Hello from Gradwell

Gradwell

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Aug 29, 2012, 11:24:38 AM8/29/12

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Good Afternoon All

We are currently undergoing changes in how we manage our online presence. As part of this we're ensuring that this newsgroup is monitored daily, and Gradwell contributes when appropriate.

In situations such as outages, we will ensure that important information is posted on this page and queries are answered. If you have any questions, comments or feedback do let us know.

Many thanks

Helena

Bodincus

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Aug 29, 2012, 11:38:21 AM8/29/12

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| · : · : · : · : · : · : · Original Message · : · : · : · : · : · : ·
| From: Gradwell
| Date: 29/08/12 16:24

Hello Helena,

Welcome to the fray, to you and all your colleagues.
--
ßodincµs - The Y2K Druid

Molly Mockford

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Aug 29, 2012, 11:35:45 AM8/29/12

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At 08:24:38 on Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com>
wrote in <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>:

This is excellent news, Helena, because often an outage means that
e-mail is not delivered, so automatic notifications of entries on
GradwellStatus don't get to us until after it is all over. In such
cases, this group can be a lifeline as far as disseminating information
is concerned.
--
Molly Mockford
Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it. (Milton Diamond Ph.D.)
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

Tony van der Hoff

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Aug 29, 2012, 12:12:30 PM8/29/12

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Had you made this move two years ago, when Molly set up this NG, I might
not have left Gradwell. Still, better late than never!

OTOH, I have to confess to following the Badly Planned thread with a
certain degree of smugness!

Back to lurk mode...

Malcolm Loades

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Aug 29, 2012, 12:22:24 PM8/29/12

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In message <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>,
Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com> writes

>If you have any questions, comments or feedback do let us know.

I'm sure you will have, but just in case you haven't, please read the
thread in this ng "Badly planned infrastructure maitenance". That
provides some good feedback!

Malcolm

Molly Mockford

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Aug 29, 2012, 12:26:58 PM8/29/12

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At 17:12:30 on Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Tony van der Hoff <to...@vanderhoff.org>
wrote in <aa6tbf...@mid.individual.net>:

>Had you made this move two years ago, when Molly set up this NG,

Three, actually. How time flies when you're enjoying yourself!

Tony

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Aug 29, 2012, 2:25:24 PM8/29/12

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In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Molly Mockford

<nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:

>At 08:24:38 on Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com>
>wrote in <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>:

Hmm, hasn't arrived here, wonder if my server decided it was spam. Could
someone post headers from the original as it arrived at their news server
for me?
--
Tony Evans
Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
blog -> http://perceptionistruth.com/
books -> http://www.bookthing.co.uk/
[ anything below this line wasn't written by me ]

Martin Liddle

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Aug 29, 2012, 2:34:47 PM8/29/12

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On 29/08/2012 19:25, Tony wrote:
> In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Molly Mockford
> <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> At 08:24:38 on Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com>
>> wrote in <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>:
>
> Hmm, hasn't arrived here, wonder if my server decided it was spam. Could
> someone post headers from the original as it arrived at their news server
> for me?
>

Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr173233yhm.0.1346253878456; Wed,
29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Path:
s09-12.readnews.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!209.85.216.88.MISMATCH!r1no3176078qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni59655611qab.0!nntp.google.com!r1no3176074qas.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.net.providers.gradwell
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=212.11.93.148;
posting-account=a5uyOgoAAAAwOZf8t029IOLi2F3mq0c8
NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.11.93.148
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Hello from Gradwell
From: Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com>
Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:24:38 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

--
Martin Liddle, Tynemouth Computer Services, Chesterfield, Derbyshire,UK
http://www.tynecomp.co.uk

Tony

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Aug 29, 2012, 2:41:30 PM8/29/12

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In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Martin Liddle <new...@tynecomp.co.uk> wrote:

>Path:
>s09-12.readnews.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!209.85.216.88.MISMATCH!r1no3176078qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni59655611qab.0!nntp.google.com!r1no3176074qas.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail

Thanks, I'll investigate!

Tony

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Aug 29, 2012, 2:43:09 PM8/29/12

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In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Martin Liddle <new...@tynecomp.co.uk> wrote:

>Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
> Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr173233yhm.0.1346253878456; Wed,
> 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)

That's the problem, for some reason, those line breaks in the headers upset
my version of INN.

John Hall

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Aug 29, 2012, 3:32:20 PM8/29/12

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In article <k1lnq5$hb1$3...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>,

Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> writes:
>In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Martin Liddle <new...@tynecomp.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
>> Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr173233yhm.0.1346253878456; Wed,
>> 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>That's the problem, for some reason, those line breaks in the headers upset
>my version of INN.

Those Received headers were added at Martin's end, though, so you
wouldn't have seen them. These are the headers as received here via NIN:

Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!r1no3176082qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni59655611qab.0!nntp.google.com!r1no3176074qas.0!postne

ws.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.net.providers.gradwell
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=212.11.93.148;
posting-account=a5uyOgoAAAAwOZf8t029IOLi2F3mq0c8
NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.11.93.148
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Hello from Gradwell
From: Gradwell <helen...@gradwell.com>
Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:24:38 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Lines: 9
Xref: uni-berlin.de uk.net.providers.gradwell:1576

Perhaps the line break in the Injection-Info: header is the problem. (In
which case you probably won't see any posts injected via Googlegroups.
Some cynics might say that was a good thing. :)
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

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Tony

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Aug 29, 2012, 4:48:57 PM8/29/12

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In uk.net.providers.gradwell, John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <k1lnq5$hb1$3...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>,
> Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> writes:
>>In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Martin Liddle <new...@tynecomp.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
>>> Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr173233yhm.0.1346253878456; Wed,
>>> 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>That's the problem, for some reason, those line breaks in the headers upset
>>my version of INN.
>
>Those Received headers were added at Martin's end, though, so you
>wouldn't have seen them. These are the headers as received here via NIN:

Are you sure? This is the exact error my server gave when another server
tried to inject the article,

<cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com> 439 No colon-space
in " Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)" header

That " Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)" matches

Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)

pretty closely (one extra space in the header)

John Hall

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Aug 29, 2012, 5:18:38 PM8/29/12

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In article <k1lv60$t7l$3...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>,

Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> writes:
>In uk.net.providers.gradwell, John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <k1lnq5$hb1$3...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>,
>> Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> writes:
>>>In uk.net.providers.gradwell, Martin Liddle <new...@tynecomp.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
>>>> Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr173233yhm.0.1346253878456; Wed,
>>>> 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>That's the problem, for some reason, those line breaks in the headers upset
>>>my version of INN.
>>
>>Those Received headers were added at Martin's end, though, so you
>>wouldn't have seen them. These are the headers as received here via NIN:
>
>Are you sure? This is the exact error my server gave when another server
>tried to inject the article,
>
><cf0966ac-6843-4eda...@googlegroups.com> 439 No colon-space
>in " Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)" header
>
>That " Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)" matches
>
>Received: by 10.224.182.74 with SMTP id cb10mr1393573qab.0.1346253878537;
> Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>pretty closely (one extra space in the header)

Well I don't see those Received headers via NIN. Perhaps NIN drops them
for some reason?

Tony

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Aug 29, 2012, 5:47:51 PM8/29/12

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Could well be, or it could be that they got added during the different
route the message took. To you, it went straight from Google to NIN by the
look of it. I can't tell exactly how it *didn't* get to me, because
obviously, it didn't get to me, but it wasn't NIN that tried to inject it.
For Martin, it appears to have gone to readnews via a host called
mail-qa0-f88.google.com.

Pedt

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:05:09 AM8/30/12

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In message <k1m2ke$3r6$1...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>, at 22:47:51 on Wed, 29
Aug 2012, Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> wibbled

For another data point, I've got the exactly same two lines at the top
as Martin with a different path (and different software)

[wrapped for convenience, original was unwrapped]
Path:
news.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.
org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.
glorb.com!r1no3176095qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni59655611qab.0!nntp.g
oogle.com!r1no3176074qas.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegr
oups.com!not-for-mail

The two lines with 'SMTP id' in them suggest a mail2news gateway to me.

--
Pedt

Tony

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:20:15 AM8/30/12

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I've started a discussion on this issue in news.software.nntp in case
anyone's interested. It appears the headers are being added at source
(Google) but dropped by some servers enroute, or mishandled by others.
The server I'm rejecting them from is running Diablo, rather than INN
which may be having an impact.

My post in news.software.nntp
Message-ID: <k1m74g$b8t$1...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>

Tony

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Aug 30, 2012, 7:29:08 AM8/30/12

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On 2012-08-30, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@some.oddities-etc.co.uk> wrote:

> For another data point, I've got the exactly same two lines at the top
> as Martin with a different path (and different software)

And in case you don't want to read the thread in news.software.nntp, I
know why my server rejects them, somewhere along the change, the two
Received: headers are being dropped, but the continuation line is not,
so that the message sent to my server looks like this,

takethis <978eac62-6df9-4e11...@v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>
Thu, 30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
Path: newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!r1no595304qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni2798639qab.0!nntp.google.com!r1no595292qas.0!postnews.google.com!v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.people.consumers.ebay
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)

So looks like buggy filtering somewhere in the message chain.

Pedt

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Aug 30, 2012, 2:43:03 PM8/30/12

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In message <slrnk3ujk...@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk>, at 11:29:08 on
Thu, 30 Aug 2012, Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> wibbled

>On 2012-08-30, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@some.oddities-etc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> For another data point, I've got the exactly same two lines at the top
>> as Martin with a different path (and different software)
>
>And in case you don't want to read the thread in news.software.nntp,

Not got round to it yet but I've have a mooch over there tomorrow.

>I
>know why my server rejects them, somewhere along the change, the two
>Received: headers are being dropped, but the continuation line is not,
>so that the message sent to my server looks like this,
>
>takethis <978eac62-6df9-4e11...@v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>
> Thu, 30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
> 30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
>Path:
>newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.ha
>l-mli.net!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
>me.highwinds-media.com!r1no595304qas.0!news-out.google.com!da15ni2798639
>qab.0!nntp.google.com!r1no595292qas.0!postnews.google.com!v15g2000yqi.go
>oglegroups.com!not-for-mail
>Newsgroups: uk.people.consumers.ebay
>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 03:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>So looks like buggy filtering somewhere in the message chain.
>

Highwinds would probably be a good guess :)
--
Pedt