How many items will you be posting to ebay for there 10p listing special ???
Hmmmmmm
so i guess its gonna cost me six quid....
does the 10p deal inculde buy it nows???
Homer
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>None! I posted them all 10 minutes before I received the email! :-(
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Hmmmmmm
fingers cross i should see the dosh come rolling in.
why not take a 2nd look at other items you may still have thats worth a free
relist ???!?!?!
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Might not do anything with this one, as it's not actually an *F*LD.
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> so i guess its gonna cost me six quid....
>
> does the 10p deal inculde buy it nows???
>
>
save until September.
David
Emma
>Might not do anything with this one, as it's not actually an *F*LD.
Probably not worth it for stuff that you'd usually put on at 99p (so pay
15p fee) but if you have anything with a higher starting price then you
will save a bit on the fees.
I've got one item going on for a start price of £24.99 so that will save
me some on fees.
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Gill
> so i guess its gonna cost me six quid....
>
> does the 10p deal inculde buy it nows???
It does include buy it nows - I'm going to put up some multi item BINs and
see how they do.
Might also do a few higher priced starts, but I won't be going too wild! I'm
still relisting items from the last FLD anyway :-)
BTW, the free relist is only if it sells second time - presumably if it
doesn't, you'll pay the higher fee second time round.
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Some items (for instance in the antique and collectable field) may have high
value but are difficult to sell because they do not fit into eBay categories
(so are hard for potential buyers to find) or there are only half a dozen
potential buyers who may not be online in any given week, so there is a real
chance the item will not sell, or there is no competitive bidding.
Let us assume that you have an item which you plan to list in the next few
weeks at say £50, hoping it will bid up towards £100.
The thing to do today is to list it now at a cost of 10p (or 20p under two
headings) at a starting price of £100. If it sells bingo, if not you can
readvertise it at the time and price you previously planned - with the hope
of a relist refund if it sells! In the worst case you get two bites at the
cherry for only 10p more than the amount you were prepared to pay for a
single listing. In the best case you sell for the top price for 10p. This
approach also gives you have the chance to redo the listing, and perhaps
change categories, for the second listing, if the first one does not attract
interest, increasing the chance of selling the second time round.
The other advantage is that someone who is interested sees it at £100 and
says "too much" - but when it comes up again four weeks later at a start
price of £50 they think "What a bargain, someone was asking £100 for a
similar item last month ..." and slaps in a bid.
Chris
Amanda Angelika
This is why high fees and restrictions on reserve price auctions are a silly
idea in some categories. Unlike retail items, Art, antiques and collectables
usually have a market value commensurate to what people will pay for them.
IOW the prices of such items are normally set by popularity and demand and
such items are therefore natural reserve price auction items.
Whilst a fee structure based on start price and reserve works well for
retail items because it helps ensure buyers get bargains or at least don't
pay well over the odds for things, so helps prevent people getting ripped
off and helps make eBay a safe place to buy things. IMO these fee policies
work badly in the Art, antiques and collectables categories.
Personally I think sellers are discouraged from listing high value and high
quality antiques and art where listing fees are based on the start price and
reserve. Such items tend to be slow turn-over items in any case because they
rely on specialised markets, and consequently it is highly likely that such
items will need to be listed more than once thus pushing the listing costs
even higher. So eBay tends to be unattractive to sellers of higher quality
art and antiques, because there is every likelihood that listing such items
will be un-profitable.
What this means in practice is rather than encourage high quality and choice
to buyers, the fee structure encourages cheaper items, and whilst there are
some good genuine pieces about at highly competitive prices (real bargains),
including some nice art (wink wink http://tinyurl.com/q5hx). There is also a
great deal of dross, fakes, copies, cheap 3rd world imports etc.
IMO eBay's current usual fee structure operates very poorly in the Art,
antiques and collectables categories it serves to restrict choice to the
consumer and doesn't protect buyers from being ripped off, in fact it serves
to encourage scams :(
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> (wink wink http://tinyurl.com/q5hx). There is also a
> great deal of dross,
As your link attests.
Marcus 'Dr' Dee
> This is why high fees and restrictions on reserve price auctions are a
> silly idea in some categories.
Your arguement is counter-intuitive, and contradictory.
You state that in the art and antiques markets, items are worth (more or
less) what people are prepared to pay for them (notwithstanding Munch's
"The Scream" which was probably worth more than the guys with the guns
paid for it last week).
But you argue that a fee structure based on start price and reserve price
is somehow unfair. But you can simply avoid these fees by starting low,
and having no reserve. Because the items, by your own admition "have a
market value commensurate to what people will pay for them", such items
will always reach what they are worth.
What you are really complaining about is the charge eBay makes to defend
itself agaist you using its services to endlessly relist items they have
no hope of selling at their reserve price... which is a different thing
altogether.
> Whilst a fee structure based on start price and reserve works well for
> retail items because it helps ensure buyers get bargains
How does it do that? Starting prices and reserves protect no-one but the
seller.
What ensures buyers get bargains for retail items is their ability to
easily Google the item and discover what it is worth. Art and antiques
are a different matter, their prices susceptible to the caprices of the
market, the fashionability of the artist and the rarity of the item. Only
knowledge of the market and a firm idea of what they are prepared to pay
is going to prevent someone getting ripped off. Certainly, eBay giving
artist the ability to offer for sale, but save themselves from having to
let an item go for a price they do not like will not offer the buyer any
greater protection.
This strikes me as a more verbose than usual whinge at eBay's fees. After
all, they've only given you a global marketplace, a transaction
management system, a way to accept credit card payments, and a
communications infrastructure. So why should they expect any cut of
"your" money?
Amanda Angelika
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:2p6a8lF...@uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>> This is why high fees and restrictions on reserve price auctions are
>> a silly idea in some categories.
>
>
> Your arguement is counter-intuitive, and contradictory.
>
> You state that in the art and antiques markets, items are worth (more
> or less) what people are prepared to pay for them (notwithstanding
> Munch's "The Scream" which was probably worth more than the guys with
> the guns paid for it last week).
>
> But you argue that a fee structure based on start price and reserve
> price is somehow unfair. But you can simply avoid these fees by
> starting low, and having no reserve. Because the items, by your own
> admition "have a market value commensurate to what people will pay
> for them", such items will always reach what they are worth.
No not true at all eBay doesn't represent a "true market" Art is normally
sold through galleries and Antiques have a value set by proper auction
houses such as Christies, Bonhams etc. Actually proper auction houses charge
even higher final value fees than eBay, but don't normally charge listing
fees, in order to manipulate the market.
The listing fees aspect and the heavy restrictions on reseve price auctions
are one major reason why eBay isn't a proper auction venue.
> What you are really complaining about is the charge eBay makes to
> defend itself agaist you using its services to endlessly relist items
> they have no hope of selling at their reserve price... which is a
> different thing altogether.
No If listing fees were fixed or free, and there were no extra fees on
reserve price auctions in the Art, Antiques and collectable catagories,
whilst you would undoutably get some items of that nature, some people will
put unrealistic prices on things. You would also find decent stuff. The
thing is at the moment if you have a valuable antique, you are far better of
taking it to a proper auction house, than wasting your money trying to sell
it on eBay. Similar situation exists with art.
>> Whilst a fee structure based on start price and reserve works well
>> for retail items because it helps ensure buyers get bargains
>
> How does it do that? Starting prices and reserves protect no-one but
> the seller.
With Retail items that's probably true.
> What ensures buyers get bargains for retail items is their ability to
> easily Google the item and discover what it is worth. Art and antiques
> are a different matter, their prices susceptible to the caprices of
> the market, the fashionability of the artist and the rarity of the
> item. Only knowledge of the market and a firm idea of what they are
> prepared to pay is going to prevent someone getting ripped off.
> Certainly, eBay giving artist the ability to offer for sale, but save
> themselves from having to let an item go for a price they do not like
> will not offer the buyer any greater protection.
It encourages lots of cheaper items. Some of those items are genuine
bargains, but a very high proportion of items are fakes, copies, and not
entirely genuine. Some of the art in the Art sections is not even produced
by the genuine artists they purport to be, but are rather manufactured in
the Far East on a production line. Personally I know enough about the art
trade to be able to tell what's genuine and what is not. Most people don't,
so are often just being openly scammed.
This doesn't protect buyers it's open house for rip-off merchants, and
serves only to discourage real artists from using eBay to sell there work.
> This strikes me as a more verbose than usual whinge at eBay's fees.
> After all, they've only given you a global marketplace, a transaction
> management system, a way to accept credit card payments, and a
> communications infrastructure. So why should they expect any cut of
> "your" money?
No I think you'll find those things are a result of the Internet, and
although eBay is undoubtedly a major player as auction sites go certainly
doesn't have a monopoly in opportunities for global trade or payment
systems. Neither does it play any serious role in the antiques, or art
markets, particularly because it no longer operates as a proper auction
site.
However I'm not arguing against fees perse, after all real auction houses
and galleries charge a lot more than eBay on "Final Value". Often as much as
50% if one is talking about art galleries. What I'm arguing against is
Listing fees and the discouragement of reserve price auctions, because these
things simply work to keep real art and high quality antiques off eBay, it
encourages cheaper items and keeps the quality low, and in some cases
encourages scams. I don't think that's particularly good for anyone, other
than perhaps purveyors of fake goods manufactured in Third World sweat
shops.
Amanda Angelika
Well I asked for that I guess but at least I paint them, they are not 3rd
world imports and although they are not major seminal works in the History
of art LOL, they are quite small works and painted on board in order to keep
the costs down and be competitive in the eBay market, some people like them
and why not they are honest well executed abstract paintings look lovely
framed and they have been selling quite well when eBay is active. So I don't
give a Damn what you think of them to be honest, you can't please everyone,
perhaps you ought to show us what you can do instead of being such an arse
LOL. :)