Reported a Chinese Scammer to eBay & the relpy was..........
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Just received an Email from eBay China: cnrsw...@ebay.com
Quoting the following:
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I presume if I had Chinese language pack installed it would show me the text
rather than all the question marks
As I only understand English, German, French & Spanish I would still be
non-the-wiser
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stacionline
only stealing the auction photos of others (the original artist as a
matter of fact) but stating that they themselves (the Chinese seller)
are the original artist. BALONEY!!! They (bad seller) is even saying
that he painted Dali and Renoir....
We have had success getting one listing of his/hers pulled, but it was
RElisted less than an hour later. We again had it pulled. However,
there has been no success in getting a cuonterfeit of well-known artist
June Moore. Don't know why it's still there, several of us including
Ms. Moore herself have reported it to ebay. Grrrrrrr!
Imagine having not only your auction stolen, but also YOUR creativity,
imagination and art work! Grrrrrrr!
Good Luck to us all in preventing eBay's continual support of
fraudulent sellers. Possibly ebay does not care since it gets it's
fees.... SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
btw: I found your post by googling "cnrsw...@ebay.com"
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Amanda Angelika
stacionline <staci...@yahoo.com> typed:
> Me, too! There are a group of us reporting an ebay seller who is not
> only stealing the auction photos of others (the original artist as a
> matter of fact) but stating that they themselves (the Chinese seller)
> are the original artist. BALONEY!!!
Quite a lot of so called "original art" on eBay and in the highstreet to is
manufactured in China on production lines. That's been going on for years.
Well I used to have a friend who owned a framing shop back in the 1980s. He
used to buy them in bulk from trade fairs for about £5 painting on rolled
canvas, bung them in frames and sell them for £100+ Actually they used to
come unsigned and he made up a whole school of bogus local artists whose
names he could sign them with LOL
To be honest as an artist myself I wish the public weren't so gullible and
could tell the difference between a pile of shite painted in China and a
genuine original artwork. Some people are capable of telling the difference,
but unfortunately most people are not. Of course the other aspect is you
would be lucky to buy one of my larger works for less than a couple of
thousand pounds whereas the bogus sweatshop "art" can be had dirt cheap, one
wouldn't even want to compete.
Of course the saddest thing about it is when you see people taking grandma's
original painting to an auctioneer for valuation only to find out it's a
valueless pile of shite. Course it's a bit embarrassing to because people
should be able to tell the difference between a truly original paintings and
something mass produced in a sweat shop. Particularly with representational
works, because most of those mass produced works are absolute shite and you
can see it a mile off.
They (bad seller) is even saying
> that he painted Dali and Renoir....
Well a great deal of Dali's work and all Renoirs paintings are in the public
domain in terms of copyright, so you wouldn't have any problem painting
copies as long as you state they are copies, and don't attribute them to the
original artist. Art forgery is illegal, copying is not.
Actually the position of copyrights when it comes to copies of original
paintings is a bit unclear in any case. Because obviosly with hand painted
copies, another artist is creating a rendition and any simularities depend
on the skill of the copyist and is an interperetation rather than a direct
copy in any case, so differs from mechanical or electronic forms of copying.
> We have had success getting one listing of his/hers pulled, but it was
> RElisted less than an hour later. We again had it pulled. However,
> there has been no success in getting a cuonterfeit of well-known
> artist June Moore. Don't know why it's still there, several of us
> including Ms. Moore herself have reported it to ebay. Grrrrrrr!
I suppose it depends how it's described. The copyright position on hand
painted copies or interpretations of other works of art or even photographs
is unclear, whilst such works are derivative they are not exact copies so
it's a grey area. Forgery is a different matter though.
And of couse if these people are using other people's photographs that's
clearly against eBay's rules and is copyright infringement. And of couse the
actual hand copy may bear little resembace to the original in any case so
using an image of an original to represent a copy that hasn't even been
painting yet is a mis-description.
> Imagine having not only your auction stolen, but also YOUR creativity,
> imagination and art work! Grrrrrrr!
Well it could well happen to me, but apart from basque in the glory and
flattery of being imitated there probably isn't much one can do about it.
> Good Luck to us all in preventing eBay's continual support of
> fraudulent sellers. Possibly ebay does not care since it gets it's
> fees.... SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
Well the whole 3rd World art scam has existed for years now and eBay is
absolutely infested with bogus artists and mass produced paintings (though
there are many genuine artists on eBay to). Problem is there is no clear
definition of the word "Art" or even "original". These people can get away
with calling mass produced paintings Original art and con the general public
out of millions of pounds, and unfortunately most people don't know enough
about art to know the difference. Well lets face it a lot of people can't
even tell the difference between a painting and a print. So the market is
wide open to scammers and con merchants selling rubbish to a public that
isn't even educated to a sufficient standard to know any different.
It's a scandal really and totally outrageous. But in some ways visual
literacy is vastly underrated within Capitalist societies, and art education
isn't particularly encouraged much beyond a certain basic level. This is
mainly because the public are meant to be brainwashed into buying consumer
goods by mass market advertising, and don't actually need to know the secret
of the Black Magic box. Well manipulation always works best if people are
unaware they are being manipulated or how they are being manipulated, so
limiting education is all part of the mass conspiracy. And of course one
even has the Turner Prize, which is more of a media fiasco and Government
and multi-national corporation propaganda designed to create the illusion
all art is rubbish and thus make certain the public have closed minds toward
anything isn't under the control of the illuminati. To stop them partaking
of the tree of Knowledge and recognising the Holy Grail of personal Godhood
:)
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Amanda