Driving fast on a motorway

[Ronald Tompkins]

I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
Anyone agree with me?

Opinions?

[griffin]

very impressive it is when a car at that speed blows a back tyre.
so long as you remember that there is nothing wrong with speed. it is
stopping that is the problem at times

[Mr Pounder]

"Ronald Tompkins" <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Some very unpleasant things are happening on other groups.
Ronald Tompkins did not post this message to here.

[MCC]

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[johannes]

But the motorway is not empty all the time, the situation can change
unpredictably unless you have managed to get the motorway closed off
for your own purposes, e.g. for filming a stunt scheme.

In particular when you think the motorway is empty, that may be the
times when work is carried out, so there will be workmen and equipment
around.

At times when there are other traffic around, you will be a nuisance
to other motorists wo will have to take special actions because of your
higher than normal speed. In fact that makes it anti-social to speed.

[Mr Pounder]

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Did you understand my posting?

[MCC]

What's not to understand?
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[Alex Heney]

Nobody sensible will agree with you.

And the police and magistrates certainly won't.

If you are caught that far above the limit, it almost certainly means
disqualification (even if you have a clean licence that you have had
for more than 3 years, which is not the case with you, from your
previous post).

I'm not sure why you want everybody to think you are a stupid and
dangerous driver who should be banned, but the combination of things
you have posted most certainly gives that impression, very strongly.
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[Brian Watson]

"Ronald Tompkins" <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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You are an arrogant idiot.

Next question?

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[Nightjar]

On 15/02/2012 18:10, Ronald Tompkins wrote:

I was doing similar speeds over Christmas, except that the motorway was
called an Autobahn, the speed was 160kph and the car's radar would begin
to slow me to the speed of any slower moving traffic ahead from about
half a mile away. I was not the fastest car on the road. However, I
would not advocate that sort of speed where other drivers do not expect
cars to be coming up behind them as fast as that.

Colin Bignell

[Lieutenant Scott]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:13:57 -0000, griffin <griffin@dinner> wrote:

> On 15/02/2012 18:10, Ronald Tompkins wrote:
>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>> Anyone agree with me?
>>
>> Opinions?
>
>
> very impressive it is when a car at that speed blows a back tyre.

Then make sure you gave good tyres.

I have only blown a tyre ONCE. I was doing 90 and all it did was cause the car to lurch to one side. I compensated with the steering wheel and remained in my lane, then pulled onto the hard shoulder perfectly safely.

> so long as you remember that there is nothing wrong with speed. it is
> stopping that is the problem at times

Which is why you look ahead. Motorways are usually pretty straight.

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[Lieutenant Scott]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:23:38 -0000, johannes <jo...@sizefitt2562225652253er.com> wrote:

>
>
> Ronald Tompkins wrote:
>>
>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>> Anyone agree with me?
>>
>> Opinions?
>
> But the motorway is not empty all the time, the situation can change
> unpredictably unless you have managed to get the motorway closed off
> for your own purposes, e.g. for filming a stunt scheme.

Are you extremely shortsighted? You can usually see half to 1 mile ahead on a motorway.

> In particular when you think the motorway is empty, that may be the
> times when work is carried out, so there will be workmen and equipment
> around.

With 5 miles of cones before any sign of the workmen, who are usually on a coffeebreak anyway.

> At times when there are other traffic around, you will be a nuisance
> to other motorists wo will have to take special actions because of your
> higher than normal speed. In fact that makes it anti-social to speed.

Rubbish. I usually travel at 20mph more than the rest of the traffic. Eg I slow to 90 if the next lane is doing 70. A difference of 20mph is not much and I can remove it instantly if someone pulls in front of me at 70.

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[Lieutenant Scott]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:39:08 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Ronald Tompkins
> <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>> Anyone agree with me?
>
> Nobody sensible will agree with you.
>
> And the police and magistrates certainly won't.

I've seen you complain about speed limits before Alex.

> If you are caught that far above the limit, it almost certainly means
> disqualification (even if you have a clean licence that you have had
> for more than 3 years, which is not the case with you, from your
> previous post).

If he goes over (or is it equal to?) 100. 99 is not a ban, which is why I told my Tomtom to sound a police siren noise if I hit 98.

> I'm not sure why you want everybody to think you are a stupid and
> dangerous driver who should be banned, but the combination of things
> you have posted most certainly gives that impression, very strongly.

No it doesn't. It shows he adjusts his speed according to the conditions, which 90% of drivers seem unable to do nowadays, they just go at the speed limit and think that must be safe.

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[Lieutenant Scott]

Didn't you notice he said "an empty motorway"?

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[Nightjar]

On 16/02/2012 13:28, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:17:23 -0000, Nightjar
> <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 15/02/2012 18:10, Ronald Tompkins wrote:
>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>>> Anyone agree with me?
>>
>> I was doing similar speeds over Christmas, except that the motorway was
>> called an Autobahn, the speed was 160kph and the car's radar would begin
>> to slow me to the speed of any slower moving traffic ahead from about
>> half a mile away. I was not the fastest car on the road. However, I
>> would not advocate that sort of speed where other drivers do not expect
>> cars to be coming up behind them as fast as that.
>
> Didn't you notice he said "an empty motorway"?

At that sort of speed, the road ahead does not stay empty for long, not
even on a lightly used Autobahn.

Colin Bignell

[Lieutenant Scott]

At 100mph you can usually see far enough ahead to stop well before anything appears.

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[johannes]

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:06:57 -0000, Nightjar <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 16/02/2012 13:28, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:17:23 -0000, Nightjar
> >> <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 15/02/2012 18:10, Ronald Tompkins wrote:
> >>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
> >>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
> >>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
> >>>> Anyone agree with me?
> >>>
> >>> I was doing similar speeds over Christmas, except that the motorway was
> >>> called an Autobahn, the speed was 160kph and the car's radar would begin
> >>> to slow me to the speed of any slower moving traffic ahead from about
> >>> half a mile away. I was not the fastest car on the road. However, I
> >>> would not advocate that sort of speed where other drivers do not expect
> >>> cars to be coming up behind them as fast as that.
> >>
> >> Didn't you notice he said "an empty motorway"?
> >
> > At that sort of speed, the road ahead does not stay empty for long, not
> > even on a lightly used Autobahn.
>
> At 100mph you can usually see far enough ahead to stop well before anything appears.

Yeah 100mph is ok if the road is closed off for that purpose only. It is not OK
if used by other road users. They may not be aware of cars coming up so fast
unless it's a police car with flashing blue lights.

High speed Autobahns are completely different. Apart from there are only few
stretches left which still allow unlimited speeds, the road surfaces are
meticulously measured and maintained for smoothness.

[Lieutenant Scott]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:59:27 -0000, johannes <jo...@sizefitt2562225652253er.com> wrote:

>
>
> Lieutenant Scott wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:06:57 -0000, Nightjar <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On 16/02/2012 13:28, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:17:23 -0000, Nightjar
>> >> <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 15/02/2012 18:10, Ronald Tompkins wrote:
>> >>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>> >>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>> >>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>> >>>> Anyone agree with me?
>> >>>
>> >>> I was doing similar speeds over Christmas, except that the motorway was
>> >>> called an Autobahn, the speed was 160kph and the car's radar would begin
>> >>> to slow me to the speed of any slower moving traffic ahead from about
>> >>> half a mile away. I was not the fastest car on the road. However, I
>> >>> would not advocate that sort of speed where other drivers do not expect
>> >>> cars to be coming up behind them as fast as that.
>> >>
>> >> Didn't you notice he said "an empty motorway"?
>> >
>> > At that sort of speed, the road ahead does not stay empty for long, not
>> > even on a lightly used Autobahn.
>>
>> At 100mph you can usually see far enough ahead to stop well before anything appears.
>
> Yeah 100mph is ok if the road is closed off for that purpose only. It is not OK
> if used by other road users. They may not be aware of cars coming up so fast
> unless it's a police car with flashing blue lights.

Then you slow down before you approach them!

> High speed Autobahns are completely different. Apart from there are only few
> stretches left which still allow unlimited speeds, the road surfaces are
> meticulously measured and maintained for smoothness.

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[Nightjar]

On 16/02/2012 14:16, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:06:57 -0000, Nightjar
> <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:

...

>> At that sort of speed, the road ahead does not stay empty for long, not
>> even on a lightly used Autobahn.
>
> At 100mph you can usually see far enough ahead to stop well before
> anything appears.

Why would you stop on a high speed road, just because there is traffic
ahead? Slowing down works quite well.

Colin Bignell

[Nightjar]

On 16/02/2012 14:59, johannes wrote:
...

> High speed Autobahns are completely different. Apart from there are only few

> stretches left which still allow unlimited speeds,...

That was not my experience when driving there at Christmas. There were a
few 120kph or 130kph restrictions around large towns, but most of the
Autobahn I drove were completely unrestricted.

Colin Bignell

[Lieutenant Scott]

Egad! I obviously meant "stop driving fast".

Unless of course the something is a stationary deer or otherwise.

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[Alex Heney]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:28:33 -0000, "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:39:08 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Ronald Tompkins
>> <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>>> Anyone agree with me?
>>
>> Nobody sensible will agree with you.
>>
>> And the police and magistrates certainly won't.
>
>I've seen you complain about speed limits before Alex.

Yes, I certainly don't agree with all speed limits.

But my attitude, and my driving style have changed since the time
several years ago when we used to discuss this sort of thing.

A speed awareness course actually did make a significant difference to
my driving.

>
>> If you are caught that far above the limit, it almost certainly means
>> disqualification (even if you have a clean licence that you have had
>> for more than 3 years, which is not the case with you, from your
>> previous post).
>
>If he goes over (or is it equal to?) 100. 99 is not a ban, which is why I told my Tomtom to sound a police siren noise if I hit 98.
>

99 wouldn't be an automatic ban, but could still end up with one, and
will almost always be more than the basic fixed penalty 3 points.

In Ronald's case, from a previous post he is obviously still a
probationary driver, since he said that he has three points, and
another three would mean him having to re-sit his test.

>> I'm not sure why you want everybody to think you are a stupid and
>> dangerous driver who should be banned, but the combination of things
>> you have posted most certainly gives that impression, very strongly.
>
>No it doesn't. It shows he adjusts his speed according to the conditions, which 90% of drivers seem unable to do nowadays, they just go at the speed limit and think that must be safe.

It shows no such thing.

And I wasn't just talking about this post, as I made *quite* clear.

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[Lieutenant Scott]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:06:29 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:28:33 -0000, "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:39:08 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Ronald Tompkins
>>> <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>>>> Anyone agree with me?
>>>
>>> Nobody sensible will agree with you.
>>>
>>> And the police and magistrates certainly won't.
>>
>> I've seen you complain about speed limits before Alex.
>
> Yes, I certainly don't agree with all speed limits.
>
> But my attitude, and my driving style have changed since the time
> several years ago when we used to discuss this sort of thing.
>
> A speed awareness course actually did make a significant difference to
> my driving.

You mean they brainwashed you.

So why did you get sent on the course?

>>> If you are caught that far above the limit, it almost certainly means
>>> disqualification (even if you have a clean licence that you have had
>>> for more than 3 years, which is not the case with you, from your
>>> previous post).
>>
>> If he goes over (or is it equal to?) 100. 99 is not a ban, which is why I told my Tomtom to sound a police siren noise if I hit 98.
>
> 99 wouldn't be an automatic ban, but could still end up with one, and
> will almost always be more than the basic fixed penalty 3 points.

I've been caught for 95, and received no points and no fine! They were more concerned in issuing me with a pink slip for the 5 faults they found with the car. All it cost me was the repairs which would have to have been done sooner or later anyway for the MOT.

> In Ronald's case, from a previous post he is obviously still a
> probationary driver, since he said that he has three points, and
> another three would mean him having to re-sit his test.

Ronald is older than me and will certainly not be a probationary driver!

>>> I'm not sure why you want everybody to think you are a stupid and
>>> dangerous driver who should be banned, but the combination of things
>>> you have posted most certainly gives that impression, very strongly.
>>
>> No it doesn't. It shows he adjusts his speed according to the conditions, which 90% of drivers seem unable to do nowadays, they just go at the speed limit and think that must be safe.
>
> It shows no such thing.
>
> And I wasn't just talking about this post, as I made *quite* clear.

And what is this other post which you didn't make reference to?

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[Alex Heney]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:20:35 -0000, "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:06:29 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:28:33 -0000, "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:39:08 -0000, Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Ronald Tompkins
>>>> <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
>>>>> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
>>>>> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
>>>>> Anyone agree with me?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody sensible will agree with you.
>>>>
>>>> And the police and magistrates certainly won't.
>>>
>>> I've seen you complain about speed limits before Alex.
>>
>> Yes, I certainly don't agree with all speed limits.
>>
>> But my attitude, and my driving style have changed since the time
>> several years ago when we used to discuss this sort of thing.
>>
>> A speed awareness course actually did make a significant difference to
>> my driving.
>
>You mean they brainwashed you.
>

No, I mean the exact opposite.

>So why did you get sent on the course?
>

Why do you think?

>>>> If you are caught that far above the limit, it almost certainly means
>>>> disqualification (even if you have a clean licence that you have had
>>>> for more than 3 years, which is not the case with you, from your
>>>> previous post).
>>>
>>> If he goes over (or is it equal to?) 100. 99 is not a ban, which is why I told my Tomtom to sound a police siren noise if I hit 98.
>>
>> 99 wouldn't be an automatic ban, but could still end up with one, and
>> will almost always be more than the basic fixed penalty 3 points.
>
>I've been caught for 95, and received no points and no fine! They were more concerned in issuing me with a pink slip for the 5 faults they found with the car. All it cost me was the repairs which would have to have been done sooner or later anyway for the MOT.
>

Recently?

That would surprise me very much.

>> In Ronald's case, from a previous post he is obviously still a
>> probationary driver, since he said that he has three points, and
>> another three would mean him having to re-sit his test.
>
>Ronald is older than me and will certainly not be a probationary driver!
>

Age is irrelevant.

The fact is that he posted in another thread that he had three points,
and said that another three would mean he would have to re-sit his
test.

That is only true of a probationary driver.,

>>>> I'm not sure why you want everybody to think you are a stupid and
>>>> dangerous driver who should be banned, but the combination of things
>>>> you have posted most certainly gives that impression, very strongly.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't. It shows he adjusts his speed according to the conditions, which 90% of drivers seem unable to do nowadays, they just go at the speed limit and think that must be safe.
>>
>> It shows no such thing.
>>
>> And I wasn't just talking about this post, as I made *quite* clear.
>
>And what is this other post which you didn't make reference to?

Several others he has made recently about driving.

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> At 100mph you can usually see far enough ahead to stop well before
> anything appears.

I would have thought you could see just as far ahead at at 70mph. (Or when
stationary, for that matter.)

However if something suddenly appears in the road 100 yards ahead (for
example, a roll of carpet, as I saw once), you have an extra second, at
70mph, to do something about it.

There are some hazards that are not obvious until you're fairly near them.
Such as a police car parked on a little mound and hidden by foliage..

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[allantracy]

On Feb 15, 6:10 pm, Ronald Tompkins <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
> Anyone agree with me?
>

> Opinions?

If you really want to tank it the M6 toll road, away from the weekday
peaks, is the beans.

[Turk182]

On Feb 15, 6:10 pm, Ronald Tompkins <bod...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I drive at a ton or so on an empty 3 lane motorway when the conditions
> are good to do so. I consider this safe, but Steve Pounder considers
> this a dangerous if not a mad speed to do.
> Anyone agree with me?
>
> Opinions?

Speed is fine.

A prat who does not concentrate and plan at 30 is a little safer if he
does it at 100, as speed focuses the brain more.

Lack of skill and planning and lack of an even temper on the motorway
is the big killer. Getting away from other traffic and finding a spot
on the road where traffic is not clustered is my plan; and although I
can speed safely - I don't. That is my choice as I believe that the
police once has respect for speeding drivers who sped safely. Now
though, a politically correct attitude based on the mis-information of
the camera culture, has created a false belief that speeding drivers
are by defenition dangerous drivers - they can be, but they can also
be safer.

I am now stuck in the huddle of congested clusters of lorries and
cars, which puts me at higher risk than if I sped and ignored the law.

Every morning, I repeatedly encounter unintelligent van drivers who
drive on my bumper becuase I will not break the limit. If the police
really cared about road safety, they would pull those vans over - they
NEVER do!

Turk182