Q: Tattos, Body Paint, & 'art'
Whisky Dave
tattoos,
turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
From my POV both body painting and transfer tattoos make a lot more sense
after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
Now I see body painting as possibly more individual than either the
average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
How does someone decide after, all I bet they change their style of make-up
and cloths as the year(s) go by. I know you can add tattoos.
But a friend of mine recently (3 months ago) had a bat tattooed on the arm
and has since seen a 'better bat' tattoo and slightly regrets the original,
and saying "I only want one tattoo" in the beginning now feels a little
silly now
having to consider a second preferred one.
I know you can't always get a large stick-on that you like but.....
Another thought
Anyone know if the technology will soon exist that you cab design your own
tattoos like you can for T-Shirts and print them on your home
computer/printer set up, now I bet they'd be a market there.......
zog...@home.com
>
> I was just thinking that some people seem to be a bit snobbish about
> tattoos,
> turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
> From my POV both body painting and transfer tattoos make a lot more sense
> after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
> the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
You just answered your own question there. To someone with tattoos,
transfer types are just twinkies. Much like how Goths would snub
trendies who decide to "dress up as goth" for a night.
> Now I see body painting as possibly more individual than either the
> average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
>
Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
Jodi
<Lots of stuff about tattooing and body paint>
As one of my friends said once, "if tatoos lasted about 3-5 years, I'd
have had several by now".
Jodi
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cole
>tattoos like you can for T-Shirts and print them on your home
>computer/printer set up, now I bet they'd be a market there.......
I don't know about the technology side of it, but I drew my lower back piece
with a little inspiration from a picture I'd seen of somewhere. Tattoos can
be very individual and very personal. Yes, they require more of a
commitment than body paint ever would, but that's what tattoos are all
about.
cole
(who admits to having, at times, been a horrible snob against people with
fake tattoos. yes, I'm a bad, rude person.)
Vix
>I was just thinking that some people seem to be a bit snobbish about
>tattoos,
>turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
>From my POV both body painting and transfer tattoos make a lot more sense
>after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
>the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
>average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
>
I waited three years to get the tattoo I wanted done and in that time and
since, I've not seen one like or anything I would rather have got.
I suppose I'm lucky, but my advice to anyone wantind a tat done is to keep
a picture of what you want done and wait as long as you can.
However, if you're petrfied of needles or just want a tat for the night
then I think transfers/bodypaint do the job just as well. I found they also
help you to decide where in future you want your masterpiece to go.
>snip<
VIX
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Ian Sturrock
gun control thread was finally running out of steam & seeking another
contentious issue for debate, <d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> writes
>I was just thinking that some people seem to be a bit snobbish about
>tattoos,
>turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
I'm not, particularly - I'm probably one of the most extensively
tattooed upgers, but I recognise body painting at least as a valid form
of body art. I'm not sure about transfer tatts - I've seen a few good
ones, but most of 'em just look naff.
>From my POV both body painting and transfer tattoos make a lot more sense
>after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
>the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
Each to their own...
Getting a tattoo is more or less a lifetime commitment. Yeah, there's
laser surgery, but it's very expensive.
Most people are scared of lifetime commitments - with good reason, I
think. There's no way I'd get a tatt if I wasn't certain I wanted to
keep the design for the rest of my life.
>Now I see body painting as possibly more individual than either the
>average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
Possibly, but are there any 'average' tattoos these days? Is anyone on
upg likely to get one in the near future? Most of us live reasonably
near a decent custom tattoo artist (I've happily travelled 3 hours each
way, on a regular basis, for a one hour tattoo appointment).
Average tattoos are not to be denigrated though. Like custom tatts,
they can serve many purposes - tribal marks, rites of passage,
talismanic magic (1). I'm considering getting some traditional sea
tattoos at some point, although I have a lot of other tatts I want first
- because some carnie/sailor/cartoon style tattooing is beautiful, & a
well-crafted piece of flash can look great.
Back to custom work though - why do I get tattooed rather than body-
painted, for the most part? Well, the tattoo artist I go to has a Fine
Art degree and is an accomplished artist, both of the body and of the
canvas. If I'm going to be paying for her time at £60 an hour, I want
artwork that isn't going to come off when I sweat or wash. Oh, she
charges a bit less for body paint or henna, but I can't see myself ever
wanting to pay that much to look good for just one night out. I may be
vain but I like to think I'm practical too. ;)
>How does someone decide after, all I bet they change their style of make-up
>and cloths as the year(s) go by.
I don't really wear makeup, & I've been wearing more or less the same
styles of clothing for the past 12 or 13 years - some of my T-shirts are
at least that old...
Yeah, I guess I have more holographic tops now than I did then, but only
'cos I couldn't get holographic tops in the 80s...
>I know you can add tattoos.
>But a friend of mine recently (3 months ago) had a bat tattooed on the arm
>and has since seen a 'better bat' tattoo and slightly regrets the original,
Well, son, it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret
something you haven't done... (2)
I don't advocate going out and getting tattooed willy-nilly. Pick a
design you like. Imagine it on your body for six months. If you still
like it after that time, think about getting it done.
And shop around. Talk to different tattooists. Take a look at their
flashbooks. Ask them if they do custom work, if they could design a bat
tatt based on this picture you've found. Whatever.
>and saying "I only want one tattoo" in the beginning now feels a little
>silly now
Most people only want one tattoo - then they realise just how superb the
whole experience is, & how fine the results are, & that's when reckless
loonies spend five years getting eight feet of cobra tattooed all over
their back & head. ;)
>Anyone know if the technology will soon exist that you cab design your own
>tattoos like you can for T-Shirts and print them on your home
>computer/printer set up, now I bet they'd be a market there.......
I'm sure Pat Cadigan wrote a story about that...
There's a Windows-compatible embroidery machine available (at around
2000 squi IIRC) which does up to A4, from a jpeg or gif, in a multi-
colours. I'd guess the technology to do the same with tattooing would
be along the same lines, if a lot more complex, & probably with a much
smaller market & so even more expensive.
Ian
(1) Lest anyone think I'm getting overly occult about all this, take the
example of an MUFC tattoo - this can be
a) Tribal mark - the attempt to demonstrate or affirm one's part in the
tribe of MUFC supporters
b) Rite of Passage - a first tattoo, the same as dad's & grandad's.
c) Talismanic magic - to help MUFC win the triple again next year.
(2) Cue gratuitous Butthole Surfers/Orbital reference
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Lily Munster
>Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
>properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
>always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
I agree, but how many people get them done on a whim/fad and then regret
it months later?
Lily
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zog...@home.com
>
> zog...@home.com writes
>
> >Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
> >properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
> >always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
>
> I agree, but how many people get them done on a whim/fad and then regret
> it months later?
Yes, but those arn't proper tattoos. those are silly tattoos. A proper
one should be an external representation of your internal self [1]
Thanatos
[1] And no, I'm not advocating getting tattoos of spleens or livers[2]
[2] oh dear, now I've entered the cult of the endnotes...
Gothae Obscurum
>
> zog...@home.com writes
>
> >Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
> >properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
> >always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
>
> I agree, but how many people get them done on a whim/fad and then regret
> it months later?
About 50% of people, according to a recent survey, regret having tattoos.
It's not something that should be done on a whim. As Ian said earlier, it's a
lifetime commitment.
I thought long and hard about getting mine. I got my first one over 10 years ago
and don't regret it for a minute.
This is how I like to decorate my body. I don't like any form of jewellery (I
even hate wearing a watch).
Cheers
Paul.
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Karl
>This is how I like to decorate my body.
> I don't like any form of jewellery (I even hate wearing a watch).
Maybe this is something that tatoo'ed people have in common or at least a
high corellation for I too hate wearing any jewelry.
Anyway I haven't had much of an option that to think long and hard about my
next tatoo seeing as it is going to cost me in excess of 3000 pounds.
Karl
Revd Evo
>It's not something that should be done on a whim. As Ian said earlier, it's
a
>lifetime commitment.
about 50% of people getting tattooed now are your general townie fashion
victim types. Of course they're going to regret it, as soon as the next
fashion craze comes along...
These are the people who just go in, look at the nearest piece of flash on
the wall and say 'i'll have that'. no thought goes into it, generally
because it's (relatively) cheap to get done. i'v nothing against flash in
general, but these people will spend months looking for a shiny new car or
whatever, which they can get rid of whenever they like, but to most of them,
fashion is disposable. it's only when they find out how much laser removal
costs that they realise what they've done...
i remember when piercing was still fucking wierd, now you can get your cock
pierced on a market stall on sundays for fucks sake... hopefully that will
go out of fashion again soon... at least all the townies can take their ear
and nose rings back out again... i'm just waiting for branding to be trendy,
then i can be really fashionable for a change....
Revd. Evo.
who spent most of last night trying to stretch his ear piercings...
Gothae Obscurum
> Anyway I haven't had much of an option that to think long and hard about my
> next tatoo seeing as it is going to cost me in excess of 3000 pounds.
Wow. And here's me wibbling about £400 to finish off my left arm.
That must be some piece of art, Karl. Tell us more...
Karl
Paul "The man with a mission" wrote:
>> Anyway I haven't had much of an option that
>> to think long and hard about my next tatoo
>> seeing as it is going to cost me in excess of 3000 pounds.
> Wow. And here's me wibbling about £400 to finish
> off my left arm. That must be some piece of art, Karl.
> Tell us more...
Hummm well okay then.
Basically the start point will be a celtic-cross-tribal style 3/4 sleeve on
my left arm which will intergrate the two I already have.
After that has been done the other arm will be done to the same effect.
After this they will be joined across the shoulder blades with a similar
style gradualy getting thinner until they meet in the middle at which point
it will split and go down the spine in a totally tribal style and up to half
way up the neck in againa tribal style.
Not totally finished the designing of it yet but it will be quite big
indeed. Of course becuase it will involve the celtic side it will take a
longtime to do therefore it cost a bit.
Karl
Howard Crowe
tattoos that have become so popular these days.
Around xmas time I suddenly found myself thinking about getting a tattoo and
came up with a design that I really like, said a lot about me and other
people thought was really cool.
I haven't done anything about it yet as I want to live with the idea and see
if it's what I still want in a year or was it just a sudden urge that's
passed?
A few people have suggested I get a henna tattoo done to the same design and
live with that for a while (they last about a month or so I think?)and see
how it looks before making the final commitment.
Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do? Or just trendy?
- Howard
Rob Ingram
"cole" <co...@cali-angel.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> (who admits to having, at times, been a horrible snob against people with
> fake tattoos. yes, I'm a bad, rude person.)
Kind of depends. As someone was saying to me the other night, fake
tattoos should be for fun and therefore obviously fake and tacky and
preferrably slightly worn. :-)
Rob.
Shaun Denney
<howard...@ardentsoftware.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>A few people have suggested I get a henna tattoo done to the same design and
>live with that for a while (they last about a month or so I think?)and see
>how it looks before making the final commitment.
>Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do?
Sounds entirely sensible to me - what looks good on flat paper doesn't
always look good on a living body.
>Or just trendy?
Does that matter? You're just as much a fashion victim if you decide
*not* do something just because it's trendy as you are if you do
something just because it's trendy.
Ignore fashion and do what *you* want.
Cheers
Shaun
cole
Rob Ingram wrote in message <7knvmq$67d$2...@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>...
>Kind of depends. As someone was saying to me the other night, fake
>tattoos should be for fun and therefore obviously fake and tacky and
>preferrably slightly worn. :-)
Good point. I guess as long as the person isn't trying to pass a fake one
off as a real tattoo, then it's not that bad.
And I have no problem with body paint. I've seen some very original and
artistic work done that I quite like.
cole
Paul Kinsler
> Good point. I guess as long as the person isn't trying to pass a
> fake one
> off as a real tattoo, then it's not that bad.
There is, of course, a difference between having a fake tattoo that
looks real; and going around saying "look at my (real) tattoo", when
it's a fake one.
> And I have no problem with body paint. I've seen some very original and
> artistic work done that I quite like.
I dont even have a problem with run-of-the-mill and ordinary body
paint. I might think it's a bit crap, but I couldn't really
get myself worked up enough to actually bother having a problem
with it.
#Paul
Orfeo
>
> I was just thinking that some people seem to be a bit snobbish about
> tattoos,
> turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
> after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
> the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
> average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
i agree... however my problem is that i'm a) crap at body painting and
b) too poor to keep buying tattoos... so i don't bother with either.
ah well.
-orf
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Orfeo
> Yes, but those arn't proper tattoos. those are silly tattoos. A proper
> one should be an external representation of your internal self [1]
very true. however i'm just too bloody indesicive.
Orfeo
> about 50% of people getting tattooed now are your general townie fashion
> victim types. Of course they're going to regret it, as soon as the next
> fashion craze comes along...
that's true, but i can usually tell the difference between the townie
fashion tattoo/piercings and the more... well... personalized ones...
and i think most people can, thankfully.
> and nose rings back out again... i'm just waiting for branding to be trendy,
> then i can be really fashionable for a change....
hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
> Revd. Evo.
>
> who spent most of last night trying to stretch his ear piercings...
wahey, it's a lark innit? *orf, who spent sunday watching others strech
theres*
-orfeo
Orfeo
> About 50% of people, according to a recent survey, regret having tattoos.
> It's not something that should be done on a whim. As Ian said earlier, it's a
> lifetime commitment.
> I thought long and hard about getting mine. I got my first one over 10 years ago
> and don't regret it for a minute.
true... and if i ever decided on one design, i'll probably do it... i've
got no problems with tattoos or anything... or those who wear them... i
just can't make my mind up.
-orf
Orfeo
> how it looks before making the final commitment.
>
> Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do? Or just trendy?
it sounds like a good idea, but i just hate how henna looks- it's brown,
for god's sake, and most of the designs are trendy/60's
revival/hippy(tm) shite.
Paul Kinsler
> hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
Yeah. Try a full-face (Maori) moko, done in the
traditional way with greenstone adzes and charcoal.
#Paul
Mel
> Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
> properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
> always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
You must have great faith, or a static life. I can't think of any image
that would have represented me at age 18 that would still be valid. That
includes the tattoo that I have (which, though it doesn't represent me,
I'm not bothered about).
Hmmm, though I suppose something feline would have done.
/Mel/
NP:
Mel
wrote:
> >This is how I like to decorate my body.
> > I don't like any form of jewellery (I even hate wearing a watch).
>
> Maybe this is something that tatoo'ed people have in common or at least
> a
> high corellation for I too hate wearing any jewelry.
Good point. I've had occasional jewellery fads, but mostly I've preferred
to be unadorned. Part of the reason I had me ear lobe tattooed rather than
anywhere else is that I couldn't be bothered with making earrings.
/Mel/
NP:
zog...@home.com
>
> You must have great faith, or a static life. I can't think of any image
>neither. I just know myself, and have something that represents me, even if I change.
Thanatos.
Jodi
>hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
Ick?
Lily Munster
>A few people have suggested I get a henna tattoo done to the same design and
>live with that for a while (they last about a month or so I think?)and see
>how it looks before making the final commitment.
>
>Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do? Or just trendy?
To be honest, I've had a few henna ones done (one was done in the tattoo
museum in Amsterdam) and they don't last even if you follow the
instructions. I myself don't like the colour of them either - but as a
precursor to a real one I suppose it would give you a vague idea.
Lily
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hatty
Lily Munster wrote in message ...
>Howard Crowe <howard...@ardentsoftware.co.uk> writes
>
>>A few people have suggested I get a henna tattoo done to the same
design and
>>live with that for a while (they last about a month or so I think?)and
see
>>how it looks before making the final commitment.
>>
>>Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do? Or just trendy?
>
>To be honest, I've had a few henna ones done (one was done in the
tattoo
>museum in Amsterdam) and they don't last even if you follow the
>instructions. I myself don't like the colour of them either - but as a
>precursor to a real one I suppose it would give you a vague idea.
Just got back from Ibiza where there is a henna tattooist on every
corner - therefore lots of people in the clubs with their "holiday
tattoo". I got the impression they don`t last very long. Saw a fair few
people with blurred splodges. I wonder if that was the poor quality of
the tattoo though. There seemed to be brown, brown almost black and blue
on offer.
I see nothing wrong with temporary tattoos, people wear temporary
make-up after-all. Quite fancy a UV crown of thorns myself especially at
Easter.
Lily, out of interest, as you had your henna ones done properly, did it
fade away with dignity or did it go splodge? How long did you find they
lasted for? Does anything affect them like severe clubbing (ie sweating,
being hot) or clothes rubbing against them?
Temp tattoos might make for good practice for hiding tattoos from work
(for those that have to) and from parents. I was 31 when I finally
admitted to my parents that the reason I sleep in an anorak and several
jumpers when I visit was not a sensitivity for the cold.
hatty
Revd Evo
>> and nose rings back out again... i'm just waiting for branding to be
trendy,
>> then i can be really fashionable for a change....
>
>hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
yup, they're bloody painful....
Revd. Evo.
who did his himself....
Miriam McDonald
> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:39:41 +0100, Orfeo wrote:
>
> >hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
>
> Ick?
Hmm, I've got non-intentional (and not hugely decorative) facial
scarring, and it's the one thing I wouldn't consider changing. Nose job,
yeah, other surgery, why not, but lose the scar - never. You can feel
them as well as see them. That said, they're even more difficult to get
rid of than tattoos, so be damn sure you want one. And they change a lot
with age.
Miriam
Taz
I've had 3 tattoos done/added to over the last couple of years, but
spent a few more years thinking about it & deciding which ones I
wanted. Part of that process did include fakes (transfers & henna jobs)
which is a good enough way of getting used to the idea. I still use
them occasionally as an extension of my make-up/accessories/outfit -
whatever fits that night's look! OK, so they can look a bit naff, but
in a fun way (not like 'Love/Hate' on your knuckles, which can hardly
be described as art...)
Getting tattoos can be addictive though - once you've taken the plunge
& realised it's not *that* painful after all, its a lot easier to keep
going back. After 5 visits I'm now having to stop myself - I'm more
than happy with the ones I've got (all dragons - some may think that
unimaginative but I prefer to think of it as giving a sort of co-
ordinated effect...) but any more would be overkill on me. Plus, much
as I hate to admit it, anything that can't be easily covered up would
*not* be a good career move (bah!)
Taz
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Howard Crowe
Orfeo wrote in message <376FCB...@ELF-SHOTvirgin.net>...
>Howard Crowe wrote:
>
>> how it looks before making the final commitment.
>>
>> Would anyone suggest that as a reasonable thing to do? Or just trendy?
>
>for god's sake, and most of the designs are trendy/60's
>revival/hippy(tm) shite.
>
Fair point but I was hoping I might be able to get my own design done or at
least something like it.
The brown colour isn't great but it might give a reasonable idea of how a
proper one would look.
Thanks to everyone who's commented.
- Howard
Orfeo
> >
> > Ick?
>
> Hmm, I've got non-intentional (and not hugely decorative) facial
> scarring, and it's the one thing I wouldn't consider changing. Nose job,
> yeah, other surgery, why not, but lose the scar - never.
any reason why, miriam?
> And they change a lot
> with ag
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Orfeo
> traditional way with greenstone adzes and charcoal.
yeah, sure. *sarcasm*
-orf
Orfeo
> Kind of depends. As someone was saying to me the other night, fake
> tattoos should be for fun and therefore obviously fake and tacky and
> preferrably slightly worn. :-)
on the subject of fakes, does the quality, apperence, length, etc,
depend on skin type? cuz i know my mate jon can wear the things and 70%
of the time people'll think they look real, but with me, they look
rediculously tacky...
-orfeo
Lily Munster
>
>Lily, out of interest, as you had your henna ones done properly, did it
>fade away with dignity or did it go splodge? How long did you find they
>lasted for? Does anything affect them like severe clubbing (ie sweating,
>being hot) or clothes rubbing against them?
Well they never looked particularly 'vivid' anyway - I found them a
disappointment. But they did fade away to a 'mucky - you've not had a
wash for ages' look. The more you shower/bath then the quicker they
fade but I don't think any of mine have lasted more than a week and a
half. I found that buying the paste myself and 'doodling' (as I could
hardly call it art) lasted longer but then that was a bad thing as it
looked crap!
Madonna's hands looked great, vivid, artistic and 'black' - but it ain't
henna.
Lily
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MindyGoth
wrote:
>I waited three years to get the tattoo I wanted done and in that time and
>since, I've not seen one like or anything I would rather have got.
>I suppose I'm lucky, but my advice to anyone wantind a tat done is to keep
>a picture of what you want done and wait as long as you can.
My problem is I know what I REALLY want, but I can't find a picture of
it that I really like to take to an artist, and also, as I am so fussy
that it should be "Just So" I am worried that if the tattooist doesn't
quite do it right, it will piss me off forever. I almost feel more
comfortable with the idea of getting something more decorative,
straight off flash, because then it doesn't need to be perfect.....
Sounds strange I guess, but thats me.....
MindyGoth
chr...@bu.edu
body already to ever wanna risk adding another if I ever lose interest
in my tattoo. I agree that body paint is somehow much more artistic
and personal than temps but then again, i can't ever draw straight
stick figures.
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:32:53 +0100, Orfeo <orf...@ELF-SHOTvirgin.net>
wrote:
>Whisky Dave wrote:
>>
>> I was just thinking that some people seem to be a bit snobbish about
>> tattoos,
>> turning their nose up at transfer tattoos and maybe body painting.
>> From my POV both body painting and transfer tattoos make a lot more sense
>> after all it's only a form of make-up that you may not want to keep for
>> the rest of your life or for that matter even a year or more.
>> Now I see body painting as possibly more individual than either the
>> average tattoo or transfer tattoo.
>
>i agree... however my problem is that i'm a) crap at body painting and
>b) too poor to keep buying tattoos... so i don't bother with either.
>
>ah well.
>
>-orf
chr...@bu.edu
wrote:
>Gothae Obscurum wrote:
>
>> About 50% of people, according to a recent survey, regret having tattoos.
>> It's not something that should be done on a whim. As Ian said earlier, it's a
>> lifetime commitment.
>> I thought long and hard about getting mine. I got my first one over 10 years ago
>> and don't regret it for a minute.
>
>true... and if i ever decided on one design, i'll probably do it... i've
>got no problems with tattoos or anything... or those who wear them... i
>just can't make my mind up.
I think thats my whole problem right there. my fancies change so much
there is absolutely no guarantee that the tattoo i get today i will
stil like a week from now. I have nothing against tattooes or people
with them either i just know it isn't for me personally. i do however
think that a tattoo that is done to truly reflect the person and done
well is to be admired. it is a great piece of art.
chr...@bu.edu
delicate silver dragon tattoo somewhere on myself if i ever realy did
decide to go for a tattoo? i was wondering how the dragons looked and
how the tattoo process works. i mean, how can you be sure that the
pic you see and choose will be the one the artist draws? what if he's
bad at it?
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:53:35 GMT, Taz <tara....@delavan.co.uk>
wrote:
Miriam McDonald
> > yeah, other surgery, why not, but lose the scar - never.
>
> any reason why, miriam?
I dunno. I guess 'cause I hated it all the way through school, but that meant
I've grown accustomed to it as part of *me*. To top it all off, it's not as
though the rest of me's ruined by a scar... If I had it got rid of, I'd just
want to have everything else made perfect too! Inherited features are part of
one's family. Accidental scars are to do with individual life. Besides,
they're strange to touch - very tactile. They also tend to be distinct,
especially when they weren't acquired on purpose. No two are the same.
Miriam
Taz
> can i just say that i'm a real dragon fan and would love a nice,
> delicate silver dragon tattoo somewhere on myself if i ever realy did
> decide to go for a tattoo? i was wondering how the dragons looked and
> how the tattoo process works. i mean, how can you be sure that the
> pic you see and choose will be the one the artist draws? what if he's
> bad at it?
Mine aren't too detailed - just silhouettes that the guy traced off. So
he couldn't go too far wrong really!
emma
> Lily, out of interest, as you had your henna ones done properly,
> did it fade away with dignity or did it go splodge? How long did you
> find they lasted for? Does anything affect them like severe clubbing
> (ie sweating, being hot) or clothes rubbing against them?
if i may squeeze in here....
i got a tube of pre mixed henna tattoo goo from the same shop i get my
hair dye [arabesque, newcastle] & played at drawing squiggly lines on my
leg. loads of fun. i left the goo on for a couple of hours & when rinced
the squiggles were quite pale to start with but developed a much darker
shade over the next few days. they remained quite vivid for a good
couple of weeks & faded after about a month.
as for colour, this was a tube 'normal' brown but black is available -
http://www.hennaheadquarters.com/ do mail order kits.
in the uk halawa henna [http://www.halawahenna.demon.co.uk] supply their
registered artists with a range of what they call 'henna-based' colours.
love,
emma
emma
> i was wondering how the dragons looked and
> how the tattoo process works. i mean, how can you be sure that the
> pic you see and choose will be the one the artist draws? what if he's
> bad at it?
the best insurance is to do your home work. there are plenty of artists
around, although you may have to travel [& given the investment you're
making you'd naturally want the best person for the job...].
the magazines [my personal fave being skin deep] are an excellent way of
seeing what can be achieved & who's achieving it.
many artists do custom work & will be happy to develop your ideas with
you. this could be anything from 'please do this picture i've brought
in' to a much more fluid exchange of ideas & influences. you certainly
don't have to have something picked off the wall.
but in the end it comes down to trust. select an artist whom you feel
understands and can address your concerns & whom you can trust to
execute your vision.
love,
emma
zog...@home.com
>
> can i just say that i'm a real dragon fan and would love a nice,
> delicate silver dragon tattoo somewhere on myself if i ever realy did
> decide to go for a tattoo?
Ahhh, you're in the same boat that I am... Currently the only Mettalic
(read: Silver and gold) inks that are available, tend to cause scarring
and cancer. A few more years wait we have for decent looking and
non-lethal metallics.
Thane.
Orfeo
> Fair point but I was hoping I might be able to get my own design done or at
> least something like it.
yep. that'd solve the hippy problem.
> The brown colour isn't great but it might give a reasonable idea of how a
> proper one would look.
yeah that's a good idea...
but...
brown...
ewwww...
Orfeo
>
> Orfeo wrote:
>
> > > yeah, other surgery, why not, but lose the scar - never.
> >
> > any reason why, miriam?
>
> I dunno. I guess 'cause I hated it all the way through school, but that meant
> I've grown accustomed to it as part of *me*.
oh... fair enough, i guess. thanks for the insight into your psyche. ;)
Bridie Przibram
writes
>chr...@bu.edu wrote:
>
>> i was wondering how the dragons looked and
>> how the tattoo process works. i mean, how can you be sure that the
>> pic you see and choose will be the one the artist draws? what if he's
>> bad at it?
>
>the best insurance is to do your home work. there are plenty of artists
>around, although you may have to travel [& given the investment you're
>making you'd naturally want the best person for the job...].
And be prepared to pay - a cheap tattoo is a cheap tattoo.
>the magazines [my personal fave being skin deep] are an excellent way of
>seeing what can be achieved & who's achieving it.
And don't be afraid to ask people who have tattoos you like where they
had them done. There's nothing a tattooed person likes better than
showing off their body art to interested parties.
Also, subscribe to rec.arts.bodyart, although it's mostly US-based.
>
>many artists do custom work & will be happy to develop your ideas with
>you. this could be anything from 'please do this picture i've brought
>in' to a much more fluid exchange of ideas & influences. you certainly
>don't have to have something picked off the wall.
>
>but in the end it comes down to trust. select an artist whom you feel
>understands and can address your concerns & whom you can trust to
>execute your vision.
Like, totally.
Bridie
Vix
else to. As for the tatooist, the best bet is to find people who've had
work done and then ask them where they went to. The finished settled
result is always the best way to tell if they're good enough or not.
VIX
ICQ:38963701
Seek and ye shall find me!
emma
*waves*
> And don't be afraid to ask people who have tattoos you like where they
> had them done. There's nothing a tattooed person likes better than
> showing off their body art to interested parties.
mind you a friend of mine is getting quite fed up of being man-handled
by old dears in safeways - yanking on her arm & pushing her round to
look at her back with a reassuring 'it's all right dear, my
niece/grandaughter etc has one'....
> Like, totally.
dude.
love,
emma
Grannyflash
> > bad at it?
>
> he couldn't go too far wrong really!
> Taz
your drawing then put marker over it and transfer it to your skin. Then
off you go. Black lines "hurt" more than color fill in and don't fade as
easily.
My tatoo on my ass hurt more than the one on the back of my neck which
actually felt good like an intense acupunture to relieve neck stress.
Another thing to keep in mind with your design is where the needle goes
in. Over you shoulder blades or brest bones may be more sensitive than
over muscle. If it's a sensitive area to the touch than it's sensitive
to the needle. I have designed my back tatoo according to where it's
going to go over bone. Thin lines over bone thicker lines over muscle.
I find that choosing one that goes with something of your culture won't
change. Much like the tribal ones of the south seas. My first tatoo was
a tribute to my daughter...boyfriends come and go but my daughter will
always be in my life...so that will never change...the other tatoo has
to do with my Cajun heritage...so I tatooed some pretty Art Nouveau type
lines ...much like the grill work in the French Quarters in New Orleans.
So my heritage won't change either. I have yet to regret the
tatoos...however they are in places I can choose to show or not...as I
work in a corporate office and don't want to think I didn't get promoted
because my tatoo's showed...but that's my choice and may no be yours.
I hope this helps..it is a commitment to a body ornament.
Anna
who likes her tatoos and wants one in the front so she can admire it
without a mirror,,,;-)
Whisky Dave
Paul Kinsler <kin...@bloch.leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:1999062218...@bloch.leeds.ac.uk...
> In article <376FCA...@ELF-SHOTvirgin.net> orfeo wrote:
> > hmmm... any thoughts on decorative scars?
>
> traditional way with greenstone adzes and charcoal.
Does it look like the result of a Glasweagain kiss.
;-)
Whisky Dave
Orfeo <orf...@ELF-SHOTvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:376FC9...@ELF-SHOTvirgin.net...
> zog...@home.com wrote:
>
>
> very true. however i'm just too bloody indesicive.
>
Are you sure about that ?. ;-)
Whisky Dave
Miriam McDonald <miriam....@futurenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3771E735...@futurenet.co.uk...
> Orfeo wrote:
>
> > > yeah, other surgery, why not, but lose the scar - never.
> >
> > any reason why, miriam?
>
> I dunno. I guess 'cause I hated it all the way through school, but that
meant
as
> though the rest of me's ruined by a scar.
The worry of removing the scar might also make us perfect after all
and make one a pretentions Goth with a very good reason. ;-)
>They also tend to be distinct,
> especially when they weren't acquired on purpose. No two are the same.
Exactly makes un individuals :)
Whisky Dave
Mel <mel@cix...co...uk> wrote in message
news:memo.19990622...@mel.compulink.co.uk...
> In article <376E5EB9...@home.com>, zog...@home.com () wrote:
>
> > Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
> > properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
> > always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
>
> You must have great faith, or a static life. I can't think of any image
> that would have represented me at age 18 that would still be valid.
This is the point I'm trying to make.
If you have to think about art is it really art[1].
Surly these this should depict the way you feel at the time and not some
contrived image. Although I guess it's still better than going in to a
tattoo shop and saying I'll have that one.
I don't watch the films or really listen to the same music as I did 10
years ago.
Why hell I've even changed my underwear in that time ;-)
A friend of mine took 7 years thinking about a tattoo and then got a bat
done,
it looks good but .............
If I wanted imagery of any sort I'd probably only be happy with it for a
short while,
unless it was something from Star Trek of course :)
Whisky Dave
cole <co...@cali-angel.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7km72t$u3d$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >Anyone know if the technology will soon exist that you cab design your
own
> >tattoos like you can for T-Shirts and print them on your home
> >computer/printer set up, now I bet they'd be a market there.......
>
>
> I don't know about the technology side of it, but I drew my lower back
piece
> with a little inspiration from a picture I'd seen of somewhere. Tattoos
can
> be very individual and very personal. Yes, they require more of a
> commitment than body paint ever would, but that's what tattoos are all
> about.
Is that realy what they are about though, I've think of them as just
another piece
of body art like soiuxie eye makeup, blusher, sparkerly bits, belts,
jewlery etc.
Something you may well not like the rest of your life.
Howard Crowe
Whisky Dave wrote in message <7l7si6$i63$1...@beta.qmw.ac.uk>...
I used to be but now I'm not so sure!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist crawling out from under my rock and throwing that in.
Back to the darkness.....
- Howard
Bridie Przibram
<d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> writes
>> I don't know about the technology side of it, but I drew my lower back
>piece
>> with a little inspiration from a picture I'd seen of somewhere. Tattoos
>can
>> be very individual and very personal. Yes, they require more of a
>> commitment than body paint ever would, but that's what tattoos are all
>> about.
>
>Is that realy what they are about though, I've think of them as just
>another piece
>of body art like soiuxie eye makeup, blusher, sparkerly bits, belts,
>jewlery etc.
>Something you may well not like the rest of your life.
If you approach the art of tattooing as the millenia-old art form that
it is, ass opposed to a late twentoeth-century fashion accessory then
yes, it can be very individual and personal. As I think it has been
discussed here already, tattoos can either mark you as part of a tribe,
such as a MUFC Red Devil, or it can mark you out as an individual, by
use of abstract squiggles that have been custom designed by the wearer
that are a deep-rooted message from the soul, or whatever.
Tattooing as an art-form is a weapon we as human beings possess in the
war against nature. We were born into the body we have, and had little
or no control at the time over what we wanted that body to look like.
We can dye our hair, wear make-up and contact lenses and choose our
clothing to express our cultural allegiences, but more permanent
modifications such as tattooing, scarification and even cosmetic surgery
present us with methods of permanently altering our bodies in accordance
with our will.
>
Take control, get tattooed!
--
Bridie
Choose life...choose a job...choose a career...choose a fucking big
pompadour...sedan chairs...string quartets and duels at dawn...
cole
of a
>> commitment than body paint ever would, but that's what tattoos are all
about.
>
>Is that realy what they are about though, I've think of them as just
>another piece
>of body art like soiuxie eye makeup, blusher, sparkerly bits, belts,
>jewlery etc.
>Something you may well not like the rest of your life.
True, you may very well regret a tattoo later in life (which is why
tattooing the name of a girl/boyfriend is NEVER a good idea). However, I
think if it's something you truly want, and you take the time to come up
with a design that means something to you, then chances are you'll always
appreciate it. My lower back one has personal significance to me, and will
always be there to remind me of my ability to overcome a difficult period in
my life.
However, having said all of this, I think tattoos are extremely personal and
don't require justification. If you don't think you could ever come up with
a design that you could like your whole life, then by all means, don't get
one. But at least respect the views of those who look upon themselves as a
canvas, and see the needle and ink as a way to express themselves upon it.
cole
Ian Sturrock
<d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> writes
>
>Mel <mel@cix...co...uk> wrote in message
>news:memo.19990622...@mel.compulink.co.uk...
>> You must have great faith, or a static life. I can't think of any image
>> that would have represented me at age 18 that would still be valid.
>
>This is the point I'm trying to make.
>If you have to think about art is it really art[1].
>Surly these this should depict the way you feel at the time and not some
>contrived image.
To some extent tatts do depict the way you feel at the time - but what's
your objection to having a living, beautiful, artistic history of your
life all over your body? Sounds pretty good to me.
>I don't watch the films or really listen to the same music as I did 10
>years ago.
I prefer to expand my taste in music, moviers, art, whatever, rather
than attempt to alter it.
--
"I am a free prince, and I have as much authority to make war on the whole world
as he who has a hundred sail of ships at sea, and an army of 100,000 men in the
field, and thus my conscience tells me." (Captain Bellamy. A Pirate)
Daniel Strangelove
<d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Mel <mel@cix...co...uk> wrote in message
>news:memo.19990622...@mel.compulink.co.uk...
>> In article <376E5EB9...@home.com>, zog...@home.com () wrote:
>>
>> > Really? I find tattoos to be very individual (especially if done
>> > properly) If is about finding something that represents you, and will
>> > always represent you. Not something that looks cool for a day or two
>>
>> You must have great faith, or a static life. I can't think of any image
>> that would have represented me at age 18 that would still be valid.
>
My passport photo was taken at 15, and no longer even vaguely
resembles me.
>This is the point I'm trying to make.
>If you have to think about art is it really art[1].
>Surly these this should depict the way you feel at the time and not some
>contrived image. Although I guess it's still better than going in to a
>tattoo shop and saying I'll have that one.
I got my tattoo about two weeks ago, and I'm very happy with it. It's
totally of my own design, and slightly abstract, so I can hang any
'artistic' or interpretive significance on it that I wish...
"Oh, yeah, it represents all things and nothing - or maybe the way
everything is circled by nothing - er, no, it represents directional
uncertainty - No, wait, it's an ancient eldritch symbol - Ah, fuck it,
it just looks kewl."
>I don't watch the films or really listen to the same music as I did 10
>years ago.
>Why hell I've even changed my underwear in that time ;-)
So rich...
>A friend of mine took 7 years thinking about a tattoo and then got a bat
>done,
>it looks good but .............
But what? Too cliched? Or are you missing an extra 't' and were trying
to hint at its location?
Daniel Strangelove
"Winona Forever"
Daniel Strangelove
<co...@cali-angel.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>True, you may very well regret a tattoo later in life (which is why
>tattooing the name of a girl/boyfriend is NEVER a good idea).
Johnny Depp, is that you?
I wouldn't mind having Ms Ryder's name tattooed on my bicep (as soon
as I can find it, that is.) Yeah, and right underneath I could have a
picture of Matt Damon's fat face being attacked by big spiders with
sharp teeth.
Sorry, don't know what came over me there.
Daniel Strangelove
"I was saying 'let me out of here' before I was even born,
It's such a gamble when you get a face"
Jodi
>True, you may very well regret a tattoo later in life (which is why
>tattooing the name of a girl/boyfriend is NEVER a good idea).
My friend's brother is a tattoo artist and for that very reason, he
refuses to tattoo the names of girl/boyfriends on people at all. He
will, however, do tattooes with peoples' kids names.
Mind you, he's also lost count of the number of team logos he's tatooed
on professional sports players butts, only for them to get traded to
another team the following week....
Jodi
--
as a matter of fact, I do own the dance floor
Whisky Dave
Daniel Strangelove <hyo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:37850e50...@news.freenet.co.uk...
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:39:02 +0100, "Whisky Dave"
> <d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I got my tattoo about two weeks ago, and I'm very happy with it. It's
> totally of my own design, and slightly abstract, so I can hang any
> 'artistic' or interpretive significance on it that I wish...
>
That's the best way I suppose.
>
> >A friend of mine took 7 years thinking about a tattoo and then got a bat
> >done,
> >it looks good but .............
>
> But what? Too cliched? Or are you missing an extra 't' and were trying
> to hint at its location?
No, 2 weeks later she wished it was bigger and a slightly different colour.
What I can't help wondering is whether the 'kewl' designs will look quite
as 'kewl'
in X years time.
Daniel Strangelove
<d.wil...@elec.qmw.ac.uk> wrote:
>What I can't help wondering is whether the 'kewl' designs will look quite
>as 'kewl'
>in X years time.
>
Well, I certainly can't imagine anyone here hanging onto a fashion
that had its heyday over, say, 15 years ago. Eep.
Daniel Strangelove
"There's a four-thirty in the morning now?"
Mel
(Whisky Dave) wrote:
> What I can't help wondering is whether the 'kewl' designs will look
> quite
> as 'kewl'
> in X years time.
I can't help wondering if words like 'kewl' will still be in vogue in six
months time. =:-p
/Mel/
NP:
Whisky Dave
Mel <mel@cix...co...uk> wrote in message
How many tatto wearers (there must be a proper group name for them ;-)
have word or letters on themselves.
Ine last though thing,
Anyone have a list (URL) of this years additions to the Oxford English
Dictonary.
zog...@home.com
>
> How many tatto wearers (there must be a proper group name for them ;-)
> have word or letters on themselves.
Human (body) canvases?