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Wilson

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Jul 5, 2009, 11:47:14 AM7/5/09
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The following has been making it around the U.S. email circuit and among
other things, it claims that in the UK, "anyone over 59 years of age cannot
receive heart repairs, stents or bypass..."

Can someone point me towards a source that will confirm or deny this. Thanks

> Actress Natasha Richardson died after falling while skiing in Canada . It took eight (8) hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada had our healthcare she might be alive today. We now have helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes. Obama wants to have our healthcare like Canada 's and England 's.
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> In England , anyone over 59 years of age cannot receive heart repairs, stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too expensive and not needed.
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> I got this today and am sending it on. If Obama's plans in other areas don't scare you, this should!
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> Looks like Obama is sure keeping his word......CHANGES. We'd better have our funerals paid up, may be needing it sooner rather than later with no doctors on our side to keep us healthy. What will this world be like in another 20 years when our kids are ready for retirement? Sad!!!
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> Everybody that is on this mailing list is either a senior citizen, is getting close or knows somebody that is. Most of you know by now that the Senate version (at least) of the "stimulus" bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle, was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement:
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> Daschle says "healthcare reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them." (Say WHAT?????)
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> If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first dollar, or very low, co-pay which they are guaranteed for the remainder of their lives......and are not subject to this new law if it passes.
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> Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level.....we have an election coming up in one year and eight months. We have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and, in the interim, we can make their lives miserable. Let's do it!!
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> If you agree, pass it on.....if you disagree, don't do anything but delete this message.


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Peter Parry

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Jul 14, 2009, 8:00:32 AM7/14/09
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:47:14 -0400, Wilson <Pyde_...@excite.com>
wrote:

>The following has been making it around the U.S. email circuit and among
>other things, it claims that in the UK, "anyone over 59 years of age cannot
>receive heart repairs, stents or bypass..."
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>Can someone point me towards a source that will confirm or deny this.

It is absolute rubbish. I've just come back from visiting an 80 year
old friend in a local NHS hospital who has just had a bypass and the
cardiac surgery ward was certainly not short of over 70's.

> Actress Natasha Richardson died after falling while skiing in Canada .
>It took eight (8) hours to drive her to a hospital.

This isn't true either. 17 minutes after the first call she declined
an ambulance and went to her room. Over 2 hours later she felt unwell
and a second ambulance was called which took her to a local hospital
(40 minutes away). Here she had a scan and 2 hours later was
transferred to Montreal, a journey of one hour. It is doubtful if a
helicopter would have made much difference to the outcome.

Wilson

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Jul 14, 2009, 9:12:31 AM7/14/09
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sometime in the recent past Peter Parry posted this:
Thanks Peter, that sounds more like what I suspected and what I remember
hearing about Natasha feeling okay at first. We're getting a lot of
resistance to a national health care program here, siting socialized
medicine (as if somehow that's a bad thing) and how we wouldn't want a
system like Canada has or how it's restricted somehow in the UK.

Many over hear are ready to fight to keep the status quo, except perhaps the
40 million or so of us without health care at all. Just nuts.

Peter Parry

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Jul 14, 2009, 4:26:29 PM7/14/09
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:12:31 -0400, Wilson <Pyde_...@excite.com>
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> We're getting a lot of
>resistance to a national health care program here, siting socialized
>medicine (as if somehow that's a bad thing) and how we wouldn't want a
>system like Canada has or how it's restricted somehow in the UK.

Any healthcare system yet devised has some sort of restrictions built
in. The UK one isn't perfect and certainly variations on it such as
those in New Zealand and Australia are worth looking at. To suggest
there are entirely arbitrary age limits for treatment is dishonest.
There are certainly age related decisions to be made - a 70 year old
is not going to get a heart transplant for example but that's because
by the time they need one they will almost certainly die during or
soon after the procedure and waste the heart. What they can't do is
buy it on the off chance it will work.

>Many over hear are ready to fight to keep the status quo, except perhaps the
>40 million or so of us without health care at all. Just nuts.

Can't imagine why anyone would want to, it isn't terribly effective is
it?

Wilson

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Jul 14, 2009, 5:18:48 PM7/14/09
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sometime in the recent past Peter Parry posted this:
No it's not, but we have a 'Cult of Capitalism' mentality that defies logic.
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