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Gothpat

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Aug 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/22/98
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I finally read the copy of the Big Issue (Samuel L. Jackson cover)
that I purchase from the vendor at Highgate Tube stop...
and there is a favorable column about goths!

They talk about being at Nefarious and Malice Underground (and
erroniously say these are the only 2 goth clubs in London) and speak
briefly of the persecution of goths.

Anyone else see this?

GothPat


JEB

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Aug 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/23/98
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In article <35df84b...@news.uk0.vbc.net>, Gothpat <gothpat@netcity-
Spam-free.adolescents-.co.uk> writes
Yes. I think they overdid the 'You are Goth. You will be picked on'
angle. Other than that, it was nice to see some quite positive coverage
in print.

As an aside, your spam-free.adolescents reminded me; did I see an
article in the BI saying Poly Styrene was taking part in an art
exhibition a few months back ?

JEB/LARDBloke

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samsam

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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Gothpat wrote in message <35df84b...@news.uk0.vbc.net>...

>I finally read the copy of the Big Issue (Samuel L. Jackson cover)

>that I purchased from the vendor at Highgate Tube stop...


>and there is a favorable column about goths!
>They talk about being at Nefarious and Malice Underground


I thought I'd post the article, as I've put it up on the Tenebrae homepage
(in the SlagHuis). and there are a few comments as well....

samsam
TheSlagHuis: http://www.slaghuis.demon.co.uk

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The following article appeared in The Big Issue, No.297, August 17-23, 1998.

How many goths does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they prefer to sit
in the dark. This rather feeble attempt at humour highlights the main
problem facing the gothic fraternity, namely the ridicule they attract among
a mainstream public who fail to comprehend the celebration of the darker
side of nature. I'm at Nefarious Meets Malice Underground(1), a
collaboration between the only two goth clubs in the capital(2).It
integrates the flamboyant progressive elements of goth culture found at the
Monday night weekly Nefarious, held at Madame JoJo's, with the more relaxed,
traditional fare of Tuesday's Malice Underground at Gossips.

The result is a nostalgic and strangely enjoyable aural attack from Siouxsie
[and the Banshees], Bauhaus, The Damned, and [The] Sisters of Mercy (3) and
a club full of people who resemble extras from a horror movie. "People don't
take goths seriously," complains promoter Batman.(4) "It's never had
credibility. It's more introspective than blatant rebellion and therefore
not so easy to take on board. But I still find it unusual that in such a
tolerant age, goths still get more grief walking down the road than anyone
else."(5) He invites us to make ourselves comfortable, so we hang upside
down from the ceiling.(6) It soon becomes apparent that [in] this twilight
world(7) of paganism, surrealism, and the occult hides a group of
misunderstood individuals keen simply to release the freedom of the
imagination.(8) Goth burst out of punk, borrowing the surreal rather than
the social elements of its predecessor.(9) "It's about self-exploration and
dark dreaming," insists Batman later when I talk to him on his Batphone.
"We're dubious about people because they are dubious about us, and we're
tired of people taking the piss."

Author: Nick Green
lon...@bigissue.com

(1)Well, I prolly shouldn't complain about free publicity, but it would have
been nice if Nick Green had realized (and mentioned) that the actual name of
the club is Tenebrae. That said, it took me a couple of months to figure it
out as I could never read the lettering on the flyers.

(2)Hmm. Guess he's not yet heard of Slimelight.

(3)Not entirely representative of what we play, of course. Don't guess Nick
bothered to ask about any of the bands he was hearing and instead mentioned
the only Goth bands he's heard of. ...And The Damned? We play the Damned?

(4)HeeHee. Well, with a name like "Batman"... ;)

(5)The truest sentence in the article.

(6) I checked with Batman. There was no hanging from the ceiling, in case
you are wondering.

(7)On second thought, maybe he has been to Slimelight after all...

(8)Nick forgot to mention all the drugs, sex, and booze.

(9)Surreal elements of punk? Did I miss something? What's he actually
talking about here? David Bowie?
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TheSlagHuis: http://www.slaghuis.demon.co.uk

Alexander

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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samsam wrote:

> Author: Nick Green
> lon...@bigissue.com

Erm, is this the same Nick Green, Brummie, friend of Lees? Probably not, because
if he was then he'd know better as...

> (1)Well, I prolly shouldn't complain about free publicity, but it would have
> been nice if Nick Green had realized (and mentioned) that the actual name of
> the club is Tenebrae. That said, it took me a couple of months to figure it
> out as I could never read the lettering on the flyers.

He used to be a regular (ish) at Tenebrae and...

> (2)Hmm. Guess he's not yet heard of Slimelight.

He used to be a regular (ish) at Slimelight

~Alexander


Michael Johnson

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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samsam wrote:

>(9)Surreal elements of punk? Did I miss something? What's he actually
>talking about here?

Not a bad encapsulation of how goth started, IMO. After all, the early
goths were basically a bunch of arty, tarty, punks, who'd seen too
many Hammer Horror films and had a distinctly kitsch/surreal sense of
humour.....

'Course, it all went horribly wrong shortly afterwards... ;-)

>David Bowie?

Why not?

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