Wherefore art thou, V?
T.Bone
going to his dad's for Xmas, but surely he should have returned by
now?
I miss hearing about his exploits, what he's been up to, and seeing
him voice his opinions on whatever is being discussed here.
I trust all his well with him.
ReVulse
He does frequent other newsgroups you know.
He's made brief appearances recently in rec.arts.horror.movies and of
course alt.horror.
I'm pleased to report that he's not a happy bunny and could soon be
disappearing from usenet - hopefully for good.
#Andy#
T.Bone
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he hasn't let some of the unpleasant
people from within the Usenet community get him down.
I had advised him to ignore them, and he appeared to be doing so
before Xmas.
I'm pleased to hear he's still posting somewhere, but disappointed
that he appears to have deserted us here at UPG.
Varizo.
> On 7 Feb, 19:22, ReVulse <ReVu...@psychaoticREMOVE.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:07:06 -0800, T.Bone wrote:
> > > Still no word from Varizo. He's been absent for weeks. I know he was
> > > going to his dad's for Xmas, but surely he should have returned by
> > > now?
>
> > > I miss hearing about his exploits, what he's been up to, and seeing
> > > him voice his opinions on whatever is being discussed here.
> > > I trust all his well with him.
>
> > He does frequent other newsgroups you know.
>
> > He's made brief appearances recently in rec.arts.horror.movies and of
> > course alt.horror.
>
> > I'm pleased to report that he's not a happy bunny and could soon be
> > disappearing from usenet - hopefully for good.
>
> > #Andy#
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he hasn't let some of the unpleasant
> people from within the Usenet community get him down.
Its nothing to do with any of those scumbags, id never let any of them
get to me like that. If anything, id stick around just to piss them
off even more if they thought that they could bully me into leaving.
Its nothing to do with anything on the internet at all; its cos of how
im feeling cos of things going on in my life, im realy realy
depressd , i dont think that i love my GF amymore, shes been a hateful
cow to me when not only havent i done anything wrong, but im realy
upset cos my freind has had to leave his house, and i dont know where
he is , and he left cos of me and he thinks that i hate him and now
all the time ive got a feeling like somthing heavy in me and i cant
stop thinking about him, and insted of thiniking about my feelings ,
all that my GF can do is act all pleased cos hes not around anymore ,
and at the same time get funny with me just cos me and her father had
got close and were getting on realy well and now hes gone off
somwrhere too, [but thats not that unusual cos he dont acutaly liv
with them, but for some weird reason its caused allsorts of problems
in there family, and my GFs mother hates me now, whcih is alrite cos i
never liked her anyway, and even her brother who is a sort of freind
of mine, even he acts like hes dissapointed about somthing and dont
kno wot to say to me, and i realy dont understand any reeason for it,
there father isnt that close to his family, which is hardley my fault,
adn the only reason that i can think of is that her mother didetn like
it and she has managed to infulsence Kirsty and her brother, and
Kirsty dont get on with her dad that much so she probaly dont see why
i should either, which is fucking stupid, she dont even like the fact
that i get on with my own father so i spose that i shouldent be that
surprised that she dident like it taht i was getting on with hers too.
Im fed up with the lot of them, which is why im thinking of going to
liv with my Dad like hes been wanting me to for ages now, but realy
all i can think about is Darren, i just want to find out where he is,
because of me going off to my Dads for Christmas and not telling him
whrere id gone , when i got back , he dident talk to me, so i dident
talk to him either, adn then because of that, i went back to my Dads
again, and then Darren smashed his house up, and there was a fire in
there and the housing ppl hav boarded it up to stop him from getting
back in, [which i dont think that they r alowd to do, cos that is
illeageal evicktion im sure] but i cant find out where hes gone, and
even if i knew i wouldent go round there to see him ,but i could go to
the area and if he saw me im sure that he would talk to me cos he
would be surprised to see me, but i cant find out where hes gone and
its been weeks but i cant stop thinking about him, if im not going to
be abel to find out where he is, or see him again,then i just wish
that i could stop feeling like this, how long do feelings like this
last? its like when my Dad left , i couldent get over that, and even
tho hes back in my life now, i still get anxsiaty thinking about it, i
just want to stop feeling like this but i dont kno how to.
> I had advised him to ignore them, and he appeared to be doing so
> before Xmas.
Like i said, its nothing to do with any of the scummy trolls, i do
ignore them, but all that i can think about is how im feeling so
theres not realy anything else i want to talk about much, cos i cant
take much intrest in anything at the moment and i dont want to talk
about anything else much cos i cant be botherd , cos ive got no
intrest in it. If i go to liv w my Dad, then i wont be abel to go on
the itnernet unless he gets a computor , but it wont be anything to do
with any of the nasty ppl that are on the internet, if any of them
were going to drive me away then they would of done ages ago, but they
r not inportatnt and wouldent be abel to do that, its just that i
dotn feel like staying around in this area now that Darren has gone,
cos evrywhere that i go around here reminds me of him cos he was
always around, and i dont feel that i love my GF anymore , so i dont
see the point in staying, theres my freinds i supose but they cant do
anything to make me feel better and i wouldent lose touch with them ,
but i just wouldent be abel to see them much, i keep hopeing that i
will find out where Darren is or that i will see him somwhere or that
praps he might come to see me, and if im living at my Dads then he
wont kno where to look for me if he did come to see me. So im realy
down at the moment and dont kno wot to do to make myslef feel better.
> I'm pleased to hear he's still posting somewhere, but disappointed
> that he appears to have deserted us here at UPG.
I did come here about a month ago i think, but there was nothing to
talk about realy and ive been talking to ppl in other NGs about the
situation that im in ritht now and how i feel about it, theres no
point in me joining in with some disscussion just for the sake of it,
not when i cant consentate on it and cant get intressted in it at all.
And this isnt realy the right NG to be talkiing about how im feeling
so theres been no reason for me to come here , ive been taliking to
ppl in other NGs about Darren, [*not* alt horror tho, obvioulsy,
inspite of wot revullsiv might try to make you believe]!! but theres
nothning new to talk about and evrybody seems to think that i should
just be abel to switch off my feelings and not be upset, but i cant do
that, ive been crying a lot and its alrite for ppl to tell me not to,
but i cant help it. [I thought twice about talking about any of this
in here ,but i dident want you thinking that the vile scumbag internet
bullys might hav anything to do with it if i go to liv with my Dad and
so stop going on the internet, cos its got nothing to do with any of
those arseholes].
V.
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7 Feb, 19:22, ReVulse <ReVu...@psychaoticREMOVE.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:07:06 -0800, T.Bone wrote:
> > > > Still no word from Varizo. He's been absent for weeks. I know he was
> > > > going to his dad's for Xmas, but surely he should have returned by
> > > > now?
>
> > > > I miss hearing about his exploits, what he's been up to, and seeing
> > > > him voice his opinions on whatever is being discussed here.
> > > > I trust all his well with him.
>
> > > He does frequent other newsgroups you know.
>
> > > He's made brief appearances recently in rec.arts.horror.movies and of
> > > course alt.horror.
>
> > > I'm pleased to report that he's not a happy bunny and could soon be
> > > disappearing from usenet - hopefully for good.
>
> > > #Andy#
>
> > I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he hasn't let some of the unpleasant
> > people from within the Usenet community get him down.
>
> Its nothing to do with any of those scumbags, id never let any of them
> get to me like that. If anything, id stick around just to piss them
> off even more if they thought that they could bully me into leaving.
Well I'm pleased to hear that, at any rate. Though I'd hope that you
would stay for those of us who like you, not merely to annoy the
bullies. :-)
Okay V, before I address some of the issues you have raised, I just
want to say how happy I am to see you back here in UPG once again, but
also, how sorry I am to hear you are feeling so very low.
Firstly though, and please don't take this as criticism, I found it a
little difficult deciphering your post this afternoon.. It may be an
idea to use paragraphs more often and to take more care in how you
word your posts. As you are thinking about what you want to say, think
about how best to turn your thoughts into the written form.
If what you wish to convey is easier to read, it will make it easier
to reply to you.
I'm surprised you are still hankering after your chav friend. I
thought he would have been forgotten about by now or you would have
seen him for what he is and realised for yourself that so far he seems
to have given you nothing but grief, so would be far better avoided.
Just what is it about him that you like so much? How can you care so
much about a person who has caused you such an incredible amount of
emotional pain in the comparatively short time you have known him?
Maybe he is merely a convenient excuse for you to admit your true
feelings - or _lack_ of feelings - for your girlfriend. It sounds as
though you have been growing tired of her for a while now. Perhaps
Darren is merely the catalyst that was needed to bring this to the
forefront of your mind. She is,after all, possessive towards you and
has no right whatsoever to object to you spending time with your own
father, though why she should object to you getting on with _her_
father is something you need to discuss with her. Perhaps her
objection is more to do with something about him, than anything you
have done, and this is something you really do need to sort out with
her, rather than merely imagining what her reasons could be.
As for her dislike of Darren, I'd say she recognises how much he
means to you and feels threatened by it and is jealous. That is one
reason, but also she sees him in a different light than you and can
see what potential trouble he is, and there, I have to concede, I
believe she really does have a point.
Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
their house because of a falling out with a friend? Certainly not a
rational, balanced individual, that's for sure. You claim it is
_your_ fault that he has left. How is it your fault and why do you
come to the conclusion that it is? How do you ascertain that you are
the one to blame for his actions? How is his lack of self control down
to you? Of course it isn't your fault. You didn't _make_ him leave and
you didn't tell him to damage his house, and if the housing authority
have secured it, I should imagine it is for reasons of safety and to
keep out children who may go in there to play and could harm
themselves.
Why do you think that your girlfriend's mother now hates you? Could it
be that she can see that her daughter is upset and knows that it's
something to do with you and therefore only appears a little off with
you because of loyalty to her daughter? I shouldn't take that too
personally, I'm sure she would feel upset with anyone if she felt they
had caused her daughter to feel perturbed. Also, the feelings of
unsettlement within the family are probably causing your girlfriend's
brother to feel the discontent within the family structure, these
things have a knock-on effect that sends ripples of unease through a
family unit when one member of that family is not their usual self. It
may well be time to break with your girlfriend. Don't just hang onto a
relationship that is no longer giving you any pleasure. It can be easy
to do this through habit, or thinking that what you have become used
to is safer than going it alone for a while.
The anxiety feelings you describe are a symptom of how unhappy you are
feeling just now. You feel it is mainly because of not knowing where
your friend is, but when he was around he wasn't exactly making you
happy was he? If a relationship is making you feel that miserable then
it is time to evaluate it and let go. From all you have said in the
past about Darren, he doesn't sound like anyone who could give you any
lasting happiness and would no doubt lead you into trouble with the
police eventually if you were to spend enough time in his company.
If he had really cared about you, he would not have disappeared the
way he has, and indeed, would not have done so the first time round
without telling you what his plans were. As to where he is now, I'm
sure if he wanted you to know, he would have made sure to tell you.
I'm sorry V, I know this is not what you want to hear, but you really
are better off without him, and if you do intend to pursue the idea of
attempting to find out where he is, I think you will only be setting
yourself up for disappointment. You have said that if you find out,
you still wouldn't speak to him, but you think that he would speak to
you, but what if he didn't? That would be something else for you to be
upset about.
The feelings will pass in time, believe me, and you will no doubt
realise what a lucky escape you have had. Love is blind and what you
feel does seem to be a form of lovesick longing, but give it time and
this will diminish.
oldgoth
<lots of stuff>
For F*cks sake take this drivel to email.
martin oldgoth
Certic
"oldgoth" <d...@insanitorium.co.uk> wrote in message
news:546g1cF...@mid.individual.net...
If you light a candle, look into a mirror and say, "Varizo" five times...
Varizo.
any emails even if he wanted to, nobody can, cos neither of my email
accounts work anymore, probaly cos i hardley ever botherd w email and
never went there and then when sombody wanted to send me some emials
recentley and i wanted to send them some, i couldent get into the
yahoo one cos i couldnt remenbter the password on that one, and the
netscape one has changed and it wont let me send any emails and the
person [in another NG] who had tried to send me some, said that she
sent quite a few but i dident get any of them, so tell oldfart to shut
the fuck up, nobodys forcing him to look at anything that he dosent
want to see, im fed up with fucking internet nazis trying to control
other ppl and dicktate to them about wot they can and cant do, or who
they can talk to or who they cant!!!!!!
V.
Varizo.
Thanx, im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there, but
there might be sombody there who has needed to find sombody and knows
how to, cos it dont look like anybody in the ordinarey goth NG knows
how to, and ive asked ppl in other NGs but they just think that i can
ask at the post office cos Darren might of left a forwarding address,
but he wouldent of done that cos ofall the money that he owed on bills
like the electric and bills like that and he wouldent of wanted any of
that to follow him somwhere else.
> I'm surprised you are still hankering after your chav friend. I
> thought he would have been forgotten about by now or you would have
> seen him for what he is and realised for yourself that so far he seems
> to have given you nothing but grief, so would be far better avoided.
>
> Just what is it about him that you like so much? How can you care so
> much about a person who has caused you such an incredible amount of
> emotional pain in the comparatively short time you have known him?
I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
about him but i cant. I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
and i keep seeing ones around dressed similare to Darren , [all in
black], and i think that praps one of them is him , then i realise
that its not and i cant stand it. I think that one of the reasons that
i like him so much is cos he was so exciteing to be with, he was such
fun a lot of the time, the only reason that he made me unhappy was cos
he coudlent cope with how he felt about me and went off to stay w one
of his brothers and i was in a state not knowing where he was, and so
when he came back and told me how he felt, for one thing i was anoyd
at him just exspecting me to fall into his arms as if nothing had
happend, and i dident want to get involved in that sort of
relationship, niether of us is gay, it took a lot for him to let me
kno how he felt about me, but i couldent cope with that and i just
wanted to be close freinds but nothing more, but still realy close,
but it wasent enuff for him, and so i went off to my Dads without
telling him and stayd there for weeks, and when i came back Darren
ignord me, so i ignord him too, and i went back to my Dads again and
came baCK a week later and thats when i found that hed gone, i found
out taht hed smashed his house up some more and there had been some
sort of fire in there, so the housing ppl went there and boarded it
up to stop him from getting back in, cos he had tried to apparantley
so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
him that so that is another reason that i want to see him, cos im
sure that they would hav to let him back in to his house if he did
somthing about it leagaly.
> Maybe he is merely a convenient excuse for you to admit your true
> feelings - or _lack_ of feelings - for your girlfriend. It sounds as
> though you have been growing tired of her for a while now. Perhaps
> Darren is merely the catalyst that was needed to bring this to the
> forefront of your mind. She is,after all, possessive towards you and
> has no right whatsoever to object to you spending time with your own
> father, though why she should object to you getting on with _her_
> father is something you need to discuss with her. Perhaps her
> objection is more to do with something about him, than anything you
> have done, and this is something you really do need to sort out with
> her, rather than merely imagining what her reasons could be.
I kno wot her reasons are, she dont get on with him that much and
dident like it cos i was getting on with him realy well, and her cow
of a mother had been thinking that they wrere going to get back 2gethr
but there was no chance of that, he told me that himself, it was all
in her mind, just wot she wanted to happen, but it was never going to,
cos it was not wot he wanted, and Kirstys mother seems to think that
somhow or other i hav got in the way and that its somthing to do with
me, and its not, and so Kirsty is upset that her mother is upset , and
at the same time she thinks that i should of stayd away from her
father and not got close to him, and nobody owns anybody so neither me
or him hav done anything wrong by getting close, just cos he dont get
on w any of them and isnt close to any of them is no reason why he
cant get close to me, i cant see why Kirsty cant see that and be
reasonabal about it, and its the way that shes beeing all pleased with
herself about Darren not being around anymore, she could at least be
sorry about how upset i am feeling about it, not so triuphant, thats
wot hurts me as well.
> As for her dislike of Darren, I'd say she recognises how much he
> means to you and feels threatened by it and is jealous.
Yes i kno that shes jelous of him, but that dont make it any easier
for me to cope with , knowing that dont make me feel oh its alrite
then, it annoys me. Shes got no right to be jelous and even tho
she is, she should still think about my feelings and be sorry that im
upset.
> That is one
> reason, but also she sees him in a different light than you and can
> see what potential trouble he is, and there, I have to concede, I
> believe she really does have a point.
I dont think so, at least not any vallid one. Its just prejudiss. And
jelousy obvioiusly but shes suposed to love me so she should acsept
who i want to be freinds with, she cant even acsept my Dad. I kno wot
shes like, but that dont make it any easier to cope with.
> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
A sensitiv and emotional one. He wouldent of done that if he hadent
of been so upset about me, he had told me that when he just use to see
me around and him and his freinds use to call out stupid things to me,
and i use to try and avoid them because of it, he said that he wanted
to kno me but that he thought that i was stuck up and a bit of a snob
and that i dident want to kno him, [and i dident, i just use to think
typickal nasty chavscum trying to cause troubel and picking on anybody
whos not like them, i dident kno that it was cos he realy wanted to
get to kno me and dident kno how to, when i realised that he liked me
realy, it changed the way that i felt and its like i sort of woke up
and saw him in a new light and started to realy realy like him] but
anyway he had told me that he somtimes use to get in such a state
about wanting to kno me and thinking that i dident want to kno and
that is why he use to shout stupid things at me, but he said that
somtimes he use to smash the house up a bit cos he was so angry at
himself, it was the frusstration of it all that got to him and made
him do that, and so i kno that that is why he did a lot more damage in
that week that i went back to my Dads cos he thougtht that i was back,
and then i went back to my Dads again without even speaking to him and
so he never knew where i had gone cos we never spoke again for him to
find out, and now its driving me mad, i dont want o hav to leave it
like this.
> Certainly not a
> rational, balanced individual, that's for sure. You claim it is
> _your_ fault that he has left. How is it your fault and why do you
> come to the conclusion that it is? How do you ascertain that you are
> the one to blame for his actions? How is his lack of self control down
> to you? Of course it isn't your fault. You didn't _make_ him leave and
> you didn't tell him to damage his house, and if the housing authority
> have secured it, I should imagine it is for reasons of safety and to
> keep out children who may go in there to play and could harm
> themselves.
No, it was to keep him out, which like i said, i dont think that they
got any right to do.
> Why do you think that your girlfriend's mother now hates you? Could it
> be that she can see that her daughter is upset and knows that it's
> something to do with you and therefore only appears a little off with
> you because of loyalty to her daughter? I shouldn't take that too
> personally, I'm sure she would feel upset with anyone if she felt they
> had caused her daughter to feel perturbed. Also, the feelings of
> unsettlement within the family are probably causing your girlfriend's
> brother to feel the discontent within the family structure, these
> things have a knock-on effect that sends ripples of unease through a
> family unit when one member of that family is not their usual self. It
> may well be time to break with your girlfriend. Don't just hang onto a
> relationship that is no longer giving you any pleasure. It can be easy
> to do this through habit, or thinking that what you have become used
> to is safer than going it alone for a while.
Kirstys mother hates me cos shes another jelous bitch thats why. She
thinks that i shouldent of got so close to Kirstys father cos she
seemed to think that they were going to get back 2gether but he made
it clear to me that that was never going to happen. None of that is my
fault, but that bitch seems to think that it is.
> The anxiety feelings you describe are a symptom of how unhappy you are
> feeling just now. You feel it is mainly because of not knowing where
> your friend is, but when he was around he wasn't exactly making you
> happy was he? If a relationship is making you feel that miserable then
> it is time to evaluate it and let go. From all you have said in the
> past about Darren, he doesn't sound like anyone who could give you any
> lasting happiness and would no doubt lead you into trouble with the
> police eventually if you were to spend enough time in his company.
> If he had really cared about you, he would not have disappeared the
> way he has, and indeed, would not have done so the first time round
> without telling you what his plans were. As to where he is now, I'm
> sure if he wanted you to know, he would have made sure to tell you.
>
> I'm sorry V, I know this is not what you want to hear, but you really
> are better off without him, and if you do intend to pursue the idea of
> attempting to find out where he is, I think you will only be setting
> yourself up for disappointment. You have said that if you find out,
> you still wouldn't speak to him, but you think that he would speak to
> you, but what if he didn't? That would be something else for you to be
> upset about.
>
> The feelings will pass in time, believe me, and you will no doubt
> realise what a lucky escape you have had. Love is blind and what you
> feel does seem to be a form of lovesick longing, but give it time and
> this will diminish.
But i dont want it to tho, i want him back in my life, and i want to
find out where he is, atleast i can go there and im sure to see him
somerhe around if i went there often enuff and im sure that he would
talk to me, i kno how much he thought about me, i saw how he felt,
when you see deep into sombodys eyes when you are both standing close
facing each other, theres no misstaking it, you just kno, i could see
how much he liked me, and i dident realise how much i liked him,
until it was too late, but i keep telling myself that its not too
late, ive got to find a way of finding out where he is , and then
going there and hoeping that i will see him. Im sure that he wouldent
of gone that far away, all of his freinds and his brothers lived not
that far away, none of them were in the actual area close by, but they
wernt that far away, but i hav gone into the town quite alot thinking
that i might see him or even some of his friends but i havent seen any
of them, he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
here. For one thing im worried about how hes copeing or wot hes
doing , he could be getting himself into allsorts of troubel, if me
and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
me, i just want him back.
V.
Bob Terwilliger
> Like i said, its nothing to do with any of the scummy trolls, i do
> ignore them, but all that i can think about is how im feeling so
> theres not realy anything else i want to talk about much, cos i cant
> take much intrest in anything at the moment and i dont want to talk
> about anything else much cos i cant be botherd , cos ive got no
> intrest in it. If i go to liv w my Dad, then i wont be abel to go on
> the itnernet unless he gets a computor , but it wont be anything to do
> with any of the nasty ppl that are on the internet, if any of them
> were going to drive me away then they would of done ages ago, but they
> r not inportatnt and wouldent be abel to do that, its just that i
> dotn feel like staying around in this area now that Darren has gone,
> cos evrywhere that i go around here reminds me of him cos he was
> always around, and i dont feel that i love my GF anymore , so i dont
> see the point in staying, theres my freinds i supose but they cant do
> anything to make me feel better and i wouldent lose touch with them ,
> but i just wouldent be abel to see them much, i keep hopeing that i
> will find out where Darren is or that i will see him somwhere or that
> praps he might come to see me, and if im living at my Dads then he
> wont kno where to look for me if he did come to see me. So im realy
> down at the moment and dont kno wot to do to make myslef feel better.
> I did come here about a month ago i think, but there was nothing to
> talk about realy and ive been talking to ppl in other NGs about the
> situation that im in ritht now and how i feel about it, theres no
> point in me joining in with some disscussion just for the sake of it,
> not when i cant consentate on it and cant get intressted in it at all.
> And this isnt realy the right NG to be talkiing about how im feeling
> so theres been no reason for me to come here , ive been taliking to
> ppl in other NGs about Darren, [*not* alt horror tho, obvioulsy,
> inspite of wot revullsiv might try to make you believe]!! but theres
> nothning new to talk about and evrybody seems to think that i should
> just be abel to switch off my feelings and not be upset, but i cant do
> that, ive been crying a lot and its alrite for ppl to tell me not to,
> but i cant help it. [I thought twice about talking about any of this
> in here ,but i dident want you thinking that the vile scumbag internet
> bullys might hav anything to do with it if i go to liv with my Dad and
> so stop going on the internet, cos its got nothing to do with any of
> those arseholes].
> im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there, but
> there might be sombody there who has needed to find sombody and knows
> how to, cos it dont look like anybody in the ordinarey goth NG knows
> how to, and ive asked ppl in other NGs but they just think that i can
> ask at the post office cos Darren might of left a forwarding address,
> but he wouldent of done that cos ofall the money that he owed on bills
> like the electric and bills like that and he wouldent of wanted any of
> that to follow him somwhere else.
> I kno wot her reasons are, she dont get on with him that much and
> dident like it cos i was getting on with him realy well, and her cow
> of a mother had been thinking that they wrere going to get back 2gethr
> but there was no chance of that, he told me that himself, it was all
> in her mind, just wot she wanted to happen, but it was never going to,
> cos it was not wot he wanted, and Kirstys mother seems to think that
> somhow or other i hav got in the way and that its somthing to do with
> me, and its not, and so Kirsty is upset that her mother is upset , and
> at the same time she thinks that i should of stayd away from her
> father and not got close to him, and nobody owns anybody so neither me
> or him hav done anything wrong by getting close, just cos he dont get
> on w any of them and isnt close to any of them is no reason why he
> cant get close to me, i cant see why Kirsty cant see that and be
> reasonabal about it, and its the way that shes beeing all pleased with
> herself about Darren not being around anymore, she could at least be
> sorry about how upset i am feeling about it, not so triuphant, thats
> wot hurts me as well.
> Yes i kno that shes jelous of him, but that dont make it any easier
> for me to cope with , knowing that dont make me feel oh its alrite
> then, it annoys me. Shes got no right to be jelous and even tho
> she is, she should still think about my feelings and be sorry that im
> upset. Its just prejudiss. And jelousy obvioiusly but shes suposed to
> love me so she should acsept who i want to be freinds with, she cant
> even acsept my Dad. I kno wot shes like, but that dont make it any
> easier to cope with.
> He wouldent of done that if he hadent
> of been so upset about me, he had told me that when he just use to see
> me around and him and his freinds use to call out stupid things to me,
> and i use to try and avoid them because of it, he said that he wanted
> to kno me but that he thought that i was stuck up and a bit of a snob
> and that i dident want to kno him, [and i dident, i just use to think
> typickal nasty chavscum trying to cause troubel and picking on anybody
> whos not like them, i dident kno that it was cos he realy wanted to
> get to kno me and dident kno how to, when i realised that he liked me
> realy, it changed the way that i felt and its like i sort of woke up
> and saw him in a new light and started to realy realy like him] but
> anyway he had told me that he somtimes use to get in such a state
> about wanting to kno me and thinking that i dident want to kno and
> that is why he use to shout stupid things at me, but he said that
> somtimes he use to smash the house up a bit cos he was so angry at
> himself, it was the frusstration of it all that got to him and made
> him do that, and so i kno that that is why he did a lot more damage in
> that week that i went back to my Dads cos he thougtht that i was back,
> and then i went back to my Dads again without even speaking to him and
> so he never knew where i had gone cos we never spoke again for him to
> find out, and now its driving me mad, i dont want o hav to leave it
> like this.
> Kirstys mother hates me cos shes another jelous bitch thats why. She
> thinks that i shouldent of got so close to Kirstys father cos she
> seemed to think that they were going to get back 2gether but he made
> it clear to me that that was never going to happen. None of that is my
> fault, but that bitch seems to think that it is.
> i want him back in my life, and i want to
> find out where he is, atleast i can go there and im sure to see him
> somerhe around if i went there often enuff and im sure that he would
> talk to me, i kno how much he thought about me, i saw how he felt,
> when you see deep into sombodys eyes when you are both standing close
> facing each other, theres no misstaking it, you just kno, i could see
> how much he liked me, and i dident realise how much i liked him,
> until it was too late, but i keep telling myself that its not too
> late, ive got to find a way of finding out where he is , and then
> going there and hoeping that i will see him. Im sure that he wouldent
> of gone that far away, all of his freinds and his brothers lived not
> that far away, none of them were in the actual area close by, but they
> wernt that far away, but i hav gone into the town quite alot thinking
> that i might see him or even some of his friends but i havent seen any
> of them, he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
> alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
> here. For one thing im worried about how hes copeing or wot hes
> doing , he could be getting himself into allsorts of troubel, if me
> and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> me, i just want him back.
The best possible thing you can do is to PERSONALLY search high and low in
the areas where chavs congregate, spiraling out from the spot where you last
saw the one you love. Even if you don't find the one you're looking for now,
maybe you'll find one who makes you feel the same way, all squirmy inside.
Also, just admit that you're gay. It's plain for all to see. Once you admit
it, you'll get along ever so much better with your biker and your da.
Bob
Certic
"Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1172284982.2...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Tell the miserabal cunt to fuck off !!!!!! TBone couldent send me
> any emails even if he wanted to, nobody can, cos neither of my email
> accounts work anymore, probaly cos i hardley ever botherd w email and
> never went there and then when sombody wanted to send me some emials
> recentley and i wanted to send them some, i couldent get into the
> yahoo one cos i couldnt remenbter the password on that one, and the
> netscape one has changed and it wont let me send any emails and the
> person [in another NG] who had tried to send me some, said that she
> sent quite a few but i dident get any of them, so tell oldfart to shut
> the fuck up, nobodys forcing him to look at anything that he dosent
> want to see, im fed up with fucking internet nazis trying to control
> other ppl and dicktate to them about wot they can and cant do, or who
> they can talk to or who they cant!!!!!!
> V.
V. for Vicky?
whisky-dave
> Thanx, im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there,
Is there much point then as some prefer to only post to the groups they
visit,
and finding this sort of info about someone is probably a little different
depending on which country they are in.
>but
> there might be sombody there who has needed to find sombody and knows
> how to,
NGs are good for that but only if the person is a regular or regulars know
them.
>cos it dont look like anybody in the ordinarey goth NG knows
> how to, and ive asked ppl in other NGs but they just think that i can
> ask at the post office cos Darren might of left a forwarding address,
> but he wouldent of done that cos ofall the money that he owed on bills
> like the electric and bills like that and he wouldent of wanted any of
> that to follow him somwhere else.
That could tell you something then, there's no way he wants to be found
by any normal/legal procedure.
> I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
> about him but i cant.
Looks like you're going to have to, why not just remember the 'good times
and move on.
I had to do that when they stopped importing Night Train Express from the
USA
gutted I was, took me weeks to recover.
>I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
No, you like that particular one.
> relationship, niether of us is gay, it took a lot for him to let me
> kno how he felt about me,
Perhaps he's worried about turning gay.
> i found
> out taht hed smashed his house up some more and there had been some
> sort of fire in there, so the housing ppl went there and boarded it
> up to stop him from getting back in,
And others of course.
>cos he had tried to apparantley
> so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
They can as they have to make the property secure.
> i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
> him that .
But if he;s left himself then that is not eviction,
and he's don criminal damage, perhaps that's why he's well gone.
> so that is another reason that i want to see him, cos im
> sure that they would hav to let him back in to his house if he did
> somthing about it leagaly.
Like pay any fine or turn up for court.
>
>> Maybe he is merely a convenient excuse for you to admit your true
>> feelings - or _lack_ of feelings - for your girlfriend. It sounds as
>> though you have been growing tired of her for a while now. Perhaps
>> Darren is merely the catalyst that was needed to bring this to the
>> forefront of your mind. She is,after all, possessive towards you and
>> has no right whatsoever to object to you spending time with your own
>> father, though why she should object to you getting on with _her_
>> father is something you need to discuss with her. Perhaps her
>> objection is more to do with something about him, than anything you
>> have done, and this is something you really do need to sort out with
>> her, rather than merely imagining what her reasons could be.
>
> reasonabal about it, and its the way that shes beeing all pleased with
> herself about Darren not being around anymore, she could at least be
> sorry about how upset i am feeling about it, not so triuphant, thats
> wot hurts me as well.
Seems like jealously
>> As for her dislike of Darren, I'd say she recognises how much he
>> means to you and feels threatened by it and is jealous.
>
> Yes i kno that shes jelous of him, but that dont make it any easier
> for me to cope with , knowing that dont make me feel oh its alrite
> then, it annoys me.
And who should care about that ?
> Shes got no right to be jelous
yes she has.
>and even tho
> she is, she should still think about my feelings and be sorry that im
> upset.
But forgetting about him would make the upset disappear.
She could try taking yuor mind of him,. suggest she cooks you a few nice
meals
for you or something. ;)
>
>> That is one
>> reason, but also she sees him in a different light than you and can
>> see what potential trouble he is, and there, I have to concede, I
>> believe she really does have a point.
>
> I dont think so, at least not any vallid one. Its just prejudiss.
he's caused crimuinal damged and legged it and has varouis other run ins
with the law,
he might not be a master criminal but he's not exactly good for anyone
including himself at present.
>And
> jelousy obvioiusly but shes suposed to love me,
perhaps that's the problem, why should she bother loving someone
that was a criminal as a close very close freind.
> so she should acsept
> who i want to be freinds with, she cant even acsept my Dad. I kno wot
> shes like, but that dont make it any easier to cope with.
She doesn't have to accept anything in reality.
For the same reason you can';t accept darren doesn't want to be found.
>> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
>> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
>
> A sensitiv and emotional one.
An unstable one.
> He wouldent of done that if he hadent
> of been so upset about me,
Sound like an excuse, I suppose all the other things he's done bot before
and after
meeting you are for the same reason.
>but
> anyway he had told me that he somtimes use to get in such a state
> about wanting to kno me and thinking that i dident want to kno and
> that is why he use to shout stupid things at me, but he said that
> somtimes he use to smash the house up a bit cos he was so angry at
> himself, it was the frusstration of it all that got to him and made
> him do that, and so i kno that that is why he did a lot more damage in
> that week that i went back to my Dads cos he thougtht that i was back,
> and then i went back to my Dads again without even speaking to him and
> so he never knew where i had gone cos we never spoke again for him to
> find out, and now its driving me mad, i dont want o hav to leave it
> like this.
all sounds pretty fucked up to me.
>> Certainly not a
>> rational, balanced individual, that's for sure. You claim it is
>> _your_ fault that he has left. How is it your fault and why do you
>> come to the conclusion that it is? How do you ascertain that you are
>> the one to blame for his actions? How is his lack of self control down
>> to you? Of course it isn't your fault. You didn't _make_ him leave and
>> you didn't tell him to damage his house, and if the housing authority
>> have secured it, I should imagine it is for reasons of safety and to
>> keep out children who may go in there to play and could harm
>> themselves.
>
> No, it was to keep him out, which like i said, i dont think that they
> got any right to do.
If he's left they have.
>
> But i dont want it to tho, i want him back in my life, and i want to
> find out where he is, atleast i can go there and im sure to see him
> somerhe around if i went there often enuff and im sure that he would
> talk to me, i kno how much he thought about me, i saw how he felt,
> when you see deep into sombodys eyes when you are both standing close
> facing each other, theres no misstaking it, you just kno, i could see
> how much he liked me, and i dident realise how much i liked him,
> until it was too late, but i keep telling myself that its not too
> late, ive got to find a way of finding out where he is , and then
> going there and hoeping that i will see him.
Perhaps there's a visiting hour at his institution.
>Im sure that he wouldent
> of gone that far away, all of his freinds and his brothers lived not
> that far away, none of them were in the actual area close by, but they
> wernt that far away, but i hav gone into the town quite alot thinking
> that i might see him or even some of his friends but i havent seen any
> of them, he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
> alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
> here.
I guess thwat was because of your 'relationship with him too was it ?
I think not.
> For one thing im worried about how hes copeing or wot hes
> doing , he could be getting himself into allsorts of troubel,
Like that would be a first.
> if me
> and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> me, i just want him back.
Well perhaps, but finding someone that doesn't want to be found isn't easy.
I had a friend who I had to say to everyone he knew that he was
staying with his mum. But in reality he had a 10 week prison sentence.
if the council are looking for him and the police and they can't find him
and/or probably wouldn't; give his location to you if they knew it
then there's not much you can do, an ad in the local paper
Varizo.
> V. for Vicky?
Whos Vicky?
V.
Varizo.
Stop sniffing round me *bob*!! Its always the same old trolls
sniffing round evry time that i talk about anything. You must be realy
raaly intressted in me. [And if you think that your annoying me by
putting in other NGs then hard luck, i dont giv a fuck, but you forgot
rec arts horror movies and alt romance, i go there too, so i'll put
them in for you, and you must of misstkakenly left out alt gothic so
ive put that back too]. But anyway just incase you were actualy
being serious in wot you said, the last place that i saw Darren was in
our area, and now he dont liv around here anymore , whcih is the
problem, im here anyway cos i still liv here but he dont, that is wot
ive been saying. If i knew wot area he was living in now and it wasent
too far away, then i would go there but i dont kno where he is, that
is the whole point of wot ive been saying.
> Also, just admit that you're gay. It's plain for all to see. Once you admit
> it, you'll get along ever so much better with your biker and your da.
Im not gay , if i was then id of been involved in that sort of
relationship, but because im not, i dident want that, and hes not gay
either thats why he found it so difficult to cope with how he felt
about me. And for your infomation, i realy realy hate biker types,
[if your talking about repullsiv old hells angels types, which you
probaly are] and i get on perfectley alrite w my Dad as it is thank
you v much, and i will say it again im not gay inspite of wot you or
anybody else thinks, but im sure that you and a few others wishes that
i was, cos then you could think that your in with a chance but your
not, so sorry about that but i dont even like gay blokes.
V.
Wereo_SUPREME
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Hay it's the mighty Verizo. Welcome aboard to my newsgroup, or
whatever's LEFT of it.
I am the only one who matters on the Internet.
whisky-dave
I think he's referring either to Queen Victoria and he is not amused
or more likely Vicky Pollard or Little Britain yeah, but no but yeah but...
T.Bone
> Tell the miserabal cunt to fuck off !!!!!! TBone couldent send me
> any emails even if he wanted to, nobody can, cos neither of my email
> accounts work anymore, probaly cos i hardley ever botherd w email and
A problem, it is sure, if one has an online account but does not log
in to it on a regular basis. I cannot locate my account at present,
but this may be merely a temporary glitch.
SNIP
> > "oldgoth" <d...@insanitorium.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:546g1cF...@mid.individual.net...> T.Bone wrote:
>
> > > <lots of stuff>
>
> > > For F*cks sake take this drivel to email.
I would much prefer to converse with V in private, rather than via the
prying eyes of the Usenet medium, but alas, it cannot be so. Therefore
I have no option but to converse with him via this forum. I suggest
that those who do not wish to view our discourse, should exercise
their right to use their kill filter either on our names or for the
whole thread. That way, everyone is catered for.
I do not, in any case, intend to allow my conversation with V to reach
anything near the proportions of a Hester/WD marathon! ;)
T.Bone
> I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
> about him but i cant. I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
I'm sorry to say it V, but I just don't like them. I've yet to
encounter even one with any redeeming quality. Even the passably good
looking ones are tainted by their generally obnoxious behaviour and
contemptuous attitude towards anyone but their own kind.
> and i keep seeing ones around dressed similare to Darren , [all in
> black],
He dresses all in black? Now, are you sure he is actually a chav, and
not a Goth? ;-)
> i went off to my Dads without
> telling him and stayd there for weeks, and when i came back Darren
> ignord me, so i ignord him too, and i went back to my Dads again and
> came baCK a week later and thats when i found that hed gone, i found
> out taht hed smashed his house up some more
Totally irresponsible behaviour, and thinking that you didn't want to
know him is no excuse. You have been extremely upset emotionally over
him. Have you behaved in such an appalling manner because of it? Have
you trashed your place of abode as a result of how you are feeling
over him?
> and there had been some
> sort of fire in there, so the housing ppl went there and boarded it
> up to stop him from getting back in, cos he had tried to apparantley
> so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
> i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
> him that so that is another reason that i want to see him, cos im
> sure that they would hav to let him back in to his house if he did
> somthing about it leagaly.
I'm not clear on what the legal position is but I would have thought
that as the housing association/council, whoever it is who owns the
house he was occupying, had been attempting to evict him for some
time, (I recall you said as much) then the latest incident would be an
ample opportunity for them to do so. Didn't you say that he wasn't
even a tenant and had been left behind when the rest of his family
moved out? If that is the case and he was occupying what was intended
as a family home, then rightly or wrongly, the policy of most councils
or local housing authorities is that they rehouse a single person in
those circumstances in a smaller home more suitable for their needs.
>> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
>> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
>
> A sensitiv and emotional one.
Again, I'm sorry, V, but I think you're seeing him through rose tinted
lenses.
You've described him as a "typical chav", and from his behaviour, he
does indeed, sound like one. Chavs aren't known for being "sensitive
and emotional". They are, however, known for being antisocial and
surly, and as evidenced by the traits he has exhibited, I'd say he
quite definitely _is_ a typical chav!. In other words, someone best
avoided at all costs!
> he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
> alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
> here.
Again, typical chav behaviour, and you want to associate with someone
who behaves as he does? He is a walking disaster area, and yet you are
desperate to have this person back in your life?
> For one thing im worried about how hes copeing or wot hes
> doing , he could be getting himself into allsorts of troubel, if me
> and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> me, i just want him back.
You are letting your longing for him cloud your judgement. You are not
responsible for his actions. You cannot change him. He is how he is.
If he changes for the better, then it has to be his choice. You cannot
influence him in this way. Again, you are setting yourself up for
disappointment if you think you can change him. Many people make that
mistake and there are many failed relationships as a result.
Please believe me when I say that you _will_ get over him, and it will
be all the better for you when you do.
Please don't think I am being unsympathetic V, I do know what it's
like to have an unfulfilled longing for someone. I only hope that the
feelings will pass sooner rather than later in your case.
T.Bone
> Bob Terwilliger says
>
> > Varizo wrote about the chav he wants in the WORST way:
> > > and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> > > him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> > > me, i just want him back.
Even though he would most likely lead you into trouble. Think ASBO. Do
you really want one of those?
>
> > The best possible thing you can do is to PERSONALLY search high and low in
> > the areas where chavs congregate, spiraling out from the spot where you last
> > saw the one you love. Even if you don't find the one you're looking for now,
> > maybe you'll find one who makes you feel the same way, all squirmy inside.
They have that effect on me. Only the squirmy feeling is one of
distate and unease.
SNIP
> But anyway just incase you were actualy
> being serious in wot you said, the last place that i saw Darren was in
> our area, and now he dont liv around here anymore , whcih is the
> problem, im here anyway cos i still liv here but he dont, that is wot
> ive been saying. If i knew wot area he was living in now and it wasent
> too far away, then i would go there but i dont kno where he is, that
> is the whole point of wot ive been saying.
Just remember, V, if you do locate him, be sure to use some anti chav!
LOL
http://got-w00t.co.uk/forum_files/chav.gif
This may amuse you.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
Bonestructure
records database that you can look into to trace utility bills to locate
someone. You have to pay for the report I believe, but you know, if it's
worth it to you, probably not all that much.
--
The time to ask "Cat got your tongue?" isn't when someone is silent; it's
when he's screaming incoherently with trails of blood dribbling down his
chin.
Varizo.
> Hay it's the mighty Verizo. Welcome aboard to my newsgroup, or
> whatever's LEFT of it.
Well thanx, but who are you? Ive never heard of you befor, and wot NG
r u in? Im in alt romance at the moment and im going to the goth NG in
a minitte, ive never seen you in either of them.
> I am the only one who matters on the Internet.
Why? Wot hav u done?
V.
Shiflet
> Well thanx, but who are you? Ive never heard of you befor, and wot NG
> r u in? Im in alt romance at the moment and im going to the goth NG in
> a minitte, ive never seen you in either of them.
He's in alt.horror, though he posts to a lot of groups.
>> I am the only one who matters on the Internet.
>
> Why? Wot hav u done?
He recorded some concert off the radio from 20 fucking years ago and thinks
it's a big deal, even though other people RECORDED THE SAME FUCKING THING
and unlike Wereo, they recorded the WHOLE SHOW and not just part of it.
> V.
>
Varizo.
> On 27 Feb, 03:08, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> > > > him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> > > > me, i just want him back.
>
> Even though he would most likely lead you into trouble. Think ASBO. Do
> you really want one of those?
Well like ive said befor, you can get one of them for nothing anyway.
> > > The best possible thing you can do is to PERSONALLY search high and low in
> > > the areas where chavs congregate, spiraling out from the spot where you last
> > > saw the one you love. Even if you don't find the one you're looking for now,
> > > maybe you'll find one who makes you feel the same way, all squirmy inside.
>
> They have that effect on me. Only the squirmy feeling is one of
> distate and unease.
Thats probaly cos you dont kno any. i use to feel like that until i
got to kno Darren.
> Just remember, V, if you do locate him, be sure to use some anti chav!
> LOL
>
> http://got-w00t.co.uk/forum_files/chav.gif
And like i said the 1st time that you posted that, if anybody
seriously thinks that that bloke in the after picture looks better
than the one in the befor picture, then theyd hav to be mad.
> This may amuse you.http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
No more than it did the 1st time round, tho some of it is funny
spesialy the way that it describes some of the scummy girls, thats
realy ackuratte that is.
V.
Varizo.
> "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1172893625.8...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Well thanx, but who are you? Ive never heard of you befor, and wot NG
> > r u in? Im in alt romance at the moment and im going to the goth NG in
> > a minitte, ive never seen you in either of them.
>
> He's in alt.horror, though he posts to a lot of groups.
Oh right, ive never seen him there befor i dont think, but he said
wellcome to his NG.
V.
Varizo.
I wouldent of got the bit about Queen Vcitoria and ive never seen any
of Little Britain ,tho ive heard of it but i dont kno who any of the
ppl are whos in it. I dont hav a tele so dont see much of wots on it.
V.
Varizo.
> > Thanx, im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there,
>
> Is there much point then as some prefer to only post to the groups they
> visit,
Well i dont hav time to go there myself but i see that a lot gets
Xposted from there, from ppl like Jennie who are alrite and would giv
a sensibal answer if they knew anything helpful to say.
> >cos it dont look like anybody in the ordinarey goth NG knows
> > how to, and ive asked ppl in other NGs but they just think that i can
> > ask at the post office cos Darren might of left a forwarding address,
> > but he wouldent of done that cos ofall the money that he owed on bills
> > like the electric and bills like that and he wouldent of wanted any of
> > that to follow him somwhere else.
>
> That could tell you something then, there's no way he wants to be found
> by any normal/legal procedure.
I kno, which is why i need to find out wot area hes in now so that if
its not too far i can go there and just walk around in the area, im
sure that he would talk to me if he saw me cos he would be surprised
and woudlent exspect to see me there.
> > I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
> > about him but i cant.
>
> Looks like you're going to have to, why not just remember the 'good times
> and move on.
> I had to do that when they stopped importing Night Train Express from the
> USA
> gutted I was, took me weeks to recover.
Wots that? Its not a drink is it? I actualy got a bottle of whisky the
other nite and i havent had any for a long time, but its one that i
havent had befor called Prince Charlie, [i think, i havent brought it
w me so i havent got the bottle here to make sure, but i think that
thats wot its called, its not v nice]. The problem wi likeing a
person tho is that you cant make yourself stop, even if you try to.
> >I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
>
> No, you like that particular one.
I never use to like how they dress tho, but i do now. Anyway some of
his freinds were nice as well, but not all of them, and most of the
girls were horribal, but wot i ment was how they look, i never use to
like that look at all, but i do now.
> > relationship, niether of us is gay, it took a lot for him to let me
> > kno how he felt about me,
>
> Perhaps he's worried about turning gay.
He dosent like gay ppl at all , whcih is why he found it so difficult
feeling that way about me, he was asking me if im gay realy even tho
he knew that im not [and i dont even like gay blokes anyway] and i
told him that im not and he made it obvious that he liked me in that
way, even tho niether of us is gay, but i dident want that, i just
like being realy close to my freinds and i wanted to be realy close to
him but not in that way, i never got the chance to realy talk to him
about anything cos it was coming up to Christmas and i went to my Dads
and stayd there for weeks, but that was only to get back at Darren for
the fact that he went off for weeks that time without telling me where
hed gone and i was in a state not knowing wot had happend and thinking
that the housing ppl had moved him somwhere else adn they hadent, he
had just gone off to one of his brothers cos he needed to sort his
head out he said, and he needed to be away from me to do that, and
when he came back he jsut thougth that id fall into his arms or
somthing, and i dident cos i was so annoyd at him for just going off
like that.
> >cos he had tried to apparantley
> > so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
>
> They can as they have to make the property secure.
But he would of put boards on the windows like he did with the others
that got broken befor, they deffintley boarded the house up to keep
him out cos they saw it as a opportunitty to get rid of him cos they
been trying to get him out since his mother fucked off and his
brothers had moved on into diffrent places and the housing ppl wanted
him out cos they said that the house was wanted for a family to move
into, they exspected him to just move out of his home just cos he
was the only one left there, and he dident see why he should do that
cos its his home and so he refused to leave, they were suposed to be
finding him somwhere suitabal, but he wasent going to just let them
put him into one room somwhere, whcih is wot they would of done if
they had got there way, and i dont think its right that they just
exspect sombody to giv up there home if they are just one person
living there and its got a few bedrooms, theres realy realy rich ppl
that liv in houses with about 10 bedrooms and nobody says that they
should move out to let some family hav the house, Darren only had 5
bedrooms in his house and one of them is v small, but just cos he was
living in sosial housing [and cos he wasent the tenant himself], they
exspected him to just move out, they think that they can just move ppl
about like in a game of chess or somthing, but its ppls lives that
they are mucking up and messing around with.
> > i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
> > him that .
>
> But if he;s left himself then that is not eviction,
> and he's don criminal damage, perhaps that's why he's well gone.
He dident leave tho, he had only gone off again, probaly to his
brothers, he came back, but there was a fire and he couldent stay
there that night, but he was hanging around the house wanting to get
back in, but the housing ppl went there the next day and boarded it up
to keep him out, i found all this out by asking about it at the time,
but nobody knows where hes gone, and they are glad that hes gone cos
of all the bad feeling towards him from some of the scummy ppl w kids
in the area, tehy were always moaning about noise. [like they never
make any]!!
> > and its the way that shes beeing all pleased with
> > herself about Darren not being around anymore, she could at least be
> > sorry about how upset i am feeling about it, not so triuphant, thats
> > wot hurts me as well.
>
> Seems like jealously
It is, i dont like it, and its the fact that she dont seem to care
about my feelings at all.
> >> As for her dislike of Darren, I'd say she recognises how much he
> >> means to you and feels threatened by it and is jealous.
>
> > Yes i kno that shes jelous of him, but that dont make it any easier
> > for me to cope with , knowing that dont make me feel oh its alrite
> > then, it annoys me.
>
> And who should care about that ?
She should. Shes suposed to love me, she shouldent act all pleased
about somthing that i feel devasstated about.
> > Shes got no right to be jelous
>
> yes she has.
Why has she? Im alowd to hav friends. Shes even jelous of my Dad. [And
went mental cos of me and *her* Dad getting on so well, and so did her
bitch of a mother, none of that was my fault, i dont understand wot
there problem is, he wasent going to get back w Kirstys mother, but
its like they think that he was and that somhow ive managed to stop if
from happning but its nothing to do with me].
> >and even tho
> > she is, she should still think about my feelings and be sorry that im
> > upset.
>
> But forgetting about him would make the upset disappear.
> She could try taking yuor mind of him,. suggest she cooks you a few nice
> meals
> for you or something. ;)
She hates cooking so she wouldent do that, anyway even if she did
somthing like that, it wouldnet take my mind off, i think about him
all the time, i dont want to, i wish that i dident,. but i cant stop.
> he's caused crimuinal damged and legged it and has varouis other run ins
> with the law,
> he might not be a master criminal but he's not exactly good for anyone
> including himself at present.
I kno wot hes like , hes done allsorts of stupid things, [like going
round smashing car windows cos he hates them being parked evrywehre]
but all that is part of wot makes him who he is, and i cant help it
but i like all that about him, i just worry that he,ll get into
troubel if hes caught doing that sort of thing, hes already in troubel
as it is for other stupid things that hes done, but all of that is
some of wot is so exciting about him, and hes such fun to be with, hes
hilarious and ever so witty and i loved being with him, how i felt
just hanging around with him , was so special, it just felt *right*
being with him, i dont realy kno how to explain it, i felt as tho we
belonged 2gether, i kno that i use to feel that about my GF but i
dont kno how i feel about her anymore, shes realy upset me adn i cant
feel the same now.
> >And
> > jelousy obvioiusly but shes suposed to love me,
>
> perhaps that's the problem, why should she bother loving someone
> that was a criminal as a close very close freind.
Dyou mean why should she love sombody who has got a criminal as a
close freind? Hes not realy a criminal, hes just done stupid things,
and anyway, if she realy loved me then who im freinds with shoudlent
make any diffrence to her loving me, if you love some one, then you
dont just stop loving them just cos they might be freinds with sombody
who you dont liek . Dont forget that shes tried to blackmail me into
not seeing my Dad and i had to finish with her one time becuase of it,
thats when i drifted into going out with Meg, whos a goth, but me and
K soon got back 2gether cos i felt that it was her thqt i loved, but
praps i would of been better off staying w Meg, but she was a bit
manipulativ as well, im not asking , or exspecting, Kirsty to like
Darren, but she should atleast acsept the fact that i realy realy like
him , and me being freinds with him is not going to alter the fact
that shes my GF, the only person who could change that is her, becuase
of her atittuede taht i dont feel that i can cope with anymore.
> > so she should acsept
> > who i want to be freinds with, she cant even acsept my Dad. I kno wot
> > shes like, but that dont make it any easier to cope with.
>
> She doesn't have to accept anything in reality.
> For the same reason you can';t accept darren doesn't want to be found.
But its not like hes gone off and thats that, he hasent had a choice,
tehy hav made it inpossibal for him to get back into his house, and he
thinks that i hate him so hes not going to bother trying to contact me
cos he will be thinking that theres no point, i kno that hes v
insecurre realy ,and thats alot to do wth why he acts the way he does,
i can understand that, but ive never had a proper chance to show
him.
> >> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
> >> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
>
> > A sensitiv and emotional one.
>
> An unstable one.
I kno that hes probaly that as well, but its understandabal cos of the
background that hes had to deal with, a lot of ppl [including me] go
thru awful times where your heads all over the place, cos of wot youve
had to put up with.
> > He wouldent of done that if he hadent
> > of been so upset about me,
>
> Sound like an excuse, I suppose all the other things he's done bot before
> and after
> meeting you are for the same reason.
No but anything new that causes more stress is not going to help him.
And he dident kno how to cope with how he felt about me, i kno that it
was insecuritty that made him shout stupid things to me in the street
calling me things and wot i thought was trying to intimidate me, its
cos he wanted to kno me, but he thought that i dident want to kno him,
and i dident, but then i sort of got the feeling that he liked me, and
it changed how i felt a bit ,even tho i wasent realy aware of it much
myself at the time, and he must of picked up on that , like
telepathickley, cos i belevie in that sort of thing, like when theres
a connection between 2 ppl, [like if your soulmates or somthing] so
he senced that my atittude had softenned abit towards him and so thats
why he got the courage to talk to me properley, which is when i
realised how much he liked me realy and realised that i realy liked
him too.
> >> you didn't tell him to damage his house, and if the housing authority
> >> have secured it, I should imagine it is for reasons of safety and to
> >> keep out children who may go in there to play and could harm
> >> themselves.
>
> > No, it was to keep him out, which like i said, i dont think that they
> > got any right to do.
>
> If he's left they have.
But hes only left cos they hav stopped him from getting back in.
> > if me
> > and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> > him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> > me, i just want him back.
>
> Well perhaps, but finding someone that doesn't want to be found
> isn't easy.
He wont kno that i want to kno where he is tho. He will just be
thinking that as id gone off anyway, and then dident speak to him when
i came back, and then went off again, still without speaking to him,
[and i kno that he dident speak to me eirther, but i still could of
said somthing] but he will just be thinking that i dont care and hate
him , so he wont think that i will be missing him at all.
> I had a friend who I had to say to everyone he knew that he was
> staying with his mum. But in reality he had a 10 week prison
> sentence.
At least *you* knew where he was tho, wot was he in prison for?
> if the council are looking for him and the police and they can't find him
> and/or probably wouldn't; give his location to you if they knew it
> then there's not much you can do, an ad in the local paper
I dont kno if the police or anybody are looking for him, i just kno
that he use to say that if he had to move that he wouldent be letting
any of the ppl like gas and electreic kno cos of bills that he hadent
paid. I wouldent put anything in the paper cos id feel a bit daft
doing that and i dont supose that hed see it anyway cos he dont read
any papers, like i dont either, somthing else that we got in common.
See the thing is, i kno that hes awful cos of some of the stupid
things that hes done, but its awful in a good way, if you see wot i
mean, its wot makes him who he is, and its who he is that i like, cos
of how he is, and i kno that most ppl would say stay away from
sombody like him, but some of the goody goody ppl are just realy
boreing, and nobody could ever say that Darren is boreing, and like i
said, wot about me? ive been thru awful times and done stupid things,
not on the same levil as wot he has, cos i wouldent hav the nerve for
one thing, but i was in a right state for a while and got realy screwd
up after my Dad left, and it was only when my freind Adrien came into
my life and made freinds with me, that i started to feel better and he
stopped me drinking cos i was drinking whisky all the time adn felt
hopeless and deprest alot of the time, and then me and Kirsty got
2gether and all of that was wot settled me, and if it hadent been for
Ade being my freind then i dont kno where id of ended up, but if he
had told anybody about me they would proably of told him to stay away
and not bother with me, and i feel that its like that with Darren, i
could be a stabaliseing influence on him and could help him stay out
of troubel, i dont want to change him cos i like him the way that he
is, but i want him to realise that he needs to hold back from doing
certain things to keep himself out of troubel, i understand, i use
to take things from shops as well but never got caught but Darren has
only got to walk into a shop anyway and looking like a typickal chav
they are suspisious of him anyway so its not so easy for him to get
away with taking anything, i use to get watched too a lot of the time
but im good at acting realy innocent so i could fool ppl more easily
into trusting me and not bothering to watch me so much and so it was
easier for me, but i dont do nothing like that now, but cos i was in a
state emotionaly anyway at teh tiem, i just dident care, but i would
of felt even worse if id been caught, so i want to find Darren cos im
sure that i will be a good influence on him and help him to calm down
a bit . See, my GF thinks that you cant do that, she thinks that ppl
are how they are and that you cant change them, but like i said i dont
want to change him, just make him feel happy so that he wont want to
do things that will risk him getting into troubel, and anyway, Kirsty
had to calm me down a bit, even tho Ade had done most of that by the
time that she came along, i am proof tha if the right ppl come into
your life, that you can be influenced in a good way and it can stop
you form going down one way and help you to go in a better direction
than wot you would of done if they hadent come along, so that is why i
dont agree when ppl say stay away from sombody cos they are bad , cos
the right ppl can make a diffrence if they care enuff about
you.
V.
Varizo.
> On 24 Feb, 03:55, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
> > about him but i cant. I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
>
> I'm sorry to say it V, but I just don't like them. I've yet to
> encounter even one with any redeeming quality. Even the passably good
> looking ones are tainted by their generally obnoxious behaviour and
> contemptuous attitude towards anyone but their own kind.
Thats a bit prejudissed tho, you hav to get to kno ppl to find out wot
theyr realy like, i wouldent of gone out of my way to get to kno
Darren but he went out of his way to get to kno me, and then i was
glad that he had, but now i feel so unhappy about not knowing where he
is that i almost wish tha i hadent got to kno him at all. [But i dont
mean that. i just want us to be 2gether again].
> > and i keep seeing ones around dressed similare to Darren , [all in
> > black],
>
> He dresses all in black? Now, are you sure he is actually a chav, and
> not a Goth? ;-)
Like i dont kno the diffrence or somthing!! Alrite, i kno that your
only jokeing, but loads of chavs wear black, and Darren use to wear a
white baseball cap a lot of the time and always brite white shoes, and
with evrything else in black that is such a styleish look, spesialy
on him , he always looked good.
> > i went off to my Dads without
> > telling him and stayd there for weeks, and when i came back Darren
> > ignord me, so i ignord him too, and i went back to my Dads again and
> > came baCK a week later and thats when i found that hed gone, i found
> > out taht hed smashed his house up some more
>
> Totally irresponsible behaviour, and thinking that you didn't want to
> know him is no excuse. You have been extremely upset emotionally over
> him. Have you behaved in such an appalling manner because of it? Have
> you trashed your place of abode as a result of how you are feeling
> over him?
No, but ppl reackt in diffrent ways to things, i hav been realy realy
irritabal, spesialy to my GF, but then i cant get over her atittude,
the way tht she is so smug and pleased about Darren not being around,
insted of thinking about my feelings , like she should be doing, if
she loves me, like shes suposed to do. Im only putting up w her at
teh moment cos i want to be around when her father comes back, cos i
want to talk to him.
> > and there had been some
> > sort of fire in there, so the housing ppl went there and boarded it
> > up to stop him from getting back in, cos he had tried to apparantley
> > so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
> > i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
> > him that so that is another reason that i want to see him, cos im
> > sure that they would hav to let him back in to his house if he did
> > somthing about it leagaly.
>
> I'm not clear on what the legal position is but I would have thought
> that as the housing association/council, whoever it is who owns the
> house he was occupying, had been attempting to evict him for some
> time, (I recall you said as much) then the latest incident would be an
> ample opportunity for them to do so. Didn't you say that he wasn't
> even a tenant and had been left behind when the rest of his family
> moved out? If that is the case and he was occupying what was intended
> as a family home, then rightly or wrongly, the policy of most councils
> or local housing authorities is that they rehouse a single person in
> those circumstances in a smaller home more suitable for their needs.
Yeh but wot they think is suitabal for his needs , and wot he thought,
was 2 v diffrent things, hes been used to living in ahouse ,why should
he hav to exspect to liv in some small flat or pokey room somwhre? Its
not fair the way that tehy disscrimiante aganst single ppl.
> >> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
> >> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
>
> > A sensitiv and emotional one.
>
> Again, I'm sorry, V, but I think you're seeing him through rose tinted
> lenses.
> You've described him as a "typical chav", and from his behaviour, he
> does indeed, sound like one. Chavs aren't known for being "sensitive
> and emotional". They are, however, known for being antisocial and
> surly, and as evidenced by the traits he has exhibited, I'd say he
> quite definitely _is_ a typical chav!. In other words, someone best
> avoided at all costs!
You dont kno him. And i kno that you rpoably wouldnet want to, but
neither did i , until he went out of his way to get to kno me, and i
found out how nice he is.
> > he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
> > alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
> > here.
>
> Again, typical chav behaviour, and you want to associate with someone
> who behaves as he does? He is a walking disaster area, and yet you are
> desperate to have this person back in your life?
Hes fun to be with, and i like the way he is, ppl are prejudissed and
they pick on certain ppl and dont want them in shops and i dont think
that they got the right to do that, that cow who made us leave that
shop that night, she had no right to talk to us like she did, and then
threaten to call the police when i told her to fuck off, like she had
told us to do, she just dident like getting a taste of her own fucking
medicinne , the vile old cow.
> > For one thing im worried about how hes copeing or wot hes
> > doing , he could be getting himself into allsorts of troubel, if me
> > and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> > him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> > me, i just want him back.
>
> You are letting your longing for him cloud your judgement. You are not
> responsible for his actions. You cannot change him. He is how he is.
> If he changes for the better, then it has to be his choice. You cannot
> influence him in this way. Again, you are setting yourself up for
> disappointment if you think you can change him.
I dont want to change him. I like him just the way he is. But ppl can
be helped, like wot i was, id of proably got into allsorts of troubel
if it hadent of been for Ade who made freinds with me and talked to
me, he use to spend hours and hours, all nite , just listning to me,
and talking sence into me, it was him who stopped me from driniking,
he made me realsie that it wasent helping, [my freind Petey had got me
into drinking whisky when i was about 12, hes a lot older than me,
even older than my Dad, but hes young looking, and he thought that
when my Dad left and i was in a wful state beacus of it, he said that
if i had whisky it would help take the edge off of how devasstated i
felt, adn it did, but you hav to hav more and more of it to hav the
same effect, adn i was having to let him get it for me evry nite, and
i was realy deprest adn couldent cope with anything, but Adrien realy
helped me and if it hadent of been for him, i would of just gone on
the same. So ppl can be influenced in a good way by sombody who is a
freind, helping them , just letting them kno that you care enuff not
to want to see them go on a self distrucktiv way, and that you dont
want them to get into troubel with the police and evrything and that
when sombody realises that you care enuff about them, they will listen
adn will calm down a bit adn just think more befor they do somthing.
Ade came along just at teh right time , to stop me from going the way
that i was, and feeling the way that i did, and i think that i can do
that for Darren cos hes so mixsed up and dont seem to care about
anything, and he realy did care about me, and then he couldent cope
with it, and when he admitted how he felt, i couldent cope and went
off, so its not surpriseing that he got into a worse state then and
smashed his house up a bit more, its the sort of stupid thing that he
does, he gets angry and frusstrated and thats his way of dealing with
it, and going out takeing things from shops and doing vandalisism ,
hes like that, i just want to help him to calm down a bit, but not
change him tho.
V.
Varizo.
> I dunno if they have it in Britain, but here in America we have a public
> records database that you can look into to trace utility bills to locate
> someone. You have to pay for the report I believe, but you know, if it's
> worth it to you, probably not all that much.
Ive never heard of anything liek that over here, im sure that you cant
do that here. I wish we could, it sounds like a good idea when youv e
lost touch with sombody. The only problem wi it i supose is that
sombody who you dont want to find you, could do that, so how do ppl
protect thereselves from that sort o f thing?
V.
Bob Terwilliger
> ThatsabitprejudissedthoyouhavtogettoknoppltofindoutwottheyrrealylikeiwouldentofgoneoutofmywaytogettoknoDarrenbuthewentoutofhiswaytogettoknomeandtheniwasgladthathehadbutnowifeelsounhappyaboutnotknowingwhereheisthatialmostwishthaihadentgottoknohimatallButidontmeanthatijustwantustobe2getheragainLikeidontknothediffrenceorsomthingAlriteiknothatyouronlyjokeingbutloadsofchavswearblackandDarrenusetowearawhitebaseballcapalotofthetimeandalwaysbritewhiteshoesandwithevrythingelseinblackthatissuchastyleishlookspesialyonhimhealwayslookedgoodNobutpplreacktindiffrentwaystothingsihavbeenrealyrealyirritabalspesialytomyGFbutthenicantgetoverheratittudethewaythtsheissosmugandpleasedaboutDarrennotbeingaroundinstedofthinkingaboutmyfeelingslikesheshouldbedoingifshelovesmelikeshessuposedtodoImonlyputtingupwherattehmomentcosiwanttobearoundwhenherfathercomesbackcosiwanttotalktohimYehbutwottheythinkissuitabalforhisneedsandwothethoughtwas2vdiffrentthingshesbeenusedtolivinginahousewhyshouldhehavtoexspecttolivinsomesmallflatorpokeyroomsomwhreItsnotfairthewaythattehydisscrimianteaganstsinglepplYoudontknohimAndiknothatyourpoablywouldnetwanttobutneitherdidiuntilhewentoutofhiswaytogettoknomeandifoundouthowniceheisHesfuntobewithandilikethewayheispplareprejudissedandtheypickoncertainpplanddontwanttheminshopsandidontthinkthattheygottherighttodothatthatcowwhomadeusleavethatshopthatnightshehadnorighttotalktouslikeshedidandthenthreatentocallthepolicewhenitoldhertofuckofflikeshehadtoldustodoshejustdidentlikegettingatasteofherownfuckingmedicinnethevileoldcowIdontwanttochangehimIlikehimjustthewayheisButpplcanbehelpedlikewotiwasidofproablygotintoallsortsoftroubelifithadentofbeenforAdewhomadefreindswithmeandtalkedtomeheusetospendhoursandhoursallnitejustlistningtomeandtalkingsenceintomeitwashimwhostoppedmefromdrinikinghemademerealsiethatitwasenthelpingmyfreindPeteyhadgotmeintodrinkingwhiskywheniwasabout12hesalotolderthanmeevenolderthanmyDadbuthesyounglookingandhethoughtthatwhenmyDadleftandiwasinawfulstatebeacusofithesaidthatifihadwhiskyitwouldhelptaketheedgeoffofhowdevasstatedifeltadnitdidbutyouhavtohavmoreandmoreofittohavthesameeffectadniwashavingtolethimgetitformeevryniteandiwasrealydeprestadncouldentcopewithanythingbutAdrienrealyhelpedmeandifithadentofbeenforhimiwouldofjustgoneonthesameSopplcanbeinfluencedinagoodwaybysombodywhoisafreindhelpingthemjustlettingthemknothatyoucareenuffnottowanttoseethemgoonaselfdistrucktivwayandthatyoudontwantthemtogetintotroubelwiththepoliceandevrythingandthatwhensombodyrealisesthatyoucareenuffaboutthemtheywilllistenadnwillcalmdownabitadnjustthinkmorebefortheydosomthingAdecamealongjustattehrighttimetostopmefromgoingthewaythatiwasandfeelingthewaythatididandithinkthaticandothatforDarrencoshessomixsedupanddontseemtocareaboutanythingandherealydidcareaboutmeandthenhecouldentcopewithitandwhenheadmittedhowhefelticouldentcopeandwentoffsoitsnotsurpriseingthathegotintoaworsestatethenandsmashedhishouseupabitmoreitsthesortofstupidthingthathedoeshegetsangryandfrusstratedandthatshiswayofdealingwithitandgoingouttakeingthingsfromshopsanddoingvandalisismheslikethatijustwanttohelphimtocalmdownabitbutnotchangehimthoV
Your longing for your chav means you're gay. Going on and on about how GOOD
he looks? How gay is that?
Bob
Shiflet
> Oh right, ive never seen him there befor i dont think, but he said
> wellcome to his NG.
He's mentally handicapped. He thinks posting a lot about a concert nobody
gives a shit about makes it his newsgroup. There's actually an article about
how his delusional ass was thrown out of a museum where he was trying to
sell his tapes, all because he got worked up when he was told his tapes were
neither rare, nor relevant. He was released into custody of his wife who
said he hadn't been taking his medication, clearly a COMMON OCCURENCE for
him.
> V.
>
>
>
-Phil Clemence
"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message
news:45dfbf60$0$194$bb4e...@newscene.com...
It sure seems like he is in love, but maybe he has a lot of loving feelings
and it just squirts out in every direction.
Let me try to put it a different way.
Well, let me just muse on it - if it can be made clear Bob already did that.
MY job is to complicate it ;)
I have not read everything Varizo has written ...
All the better to complicate things, but I find it hard to read through all
the "he said /she said" and I skim and pick up more of where he says 'so I
thought...' and "so I did...' sort of things, but he writes more about his
feelings towards other males than anyone I ever read before. He is in
contact with enough people that it seems his feelings/ thoughts would not be
resulting from general loneliness, but it seems his girlfriend is/was not
fulfilling his emotional needs.
If he never feels any physical attraction to any males but very strong
emotional ones .. he would not really be gay, would he?
Now, maybe he is gay but is more of an emotional than physical person?
Couldn't being more cerebral may play out as emotional or unemotional
depending on the thoughts, and couldn't it could result in repression of
physical attraction as well as causing it? Thoughts are part of a feedback
system that can do almost anything to our perceptions and to our bodies...
Maybe he is not gay but bisexual. Then again maybe he is biemotional .. or
some combination..
Well, the fact that he can remember all those names and who likes who and
who said what and made who jealous and their mother and father and friend
...
Definitely NOT your typical Bubba..
-Phil Clemence
-Phil Clemence
Intrusion disguised as freedom has a higher price :-(
Good luck!
Wereo_SUPREME
There's awlmost no way, Varizo. Btw don't listin to these FOOLS who
say I'm mot the biggest thing on the Internet. I am. Not *only* for
what I did at the California Jam (ook up California Jam n the Gogg)
but because I'm also the greatest Filmmaker who ever lived, and
because I'm the ONLY FIlmmaker who ever lived.
I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS ON THE INTERNET.
Bonestructure
> Ive never heard of anything liek that over here, im sure that you cant
> do that here. I wish we could, it sounds like a good idea when youv e
> lost touch with sombody. The only problem wi it i supose is that
> sombody who you dont want to find you, could do that, so how do ppl
> protect thereselves from that sort o f thing?
> V.
have them. Just enter 'searchable public databases' into google or whatever
search engine you use. Or try entering 'find an address' in Britain. Ot
'find utility records in Britain'. If you really want to find someone,
there's always a way.
--
I think if I opened a funeral home, I would call it "Abra Cadavers." That
way I could combine it with a magic shop.
Varizo.
> I'm also the greatest Filmmaker who ever lived, and
> because I'm the ONLY FIlmmaker who ever lived.
>
> I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS ON THE INTERNET.
Do you make movies then? Like a proper movie director i mean? Is that
wot you do? Wot movies hav you made?
V.
Varizo.
> > Ive never heard of anything liek that over here, im sure that you cant
> > do that here. I wish we could, it sounds like a good idea when youv e
> > lost touch with sombody. The only problem wi it i supose is that
> > sombody who you dont want to find you, could do that, so how do ppl
> > protect thereselves from that sort o f thing?
> > V.
>
> See if you can find searchable public databases for Britain, I bet they
> have them. Just enter 'searchable public databases' into google or whatever
> search engine you use. Or try entering 'find an address' in Britain. Ot
> 'find utility records in Britain'.
Wouldent they of had to of lived there fior quite a time tho? Wot
about when they might only of lived somwhere else for a v short time,
or wot if hes actualy just sleeping on sombodys floor or somthing and
hasent got a proper addrress yet? Dont you hav to be regissterd
somwhere properley or somthing? If he dosent hav a proper place of his
own yet and is just staying w his brother or sombody then he wont need
to hav any bills sent to him, and anyway that was one of the things
that he said to me once, that atleast if they found him somwhre else
to liv tha he woudlent hav to worry about the unpaid bills cos he
woudlent be telling the gas and electirc ppl where he would be nxt
time.
> If you really want to find someone,
> there's always a way.
I hope so, cos im realy miserabal about it, and thanx, i will try wot
you say.
V.
Varizo.
> Varizo wrote:
Thatsabitprejudissedthoyouhavtogettoknoppltofindoutwottheyrrealylikeiwoulde
ntofgoneoutofmywaytogettoknoDarrenbuthewentoutofhiswaytogettoknomeandtheniw
asgladthathehadbutnowifeelsounhappyaboutnotknowingwhereheisthatialmostwisht
haihadentgottoknohimatallButidontmeanthatijustwantustobe2getheragainLikeido
ntknothediffrenceorsomthingAlriteiknothatyouronlyjokeingbutloadsofchavswear
blackandDarrenusetowearawhitebaseballcapalotofthetimeandalwaysbritewhitesho
esandwithevrythingelseinblackthatissuchastyleishlookspesialyonhimhealwayslo
okedgoodNobutpplreacktindiffrentwaystothingsihavbeenrealyrealyirritabalspes
ialytomyGFbutthenicantgetoverheratittudethewaythtsheissosmugandpleasedabout
Darrennotbeingaroundinstedofthinkingaboutmyfeelingslikesheshouldbedoingifsh
elovesmelikeshessuposedtodoImonlyputtingupwherattehmomentcosiwanttobearound
whenherfathercomesbackcosiwanttotalktohimYehbutwottheythinkissuitabalforhis
needsandwothethoughtwas2vdiffrentthingshesbeenusedtolivinginahousewhyshould
hehavtoexspecttolivinsomesmallflatorpokeyroomsomwhreItsnotfairthewaythatteh
ydisscrimianteaganstsinglepplYoudontknohimAndiknothatyourpoablywouldnetwant
tobutneitherdidiuntilhewentoutofhiswaytogettoknomeandifoundouthowniceheisHe
sfuntobewithandilikethewayheispplareprejudissedandtheypickoncertainpplanddo
ntwanttheminshopsandidontthinkthattheygottherighttodothatthatcowwhomadeusle
avethatshopthatnightshehadnorighttotalktouslikeshedidandthenthreatentocallt
hepolicewhenitoldhertofuckofflikeshehadtoldustodoshejustdidentlikegettingat
asteofherownfuckingmedicinnethevileoldcowIdontwanttochangehimIlikehimjustth
ewayheisButpplcanbehelpedlikewotiwasidofproablygotintoallsortsoftroubelifit
hadentofbeenforAdewhomadefreindswithmeandtalkedtomeheusetospendhoursandhour
sallnitejustlistningtomeandtalkingsenceintomeitwashimwhostoppedmefromdrinik
inghemademerealsiethatitwasenthelpingmyfreindPeteyhadgotmeintodrinkingwhisk
ywheniwasabout12hesalotolderthanmeevenolderthanmyDadbuthesyounglookingandhe
thoughtthatwhenmyDadleftandiwasinawfulstatebeacusofithesaidthatifihadwhisky
itwouldhelptaketheedgeoffofhowdevasstatedifeltadnitdidbutyouhavtohavmoreand
moreofittohavthesameeffectadniwashavingtolethimgetitformeevryniteandiwasrea
lydeprestadncouldentcopewithanythingbutAdrienrealyhelpedmeandifithadentofbe
enforhimiwouldofjustgoneonthesameSopplcanbeinfluencedinagoodwaybysombodywho
isafreindhelpingthemjustlettingthemknothatyoucareenuffnottowanttoseethemgoo
naselfdistrucktivwayandthatyoudontwantthemtogetintotroubelwiththepoliceande
vrythingandthatwhensombodyrealisesthatyoucareenuffaboutthemtheywilllistenad
nwillcalmdownabitadnjustthinkmorebefortheydosomthingAdecamealongjustattehri
ghttimetostopmefromgoingthewaythatiwasandfeelingthewaythatididandithinkthat
icandothatforDarrencoshessomixsedupanddontseemtocareaboutanythingandherealy
didcareaboutmeandthenhecouldentcopewithitandwhenheadmittedhowhefelticoulden
tcopeandwentoffsoitsnotsurpriseingthathegotintoaworsestatethenandsmashedhis
houseupabitmoreitsthesortofstupidthingthathedoeshegetsangryandfrusstratedan
dthatshiswayofdealingwithitandgoingouttakeingthingsfromshopsanddoingvandali
sismheslikethatijustwanttohelphimtocalmdownabitbutnotchangehimthoV
>
It must of taken you quite a long time to go thru evrything that i
said and removing all of the spaces. You are weird , bob.
> Your longing for your chav means you're gay. Going on and on about how GOOD
> he looks? How gay is that?
Your just being realy stupid and ignroant if you think that its not
possibal to look at sombody else of the same sex as yourself and
appresiate the fact that they look good. Praps if youve got hangups or
fears about being gay and are homophobick, but im not so i dont hav to
worry about things like that, i can see when another boy looks nice
and i can say so cos im not afraid to admit it, its not being gay, its
just appresiating when sombody looks nice, theres nothing wrong with
that. It says a lot about you if you think that there is.
V.
Varizo.
sort of thing is for america, and not in england, and the ones that
are exspect you to giv credit card details and i havaent got one , you
need money for that. And i couldent find anything at all for bills,
and anyway, like i said, i think that you would had to of been living
somwhere for a while befor you could look for anything like that
anyway. I keep hoping that i,ll just see him somwhere or atleast one
of his freinds, one of the nice ones anyway, so that i could ask them,
but i havaent seen any of them either.
V.
Wereo_SUPREME
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ReVulse
> wot if hes actualy just sleeping on sombodys floor
Or hopefully dead in a ditch.
From what you've said, him and his whole family are just lowlife,
unemployable scum so I truly hope some "tragic" misfortune befalls them
all.
And seeing as you're a workshy, benefit fraud, I wish you would join them.
> im realy miserabal about it
Good. Now drop dead.
> thanx, i will try wot
> you say.
If only.
--
#Andy#
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
> > On 27 Feb, 03:08, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
> > > > > him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
> > > > > me, i just want him back.
>
> > Even though he would most likely lead you into trouble. Think ASBO. Do
> > you really want one of those?
>
> Well like ive said befor, you can get one of them for nothing anyway.
>
> > > > The best possible thing you can do is to PERSONALLY search high and low in
> > > > the areas where chavs congregate, spiraling out from the spot where you last
> > > > saw the one you love. Even if you don't find the one you're looking for now,
> > > > maybe you'll find one who makes you feel the same way, all squirmy inside.
>
> > They have that effect on me. Only the squirmy feeling is one of
> > distate and unease.
>
> Thats probaly cos you dont kno any. i use to feel like that until i
> got to kno Darren.
Granted, I don't know him, but he has exhibited thoroughly appalling,
obnoxious behaviour and is typical of his kind and probably even worse
than some. I am at a loss as to why you think so highly of him.
>
> > Just remember, V, if you do locate him, be sure to use some anti chav!
> > LOL
>
> >http://got-w00t.co.uk/forum_files/chav.gif
>
> And like i said the 1st time that you posted that, if anybody
> seriously thinks that that bloke in the after picture looks better
> than the one in the befor picture, then theyd hav to be mad.
I certainly didn't think he looked better. I very much doubt it is
even the same chappie. I merely found it rather amusing.
>
> > This may amuse you.http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
>
> No more than it did the 1st time round, tho some of it is funny
> spesialy the way that it describes some of the scummy girls, thats
> realy ackuratte that is.
> V.
Apologies for re-posting those links. I don't recall seeing a response
from you when I posted them before, and wasn't sure if you'd seen them
or not.
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
> > On 24 Feb, 03:55, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
> > > about him but i cant. I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,
>
> > I'm sorry to say it V, but I just don't like them. I've yet to
> > encounter even one with any redeeming quality. Even the passably good
> > looking ones are tainted by their generally obnoxious behaviour and
> > contemptuous attitude towards anyone but their own kind.
>
> Thats a bit prejudissed tho, you hav to get to kno ppl to find out wot
> theyr realy like, i wouldent of gone out of my way to get to kno
> Darren but he went out of his way to get to kno me, and then i was
> glad that he had, but now i feel so unhappy about not knowing where he
> is that i almost wish tha i hadent got to kno him at all. [But i dont
> mean that. i just want us to be 2gether again].
You weren't exactly together as such though. You only knew him for a
very short time.
>
> > > and i keep seeing ones around dressed similare to Darren , [all in
> > > black],
>
> > He dresses all in black? Now, are you sure he is actually a chav, and
> > not a Goth? ;-)
>
> Like i dont kno the diffrence or somthing!! Alrite, i kno that your
> only jokeing, but loads of chavs wear black, and Darren use to wear a
> white baseball cap a lot of the time and always brite white shoes, and
> with evrything else in black that is such a styleish look, spesialy
> on him , he always looked good.
He may well have done, but his character certainly appears to leave a
lot to be desired.
> > > i went off to my Dads without
> > > telling him and stayd there for weeks, and when i came back Darren
> > > ignord me, so i ignord him too, and i went back to my Dads again and
> > > came baCK a week later and thats when i found that hed gone, i found
> > > out taht hed smashed his house up some more
>
> > Totally irresponsible behaviour, and thinking that you didn't want to
> > know him is no excuse. You have been extremely upset emotionally over
> > him. Have you behaved in such an appalling manner because of it? Have
> > you trashed your place of abode as a result of how you are feeling
> > over him?
>
> No, but ppl reackt in diffrent ways to things, i hav been realy realy
> irritabal, spesialy to my GF, but then i cant get over her atittude,
> the way tht she is so smug and pleased about Darren not being around,
> insted of thinking about my feelings , like she should be doing, if
> she loves me, like shes suposed to do. Im only putting up w her at
> teh moment cos i want to be around when her father comes back, cos i
> want to talk to him.
It's good you have someone you feel you can talk to, but I'd be wary
of getting too close to your girlfriend's dad, considering the amount
of upset you say it caused the last time you got chummy with him. Have
things calmed down there yet?
> > > and there had been some
> > > sort of fire in there, so the housing ppl went there and boarded it
> > > up to stop him from getting back in, cos he had tried to apparantley
> > > so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,
> > > i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
> > > him that so that is another reason that i want to see him, cos im
> > > sure that they would hav to let him back in to his house if he did
> > > somthing about it leagaly.
>
> > I'm not clear on what the legal position is but I would have thought
> > that as the housing association/council, whoever it is who owns the
> > house he was occupying, had been attempting to evict him for some
> > time, (I recall you said as much) then the latest incident would be an
> > ample opportunity for them to do so. Didn't you say that he wasn't
> > even a tenant and had been left behind when the rest of his family
> > moved out? If that is the case and he was occupying what was intended
> > as a family home, then rightly or wrongly, the policy of most councils
> > or local housing authorities is that they rehouse a single person in
> > those circumstances in a smaller home more suitable for their needs.
>
> Yeh but wot they think is suitabal for his needs , and wot he thought,
> was 2 v diffrent things, hes been used to living in ahouse ,why should
> he hav to exspect to liv in some small flat or pokey room somwhre? Its
> not fair the way that tehy disscrimiante aganst single ppl.
Maybe not, but those are their rules, I'm afraid. They always put the
needs of families first. - I'm not saying I agree with them, but it's
just the way things are, and your friend has shown no respect for his
home, so it could be argued that he has no right to occupy a house for
that reason alone.
> > >> Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
> > >> their house because of a falling out with a friend?
>
> > > A sensitiv and emotional one.
>
> > Again, I'm sorry, V, but I think you're seeing him through rose tinted
> > lenses.
> > You've described him as a "typical chav", and from his behaviour, he
> > does indeed, sound like one. Chavs aren't known for being "sensitive
> > and emotional". They are, however, known for being antisocial and
> > surly, and as evidenced by the traits he has exhibited, I'd say he
> > quite definitely _is_ a typical chav!. In other words, someone best
> > avoided at all costs!
>
> You dont kno him. And i kno that you rpoably wouldnet want to, but
> neither did i , until he went out of his way to get to kno me, and i
> found out how nice he is.
How is he "nice"? He hasn't been very nice to you. If he is so nice
then why are you feeling so unhappy now? He certainly hasn't
considered your feelings at all.
> > > he dident use to go into the town much anyway cos he wasent
> > > alowd into a lot of the shops there either, like he wasent around
> > > here.
>
> > Again, typical chav behaviour, and you want to associate with someone
> > who behaves as he does? He is a walking disaster area, and yet you are
> > desperate to have this person back in your life?
>
> Hes fun to be with, and i like the way he is, ppl are prejudissed and
> they pick on certain ppl and dont want them in shops and i dont think
> that they got the right to do that, that cow who made us leave that
> shop that night, she had no right to talk to us like she did, and then
> threaten to call the police when i told her to fuck off, like she had
> told us to do, she just dident like getting a taste of her own fucking
> medicinne , the vile old cow.
If you had gone into the shop on your own, I doubt the woman would
have acted that way. She must have recognised your friend as a
potential trouble maker. Had he not been in there before causing
problems? I believe you admitted as much.
I doubt you could anyway. If people change for the better, it has to
be because they, themselves, want to. It's good that you got the help
you needed, but really, you should have cared enough about your own
wellbeing to not have been persuaded by your older friend to start
drinking at such a tender age.
I really do hope, for your sake, that you get over this present
emotional upset soon.
Please take care, V. All the best. :-)
T.Bone
There's no need to be so nasty. I generally detest chavs and think
that V's chav friend does indeed sound like a waste of space, but V is
obviously very fond of him. Therefore I respect that and have
consideration for his feelings in the matter. You are very lucky if
you have never suffered the pangs of longing for someone seemingly
unobtainable. I can sympathise with V's predicament, even though the
object of his affections sounds thoroughly reprehensible to me
personally.
T.Bone
SNIP
> I have not read everything Varizo has written ...
> All the better to complicate things, but I find it hard to read through all
> the "he said /she said" and I skim and pick up more of where he says 'so I
> thought...' and "so I did...' sort of things, but he writes more about his
> feelings towards other males than anyone I ever read before. He is in
> contact with enough people that it seems his feelings/ thoughts would not be
> resulting from general loneliness, but it seems his girlfriend is/was not
> fulfilling his emotional needs.
Indeed, from what he has written about her, his girlfriend sounds
extremely controlling of him and possessive towards him, even
objecting to him spending time with his own father.
In the case of her hostility towards his chav friend though, I feel
she really does have a point where that particular individual is
concerned, he has given V nothing but grief and I fail to see how V
would ever achieve any lasting happiness from knowing him.
> If he never feels any physical attraction to any males but very strong
> emotional ones .. he would not really be gay, would he?
> Now, maybe he is gay but is more of an emotional than physical person?
> Couldn't being more cerebral may play out as emotional or unemotional
> depending on the thoughts, and couldn't it could result in repression of
> physical attraction as well as causing it? Thoughts are part of a feedback
> system that can do almost anything to our perceptions and to our bodies...
> Maybe he is not gay but bisexual. Then again maybe he is biemotional .. or
> some combination..
I think he gives out mixed signals which serves to confuse people. On
the one hand, he is, by his own admisson, extremely attractive in a
feminine way and is often mistaken for a teenage girl, and at the same
time, he has admitted that he does, on occasion, like to flirt with
certain men, even though to him personally, it is entirely innocent
and devoid of any sexual intent on his part. This, of course, causes
for misunderstandings at times, as appears to be the case with his
chav friend, with the friend thinking that there was a possibility of
a sexual liason, even though the friend himself was not gay, and V not
wanting their relationship to be anything more than merely a "close"
friendship, which would apparently involve hugs, and be a much closer
platonic relationship than would noromally be seen between two boys
who were merely mates.
Confusing indeed, but not impossible and to V, apparently quite
normal.
I can quite see how to others it would be difficult to understand. I
think it is merely that V is a very complex person, certainly an
individual, - not a bad thing - but not gay. At least, not in the
normal sense. Of course, I am not an expert, but he could just be
someone who relates better emotionally to members of his own sex, at
least to _some_ of them, but prefers his romantic involvements to be
with girls.
-Phil Clemence
"T.Bone" <te-...@email.com> wrote in message
news:1173373884.0...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I read something a while back and when I read what Varizo writes it strikes
me over and over.
" I learn that the real
power and my own grounded sense of self as a man comes from having
authentic, grounded, vulnerable relationships with my own gender first. It
is in men's circles that I find myself and the man I want to be and to
become. Only then I can relate to women from a place of mature masculine
energy."
For whatever insecurities Varizo might have I think he knows himself pretty
well and is a strong individual.
Most of what he posts here have to do with his frustration in trying to
understand others behavior when it is driven by insecurities.
I thought I had avoided wrapping myself in chains of manliness by being a
solitary person, but it wasn't so hard to see once I really thought about
how I react and behave.
I put the article here, because I did not find it at the website listed at
the bottom, but I just visited it and saw another thing that made me laugh:
"You've probably heard this old joke. "Why can't I find a man who's loving,
sensitive, affectionate and caring?" "Because, dear, those men already have
boyfriends." If this hits home, there is hope."
Well that is funny and particularly with regards to Varizo, but here is the
article (and I hope you are reading , Varizo)
==================================================
Heart of a Man and The Way Out
By Jim Mitchell and Amy Belanger
From the time we're in diapers, adults socialize us to the ways of the
family and the culture at large. What the family doesn't accomplish is
usually driven home in our teen years by conformist peer pressure, through
the powerful forces of shame, ridicule and judgment. On top of that the
mass media through movie characters, ads and icons, sets other standards
against which we judge ourselves, others and our relationships. Women and
men learn very different ways of behaving and develop very different
expectations about love, marriage and intimacy.
THE HEART OF A MAN
Male socialization teaches boys to minimize and ultimately deny feelings and
emotions that make them appear vulnerable, such as fear, sadness, grief, and
to a great extent, joy. These feelings are boxed up, put away and seldom
spoken of again in the company of other boys or men. By the time most boys
reach early manhood, they are comfortable only with feelings such as anger
and lust. Power, women, possessions, money and success take the place of any
authentic emotional life.
Boys learn to play by the rules of manhood from the older boys and men in
their lives. Such "rules" may never be actually spoken. Instead they are
learned mostly through observation and inference. Any random group of
college-aged young men asked to describe the rules on how or what it means
to be a man, will likely include:
§ Don't trust other men, especially with anything personal
§ Every other man is your competitor - for food, stuff, women,
employment, promotions, grades, etc.
§ Don't talk about what you really think
§ Don't feel..anything
§ Never let them see you sweat
§ Never ask for help
§ Be rational
§ Control is your friend
§ Toughen up!: don't show sadness, fear or anything "soft".
§ No mercy!
§ Go it alone. It worked for Dirty Harry, Superman, John Wayne, it
will work for you!
§ It's all about you (get what you want out of life; other people's
needs, feelings, desires don't matter)
And on and on..
Is it any wonder then, that men are challenged to create successful and
fulfilling relationships, no matter what their partner brings to the
relationship table.
THE HEART OF A WOMAN
Female socialization teaches girls that their value lies in nurturing
others, being vulnerable, expressing some emotions, building relationships,
and not so much in knowledge or skill. Feelings of anger, drivenness or lust
will quickly win them the label of bitch, ice-queen or whore. By the time
most girls reach early womanhood, they have learned they are most valued by
others as caretakers, and they shape their lives accordingly.
Girls learn to suppress their authentic selves as much as men, but are more
likely to suppress their skills, wisdom, strong opinions and anger as
opposed to the more vulnerable emotions. Any random group of college-aged
young women asked to describe the rules on how or what it means to be a
woman, will likely include:
§ Be as beautiful as possible at all times
§ Don't think for yourself - always get a second opinion because you
can't trust your own instincts and intelligence.
§ Always ask for help - too much independence is a turnoff to men.
§ Be emotional
§ Never show confidence, surety or determination - these are uppity.
§ Soften up: don't show anger, resentment or anything uncharitable.
§ Aggression is the kiss of death
§ Never go it alone
§ It's never about you (it's selfish for you to want anything out of
life; other people's needs, feelings, desires come first..always)
And on and on..
Is it any wonder then, that women are challenged to create successful and
fulfilling relationships, notwithstanding what their partner brings to the
relationship table
The Way Out
So what then is the way out you ask? Go ahead, ask. Well I'll tell you.
For men the way to truly successful and fulfilling relationships lies in
recreating our relationship with ourselves first and foremost, then, from
that new place, recreating our relationships with everyone else. That means
coming to terms with my socialization as a man and the discerning the parts
of it that do not serve me or take me towards my desired life and desired
relationships. It also means doing the hard work of reclaiming the parts of
me that I abandoned as a child or young man in my desire to fit in and gain
approval. And here comes the scary part. You ready? It means dealing with
the part of me that is still a hurt, wounded, scared little boy. Except now
the boy is trapped in your adult body. You know the part I'm talking about
don't you. Yeah, you know. You never talk about that part do you? But
it's there, scratching at you from the inside every day. And you keep
trying to relate to women from that place? That is never going to work
Chachi. If you think the ole Jimmeister doesn't know what he's talking
about here, go and ask the last 2-3 women you've been involved with. See
what they say about it. Go ahead. Go! Don't be scared.
Here's what I've found in my life as a man. It is only in doing work on me
as a man, men's work, and beginning to heal myself that I discover something
really magical about myself. I have everything I need to create the kind of
relationships I want. I have, and have always had, at my disposal a full
complement of emotions to help me to connect deeply with others and to build
authentic relationships and communities. I discover an emotional range and
fluency I was certain I no longer had. I discover that as a man I am fully
capable of being fierce and loving, strong and tender, rigorous and
compassionate, tenacious and giving. I discover I feel all my feelings
and emotions, maybe for the first time since I was a child. I discover a
new strength, powerful masculine strength, in my openness, vulnerability and
tears.
In working on myself and my inner life as, a man, I make another discovery.
This one is as important, if not more so, than reclaiming my emotional life.
I see how I have spent most of my life as man projecting my boyish needs
from women on to them, rather than truly engaging them as equals in an
authentic partnership. I find that I need to reframe how I see the women in
my life, be they mother, friend, lover or spouse. Through my self
examination and discovery I withdraw and transform my projections that every
women somehow needs to be my "mother", my comforter, my nurturer, my place
of solace and refuge or my sexual fix. I see that I need to work on my
'stuff' as a man in the company of men. I can no longer expect that somehow
the women in my life can fix what ails me as a man. I learn that the real
power and my own grounded sense of self as a man comes from having
authentic, grounded, vulnerable relationships with my own gender first. It
is in men's circles that I find myself and the man I want to be and to
become. Only then I can relate to women from a place of mature masculine
energy.
To assist me in bringing all this new wisdom to life and rebalancing my
inner life I focus on Five Simple Truths:
Integrity: I create for myself a true, grounded sense of integrity. I am
who I say and I am..and you can trust that. I do what I say.. and I say
what I do. My words and actions are congruent. I choose behaviors that
will raise the trust level in my relationships, not lower it. I keep my
agreements and promises with others. When I can't keep a given agreement, I
renegotiate a new agreement before the old one expires. My integrity is
never in question.
Accountability: I am willing to account for and be responsible for the
choices I make in my life and the consequences or impact of those choices. I
stop making excuses. I stop blaming others. I give up my need to be a
victim. I finally get that I create my reality and my life. I stop blaming
others for what I've created or failed to create in my life. If I don't
like my life, I know I have to change, not expect others to change for me.
Telling the Truth: I create a practice of telling myself and others the
truth. Period. I get out of the denial, delusion and fantasy that I use to
manipulate reality and I get into the truth. I get out of the Matrix! I
practice telling myself the microscopic truth about myself and my choices.
I no longer accept half truths, partial truths, lies, deceit, manipulation
or coercion from myself or others. I always practice compassion in telling
my truth to others. I get that my truth is not THE truth, it is my truth.
I don't have to explain nor defend my truth to others. I simply have to
know and live what is my truth.
Emotional Literacy: I teach myself to feel and experience the full
expression of my emotions. Joy, sadness, fear, anger and dozens of others.
I grieve my losses. I use my feelings, as well as my brain, to help me make
decisions, large and small. I express my feelings appropriately. I
practice compassion and gratitude daily.
Mission and Purpose: I develop for myself a clear vision of the kind of
world I'd like to see it and create a mission statement for myself that
speaks to what I'm willing to do each day to bring that kind of a world into
being. I live my mission truthfully and passionately. I ask others to
support me in making a difference in my world. I support others in doing
the same when ask. I stop waiting for other to take care of or fix what is
important to me. I passionately and compassionately participate in creating
the kind of family, relationship, school, community, government, country or
world I'd most like to be a part of.
As you focus on these Five Simple Truths and manifest a bit more of each of
them each day, you will discover a whole new way of being as Man. You'll
feel a newfound sense of authentic, masculine power, grace and love. Now,
what women wouldn't want some of that?
Jim Mitchell is a Certified Full Leader in The ManKind Project, a non profit
worldwide organization dedicated to "changing the world, one man at a
time.through initiation, training, and action in the world".
[I am a member of the Mankind Project in South Africa]
www.mkp.org
=======================================
Bonestructure
8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
> Wouldent they of had to of lived there fior quite a time tho? Wot
> about when they might only of lived somwhere else for a v short time,
> or wot if hes actualy just sleeping on sombodys floor or somthing and
> hasent got a proper addrress yet? Dont you hav to be regissterd
> somwhere properley or somthing? If he dosent hav a proper place of his
> own yet and is just staying w his brother or sombody then he wont need
> to hav any bills sent to him, and anyway that was one of the things
> that he said to me once, that atleast if they found him somwhre else
> to liv tha he woudlent hav to worry about the unpaid bills cos he
> woudlent be telling the gas and electirc ppl where he would be nxt
> time.
>
well, true enough. Fair cop on that one. Just trying to give you the best
resources I can
--
It's my contentionity that one of the main lexiconomological problems
today is the madeupedness of some words.
Varizo.
and then i can see that its only gone to the uk NG when it should of
gone to the other one too, so im posting it again to see wot happens
and as a xperriment in the follow up bit to alt love to see if tha
works, cos ive never tried that befor.
V.
Varizo.
> On Mar 5, 8:59 pm, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > "Wereo_SUPREME" says
> > > I'm also the greatest Filmmaker who ever lived, and
> > > because I'm the ONLY FIlmmaker who ever lived.
>
> > > I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS ON THE INTERNET.
>
> > Do you make movies then? Like a proper movie director i mean? Is that
> > wot you do? Wot movies hav you made?
> > V.
>
> I've shot the world's two most unique videos and here they are -
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZsmWuWnbYhttp://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2471611
The 2nd link wanted me to install somthing, and im not alowd to do
that cos its not my computor.
> I also shot the world's most unique Super 8 videos in the early 70s, I
> predicted in major media that September 11, 2001 was going to be "the
> biggest event in the History of America" and among many other videos
> miracles I'm also the only one who recorded the 1974 California Jam
> mega-Show. This was a show bigger than War Of The Worlds and sounds
> better than Woodstock combined.
>
> If you want to see the most spectacular photo on the Internet it is
> HERE Varizo:
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Jam/
>
> Click on it and let me know what you think, thanks!
Its not the sort of thing that im intressted in, but i think that your
realy clever if youve done all of that.
V.
Varizo.
> > > distate and unease.
>
> > Thats probaly cos you dont kno any. i use to feel like that until i
> > got to kno Darren.
>
> Granted, I don't know him, but he has exhibited thoroughly appalling,
> obnoxious behaviour and is typical of his kind and probably even worse
> than some. I am at a loss as to why you think so highly of him.
I wish tha i dident, but i do, i nevr thougth that i would ever like
anybody like him, but i do and i cant help it. Hes fun to be with and
hes exsciteing and i just want him back in my life.
> > > Just remember, V, if you do locate him, be sure to use some anti chav!
> > > LOL
>
> > >http://got-w00t.co.uk/forum_files/chav.gif
>
> > And like i said the 1st time that you posted that, if anybody
> > seriously thinks that that bloke in the after picture looks better
> > than the one in the befor picture, then theyd hav to be mad.
>
> I certainly didn't think he looked better. I very much doubt it is
> even the same chappie. I merely found it rather amusing.
I think that its obvious that its not the same bloke in the after
picture, for a start hes a lot older than the one in the befor
picture. The one in the befor picture is not all that, but at least
hes got somthing about him, the one in teh after picture just looks
like a boreing stupid wanker.
> > > This may amuse you.http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
>
> > No more than it did the 1st time round, tho some of it is funny
> > spesialy the way that it describes some of the scummy girls, thats
> > realy ackuratte that is.
> > V.
>
> Apologies for re-posting those links. I don't recall seeing a response
> from you when I posted them before, and wasn't sure if you'd seen them
> or not.
Well i did, and i replied to them , you dident post them here [in the
goth NG] you posted them in alt love and or alt romance, it was just
befor Christmas, i remerber that it made me laugh.
V.
Varizo.
> > > distate and unease.
>
> > Thats probaly cos you dont kno any. i use to feel like that until i
> > got to kno Darren.
>
> Granted, I don't know him, but he has exhibited thoroughly appalling,
> obnoxious behaviour and is typical of his kind and probably even worse
> than some. I am at a loss as to why you think so highly of him.
I wish tha i dident, but i do, i nevr thougth that i would ever like
anybody like him, but i do and i cant help it. Hes fun to be with and
hes exsciteing and i just want him back in my life.
> > > Just remember, V, if you do locate him, be sure to use some anti chav!
> > > LOL
>
> > >http://got-w00t.co.uk/forum_files/chav.gif
>
> > And like i said the 1st time that you posted that, if anybody
> > seriously thinks that that bloke in the after picture looks better
> > than the one in the befor picture, then theyd hav to be mad.
>
> I certainly didn't think he looked better. I very much doubt it is
> even the same chappie. I merely found it rather amusing.
I think that its obvious that its not the same bloke in the after
picture, for a start hes a lot older than the one in the befor
picture. The one in the befor picture is not all that, but at least
hes got somthing about him, the one in teh after picture just looks
like a boreing stupid wanker.
> > > This may amuse you.http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
>
> > No more than it did the 1st time round, tho some of it is funny
> > spesialy the way that it describes some of the scummy girls, thats
> > realy ackuratte that is.
> > V.
>
> Apologies for re-posting those links. I don't recall seeing a response
> from you when I posted them before, and wasn't sure if you'd seen them
> or not.
Well i did, and i replied to them , you dident post them here [in the
Varizo.
> On 6 Mar, 10:05, ReVulse <ReVu...@psychaoticREMOVE.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:03:51 -0800, Varizo. wrote:
> > > wot if hes actualy just sleeping on sombodys floor
>
> > Or hopefully dead in a ditch.
>
> > From what you've said, him and his whole family are just lowlife,
> > unemployable scum so I truly hope some "tragic" misfortune befalls them
> > all.
>
> > And seeing as you're a workshy, benefit fraud, I wish you would join them.
You sound so bitter, i realy do feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for
all bitter and unhappy ppl.
> > > im realy miserabal about it
>
> > Good. Now drop dead.
>
> > > thanx, i will try wot
> > > you say.
>
> > If only.
>
> > --
> > #Andy#
>
> There's no need to be so nasty. I generally detest chavs and think
> that V's chav friend does indeed sound like a waste of space, but V is
> obviously very fond of him. Therefore I respect that and have
> consideration for his feelings in the matter.
One thing that you need to kno about revullsiv, is that hes always
insaneley jelous of anybody who i like. So the fact that hes bitter
and resentful of sombody who i care about is nothing surpriseing to
me. Id only be surprised if he wasent bitter and resentful towards
them. He resents anybody who i care about, because its them , and not
him.
> You are very lucky if
> you have never suffered the pangs of longing for someone seemingly
> unobtainable. I can sympathise with V's predicament,
Its not like that tho. He realy realy liked me, its just that he
dident kno how to cope with it, and then when he was abel to admit to
it , i couldent cope with it, and also i felt taht i wanted to go off
to my Dads and not tell Darren so that he would kno how i had felt
when he had gone off to his brothers and not told me, and so because
of all of that, he thinks that i hate him now, and he thinks that i
hate him cos of him admitting his feelings to me. So it will be him
that is thinking that its him who cares about me and that i dont care
about him, and i just want him to kno how i realy feel, but the
troubel is that if i saw him anywhere, i kno that i probaly wouldent
speak to him, not unless he spoke to me first. That is just the way
that i am. I cant help that, i wish that i was the sort of person who
could just see him and go up to him and tell him how i feel but ive
got too much pride to do that, id feel stupid doing that, and he might
use that as a exscuse to be nasty to get his own back. [Im not saying
that he would, but he might, and i wouldent want to risk that, cos
then id just be so upset that i wouild tell him to fuck off and never
speak to me again and id say that i was only trying to be nice to him
cos i felt guilty, and then id go away and be more miserabal than
ever cos then it would be realy hopeless, so theres no way that i
would go up to him all pathetick and tell him strait out how upset ive
been because of him, and anyway he wouldent exspect me to act all
pathetick like that and he might not be abel to help himself and use
it to get back at me, cos i probaly would if it was him who came up to
me and acted all pathetick like that. Its a real problem even if i
find out where he is, but i still want to, cos like i said, i can just
go there and walk around in the town and or be around in the area, as
long as its not too far away, [and i dont think that he would go that
far away from the main area where we liv], but its like hes just
dissapeard, its no good me just going to diffrent nearby areas unless
i kno that he is actualy in one of them, and then even if i find out
for deffinitte where he is, theres no garuntee that i will see him
even if i go there and start hanging around near the shops or wotever.
Its a dilemma. But im still churning up inside over it, evry day, all
the time, and i cant stand going anywhere nr where he lived and seeing
his house cos it crusesifys me.
V.
Varizo.
> "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote in news:1173146631.798398.142790@
> 8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
> > Wouldent they of had to of lived there fior quite a time tho? Wot
> > about when they might only of lived somwhere else for a v short time,
> > or wot if hes actualy just sleeping on sombodys floor or somthing and
> > hasent got a proper addrress yet? Dont you hav to be regissterd
> > somwhere properley or somthing? If he dosent hav a proper place of his
> > own yet and is just staying w his brother or sombody then he wont need
> > to hav any bills sent to him, and anyway that was one of the things
> > that he said to me once, that atleast if they found him somwhre else
> > to liv tha he woudlent hav to worry about the unpaid bills cos he
> > woudlent be telling the gas and electirc ppl where he would be nxt
> > time.
>
> well, true enough. Fair cop on that one. Just trying to give you the best
> resources I can
I kno you were, and thanx for that. I appresiate it.
V.
Varizo.
> "T.Bone" <te-b...@email.com> wrote in message
> news:1173373884.0...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > On 3 Mar, 06:13, "-Phil Clemence" <m...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> Maybe he is not gay but bisexual. Then again maybe he is biemotional ..
> >> or
> >> some combination..
>
> > I think he gives out mixed signals which serves to confuse people.
If i do, its not on purpose.
> > individual, - not a bad thing - but not gay. At least, not in the
> > normal sense. Of course, I am not an expert, but he could just be
> > someone who relates better emotionally to members of his own sex, at
> > least to _some_ of them, but prefers his romantic involvements to be
> > with girls.
>
> I read something a while back and when I read what Varizo writes it strikes
> me over and over.
Well 1st of all, you two, idont kno why ppl want to keep analysing
me, if sociaty wasent so fucked up then ppl wouldent find it hard to
understand anybody who wasent just a typickal stereotype, like im
not. I looked at all that stuff from that website that you posted,
and tho it makes sence, it dont realy apply to me or my situation, for
one thing, im nothing like a typickal bloke, ive got no troubel at all
in saying wot i think or exspressing my emotions, im not afraid to be
emotional or cry, infact for the last few weeks ive been crying evry
day, so none of that stuff applys to me , cos i dont hide my emotions,
and my freinds dont hav any problms in saying how they feel about
things either. As for my GF, shes nothing like wot it says , like
those sort of females who are the typickal boreing sort that is
described there, Kirsty has got a v strong personalitty and gets wot
she wants, and is nothing like that description of some cringeing
woman whos scared to say much and thinks that they got to be sombody
whos only there to look after ppl, ive never been attracted to girls
who are like that, but then i dont think that ive ever realy known any
who are, most girls are loudmouthed and visious, atleast the ones in
my area are, Kirsty is not loudmouthed , but she dont need to be cos
she has got a v determinned nature and a inner strength and knows wot
she wants and dont giv up until she gets it. She is v femminne at the
saem tiem , shes not at all butch, shes just got a v strong
personalitty. She has got a v dark side to her nature, its one of the
things that ive always liked about her, even tho somtimes she can even
be a bit scarey, its like nothing is going to stand in her way if she
realy wants somthing, its just that recentley insted of that side of
her working in my favour, it has gone against me, her father is back
now, i didnt even kno at 1st, i thought tht it was funny when i went
round there and Kirsty wouldent let me in [2 times] but wanted to go
strrait out insted , normally when i go round there, i go in and we
hang around for a bit, befor we go out, or she will just come round to
mine and we stay there and then she goes home, but if i call round to
hers, i always get let in, but not these 2 times, and then i find out
that her father is back, and so its obvious that they are trying to
keep me away from him, and that is realy pissing me off, they got no
right to do that, i dont kno how i can see him wthout making a fuss
about it, and if i do that, by saying somthing, like saying that i
deffiniitley want to see him, then if i dont say somthing i dont see
how i am going to get to talk to him, and if i do hav to say somthing
and make a fuss, theres going to be a great big fuss made from Kirsty
and her mother about *why* do i want to see him? and if i say why, cos
i want to talk to him , it will be *why* do i want to talk to him, and
wot about, and why cant i talk to her, [Kirsty} and i cant say its cos
i want to talk about Darren, in case her father might hav some ideas
how i cna find out where Darren is and stuff like that, that i feel i
can talk to him about, Kirsty will get annoyd cos im still thinking
about Darren, and even tho im sure that she still knows that i am, i
try not to mention him at all to her, or in front of her to anybody
else, cos i can sence the resentment that she feels about him, i
just want to see him and for us to be 2gether again, as freinds, i
realy realy miss him, and so wot if i hadent known him for v long? he
made a strong inpression on me ,and being with him made me feel so
happy, its not that nobody else ever makes me feel happy cos they do,
but he was spesial , theres nobody like him anywhere, ive never known
anybody like him, he was up to allsorts, some of the things that he
was doing he would get into real troubel for if he was found out, but
it was all part of wot makes him so exciting, he is so exciting to kno
and i miss all of that, i dont kno anybody else like him and i want
him back in my life , cos its not the same without him. i dont kno why
that is so hard for some ppl to understand.
V.
-Phil Clemence
Sorry - I didn't mean to bore you with the site...
I just thought it was funny how most of those things in the article don't
seem to apply to you.
For myself, most of them do apply (or did in the past). I never had a
problem with some of them either, but I think most guys will see how most
apply to them to some degree.
I thought the site and what they are doing was good, but I figured just
knowing their goals etc was enough.
I did intend to check it out in more detail, but it was a long time ago that
I last went there...
I think it has been a couple of years since I saw it.
Oh.... and why people keep analyzing you?
Because you keep posting to alt.love !
and because people are curious about unusual things and people...
and because it is easier to analyze others than ourselves ...
etc ...
-Phil Clemence
If you were gay maybe it would be boring ...
Varizo.
> > anybody like him, he was up to allsorts, some of the things that he
> > was doing he would get into real troubel for if he was found out, but
> > it was all part of wot makes him so exciting, he is so exciting to kno
> > and i miss all of that, i dont kno anybody else like him and i want
> > him back in my life , cos its not the same without him. i dont kno why
> > that is so hard for some ppl to understand.
> > V.
>
> Sorry - I didn't mean to bore you with the site...
Well 1st of all, i replied to this about a hour ago , but google is
doing wot it usualy does and saying that somthing has been posted ,
and then i find that it hasent, [or it tells you that you need to post
it again, and so you do, and then it turns up twice]. But anyway, i
spent ages replying to this and it hasent shown up yet, [and now that
im replying to it again, it problay will hours later or in a weeks
time, its done that befo], so im going to reply to it again, cos i
dont want to hav to be hanging aournd here for hours 2nite seeing if
it turns up, cos i want to leave in a minitte, ive found out where my
GFs Dad is staying and i want to go and see him befor i go home and if
i dont hurry up he might be gone to bed when i get round there, even
tho he usualy stays up late, [its quarte to 2 in the morning now]] but
anyway, wot i was saying is that you dident bore me, its just that
none of it applys to me or to anybody who i kno, cos none of my
freinds hav got any problems w saying how they feel, even my older
freinds, they still can talk about there feelings alrite. Even Darren
who found it diffcilt *how* he felt about me, he was still abel to
tell me how he felt, even tho he dident exactly want to feel that way
about me.
> I just thought it was funny how most of those things in the article don't
> seem to apply to you.
Its not funny, its just that it was all probaly wirtten about a long
time ago, and it dont apply 2day, or praps it was ment for a diffrent
country where ppl might think diffrent about things.
> For myself, most of them do apply (or did in the past). I never had a
> problem with some of them either, but I think most guys will see how most
> apply to them to some degree.
> I thought the site and what they are doing was good, but I figured just
> knowing their goals etc was enough.
> I did intend to check it out in more detail, but it was a long time ago that
> I last went there...
> I think it has been a couple of years since I saw it.
So like i said, it was a longtiime ago.
> Oh.... and why people keep analyzing you?
> Because you keep posting to alt.love !
Well like i said the 1st time that i replied, i dont only post to alt
love, and TBone is in the goth NG anyway, and he was doing it too, and
i dont understand why ppl cant just answer a question , insted of
having to do that, but its not that i was conplaining about it, i just
cant understand why they are always analyinsg, insted of just
answering a quesiton.
> and because people are curious about unusual things and people...
> and because it is easier to analyze others than ourselves ...
> etc ...
> -Phil Clemence
> If you were gay maybe it would be boring ...
I,ll say this all again, and the fucking orriginal post will proably
turn up now, or much later, fucking stupid google, anyway, wot i was
saying about that is, that ppl think too much in terms of
stereotypes , insted of realising that ppl are diffrent and
individuyals, and that evrybodys diffrent, and sociaty is wot is wrong
to think that ppl hav to be a certain way ackording to if theyr male
or female , or wot race they are, or wot age they are, socitay will
exspect ppl to behave in a certtain way, or to think in a certain way,
ackording to wot catagorey [race, age, sex, wotever] sombody comes
into, and sociaty is wrong to do that, cos its exspecting evrybody to
be programmed in a certain way and to act how they hav been programmed
to act by sociaty, and ppl should be left alone to be thereselves and
to grow up how they want to be, not to wot is exspected of them, ppl
should keep there minds free and not put so many restricktions on ppl,
theres not enuff freedom in the world as it is, and i think that the
fact that ppl think in terms of steretypes is wot causes more problems
in the world than anything else realy. [Im ready to copy and paste
this fucker in case google loses this one as well]!!!!!
V.
Varizo.
> > him back in my life , cos its not the same without him. i dont kno why
> > that is so hard for some ppl to understand.
> > V.
>
> Sorry - I didn't mean to bore you with the site...
No you dident, its just that none of it realy applys to me, or anybody
that i kno realy, i dont kno anybody who has troubel saying wot they
feel, even Darren was abel to tell me how he felt even tho he had a
problem with feeling that way about me. I hav met ppl who hav ahd
problems w how they feel and couldent admit to it either, but none of
them hav been freinds of mine, none of my freinds hav got aproblme w
saying how they feel about anything. not even my older freinds, praps
its diffrent in other countrys.
> I just thought it was funny how most of those things in the article don't
> seem to apply to you.
I dont think that its funny, not realy, it might of been written a
long time ago. Or in a diffrent country where ppl are taught to hide
wot they feel, ive always said wot i feel, if ppl like it or not.
> For myself, most of them do apply (or did in the past). I never had a
> problem with some of them either, but I think most guys will see how most
> apply to them to some degree.
> I thought the site and what they are doing was good, but I figured just
> knowing their goals etc was enough.
> I did intend to check it out in more detail, but it was a long time ago that
> I last went there...
See? It was written a long time ago! I wouldent of thoutht that that
sort of thing would apply 2day.
> I think it has been a couple of years since I saw it.
> Oh.... and why people keep analyzing you?
> Because you keep posting to alt.love !
I dont just post in alt love tho, TBone is in the goth NG, he was
doing it too. I wasent realy conplaining about it, i just cant
understand why ppl do it, its like insted of answering a question,
they want to ananlise insted.
> and because people are curious about unusual things and people...
> and because it is easier to analyze others than ourselves ...
> etc ...
> -Phil Clemence
> If you were gay maybe it would be boring ...
I think that ppl think too much in terms of stereotypes and think that
evrything is just either one thing or the other, and exspect ppl to be
a certain way, ackording to wot there own expectateions are, and
evrybodys diffremt and should keep there minds free to the fact that
not evrybody is going to be some steretype of wot sociaty might
exspect ackording to if theyr male or female or wot race they are, or
age or wotever, i think that that sort of thing is wot causes more
problems than anything else in the world.
V.
Varizo.
> > anybody like him, he was up to allsorts, some of the things that he
> > was doing he would get into real troubel for if he was found out, but
> > it was all part of wot makes him so exciting, he is so exciting to kno
> > and i miss all of that, i dont kno anybody else like him and i want
> > him back in my life , cos its not the same without him. i dont kno why
> > that is so hard for some ppl to understand.
> > V.
>
> Sorry - I didn't mean to bore you with the site...
Well 1st of all, i replied to this about a hour ago , but google is
doing wot it usualy does and saying that somthing has been posted ,
and then i find that it hasent, [or it tells you that you need to post
it again, and so you do, and then it turns up twice]. But anyway, i
spent ages replying to this and it hasent shown up yet, [and now that
im replying to it again, it problay will hours later or in a weeks
time, its done that befo], so im going to reply to it again, cos i
dont want to hav to be hanging aournd here for hours 2nite seeing if
it turns up, cos i want to leave in a minitte, ive found out where my
GFs Dad is staying and i want to go and see him befor i go home and if
i dont hurry up he might be gone to bed when i get round there, even
tho he usualy stays up late, [its quarte to 2 in the morning now]] but
anyway, wot i was saying is that you dident bore me, its just that
none of it applys to me or to anybody who i kno, cos none of my
freinds hav got any problems w saying how they feel, even my older
freinds, they still can talk about there feelings alrite. Even Darren
who found it diffcilt *how* he felt about me, he was still abel to
tell me how he felt, even tho he dident exactly want to feel that way
about me.
> I just thought it was funny how most of those things in the article don't
> seem to apply to you.
Its not funny, its just that it was all probaly wirtten about a long
time ago, and it dont apply 2day, or praps it was ment for a diffrent
country where ppl might think diffrent about things.
> For myself, most of them do apply (or did in the past). I never had a
> problem with some of them either, but I think most guys will see how most
> apply to them to some degree.
> I thought the site and what they are doing was good, but I figured just
> knowing their goals etc was enough.
> I did intend to check it out in more detail, but it was a long time ago that
> I last went there...
> I think it has been a couple of years since I saw it.
So like i said, it was a longtiime ago.
> Oh.... and why people keep analyzing you?
> Because you keep posting to alt.love !
Well like i said the 1st time that i replied, i dont only post to alt
love, and TBone is in the goth NG anyway, and he was doing it too, and
i dont understand why ppl cant just answer a question , insted of
having to do that, but its not that i was conplaining about it, i just
cant understand why they are always analyinsg, insted of just
answering a quesiton.
> and because people are curious about unusual things and people...
> and because it is easier to analyze others than ourselves ...
> etc ...
> -Phil Clemence
> If you were gay maybe it would be boring ...
I,ll say this all again, and the fucking orriginal post will proably
T.Bone
Ah yes, I recall following a link you had posted, which took me to the
thread in alt. love. It was there that I replied. I didn't check again
until after Xmas and had forgotten I had posted the replies to you in
the other news group, hence the confusion. My apologies.
ReVulse
> Ah yes, I recall following a link you had posted, which took me to the
> thread in alt. love. It was there that I replied. I didn't check again
> until after Xmas and had forgotten I had posted the replies to you in
> the other news group, hence the confusion. My apologies.
Why don't you and Varizo get a room ?
Preferably one that's airtight.
--
#Andy#
T.Bone
SNIP
> > "whisky-dave" says
> > > "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > >news:1172289353.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Thanx, im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there,
>
> > > Is there much point then as some prefer to only post to the groups they
> > > visit,
>
> > Well i dont hav time to go there myself but i see that a lot gets
> > Xposted from there, from ppl like Jennie who are alrite and would giv
> > a sensibal answer if they knew anything helpful to say.
I'm sure if anyone from alt. gothic knew how to help you in your quest
to track down your friend, they would have suggested something by now.
SNIP
> > I kno wot hes like , hes done allsorts of stupid things, [like going
> > round smashing car windows cos he hates them being parked evrywehre]
> > but all that is part of wot makes him who he is, and i cant help it
> > but i like all that about him, i just worry that he,ll get into
> > troubel if hes caught doing that sort of thing, hes already in troubel
> > as it is for other stupid things that hes done, but all of that is
> > some of wot is so exciting about him, and hes such fun to be with, hes
> > hilarious and ever so witty and i loved being with him, how i felt
> > just hanging around with him , was so special, it just felt *right*
> > being with him, i dont realy kno how to explain it, i felt as tho we
> > belonged 2gether, i kno that i use to feel that about my GF but i
> > dont kno how i feel about her anymore, shes realy upset me adn i cant
> > feel the same now.
Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
> > Dyou mean why should she love sombody who has got a criminal as a
> > close freind? Hes not realy a criminal, hes just done stupid things,
These "stupid things" _are_ criminal though. If he is caught smashing
windows of parked cars, then he most certainly will end up with a
crimianl record, and deservedly so.
> > i use
> > to take things from shops as well but never got caught but Darren has
> > only got to walk into a shop anyway and looking like a typickal chav
> > they are suspisious of him anyway so its not so easy for him to get
> > away with taking anything, i use to get watched too a lot of the time
> > but im good at acting realy innocent so i could fool ppl more easily
> > nto trusting me
As I have often suspected, you are definitely a bit of a bad boy
yourself! ;-)
That can be very appealing, but in the case of your friend, he's a
little too bad for his own good. Petty thieving from shops is one
thing, but mindless vandalism is quite another.
> > dont agree when ppl say stay away from sombody cos they are bad , cos
> > the right ppl can make a diffrence if they care enuff about
> > you.
Maybe so, but not in every case. You need to tread very carefully
before thinking about being a stabilising influence on someone, and I
think this is what you are thinking. For one thing, you need to be
pretty stable yourself, and though I wouldn't say you are unstable
particularly, you are certainly very emotional, - not a bad thing in
and of itself - but I doubt you could make very much difference to his
behaviour. If he changes for the better, he has to want to do it for
himself, not because he feels pressurised into it by another person.
He would merely come to resent you if he feels his behaviour is being
restricted to keep you happy.
Incidentally V, it has occurred to me, your friend is no doubt in
receipt of some kind of state benefit, (from what you have said, it
doesn't sound as though he is working at all), why not contact your
local DSS office, give them his name and former address, they will
have him listed if he is drawing benefit, they will not give you
information as to his whereabouts now for reasons of confidentiality,
but I'm sure if you wrote him a note and asked them to forward it on
to him they should have no reason to object to such a request.
You could also, of course, scour the local press for the reported
court cases and see if he is being charged with anything. If so, it
should give the name of any solicitor representing his defence. Find
out if the solicitor is working under his or her own name or as part
of a firm of solicitors, you should be able to find this out at a
local CAB, then contact the solicitor asking if they would be prepared
to forward on to him any letter you may care to write.
The best bet though is most likely the local DSS Office or Job Centre.
They should most definitely have him on their database.
T.Bone
SNIP
> ive found out where my
> GFs Dad is staying and i want to go and see him befor i go home and if
> i dont hurry up he might be gone to bed when i get round there, even
> tho he usualy stays up late, [its quarte to 2 in the morning now]]
Please tell me you didn't call round to see your girlfriend's father
at such a time. If merely talking to him in their family home caused
such a ruckus before, think how it will look if you turn up to see him
wherever else he is staying - presumably alone - in the _early hours
of the morning_! This would not be a wise move at all.
If you must call round to see him, at least do it at a reasonable
hour. Unless, of course, you and he would be keeping any late night
meetings a secret, which would most decidedly _not_ be a wise move.
Sometimes it pays to think before you act, rather than go rushing in,
only to come to regret it later.
SNIP
> Well like i said the 1st time that i replied, i dont only post to alt
> love, and TBone is in the goth NG anyway, and he was doing it too, and
> i dont understand why ppl cant just answer a question , insted of
> having to do that, but its not that i was conplaining about it, i just
> cant understand why they are always analyinsg, insted of just
> answering a quesiton.
I am sorry. I didn't mean to cause any offence, but you are a most
interesting person who people will try to analyse because they find it
hard to understand you. Please note this is not in any way a criticism
of you, quite the reverse actually! ;-)
SNIP
> socitay will
> exspect ppl to behave in a certtain way, or to think in a certain way,
> ackording to wot catagorey [race, age, sex, wotever] sombody comes
> into, and sociaty is wrong to do that, cos its exspecting evrybody to
> be programmed in a certain way and to act how they hav been programmed
> to act by sociaty, and ppl should be left alone to be thereselves and
> to grow up how they want to be, not to wot is exspected of them, ppl
> should keep there minds free and not put so many restricktions on ppl,
> theres not enuff freedom in the world as it is, and i think that the
> fact that ppl think in terms of steretypes is wot causes more problems
> in the world than anything else realy.
There is much truth in what you say there, but we all do the
stereotyping of others to a greater or lesser degree. It's part of
being human I'm afraid. :-)
Dr Walpurgis
>> ive found out where my
>> GFs Dad is staying and i want to go and see him befor i go home and if
>> i dont hurry up he might be gone to bed when i get round there, even
>> tho he usualy stays up late, [its quarte to 2 in the morning now
>
> Please tell me you didn't call round to see your girlfriend's father
> at such a time. If merely talking to him in their family home caused
> such a ruckus before, think how it will look if you turn up to see him
> wherever else he is staying - presumably alone - in the _early hours
> of the morning_! This would not be a wise move at all.
> If you must call round to see him, at least do it at a reasonable
> hour. Unless, of course, you and he would be keeping any late night
> meetings a secret, which would most decidedly _not_ be a wise move.
> Sometimes it pays to think before you act, rather than go rushing in,
> only to come to regret it later.
>
>> Well like i said the 1st time that i replied, i dont only post to alt
>> love, and TBone is in the goth NG anyway, and he was doing it too, and
>> i dont understand why ppl cant just answer a question , insted of
>> having to do that, but its not that i was conplaining about it, i just
>> cant understand why they are always analyinsg, insted of just
>> answering a quesiton.
>
> I am sorry. I didn't mean to cause any offence, but you are a most
> interesting person who people will try to analyse because they find it
> hard to understand you. Please note this is not in any way a criticism
> of you, quite the reverse actually! ;-)
>
>> socitay will
>> exspect ppl to behave in a certtain way, or to think in a certain way,
>> ackording to wot catagorey [race, age, sex, wotever] sombody comes
>> into, and sociaty is wrong to do that, cos its exspecting evrybody to
>> be programmed in a certain way and to act how they hav been programmed
>> to act by sociaty, and ppl should be left alone to be thereselves and
>> to grow up how they want to be, not to wot is exspected of them, ppl
>> should keep there minds free and not put so many restricktions on ppl,
>> theres not enuff freedom in the world as it is, and i think that the
>> fact that ppl think in terms of steretypes is wot causes more problems
>> in the world than anything else realy.
>
> There is much truth in what you say there, but we all do the
> stereotyping of others to a greater or lesser degree. It's part of
> being human I'm afraid. :-)
Why the hell do you think anyone in alt.horror GIVES A MONKEY'S about
your GROOMING of that IDLE FECKLESS DOLE SCUM, you CROSS-POSTING NONCE?
The only advice worth a shit that VARHOMO has ever received (and the
USELESS WASTE OF BIKER'S MUCK has RECEIVED IT IN ABUNDANCE) is for
him/her/IT to KILL ITSELF. Unless you're posting to report that
EVENTUALITY to the DELIGHT of the OVERBURDENED BRITISH TAX-PAYER, FUCK
OFF.
--
"That's great. But if you didn't buy my book, I'm not interested in
your bullshit, you nameless douche bag. - "Gene" Gregorits, 29/12/06
oldgoth
> Why the hell do you think anyone in alt.horror GIVES A MONKEY'S about
> your GROOMING of that IDLE FECKLESS DOLE SCUM, you CROSS-POSTING NONCE?
Can I upg to that?
-Phil Clemence
"Dr Walpurgis" <burke.d...@cunting.hun> wrote in message
news:2007031417580916807-burkedennings@cuntinghun...
LOL
alt.love vs. alt.horror
Sometimes they could be the same group
For those who might not respond well to the above brutal thrashing ...
Crossposting DOES make a mess.
Out of general respect don't do it (and if you don't have any don't expect
any).
Please take the time to copy and repost to relevant groups.
If you reply , please try to remember to strip out groups to which others
crosspost.
umm...
Well, it would be pointless if I did that with this response, wouldn't it?
-Phil Clemence
T.Bone
> "Dr Walpurgis" <burke.denni...@cunting.hun> wrote in message
I merely replied to V, I didn't check the news group line. Generally
speaking, I don't have any real objections, as such, to crossposting,
though see no need to use the process myself as I only read UPG, but
as it appears you are in alt. lovve, it would be pointless if I only
sent this reply to UPG.
As regards alt. horror, if I notice that nasty little news group in a
cross post, I would normally snip it out, but I'm afraid I don't
always think to check, assuming that I am replying from UPG _to_ UPG.
I wouldn't, anyway, set any store by anything posted by "Dr.
Walpurgis". He is a troll from alt. horror, who has on many occasions
seen fit to inflict his good self into discussions going on here at
UPG, even though he is not a member of UPG. He has then crossposted
his reply into alt. horror, when the conversation he decided to
intrude upon, was taking place solely in UPG between two of the
regular posters here and had no relevance whatsoever to his news
group. His posts are usually made all in upper case and are repetitive
and boring. There are always, though, other folk, who enjoy his
nonsense and encourage him. Sadly.
Dr Walpurgis
Spoken like a true SPASTIC PAEDO GROOMER.
ReVulse
> I wouldn't, anyway, set any store by anything posted by "Dr.
> Walpurgis". He is a troll from alt. horror, who has on many occasions
> seen fit to inflict his good self into discussions going on here at
> UPG
So in a nutshell your complaint is that his contribution to the group is
off-topic and unwanted. So how does that differ from you or Varizo ?
From now on, I suggest you and Varizo post solely to alt.love as
no-one in UPG gives a crap about either of you.
--
#Andy#
Dr Walpurgis
<ReV...@psychaoticREMOVE.fsnet.co.uk> said:
>> I wouldn't, anyway, set any store by anything posted by "Dr.
>> Walpurgis". He is a troll from alt. horror, who has on many occasions
>> seen fit to inflict his good self into discussions going on here at
>> UPG
>
> So in a nutshell your complaint is that his contribution to the group is
> off-topic and unwanted. So how does that differ from you or Varizo ?
> From now on, I suggest you and Varizo post solely to alt.love as
> no-one in UPG gives a crap about either of you.
A RIGHT PAIR of RAMBLING NAMBLAS.
oldgoth
>
> From now on, I suggest you and Varizo post solely to alt.love as
> no-one in UPG gives a crap about either of you.
>
Great idea.
-Phil Clemence
Well, I stripped out the other groups before I started typing this reply
(maybe I can start a habit.)
If I make a reply I am usually thinking about the subject and by the time I
manage to type something that makes any sense at all, I hit 'send' before
my mind wanders off like some poor Alzheimer's patient.
I crossposted every reply for a long time and it is only now that I see I
might be able to help prevent some.
In the past, if I saw a new thread starting with "Re: ...", I figured I just
missed the first post(s) and when I first realized they were crossposts I
did not bother to search for the origins.
I am sure I will slip up a lot, but catching a few is better than none.
Too bad I can't set the program (Outlook Express) to force me to fill in the
newsgroup.
Oh well... See you around ... here or there .. ;-)
-Phil Clemence
P.S. The only problem is that I stripped out all but alt.love, where I saw
this, while you said you only read alt.gothic ..
maybe it is too much for me! ;-)
Varizo.
> On 15 Mar, 03:10, "-Phil Clemence" <m...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > alt.love vs. alt.horror
> > Sometimes they could be the same group
>
> > For those who might not respond well to the above brutal thrashing ...
> > Crossposting DOES make a mess.
> > Out of general respect don't do it (and if you don't have any don't expect
> > any).
> > Please take the time to copy and repost to relevant groups.
> > If you reply , please try to remember to strip out groups to which others
> > crosspost.
> > umm...
> > Well, it would be pointless if I did that with this response, wouldn't > > it?
Totally. So dont worry about the Xposts, i havent got time to go
around looking for diffrent replys in all the diffrent NGs to the same
thread. And wot gets me is that it wasent me who Xposted this to alt
horror in the 1st place!!!!, it was that stupid *bob* bloke from alt
gothic who did
that, cos he thought that he was pissing me off by doing it, but
actuyaly i dont giv a fucking toss about him doing it. So befor
anybody starts getting all huffy about Xposts, i wasent the one who
put alt horror into this thread, i havent been to alt horror for weeks
and weeks, cos i havent watched any movies for weekes andn weeks now
and cant get intressted in any so i got no reason to go in alt
horror , and as for wallpugiss, hes just a sad fucking cunt who spends
his whole life on the itnernet. U should realy just feel sorry for ppl
like him, [well if he wasent such a tosser].
> I merely replied to V, I didn't check the news group line. Generally
> speaking, I don't have any real objections, as such, to crossposting,
> though see no need to use the process myself as I only read UPG, but
> as it appears you are in alt. lovve, it would be pointless if I only
> sent this reply to UPG.
Like i just said to Phil, it would be totally pointless, who wants to
muck around like that, having to look at the same thread in loads of
diffrent NGs??? This is wot Xposting is for! To save having to do
that.
> As regards alt. horror, if I notice that nasty little news group in a
> cross post, I would normally snip it out, but I'm afraid I don't
> always think to check, assuming that I am replying from UPG _to_ UPG.
> I wouldn't, anyway, set any store by anything posted by "Dr.
> Walpurgis". He is a troll from alt. horror, who has on many occasions
> seen fit to inflict his good self into discussions going on here at
> UPG, even though he is not a member of UPG. He has then crossposted
> his reply into alt. horror, when the conversation he decided to
> intrude upon, was taking place solely in UPG between two of the
> regular posters here and had no relevance whatsoever to his news
> group.
Exactly! he comes around trolling into the goth NG , and joining in
with things that are nothing to do with him , and then he goes and
makes a Xpost into alt horror himself, when there wasent one befor!!
Wot a fucking hypocritt!!!!
> His posts are usually made all in upper case and are repetitive
> and boring.
Ha, yeh, that too!!! Is upper case capitols? Hes always doiing that,
that is shouting on the internet, and i fucking hate it when ppl do
that. Can you imaginne wot the scumbags here would say if i started
posting things all in capitols??!!!!
> There are always, though, other folk, who enjoy his
> nonsense and encourage him. Sadly.
Well the only one who i can think of is revullsiv, and thats only cos
he goes to alt horror too and wellcomes wallpugiss when he turns up
trolling in the goth NG, and the main reason being, that revullsiv has
been obsessed with me for fucking yrs and yrs and has never been abel
to make me like him, and so he resents me for that, and so he clings
onto anybody who ever critissises me cos he thinks that that makes
them his *freind*. Its so pathetick realy. I hav to just feel sorry
for bitter ppl like them, cos they *are* bitter or they wouldent be so
full of resentment and hate like wot they are.
V.
Varizo.
I can go one better than that, i suggest that you and wallpugiss fucks
off and dies, cos nobody would giv a toss about it if you did!!!!
[And oh yeh, piss off scumbag!!! And mind your own fucking
business]!!!
V.
PS And no fucking prizes for anybody who just fucking *knew* that
revullisv would just *hav* to jump in at that point and stick his nose
in where its not wanted. Nosey cunt!
Varizo.
> Well, I stripped out the other groups before I started typing this reply
Why? Honestley Phil, just ignore ppl like wallpugiss, he livs in alt
horror and all that he ever does there is to try and drive away
anybody new who turns up who actualy seems worthwhile. He thinks that
hes some sort of *exspert* on horror movies, and all that he is is a
liv in troll in alt horror, and like TBone says, he comes trolling
aorund into the goth NG, and why??? For no other reason than that i am
there. Ppl like him, and revullsiv, follows me around like somthing
that ive stepped in. If they dident want to see me, then they
wouldent be following me around the way that tehy do. Spesialy
revullsiv, he use to do google searches to try an find out where i was
posting to and then he would follow me there so that he could join in
wiht somthing to start trying to cause torubl . Hes a sad obsessed
wanker.
> (maybe I can start a habit.)
Dont. Xposting should be used for wot its ment for, when you want to
say the same thing to diffrent NGs but not hav to spend hours saying
the same thing to diffrent ones, and diffrent ppl from diffrent NGs
hav often had intressting conversations wi each other cos of some
Xpost, often one that i started, its only the nasty spiteful bitter
ppl, or trolls like wallpugiss who trys to dissrupt things to cause
trouble, its there way of trying to be control freaks. They dont
control anything else in there lives, so they try to control the
internet insted. I go to alt romance as well, and theres nothing wrong
with talking about somthing in a Xpost to that NG and alt love cos
they are both dealing with the same sort of subjects.
> I haven't read anything form alt.horror
Your not missing much!!! Just wallpugiss telling anybody who asks a
serious question about some movie that they want to kno about, he will
just tell them to look on the fridge, its so fucking stupid, and the
sad thing is is that he actualy thinks that hes witty and funny, and
hes not, hes dirven ppl away to rec arts horror movies cos they are so
fed up with him and his stupid shite, and then you get revullsiv
hanging on his evry word like a dog that he owns , its pathetick,
some of th ppl there are alrite [like Bonestructure and Lynn, but they
are ppl who are genuinne and not just liv in trolls like loads of them
are].
V.
Varizo.
> On 13 Mar, 04:57, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > ive found out where my
> > GFs Dad is staying and i want to go and see him befor i go home and if
> > i dont hurry up he might be gone to bed when i get round there, even
> > tho he usualy stays up late, [its quarte to 2 in the morning now]]
>
> at such a time. If merely talking to him in their family home caused
> such a ruckus before, think how it will look if you turn up to see him
> wherever else he is staying - presumably alone - in the _early hours
> of the morning_! This would not be a wise move at all.
> If you must call round to see him, at least do it at a reasonable
> hour. Unless, of course, you and he would be keeping any late night
> meetings a secret, which would most decidedly _not_ be a wise move.
> Sometimes it pays to think before you act, rather than go rushing in,
> only to come to regret it later.
Well actualy for one thing that was a typeing misstake, it should of
said 3 not 2, it was nearly 20 past 3 in the morning when i got round
to see him , so yes i did go round there to see him in the middle of
the nite, and he was realy realy pleased to see me. And, this is
the realy funny thing, he said that he knew that id come! How that
came about, was id been talking about Darren and how i feel about
evrything to do with him and how i cant stand feeling liek this and
how i want to see him, and wish that hed come back into the area to
liv again, and how i want to find out where he is and all that, and i
also said to him that i dident kno why i think so much about Darren
and why i like him so much, cos i never use to like chavs at all and
he is such a typickal one, and i just said, not being serious, that
its like hed put a spell on me or somthing, to make me like him as
much as i do, cos i realy cant stop thinking about him, its been
monthes now and i still think about him all the time, and keep crying
about it, the fact that hes gone somwhere else and i dont kno where
and havent seen him for monthes, and when i said that, about the
spell, i was only saying it as a sort of joke, and obvioulsy dident
mean it seriously, but Kirstys dad said that maybe he had, and why
dident i do a spell to bring him back or to make him come and see me.
And i couldnet beleive that he was being serious , but he was, and i
just said that i couldent do that, and he said why not, and i said
that for one thing i wouldent kno how to, and wot would be the point
cos things like that dont work anyway, and thats when he just looked
at me all sort of smug and said dont they? and i dident kno wot to
say , so then he said to me , well your here arnt you?!! And i said
wot? i was like wot, i dident kno wot to say, cos it was like he was
saying that hed put some sort of spell on me to make me go round to
see him and i coudlent believe it, it made me feel realy uncomfortabal
and i felt weird, and just kept saying , wot? And he just laughed and
said that things like that work if you kno wot your doing and as long
as its nothing bad like to harm anybody, he said that if its wot the
other person wants , then its perfectley alrite to do that sort of
thing, and he said that as i kno that Darren likes me but that he
thinks that i hate him, then i should use a spell to make him want to
come and see me cos its not making him do anything that he wouldent
want to do , but hes probaly just not bothering cos he thinks that i
wouldnet want him to, but that if i do that, then somthing will make
him decide to come round and see me anyway. And then when i asked him
wot hed done, he said that he knew that i liked talking to him and
that we got on realy well but that his family [mainly Kirsty and her
mother, his son Peter is not realy that botherd and keeps out of it as
much as possibal] but anyway he said that he could tell that i liked
talking to him and that i woudl want to see him but that the family
would be trying to stop me and him from seeing each other, so he said
he used a sort of spell so that i would find out where he was staying
and would go round to see him, whcih explains why he wasent realy that
surprised when i turned up!
In a way, it realy un nerved me, i never thought that anythihng liek
that worked and hav never even thought anything about that sort of
thing, i dont believe for one minitte that Darren realy has put a
spell on me, at least not on purpose, he wouldent be mucking about w
things like that, hes the last sort of person who would, i just
wonderd if its that we r soulmates, i use to think that me and Kirsty
were, but i dont think so now, so i dont even kno wot i think about
soulmates anymore, or if anybody realy is anybody elses soulmate, or
if its just somthing that ppl hav invented when they feel realy realy
close to sombody and think that there is somthing more to it, but the
thing that i am wondering about now, is this spell thing, its not like
i felt conpeld to go round to see Kirstys father or anything, its just
that i found out where hes staying, just by chance realy, and as far
as i knew id made up my own mind to go and see him, but he said that
me finding out was a coeinsidence, but that that is how it works, and
he said that i wouldent of felt conpeld to go and see him cos it
wouldent of been against my will, he said that he knew that i would
want to see him but that his family were going to try and make it
inpossibal or at least v v difficult so that all he did was to giv me
and him a helping hand, he said that hed always liked me but where hed
never got around to talking to me in any depth or for any length of
time befor that he had never realy thought much about me befor, but
when we talked he was aware o fthe closeness there and he wasent
preparrd to let his family get in the way of that. Its creeped me out
a bit cos i been thinking about him a lot as well as thinking about
Darren, and i cant understand it, and now im wondering if im thinking
about him cos i genuinnley feel close to him , like wot i thought,
that he is sombody who understands , who listens to me and understands
my feelings, or if its just that im thinking about him cos hes put
some sort of spell on me to *make* me think about him. How woudl i kno
the diffrence?? Its somthing that is worrying me now. I hope that
sombody can see this who might kno about this sort of thing, who can
say somthing serious about it, cos this is somthing that is all new to
me. I kno he said that it only works if its wot both the ppl concernd
want, and it wont work if its not wot they want or against there will,
or that would do any harm, but if its just for a good reason then its
alrite to use it, but youve got to be sure of the other persons
feelings , cos if you used it to make sombody like you then things
would go v v wrong with it all if they dident liek you anyway, but he
said if its just to giv a helping hand to 2 ppl who like each other
but for wotever reason cant get 2gether, tehn its alrite to use it to
brign them 2gethr , like how he used it to bring me to him, and he
said that as Darren already knows where i am, then i could use it to
make him come and see me, [as long as hes not been caught by the
police and is in troubel for anything but even then it would make him
want to contact me, like writeing a letter to me]. Please is there
anybody who knows anything about this sort of thing? Kirstys dad said
that he will help me with it if i want to use a spell, but i realy
dont kno wot i think about it, it seems so weird, and a bit creepy, if
you can manipulate ppl like that from a disstance, its a bit
frightning realy, but i might try it, i just dont kno, its given me
somthing to think about that i would never of thought about befor, but
id be a bit scared i think, even tho Kirstys dad has said that theres
nothing to be scared about as long as you kno wot your doing.
V.
Varizo.
> On 10 Mar, 02:50, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > I kno wot hes like , hes done allsorts of stupid things, [like going
> > > round smashing car windows cos he hates them being parked evrywehre]
> > > but all that is part of wot makes him who he is, and i cant help it
> > > but i like all that about him, i just worry that he,ll get into
> > > troubel if hes caught doing that sort of thing, hes already in troubel
> > > as it is for other stupid things that hes done, but all of that is
> > > some of wot is so exciting about him, and hes such fun to be with, hes
> > > hilarious and ever so witty and i loved being with him, how i felt
> > > just hanging around with him , was so special, it just felt *right*
> > > being with him, i dont realy kno how to explain it, i felt as tho we
> > > belonged 2gether, i kno that i use to feel that about my GF but i
> > > dont kno how i feel about her anymore, shes realy upset me adn i cant
> > > feel the same now.
>
> Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
No. At least nothing thats worth mentionning, im not sure wot you
mean? Ive never said anything about her doing that sort of thing.
> > > i use
> > > to take things from shops as well but never got caught but Darren has
> > > only got to walk into a shop anyway and looking like a typickal chav
> > > they are suspisious of him anyway so its not so easy for him to get
> > > away with taking anything, i use to get watched too a lot of the time
> > > but im good at acting realy innocent so i could fool ppl more easily
> > > nto trusting me
>
> As I have often suspected, you are definitely a bit of a bad boy
> yourself! ;-)
> That can be very appealing, but in the case of your friend, he's a
> little too bad for his own good. Petty thieving from shops is one
> thing, but mindless vandalism is quite another.
I wouldent call it *mindless* tho. He knows wot hes doing, he does it
for a reason. He dosent like cars, and he hates it wehn tehy are
parked all around all over th place.
> He would merely come to resent you if he feels his behaviour is being
> restricted to keep you happy.
I wouldent be trying to restrict his behavioiur tho, i just think
that he does a lot of the things he does cos hes not that happy, and
if me and him were settled in a proper close relationship , where hes
sure of me, then he wouldent hav the need to go out and do alot of the
things that he does, cos he would feel more settled in himself , for
one thing. So he proably wouldnt hav the need to go out and do some
of the things that hes done cos he wouldent feel like doing that sort
of thing so much anymore. Im sure of that.
> Incidentally V, it has occurred to me, your friend is no doubt in
> receipt of some kind of state benefit, (from what you have said, it
> doesn't sound as though he is working at all), why not contact your
> local DSS office, give them his name and former address, they will
> have him listed if he is drawing benefit, they will not give you
> information as to his whereabouts now for reasons of confidentiality,
> but I'm sure if you wrote him a note and asked them to forward it on
> to him they should have no reason to object to such a request.
> You could also, of course, scour the local press for the reported
> court cases and see if he is being charged with anything. If so, it
> should give the name of any solicitor representing his defence. Find
> out if the solicitor is working under his or her own name or as part
> of a firm of solicitors, you should be able to find this out at a
> local CAB, then contact the solicitor asking if they would be prepared
> to forward on to him any letter you may care to write.
> The best bet though is most likely the local DSS Office or Job Centre.
> They should most definitely have him on their database.
Thanx, thats somthing that i hadent thought of, but realy i dont want
to hav to write him a letter, if they would just tell me wot area that
hes in now, [which you can bet, they wont do]!! then i could go there
and hang around in the town and hope that id see him somwhere, but i
dont want to hav to write a letter, that would make it look like im
being realy pathetick and desperatte to see him and i dont want him
thinking that. Ive got pride, i dont want to hav to do anything
deffinitte like that, that is realy saying how much he means to me
and id feel abit stupid doing that cos that would giv him the power
over me to be a bit nasty if he felt like it, and im not saying that
he would, but just in case, im not giving him the chance, and i dont
do that sort of thing, not act all pathetick towards sombody when we
havent got to the stage of being in a proper commitid relationship
yet. [Anyway, after talking to Kirstys dad, [about the spell thing]
im thinking of trying that, cos its weird how he used it to enabel me
to find out where he was staying and to get me to go and see him ,
even tho as far as im concernd, it was just me making up my own mind
to go and see him, after finding out by chance where he was staying,
but wot he told me, seems realy weird, but could also be just a
coeinsidence, cos i could of found out anyway like i did, it wasent
inpossibal, but could o fbeen just coeinsidence, but then he says that
that is how it works, but its not somthing that i kno anything about,
which is why ive asked about it in that other reply that i made in alt
love about half an hour ago. {I nearly missed this post of yours by
teh way, cos it wasent in alt love, that is why i like Xposting, cos i
can t always look at evry post from evrybody in a long thread like
htis is truning out to be , if some fo rthe replys are only in some
NGs and other s in diffrent ones, thats why i like to keep them all
2gether in the same Xpost, so that then i can just look at this in
one NG, but it means that you get more input and if theres enuff
genuinne ppl replying they can talk to each other too, and othr ppl
can giv helpful comments that way, that woiuldent of seen each other
if it hadent of been for the Xposts].
V.
Varizo.
Thats alrite, it dident matter, its just that i remerber you posting
it befor. Actualy, i want to kno wot can be done about the prejudiss
towards young ppl, spesialy if they look a certain way. The police can
move ppl on if they are in groups of more than about 2 or 3 ppl, and
old ppl dont want to see young ppl sitting on benches anywhere cos
they are supposed to feel *intimdated* by seeing them there. I cant go
into it all now cos i havent got time cos i want to go home in a
minitte, but it is prejudiss and i want to kno wot can be done about
taht sort of thing, if anybody said that they dident want to see old
ppl sitting aorund in the towns, or groups of wmen then sombody would
soon hav somthing to say about that. Im fed up with the way that young
ppl are being disscrimated against and nobody saying anything about
it. There must be somthing that can be done to stop it, its ileagal
surely.
V.
Bob Terwilliger
>> Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
>
> No. At least nothing thats worth mentionning, im not sure wot you
> mean? Ive never said anything about her doing that sort of thing.
You're thick as a post, aren't you? T.bone is saying that she's BETTER than
your little criminal vandalizing chav, no matter how badly you ache for him.
> Thanx, thats somthing that i hadent thought of, but realy i dont want
> to hav to write him a letter, if they would just tell me wot area that
> hes in now, [which you can bet, they wont do]!! then i could go there
> and hang around in the town and hope that id see him somwhere, but i
> dont want to hav to write a letter, that would make it look like im
> being realy pathetick and desperatte to see him and i dont want him
> thinking that.
Besides, given your pathetic writing ability and his likely poor reading
ability, how would he manage to get through your letter? Really, though,
look what you wrote: "i could go there and hang around in the town and hope
that id see him somwhere, but i dont want to hav to write a letter, that
would make it look like im being realy pathetick and desperatte to see him."
You *are* pathetic and desperate. You LIVE for the moment that your eyes
meet and you can finally tell him how much you love him, and how you've
given up your girlfriend because you finally realized that HE is the one you
want.
> Ive got pride, i dont want to hav to do anything deffinitte like that,
> that is realy saying how much he means to me and id feel abit stupid doing
> that cos that would giv him the power over me to be a bit nasty if he felt
> like it, and im not saying that he would, but just in case, im not giving
> him the chance, and i dont do that sort of thing, not act all pathetick
> towards sombody when we havent got to the stage of being in a proper
> commitid relationship yet.
Your "pride" is worthless. Do you suppose he'll NEVER read the things you
write here? Besides, all the posturing and power-playing that you think
you're doing will completely fall apart when he puts his tongue in your
mouth. But before that happens, I really think that you should spend a week
with T.bone. Don't you want to repay him for his love and support? All he
wants is a cuddle and a happy ending.
Bob
T.Bone
Ignore the trolls. You've been doing so well up until now.
T.Bone
Oh my giddy aunt! Please V, take stock of what I am going to say to
you. You have an infatuation with your chav friend that has gone on
rather a long time, admittedly; but to talk about spells and such
like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
lies madness.
Your girlfriend's father sounds a thoroughly nasty character, highly
manipulative and selfish, and certainly uncaring towards his family.
How he can even suggest such an outlandish thing is beyond
comprehension, and to admit that he actually performed some kind of
_black magic_ in the belief that he would entice you into visiting him
late at night, and obviously hopes he can lure you into some kind of
relationship with him, in spite of the fact that you have been
involved in a long-standing relationship with his own _daughter_, is
indicative of a morally baankrupt character.
I think you certainly do have an unfortunate choice of friends, your
girlfriend leaves a lot to be desired, your chav friend should be
avoided like the plague, but your girlfriends father is truly beyond
the pale. Cunning, devious, and downright sinister are words that
spring to mind.
I have come to realise you won't take a blind bit of notice, but
please try to think logically about this. Finish with your girlfriend,
have nothing more to do with her treacherous father, and give yourself
time to get over the break up of your very short lived relationship
with Darren. Things really will get better with time, believe me. :-)
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 Mar, 02:50, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > I kno wot hes like , hes done allsorts of stupid things, [like going
> > > > round smashing car windows cos he hates them being parked evrywehre]
> > > > but all that is part of wot makes him who he is, and i cant help it
> > > > but i like all that about him, i just worry that he,ll get into
> > > > troubel if hes caught doing that sort of thing, hes already in troubel
> > > > as it is for other stupid things that hes done, but all of that is
> > > > some of wot is so exciting about him, and hes such fun to be with, hes
> > > > hilarious and ever so witty and i loved being with him, how i felt
> > > > just hanging around with him , was so special, it just felt *right*
> > > > being with him, i dont realy kno how to explain it, i felt as tho we
> > > > belonged 2gether, i kno that i use to feel that about my GF but i
> > > > dont kno how i feel about her anymore, shes realy upset me adn i cant
> > > > feel the same now.
>
> > Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
>
> No. At least nothing thats worth mentionning, im not sure wot you
> mean? Ive never said anything about her doing that sort of thing.
You stated that Darren is a vandal, you then went on to say that this
is one of the aspects of his character that you admire. You also
stated that you no longer feel the same way you used to feel about
your girfriend but indicated that you used to feel the same about her
as you now do about him. I wondered if perhaps, she had also indulged
in a spot of vandalism.
Really, of course, I was making an attempt at light hearted banter.
Even though I don't really feel there is much to make light of as
regards vandals and their antics.
SNIP
> > That can be very appealing, but in the case of your friend, he's a
> > little too bad for his own good. Petty thieving from shops is one
> > thing, but mindless vandalism is quite another.
>
> I wouldent call it *mindless* tho. He knows wot hes doing, he does it
> for a reason. He dosent like cars, and he hates it wehn tehy are
> parked all around all over th place.
No excuse.
SNIP
I have already given you my view on this nonsense, so can only
reiterate the concerns I expressed earlier. Forget about such things.
Write a note, even if it's to remonstrate with him for treating you so
badly, take it into the local DSS office and ask them to forward it to
him.
Frankly I think you should put him firmly behind you and move on. You
have stated that if you did contact him, he could use it against you
in a nasty way. You are already aware that he could behave in an even
more reprehensible manner towards you, yet you are still intent on
wanting to see him and longing to have him back in your life. In your
heart you know he is unworthy of your affections, he has treated you
very badly and you realise he could continue to treat you badly, yet
in spite of that you are still hankering after him. I cannot
understand why.
It seems to me you have been most unfortunate in your choices of
companions. Your girlfriend sounds a nightmare, your chav friend is
even worse, but worst of all is your girlfriend's father who really
should know better, and yet you are now talking about him as though
you think he is wonderful.
Read what you have written about all of these people, and look
objectively at it and ask yourself what advice you would give to
another person who was describing the type of persons you have
described. How would you feel about anyone else who allowed themselves
to be treated the way you have been treated by both your girlfriend
and the chav, and now you have your girlfriend's sinister sounding
father getting in on the act and attempting to take control of you.
Please try to see it before you become involved in yet another unhappy
situation with yet another undesirable person.
Bob Terwilliger
>>> Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
>>
>> No. At least nothing thats worth mentionning, im not sure wot you
>> mean? Ive never said anything about her doing that sort of thing.
>
> You stated that Darren is a vandal, you then went on to say that this
> is one of the aspects of his character that you admire. You also
> stated that you no longer feel the same way you used to feel about
> your girfriend but indicated that you used to feel the same about her
> as you now do about him. I wondered if perhaps, she had also indulged
> in a spot of vandalism.
> Really, of course, I was making an attempt at light hearted banter.
> Even though I don't really feel there is much to make light of as
> regards vandals and their antics.
Boys will be boys!
>>> That can be very appealing, but in the case of your friend, he's a
>>> little too bad for his own good. Petty thieving from shops is one
>>> thing, but mindless vandalism is quite another.
>>
>> I wouldent call it *mindless* tho. He knows wot hes doing, he does it
>> for a reason. He dosent like cars, and he hates it wehn tehy are
>> parked all around all over th place.
>
> No excuse.
Sounds mindless to me: Attacking things simply because you don't like them
is mindless -- but it's also one of the traits associated with the chav
culture.
> I have already given you my view on this nonsense, so can only
> reiterate the concerns I expressed earlier. Forget about such things.
> Write a note, even if it's to remonstrate with him for treating you so
> badly, take it into the local DSS office and ask them to forward it to
> him.
> Frankly I think you should put him firmly behind you and move on.
That is also what *Varizo* wants: He wants Darren firmly behind him and
moving in and out.
> It seems to me you have been most unfortunate in your choices of
> companions. Your girlfriend sounds a nightmare, your chav friend is
> even worse, but worst of all is your girlfriend's father who really
> should know better, and yet you are now talking about him as though
> you think he is wonderful.
> Read what you have written about all of these people, and look
> objectively at it and ask yourself what advice you would give to
> another person who was describing the type of persons you have
> described. How would you feel about anyone else who allowed themselves
> to be treated the way you have been treated by both your girlfriend
> and the chav, and now you have your girlfriend's sinister sounding
> father getting in on the act and attempting to take control of you.
> Please try to see it before you become involved in yet another unhappy
> situation with yet another undesirable person.
Oh, if only Varizo could see the light! He'd be all over you like maggots on
a dead Yorkie!
Bob
Varizo.
> You're thick as a post, aren't you? T.bone is saying that she's BETTER than
> your little criminal vandalizing chav, no matter how badly you ache for him.
He was asking me if she goes around vandaliseing things, how is that
saying that shes any better than Darren?
> You *are* pathetic and desperate.
If i was then id be doing wot TBone said that i should do and write a
note and get the benifits place to send it to him, but im not going to
do that. That would look desperate, but if i find out wot area hes
living in, as long as its not too far away, i could go there and just
walk around in the area , if i could find out the actual street that
hes living on, im sure thta he wouldent of let them move him into some
realy out of the way place, hed hav to be in a town somwhre, and i
dont think that he would move too far away cos of his brothers and
loads of his freinds being in the area , its just not easy to find
sombody even in a small area unless you kno the spessifick place where
they are, to hang around in.
> You LIVE for the moment that your eyes
> meet and you can finally tell him how much you love him, and how you've
> given up your girlfriend because you finally realized that HE is the one you
> want.
But i havent given her up tho, shes still my GF, im still with her,
its just that i dont feel the same way about her now as i did do
befor, shes supposed to love me so she should of cared about my
feelings, not made nasty sarcasstick comments to me , like oh your all
upset cos your scummy freind has had to be moved on, wot a shame! and
other stupid remarks like that, whcih she shouldent of made, no matter
wot she thinks about him, she could see how upset i was, she should of
thougth about my feelings and not been so hateful to me about him. I
cant even talk to her about how im missing him, cos she would just get
annoyd and dont understand how i feel, whcih is one of the reasons
that i can talk to her dad, cos he does understand how i feel and
wants to help me to find Darren, Kirsty has been a right bitch to me
and i was thinking about finisishing it w her, but i was only holdiing
on cos i wanted to see her dad again, and now that i hav, realy i
could finish with her, but ive been w her long enuff that it would
feel funny if she wasent my GF, shes become a sort of habit isupose,
and anyway shes realy pleased w me at the moment, cos i was going to
get her the paper last saturday with the free Hellraiser dvd in to giv
to her, but when i asked the man in the shop he said that i could hav
all of the dvds for the whole week if i wanted, includeing the one for
the next day, so i got the lot given to me , whcih i dident want so i
gave them all to her, so at the moment im in her good books so i
havent finished with her and probaly wont unless she starts getting
realy nasty to me again.
> Your "pride" is worthless. Do you suppose he'll NEVER read the things you
> write here?
Theres no reason why he would, he dont kno that i talk to ppl on the
internet, and he wasent on the internet himself anyway, and he
wouldent hav any intrest in going to a love or a goth NG, he probalay
dont even kno wot a NG is. And if i do see him again and we get close
and stay close freinds, then id proably tell him how upset ive been
and that i talked to ppl about it on the interent.
> Besides, all the posturing and power-playing that you think
> you're doing will completely fall apart when he puts his tongue in your
> mouth.
Shut up Bob. For one thing, i could of had that sort of a relationship
w him if id wanted, but i dident, which is one of the reasons that
caused the problems between us in the 1st place. But anyway, you seem
to think that i will deffinitley see him again, and he will be back in
my life.
Do you realy think that, or are you just being sarcasstick? My GFs
father thinks that because i think about him so much, all the time
realy, that i will draw him back into my life again, he has talked
about things that i can do to help it along, but i dont kno wot i
think about any of that.
V.
Varizo.
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:17:55 -0700, Varizo. wrote:
> > he could tell that i liked
> > talking to him and that i woudl want to see him but that the family
> > would be trying to stop me and him from seeing each other, so he said
> > he used a sort of spell so that i would find out where he was staying
> > and would go round to see him, whcih explains why he wasent realy that
> > surprised when i turned up!
>
> it.
>
> Getting it together with your Girlfriend's Dad is weird enough, but the
> "casting spells" bit is just too much.
Fuck off revullsiv!!! I havent got 2gether w my GFs dad in the way
that your thinking of, thats just your mind cos your incapabal of
thinking any diffrent. And i havent done any spells and am not likely
to cos i dont kno anything about that sort of thing, wot my GFs dad
was talking about, is not realy like casting some spell, its diffrent
than that, he explained it to me but its difficult to take in. But im
not disscussing it w you so fuck off! [And i notice that you had to
Xpost alt horror into it, when i dont even go there anymore, so ive
taken it out again]!
V.
Varizo.
> Oh my giddy aunt! Please V, take stock of what I am going to say to
> you. You have an infatuation with your chav friend that has gone on
> rather a long time, admittedly;
Well i wouldent call it that, i love him , like i love all of my
freinds. Id be upset about any of my freinds who dissappeard out of my
life wi no exp;anation and if i dident kno wherfe theyd gone, and
spesialy if we hadent even of been talking when they dissapeard.
> but to talk about spells and such
> like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
> decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
> lies madness.
I am trying to find out more about that sort of thing, ackording to
wot my GFs dad has told me about it, its just getting the universe to
work for you, its nothing bad or harmful in any way.
> Your girlfriend's father sounds a thoroughly nasty character, highly
> manipulative and selfish, and certainly uncaring towards his family.
> How he can even suggest such an outlandish thing is beyond
> comprehension, and to admit that he actually performed some kind of
> _black magic_ in the belief that he would entice you into visiting him
> late at night, and obviously hopes he can lure you into some kind of
> relationship with him, in spite of the fact that you have been
> involved in a long-standing relationship with his own _daughter_, is
> indicative of a morally baankrupt character.
Hang on tho, hes nothing like that, he dont get on with his family
much, hes not close to any of them , but that is not his fault, and he
hasent used anything like black magic. I did explain in detail , wot
he said to me, and i made it clear that he said that it wont work
unless its for the benifit of the ppl involved, like he knew that i
would want to see him, and he wanted to see me, cos we get on, like
some ppl are conpatibal and some arnt, and me and him are 2 ppl who
are conpatibal and get on cos we r on the same wavelength. That is
all. I dont kno whrere all this stuff is coming from like theres
anything else invovled, there isnt, we r just 2 ppl who get on well
and i could be close freinds w him, but its other ppl who
missinterpret things, like Kirstys mother for exsampel, and her
thinking that he might want to get back 2gethr w her when he has got
no intention of ever doing that.
> I think you certainly do have an unfortunate choice of friends, your
> girlfriend leaves a lot to be desired, your chav friend should be
> avoided like the plague, but your girlfriends father is truly beyond
> the pale. Cunning, devious, and downright sinister are words that
> spring to mind.
But hes nothing like that! You dont kno him, and most of my freinds
are realy nice ppl, your only talking about Darren , and my GF and her
dad, ive got more than just those 3 ppl in my life, and all of them
are nice ppl, and Kirsty is alrite when shes not being nasty, and her
dad is a realy nice person, hes understanding and consideratte ,
spesialy of my feelings, its a shame that Kirsty hasent inhirritaed
that from him, and as for Darren, theres nothing wrong with him, apart
from the fact taht i think hes insecurre and that is wot makes him act
the way that he does. Hes had a lot in his life to deal with, his
mother has been a right cow, and i should kno all about that sort of
thing, with the evil bitch that ive got for a mother, his is not as
bad as my mother but shes still a evil worthless bitch who dident
deserve to hav him as her son.
V.
T.Bone
You can always visit your local CAB and ask about it there. I think it
is happening pretty much all over the country.
I very much doubt there is anything you can do about it. The counter
argument would be that, rightly or worngly, it is government policy in
a bid to crack down on what is seen as anti social behaviour.
T.Bone
wrote:
> Varizo mumbled:
>
> >> Did she go around vandalising people's property as well?
>
> > No. At least nothing thats worth mentionning, im not sure wot you
> > mean? Ive never said anything about her doing that sort of thing.
>
> You're thick as a post, aren't you? T.bone is saying that she's BETTER than
> your little criminal vandalizing chav, no matter how badly you ache for him.
Admittedly, I have always thought V's girlfriend is not right for him,
she sounds extremely controlling and possessive and doesn't seem to
have considered his feelings at all in recent times, but I almost feel
sympathy for her, hearing what kind of a person her father is!
My point was indeed, that she is better than the chav V is so
infatuated with, but her father is the worst of the lot of the sorry
bunch. He is even worse than V's chav friend, one could argue that the
chav probably doesn't know any better, but V's girlfriend's father
should indeed, know better, being older and therefore one would
expect, more responsible. The chav sounds like a typical chav,
ignorant and no good, but V's girlfriend's father sounds downright
sinister.
SNIP
> > Ive got pride, i dont want to hav to do anything deffinitte like that,
> > that is realy saying how much he means to me and id feel abit stupid doing
> > that cos that would giv him the power over me to be a bit nasty if he felt
> > like it, and im not saying that he would, but just in case, im not giving
> > him the chance, and i dont do that sort of thing, not act all pathetick
> > towards sombody when we havent got to the stage of being in a proper
> > commitid relationship yet.
Writing to him may possibly be the only way you may get to see him
again though.
Leaving it to chance, hoping you may bump into him somewhere, whilst
relying on the nonsensical rubbish your girlfriend's dad has been
telling you is almost certain to leave you feeling further
disappointed and unhappy.
At least if you wirte to him you are actually _doing_ something,
instead of putting your faith in the fairies.
> Your "pride" is worthless. Do you suppose he'll NEVER read the things you
> write here? Besides, all the posturing and power-playing that you think
> you're doing will completely fall apart when he puts his tongue in your
> mouth. But before that happens, I really think that you should spend a week
> with T.bone. Don't you want to repay him for his love and support? All he
> wants is a cuddle and a happy ending.
Well, as nice as I would probably find that, I would expect no such
thing, LOL. I have merely been attempting to advise V on the problems
he has been experiencing with his close relationships. He seems like a
very sweet boy, if a little misguided in his choice of close
associates. It's a shame he can't turn his affections towards someone
more worthy. Sadly, he seems to attract the wrong kind of people into
his life. It's a great shame.
T.Bone
> > but to talk about spells and such
> > like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
> > decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
> > lies madness.
>
> I am trying to find out more about that sort of thing, ackording to
> wot my GFs dad has told me about it, its just getting the universe to
> work for you, its nothing bad or harmful in any way.
It could be harmful in the sense that one's state of mind could be
impaired. It seems a form of self deception, or false belief. It could
compromise your sanity, I am certain, if taken to extremes.
Therefore, in my view indulging in a delusional way of thinking could
be seen as being harmful to the self. Quite apart from the fact that
anyone who sees fit to use the occult to achieve their wants and
desires could be said to be a highly manipulative, sinister sounding
person. If your girlfriend's father has been dabbling in this kind of
thing, then I still maintain he is best avoided, whatever you may
think of him. You may not he the best judge of character. - Certainly
not going by your refusal to see Darren for what he truly is, a
vandalising loser typical of most chavs.
>
> > Your girlfriend's father sounds a thoroughly nasty character, highly
> > manipulative and selfish, and certainly uncaring towards his family.
> > How he can even suggest such an outlandish thing is beyond
> > comprehension, and to admit that he actually performed some kind of
> > _black magic_ in the belief that he would entice you into visiting him
> > late at night, and obviously hopes he can lure you into some kind of
> > relationship with him, in spite of the fact that you have been
> > involved in a long-standing relationship with his own _daughter_, is
> > indicative of a morally baankrupt character.
>
> Hang on tho, hes nothing like that, he dont get on with his family
> much, hes not close to any of them , but that is not his fault, and he
> hasent used anything like black magic. I did explain in detail , wot
> he said to me, and i made it clear that he said that it wont work
> unless its for the benifit of the ppl involved, like he knew that i
> would want to see him, and he wanted to see me, cos we get on, like
> some ppl are conpatibal and some arnt, and me and him are 2 ppl who
> are conpatibal and get on cos we r on the same wavelength. That is
> all. I dont kno whrere all this stuff is coming from like theres
> anything else invovled, there isnt, we r just 2 ppl who get on well
> and i could be close freinds w him, but its other ppl who
> missinterpret things, like Kirstys mother for exsampel, and her
> thinking that he might want to get back 2gethr w her when he has got
> no intention of ever doing that.
Now you appear to be making excuses for him, just like you make
excuses for your chav friend. Of course he is going to tell you there
is nothing wrong with what he is doing. He is trying to ingratiate
himself into your affections. Why do you think his family thought he
was getting back with your girlfriend's mother and now that they
realise he isn't, they seem to think this is somehow down to you? Why
do you think this is? Don't you think it is because they have
recognised on some level what his intentions towards you are? They can
see it, but you can't. You are too trusting of certain people and
suspicious of others, and sadly it often seems to be the wrong people
you trust and the wrong people you are suspicious of.
>
> > I think you certainly do have an unfortunate choice of friends, your
> > girlfriend leaves a lot to be desired, your chav friend should be
> > avoided like the plague, but your girlfriends father is truly beyond
> > the pale. Cunning, devious, and downright sinister are words that
> > spring to mind.
>
> But hes nothing like that! You dont kno him, and most of my freinds
> are realy nice ppl, your only talking about Darren , and my GF and her
> dad, ive got more than just those 3 ppl in my life, and all of them
> are nice ppl, and Kirsty is alrite when shes not being nasty, and her
> dad is a realy nice person, hes understanding and consideratte ,
> spesialy of my feelings, its a shame that Kirsty hasent inhirritaed
> that from him, and as for Darren, theres nothing wrong with him, apart
> from the fact taht i think hes insecurre and that is wot makes him act
> the way that he does. Hes had a lot in his life to deal with, his
> mother has been a right cow, and i should kno all about that sort of
> thing, with the evil bitch that ive got for a mother, his is not as
> bad as my mother but shes still a evil worthless bitch who dident
> deserve to hav him as her son.
> V.
He may have had an unfortunate upbringling. None of it excuses his
behaviour. He is a vandal and a criminal and has treated you with
little concern. I don't know why you can't see it. - Perhaps you can,
but are refusing to admit it, even to yourself. You have had an
unfortunate upbringing also, but you are not a vandal who indulges in
criminal behaviour. - At least nothing you have admitted to. ;-)
It really doesn't pay to become involved with people who behave the
way he does. How long do you think it would be before he led you into
trouble with the police? If you keep reminding yourself of that, you
may realise it would be best to forget about him. I know it won't be
easy at first, but at least you could try putting him out of your mind
and concentrate on other things. He is all you seem to talk about now.
Varizo.
How is it anti sosial just to be sitting on a fucking bench or wall
somwhere tho???? Why is it always young ppl who get picked on?
Older ppl can be bloody fucking rude and ignorrant , like that cow who
told me and Darren to fuck off out of that shop, when we hadent even
done anything, [exsept to just go in there]! old ppl are fucking
selfish, theyve had there lives, they r just old and bitter and dont
want to see anybody having any fun, spesialy young ppl who they are
jelous of !! They probaly fancy a lot of young ppl anyway and are
resenful cos they kno that they are too old and repullsiv to be abel
to get off with any of them !!! I ought to kno , ive had to put up
wiht some old ppl trying it on with me, and then getting funny when i
feel revolted and tell them to fuck off, the dirty old perverts!!
Ppl just standing around and talking , or stiting somwhere in a
publick place, are not doing anything wrong, but if its young ppl,
then we are treated like we *are* doing somthing wrong, just for
being there!
V.
Varizo.
> You stated that Darren is a vandal, you then went on to say that this
> is one of the aspects of his character that you admire. You also
> stated that you no longer feel the same way you used to feel about
> your girfriend but indicated that you used to feel the same about her
> as you now do about him. I wondered if perhaps, she had also indulged
> in a spot of vandalism.
Shes had her moments, but nothign liek wot hes done in that respect,
she hasent gone and smashed car windows, but then he only did that cos
he was fed up with the fucking cars parked evrywhere all around the
area, Kirsty hasent done that sort of thing, but shes done much worse
things that that.
> You
> have stated that if you did contact him, he could use it against you
> in a nasty way. You are already aware that he could behave in an even
> more reprehensible manner towards you, yet you are still intent on
> wanting to see him and longing to have him back in your life. In your
> heart you know he is unworthy of your affections, he has treated you
> very badly and you realise he could continue to treat you badly, yet
> in spite of that you are still hankering after him. I cannot
> understand why.
I dont kno that he woudl use it to be nasty to me, he might not, he
might be so pleased to hear from me that he would just come and see
me, and be realy nice, but if i did send him some note, he might
think that ive left it long enuff so why now, and he might not be abel
to help himself , and he might just ignore it to see if i send another
one, and if i did send one and i dident hear nothing back, and i knew
that they ahd sent it, then i would be so annoyd that i wouldent
bother sending another one, and id be even more upset than if id never
sent one in the 1st place, so its better if i try wot my GFs dad has
talked about. I just cant brign myself to send him a letter , id feel
stupid and desperatte doing that, ive got too much pride, and if there
is the slightest chance that he might think that hes got some power
over me in that way and he might use the fact that i realy like him to
play with my feelings, well im not going to giv him the chance to do
that. I just want to be abel to talk to him, not to hav to write him a
letter.
> It seems to me you have been most unfortunate in your choices of
> companions. Your girlfriend sounds a nightmare, your chav friend is
> even worse, but worst of all is your girlfriend's father who really
> should know better, and yet you are now talking about him as though
> you think he is wonderful.
> Read what you have written about all of these people, and look
> objectively at it and ask yourself what advice you would give to
> another person who was describing the type of persons you have
> described. How would you feel about anyone else who allowed themselves
> to be treated the way you have been treated by both your girlfriend
> and the chav, and now you have your girlfriend's sinister sounding
> father getting in on the act and attempting to take control of you.
> Please try to see it before you become involved in yet another unhappy
> situation with yet another undesirable person.
I replied to all of this last monday nite, and to other things as
well , but the fucking things havent shown up, even tho google said at
the time thta they had been posted. Why the fuck does it do that??
Anyway, youve got it all wrong, about my GFs dad, hes nothing like
your describeing him as being, hes a realy nice person, i use to think
that he was cold and distant, but that was only cos i didetn realy
kno him at all, and that is just the way that he is with them cos he
dont realy get on with them but that is not his fault, its just how it
is. And he hasent doen anythng wrong, me and him get on, and weve
got close, but hes not trying to control or manipulate me, and you
said somwhere else that he had wanted me to go and see him in the
middle of the nite, and nowhere hav i ever said that he did somthing
to make me go and see him in the middle of the nite, it was jsut that
i *did* go and see him then, and normaly if id thought about it, i
probaly woudlent of gone to see him then, bt for soem reason it dident
seem to me that it would be wrong if i did, so he dident do some spell
to make me go there then, its just that i did go there then, it was a
coeinsidence how i found out where he was staying, it was just by
chance , and he said that that is how it works, that its often just
coeinsidence, but thta you hav to be aware of them when they happen
and realise thqt its pointing you in the right direcetion, its not
anything realy creepy evn tho it seemed it to me a bit at the time
when he 1st explained it to me wot hed done, but its not like useing
witcthrafdt or anything like that, but some ppl might call it that,
but thats cos they dont understand, he told me that its just a natural
thing that is a universal law and that ppl use it all the time without
even being aware of it and then wonder why things go wrong in there
lives, its cos htey dont think right about things, he says that if you
kno wot your doing you can get anything that you want, as long as its
not for harm or to hurt anybody, and when its a situation where 2 ppl
proably want the same thing, like with me and him wanting to be abel
to see each other but his family would try and stop it, then its
alrite to use it, and he said that if Darren still realy likes me and
would realy want to se me, then becuase its wot i want too, then its
alrite to use it to make that happen, or rather to help it to happen.
Im still new to all of this, so im proably not explaining it v well
but i sort of understand it a lot better now, after hes explained it
to me more, its just that if i think about it too much it sounds a bit
weird and hard to udnerstand and then i start to think that it is a
bit creepy, but that is only cos i dont realy understand how it works.
All i kno is that normaly i wouldent of thought of going to see him in
the middle of the nite, not when hes sombody that i dont kno realy
well , spesialy when hed never actualy told me himself where he was
and i only found out by chacne, but for some reason i dident even
think to quesiton it, but just went round there to where i heard that
he was , and it just seemed like the most natural thing in the world
to do, and like i said, he was up and realy pleased to see me when i
got there , and not realy surprised, but not cos he was exspecting me
that particurlar nite, but just cos he knew that i would find out
where he was and turn up there at some time. And hes not triyng to
force me into a rfelataionship with him like you think , just cos ppl
like revullsiv see things like that evrywrhe they look when its
anything to do with me, its cos its in there own minds, you dont hav
to do the same. [Only you said somwehre that you thought th AT HE
Wwas trying to maninpulate me into a relationship with him , and hes
not doing that at all , it dont work like that, cos if he was doing
that, it would be somthing that was agaisnt my will and you cant use
it for anything that would mean it wasent wot the other person wanted,
i wanted to be abel to see him cos i like him and get on with him, and
i wanted to be abel to talk to him about Darren, whcih i hav been abel
to do now, and all he did was somthing that somhow helped us to be
abel to meet , and talk, without his family being around to dissaprove
and get in the way. Hes realy realy nice, he reminds me a bit of my
Dad, and it shoudlent hav to be that me and him hav to see each other
in secret, but that is cos of his family, mainly Kirsty and her
mother, but realy cos of Kirstys stupid mother and her daft idea that
he was going to get back with her, when he had no intention of ever
doing that, and somhow she thougth that i was getting in the way, and
dident like it that i had started to get to kno him bettr and had
started to get close to him, but that is her problem, and he was never
going to get back with her, and that is nothing to do with me, but she
needed sombody to blame i supose, cos she coudlent acsept wot she
dident want to acsept , that he just isnt intrssted in her. None of
that is my fault, or anythng to do with me. And please will you stop
thinking that he is some awful sinisster person, cos hes not. [Hes a
bit mysterrious , or at least hes always seemed a bit like that, but
thats mainly cos i never knew him properly befor, its just that hes
realy inteligent and knows about things that a lot of ppl dont kno
about. But when i talked to my freinds and my Dad about wot hes told
me, they dont think that its that unusual, my Dad said that wot
Kirstys father is talking about is just a sort of positiv thinking
realy and doing somthing deffinitte like a sort of ritual is just to
strengthen it in your mind, my freind Nathan thinks that is just a
load of bollox but that theres no harm in trying it but realy its just
wishful thinking, and he dont think that theres anything mysterioius
about me finding out where he was living and then going there, he said
that that was just a coeinsidence thta i foudn out and that they
happen all the time, and Ade who livs downstairs from me, dident think
that it ment anything much , he thinks that its harmless fun, adn
proably consentrates your mind on foucusing on the things that you
want and helps you to achieve it, but Kirstys dad deffinitley beleives
that its somthing more than that and he realy beleives in it and says
that itr works, and that it works *how* you believe, and some of thqt
is wot i find hard to understand, its like how you think creates your
situations, and that is wot i find hard to understand, tho i can see
how that would be true in some circumstances but not all].
V.
Varizo.
> Attacking things simply because you don't like them
> is mindless -- but it's also one of the traits associated with the chav
> culture.
Well you started attacking me, *bob*, a little while ago, r u a chav?
I bet that you dont dress half as nice as wot most chavs do tho,
spesialy Darren, he always looks realy cool.
V.
Varizo.
> Writing to him may possibly be the only way you may get to see him
> again though.
> Leaving it to chance, hoping you may bump into him somewhere, whilst
> relying on the nonsensical rubbish your girlfriend's dad has been
> telling you is almost certain to leave you feeling further
> disappointed and unhappy.
> At least if you wirte to him you are actually _doing_ something,
> instead of putting your faith in the fairies.
Id feel like i was being stupid if i write to him, like realy realy
desperatte, Ive got pride. I want to find out about wot my GFs dad has
told me about, its a universal law apparatnley , its just that most
ppl dont kno about it or how it works, yoour not suposed to use it to
try and make sombody do somthing that they dont want to do, or is
against there will, all that i want is for me and Darren to see each
otehr somwhre in the street, somthinglike that, where we just bump
into each other, i want to find out if i can use this universal law
thing to make that happen, some ppl call it spells, or withcharaft,
but its not realy, its all the same thing, its just diffrent names
that ppl giv to the same universal law, i find it hard to understand
and its all new to me, but i do understand it a bit better now than i
did when i 1st heard about it, but i dont kno about using it until i
kno wot im doing with it, i do find it a little bit unnerving, but
taht is only cos i dont hav any exsperiance of that sort of thing.
V.
Varizo.
> > > like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
> > > decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
> > > lies madness.
>
> > I am trying to find out more about that sort of thing, ackording to
> > wot my GFs dad has told me about it, its just getting the universe to
> > work for you, its nothing bad or harmful in any way.
>
> It could be harmful in the sense that one's state of mind could be
> impaired. It seems a form of self deception, or false belief. It could
> compromise your sanity, I am certain, if taken to extremes.
Not how its been explained to me. Its not harmufl in any way, and
couldent be. And you cant use it to cause any harm eithr, cos it
dosent work like that. I thought that i had made that clear.
> Therefore, in my view indulging in a delusional way of thinking could
> be seen as being harmful to the self.
But that is only your way of thinking tho. Its just how you see it.It
dont mean that thats how it is. Thats just your own beleife, and your
letting your own beliefes get in the way. You cant see it for wot it
realy is, a universal law, cos your own prejudisses about it, are
getting in the way. That much i can understand from wot hes told me
about it.
> Quite apart from the fact that
> anyone who sees fit to use the occult to achieve their wants and
> desires could be said to be a highly manipulative, sinister sounding
> person. If your girlfriend's father has been dabbling in this kind of
> thing, then I still maintain he is best avoided, whatever you may
> think of him. You may not he the best judge of character. - Certainly
> not going by your refusal to see Darren for what he truly is, a
> vandalising loser typical of most chavs.
Ive said all this befor, but im going to hav to say it again, you dont
kno any of the ppl who i kno, so you cant realy say things like tha
about any of them, its just your opinion.
> Now you appear to be making excuses for him, just like you make
> excuses for your chav friend. Of course he is going to tell you there
> is nothing wrong with what he is doing. He is trying to ingratiate
> himself into your affections. Why do you think his family thought he
> was getting back with your girlfriend's mother and now that they
> realise he isn't, they seem to think this is somehow down to you? Why
> do you think this is? Don't you think it is because they have
> recognised on some level what his intentions towards you are? They can
> see it, but you can't. You are too trusting of certain people and
> suspicious of others, and sadly it often seems to be the wrong people
> you trust and the wrong people you are suspicious of.
I think that im quite good at seeing wot ppls intentions are, and im
usualy right in wot ppl are like. I kno the ppl that im talking about,
and you dont. And i kno wot theyr like, and you dont.
> He may have had an unfortunate upbringling. None of it excuses his
> behaviour. He is a vandal and a criminal and has treated you with
> little concern. I don't know why you can't see it. - Perhaps you can,
> but are refusing to admit it, even to yourself. You have had an
> unfortunate upbringing also, but you are not a vandal who indulges in
> criminal behaviour. - At least nothing you have admitted to. ;-)
No and im not going to either!!
> , but at least you could try putting him out of your mind
> and concentrate on other things. He is all you seem to talk about
> now.
Cos i cant think about anything else thats why!! And i hav tried.
Its why i made that comment to my gifreinds dad about its like Darren
has put a spell on me or somthng, and i was only jokeing when i said
that, but that is when he told me wot he had done, and thats how i got
to hear about the universe and how it can work for you if you kno how
to use it, or if yuoiu kno how to think properley is how he put it.
So it was just somthing that i siad as a joke, but not a joke realy, i
was just saying it cos of how unhappy i am since Darren had to leave
the area, and its been nearly 3 monthes but im still thinking about
him all the time, its driving me mad. but cos of me saying that, that
is how i got to hear about this universal law and how its suposed to
work, so that was just a coeinsidence too, but im going to try and
find out abit more befor i start trying to use it myself, cos i want
to kno wot im doing , and apparantley its v inportant that you think
in a exact way, youve got to be careful or it dont work out exactly
how yoiu want, thats anothr reason why im not going to just rush in
and try to use it unitl i kno much more about it and how to make it
work how you want it to.
V.
ReVulse
> You can always visit your local CAB and ask about it there. I think it
> is happening pretty much all over the country.
> I very much doubt there is anything you can do about it. The counter
> argument would be that, rightly or worngly, it is government policy in
> a bid to crack down on what is seen as anti social behaviour.
Would it really be too much to ask for you to please unsubscribe from UPG
and subscribe to another group ?
After all, you only communicate with Varizo and judging by the
crossposting, you have a number of other groups to choose from.
Normally, I would remove UPG from this reply, but if I did, you might not
see it if it's the only group you're currently subscribed to.
Please consider it. I've asked nicely.
--
#Andy#
Varizo.
Will you just *fuck off* and *stop* jumping on evry single fucking
person who ever talks to me in a nice way, you fucking weirdo, *you*
dont control the frigging internet, and you dont hav the right to
dicktate to ppl about wot NGs they can post to or not, your a sodding
control freak, fucking scumbag cunt psycho fucking *stalker* following
me around all over the internet and jumping in and interrferring in
conversations that other ppl are having with me. I dont like you, im
never going to like you, fucking get over it!!!!!! [And praps
TBone woudl like to talk to me in a diffrent NG, but that is up to
him, not you, and if he wants to [and why should he hav to]? then it
should be cos he decides that he *wants* to, not cos the likes of you
hav fucking *told* him to, like youve got the right to giv out orders
to ppl, you obsessed fucking looney psycho stalker!!!
V.
PS And TBone, you might like to kno that revullsiv has been slagging
you off in alt love and alt romance, and calling you a pervert!
Where he thinks that you probaly wont see it cos he knows that you
dont go there!!!
T.Bone
Maybe there _are_ a lot of intolerant elderly people around, I know
some who do seem very anti as far as any young person is concerned,
but I can assure you not all older people feel that way about
youngsters.
You could always enquire as to what, if any, pressure groups may be
available in your locality that speak up for young peoples rights. If
there is nothing suitable for you, you could always start your
own. ;-)
T.Bone
I'm sure he found it very satisfying to do so. If that is the kind of
thing that gives him pleasure, then let him get on with it.
I don't subscribe to those groups and have no wish to.
It does seem somewhat unfortunate that ReVulse seems unable to work
out how to use a kill filter and prefers to make dictatorial demands
instead.
You really should ignore such people. Your response is exactly the
kind of thing he, and those like him, want.
Getting upset over a few Usenet posts is really very silly. UPG is
extremely quiet and if it weren't for our conversations and Whisky
Dave and Hester's long, rambling discourses, there would be hardly any
traffic here at all.
Of course, anyone present who does not wish to see certain posters or
threads, are always at liberty to employ the use of their kill filter.
Or could just exercise the ability to _ignore_ people they dislike!
H Duffy
"T.Bone" <te-...@email.com> wrote in message
news:1175012040....@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> I'm sure he found it very satisfying to do so. If that is the kind of
> thing that gives him pleasure, then let him get on with it.
> I don't subscribe to those groups and have no wish to.
That being the case, could you please trim the cross-posts out? You have no
reason to spread what is essentially a private conversation over five
separate groups, four of which you don't read at all and one of which you
only read in order to stay in touch with one person.
While it's easy enough to killfile individuals, crossposts are bad
nettiquette, and they encourage annoying vistors, so it really would be
polite to trim them out.
H
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
> > You stated that Darren is a vandal, you then went on to say that this
> > is one of the aspects of his character that you admire. You also
> > stated that you no longer feel the same way you used to feel about
> > your girfriend but indicated that you used to feel the same about her
> > as you now do about him. I wondered if perhaps, she had also indulged
> > in a spot of vandalism.
>
> Shes had her moments, but nothign liek wot hes done in that respect,
> she hasent gone and smashed car windows, but then he only did that cos
> he was fed up with the fucking cars parked evrywhere all around the
> area, Kirsty hasent done that sort of thing, but shes done much worse
> things that that.
Worse? Like what? Whatever has she done that is worse than the
serious acts of vandalism he has indulged in?
It seems to me, you are so unsure of his feelings and have a lack of
confidence in yourself as regards him. It all sounds as though he is
so totally wrong for you. I think you can see this for yourself
really, but your affection for him is making you ignore it. If a
relationship is this much trouble, is it really worth attempting to
maintain it? - In actual fact, you don't even have a relationship with
him as such and haven't done for a few months and when you did have a
friendship with him, it was for a very brief period of time. I cannot
understand why he has had such a strong impact on your emotions. He
sounds thoroughly horrid yet he has had a tremendously profound effect
on you. It sounds as though you need to build up more confidence in
yourself, knowing him appears to have left you with little self
confidence. It is such a shame. If only you could see it.
It all sounds like mumbo jumbo to me, I'm afraid. There's nothing
wrong with positive thinking obviously, it is a good thing, but what
your girlfriend's father has been filling your head with, sounds like
a little more than mere positive thought.
I'm sorry if I have offended you by disparaging him, but his motives
really do sound suspect as regards yourself and his intentions towards
you. If everything was all above board, then you and he would not have
to be meeting in secret.
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
> > On 20 Mar, 02:34, "Varizo." <var...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > "T.Bone" says
> > > > but to talk about spells and such
> > > > like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
> > > > decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
> > > > lies madness.
>
> > > I am trying to find out more about that sort of thing, ackording to
> > > wot my GFs dad has told me about it, its just getting the universe to
> > > work for you, its nothing bad or harmful in any way.
>
> > It could be harmful in the sense that one's state of mind could be
> > impaired. It seems a form of self deception, or false belief. It could
> > compromise your sanity, I am certain, if taken to extremes.
>
> Not how its been explained to me. Its not harmufl in any way, and
> couldent be. And you cant use it to cause any harm eithr, cos it
> dosent work like that. I thought that i had made that clear.
You made it clear that you didn't know how 'it' works or even what
'it' is.
You are, anyway, only going by what your girlfriend's father has told
you, and I wouldn't set much store by anything he says to you about
this kind of thing.
He says it cannot be used to cause harm. Harm to whom? It could
certainly cause harm to the state of mind of someone like yourself,
who could buy into such foolish notions, build up false hope, and end
up even more disillusioned and disappointed as a result.
It could also be said to cause harm if it could, indeed, be used to
implant suggestions in another person's mind, by some form of remote
control mind manipulation, as he seems to be saying is what he did to
coerce you into going to see him. What he is talking about is
interfering with another person's mind, overcoming their will and
forcing his own upon them. That is decidedly something different to
mere positive thinking, which, if he had been using that, would only
have affected his own mind, _not yours_. That much is definite.
Now, I'm not saying for one moment I believe that any of this nonsense
actually works, at least not outside of the mind of the person using
it, but it's the fact that he _believed_ he was affecting your mind by
his own thoughts, from afar, controlling you from a distance, that is
the aspect of it that I find so sinister. It proves the type of person
he is. He was attempting to impose his will upon you and seeing no
wrong in doing so. He then justified it to you by saying it is okay
what he did because he knew you would want to see him. He could not
possibly _know_ this! It is what he _wanted_ to believe. The fact that
you say you did want to see him is neither here nor there, it's the
fact that he saw nothing wrong in atempting to control your actions
from a distance by using what he believed to be some ritual, voodoo,
hoodoo, spell, whatever he believes it was, that is the problem and
proves he is a Machiavellian character.
> > Therefore, in my view indulging in a delusional way of thinking could
> > be seen as being harmful to the self.
>
> But that is only your way of thinking tho. Its just how you see it.It
> dont mean that thats how it is. Thats just your own beleife, and your
> letting your own beliefes get in the way. You cant see it for wot it
> realy is, a universal law, cos your own prejudisses about it, are
> getting in the way. That much i can understand from wot hes told me
> about it.
Again we come back to what _he_ has told you. Which proves the point I
made above.
>
> > Quite apart from the fact that
> > anyone who sees fit to use the occult to achieve their wants and
> > desires could be said to be a highly manipulative, sinister sounding
> > person. If your girlfriend's father has been dabbling in this kind of
> > thing, then I still maintain he is best avoided, whatever you may
> > think of him. You may not he the best judge of character. - Certainly
> > not going by your refusal to see Darren for what he truly is, a
> > vandalising loser typical of most chavs.
>
> Ive said all this befor, but im going to hav to say it again, you dont
> kno any of the ppl who i kno, so you cant realy say things like tha
> about any of them, its just your opinion.
That is true, of course, but I am only forming that opinion based on
what you, yourself, have said about these people.
> > Now you appear to be making excuses for him, just like you make
> > excuses for your chav friend. Of course he is going to tell you there
> > is nothing wrong with what he is doing. He is trying to ingratiate
> > himself into your affections. Why do you think his family thought he
> > was getting back with your girlfriend's mother and now that they
> > realise he isn't, they seem to think this is somehow down to you? Why
> > do you think this is? Don't you think it is because they have
> > recognised on some level what his intentions towards you are? They can
> > see it, but you can't. You are too trusting of certain people and
> > suspicious of others, and sadly it often seems to be the wrong people
> > you trust and the wrong people you are suspicious of.
>
> I think that im quite good at seeing wot ppls intentions are, and im
> usualy right in wot ppl are like. I kno the ppl that im talking about,
> and you dont. And i kno wot theyr like, and you dont.
Granted, I don't know them and would have no desire to know them going
by all you have told us about them.
There's your girlfriend, controlling and jealously possessive of you,
who you also maintain has done _worse_ things than the criminal
vandalising activities of your chav friend! She also appears to have
an extremely nasty taste in films judging by what you have said she
likes and appears to have an unpleasant and spiteful character.
Then, of course, we have your chav friend, himself. His faults are
endless, indeed, so numerous, I hardly see the point in mentioning
them again. Though the shoplifting, vandalism, ands seemingly total
disregard for your feelings, when you claim he liked you so much, are
just a few of the unsavoury attributes he possesses. As if being a
chav wasn't enough! '-)
Then we come to your girlfriend's father, with his talk of mind over
matter or positive thought, to put it in a brighter light, but could
also be seen as sinister practices involving control of another
person's mind by attempting to implant his own will to gain something
for himself, in this case, a relationship with you.
This is what you told us he admitted to, he 'did something' to enable
you to find out where he was living and to _make_ you want to go and
see him. This is how you described what he did. Now that is more than
mere positive thought, which can only work on the person's own mind,
not on others. From what you have told us, what he was attempting to
do, was to influence _your_ mind, into making you _do_ something, i.e.
going to see him. Whether it actually works or not, is neither here
nor there, the fact is that he believes it and had no qualms about
using something that he believed would influence another person's
mind, for his own ends. That is more akin to black magic than a person
using positive thinking, which cannot be used in this way, as positive
thought can only affect the mind of the person using it. What he was
trying to do, was to affect your mind, from afar. It could be loosely
termed as a form of telepathy I suppose, but even so, he saw nothing
wrong in attempting to control you in such a way. It sounds unpleasant
and sinister, yet you can see nothing wrong in what he was trying to
do.
You'd be better employed putting your mind to other things and
attempting to forget about Darren. Thinking he has put a 'spell' on
you is nonsense and you only feel like that because you appear to be
in love with him. You are suffering from a form of love sickness, no
spell.
T.Bone
> "T.Bone" says
>
> > Oh my giddy aunt! Please V, take stock of what I am going to say to
> > you. You have an infatuation with your chav friend that has gone on
> > rather a long time, admittedly;
>
> Well i wouldent call it that, i love him , like i love all of my
> freinds. Id be upset about any of my freinds who dissappeard out of my
> life wi no exp;anation and if i dident kno wherfe theyd gone, and
> spesialy if we hadent even of been talking when they dissapeard.
It sounds as though you are _in_ love with him, rather than merely
loving him as a friend. It would explain the feeling of 'being under a
spell' you described elsewhere. Forget such foolish notions. No spell.
Mere love sickness is what you are suffering from here. Trust me, you
will get over it.
> > but to talk about spells and such
> > like, and to even think of participating in such a thing yourself, is
> > decidedly a no no. Don't even consider such foolish notions, that way
> > lies madness.
>
> I am trying to find out more about that sort of thing, ackording to
> wot my GFs dad has told me about it, its just getting the universe to
> work for you, its nothing bad or harmful in any way.
I've a feeling I may already have replied to this post. If that is the
case, my apologies. I've made my feelings on the subject perfectly
clear so shall refrain from further comment.
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