Todal

[Ophelia]

Ok now would you tell me why this last post was in moderation please? What
word did I use?

"I didn't know that, I thought it only applied to credit cards and when we
buy online, we have always been careful to use our credit card.
Very useful info, thanks"

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[D.M. Procida]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

> Ok now would you tell me why this last post was in moderation please?
> What word did I use?
>
> "I didn't know that, I thought it only applied to credit cards and when
> we buy online, we have always been careful to use our credit card. Very
> useful info, thanks"

It's because you're not whitelisted, not because you're using any
particular word.

Daniele

[D.M. Procida]

D.M. Procida <real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

> Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>
> > Ok now would you tell me why this last post was in moderation please?
> > What word did I use?
> >
> > "I didn't know that, I thought it only applied to credit cards and when
> > we buy online, we have always been careful to use our credit card. Very
> > useful info, thanks"
>
> It's because you're not whitelisted

... which is because you've changed your email address.

Daniele

[Ophelia]

"D.M. Procida" <real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:1ktgbiz.1gdynua894gzfN%real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk...

That is not what Todal said.

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[Ophelia]

"D.M. Procida" <real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote in
message

news:1ktgby4.gzzjw1b52jmoN%real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk...

Ahhh ok:) I changed the uk to ku to stop spam, but it is still me ..
honest:)

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[Judith]

Ophelia:
You appear to have been white-listed until 9 days ago: you must have been
naughty in that last post :-)

[Ophelia]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:na52a8pbbm0nvhu8n...@4ax.com...

Shhhhhhhhhh don't tell ... ;)

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[Ophelia]

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote in message
news:k7r4sj$o2u$1...@dont-email.me...

Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same person who
was whitelisted ...

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[The Todal]

Yes, you are whitelisted under the email address you used to have, but
then you changed it and got yourself off the whitelist.

To whitelist you under your current email address we have to press a
button before moderating your post. Now done.

[Ophelia]

"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
news:agcm81...@mid.individual.net...

Thank you kind sir:) May I commend you on your button pressing skills?

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[Rob Morley]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:16:28 -0000
"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

> Ahhh ok:) I changed the uk to ku to stop spam, but it is still me ..
> honest:)
>

You're supposed to use ".invalid" as the TLD so DNS servers know not to
try to find your false domain.

[Ophelia]

"Rob Morley" <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:20121112164133.6a0641ea@hyperion...

I don't mind people mailing me so I tried to make it easy for anyone to see
how to change it, other than that I don't really understand what you are
describing. I don't know what a TLD is although I do know DNS. Btw is it
my responsibility to help these servers? Or am I talking rubbish?

O, not the most techie bod in the world:)
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[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same
> person who was whitelisted ...

I don't know why you are so obssessed about whether you are on the
white-list or not. As previously explained, it is not a measure of
personal merit, and posts being manually moderated is no reflection
whatsoever on any individual.

[Percy Picacity]

It does make trivial repartee easier. Though whether that is good thing ...

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[Ophelia]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnka2btq.2...@snowy.squish.net...

I simply responded to something Judith wrote, saying:

"Possibly. I am not aware of attacking anyone, but my posts seem to be
always on 'moderate' these days."

I am not sure how you see that as an obsession.



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[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnka2btq.2...@snowy.squish.net...
>> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>> Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same
>>> person who was whitelisted ...
>>
>> I don't know why you are so obssessed about whether you are on the
>> white-list or not. As previously explained, it is not a measure of
>> personal merit, and posts being manually moderated is no reflection
>> whatsoever on any individual.
>
> I simply responded to something Judith wrote, saying:
>
> "Possibly. I am not aware of attacking anyone, but my posts seem to be
> always on 'moderate' these days."
>
> I am not sure how you see that as an obsession.

Because you have brought up the subject repeatedly, seem to be overly
concerned as to whether or not you are on the white-list, and even
when the situation is explained you still keep prodding as quoted
above.

If you actually get a post rejected, then it may well be worthwhile
reading the reject reason, and if you don't understand or agree with
it, asking about it here. Apart from that, don't worry about it, the
system generally just works.

[Ophelia]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

news:slrnka2e43.3...@snowy.squish.net...

> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:slrnka2btq.2...@snowy.squish.net...
>>> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>>> Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same
>>>> person who was whitelisted ...
>>>
>>> I don't know why you are so obssessed about whether you are on the
>>> white-list or not. As previously explained, it is not a measure of
>>> personal merit, and posts being manually moderated is no reflection
>>> whatsoever on any individual.
>>
>> I simply responded to something Judith wrote, saying:
>>
>> "Possibly. I am not aware of attacking anyone, but my posts seem to be
>> always on 'moderate' these days."
>>
>> I am not sure how you see that as an obsession.
>
> Because you have brought up the subject repeatedly, seem to be overly
> concerned as to whether or not you are on the white-list, and even
> when the situation is explained you still keep prodding as quoted
> above.

So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?

> If you actually get a post rejected, then it may well be worthwhile
> reading the reject reason, and if you don't understand or agree with
> it, asking about it here. Apart from that, don't worry about it, the
> system generally just works.

When I was new I asked about it, but not once I got used to it, unless you
know better?


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[Judith]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:25:53 +0000, Percy Picacity <k...@under.the.invalid>
wrote:

I had always thought that repartee meant a witty or clever response and not
pure shite.

But it certainly means that some people can post the pure shite and clog up a
thread; meaning that other people have to read it all to find a sensible
answer.

[Judith]

Perhaps he is obsessed with seeing obsessions in others

[Judith]

Now that's told her!!!

Well done - who the fuck did she think she was - asking such "stupid"
questions???

[Ophelia]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:tsg2a81g4cks4gbp9...@4ax.com...

Or perhaps he simply doesn't like me. Who knows? *shrug* He wouldn't be the
first ...

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[Ophelia]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:30h2a89n1f84qth0o...@4ax.com...

As I said ...

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[Clive George]

On 12/11/2012 18:01, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnka2e43.3...@snowy.squish.net...
>> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnka2btq.2...@snowy.squish.net...
>>>> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>>>> Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same
>>>>> person who was whitelisted ...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why you are so obssessed about whether you are on the
>>>> white-list or not. As previously explained, it is not a measure of
>>>> personal merit, and posts being manually moderated is no reflection
>>>> whatsoever on any individual.
>>>
>>> I simply responded to something Judith wrote, saying:
>>>
>>> "Possibly. I am not aware of attacking anyone, but my posts seem to be
>>> always on 'moderate' these days."
>>>
>>> I am not sure how you see that as an obsession.
>>
>> Because you have brought up the subject repeatedly, seem to be overly
>> concerned as to whether or not you are on the white-list, and even
>> when the situation is explained you still keep prodding as quoted
>> above.
>
> So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?

FWIW I have a vague impression that you ask about this sort of thing
more than others. Eg asking what trigger words there are, etc.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:slrnka2e43.3...@snowy.squish.net...

>> Because you have brought up the subject repeatedly, seem to be overly
>> concerned as to whether or not you are on the white-list, and even
>> when the situation is explained you still keep prodding as quoted
>> above.
>
> So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?

Last Saturday. Before that, June I think.

>> If you actually get a post rejected, then it may well be worthwhile
>> reading the reject reason, and if you don't understand or agree with
>> it, asking about it here. Apart from that, don't worry about it, the
>> system generally just works.
>
> When I was new I asked about it, but not once I got used to it,
> unless you know better?

Er, this thread right here?

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> "Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tsg2a81g4cks4gbp9...@4ax.com...

>> Perhaps he is obsessed with seeing obsessions in others
>
> Or perhaps he simply doesn't like me. Who knows? *shrug* He
> wouldn't be the first ...

Or maybe, I neither like nor dislike you and simply meant what I said.

[Ophelia]

"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rtWdnT5dzpzG1DzN...@brightview.co.uk...

Well bully for you!!! *applause* Hurrah!!!! Three cheers for Clive! A
vague impression eh? What a good memory you have!

When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I am
dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to know.
Anyone else 'have vague memories' of my misdemeanours?





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[Ophelia]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

news:slrnka2isp.3...@snowy.squish.net...

> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:slrnka2e43.3...@snowy.squish.net...
>>> Because you have brought up the subject repeatedly, seem to be overly
>>> concerned as to whether or not you are on the white-list, and even
>>> when the situation is explained you still keep prodding as quoted
>>> above.
>>
>> So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?
>
> Last Saturday. Before that, June I think.

Last Saturday? lol

>
>>> If you actually get a post rejected, then it may well be worthwhile
>>> reading the reject reason, and if you don't understand or agree with
>>> it, asking about it here. Apart from that, don't worry about it, the
>>> system generally just works.
>>
>> When I was new I asked about it, but not once I got used to it,
>> unless you know better?
>
> Er, this thread right here?

So. let us get this straight, just so everyone knows.

Do Not Ask ze Questions Or You Vill be attacked!! Sound about right??

So, is this the attitude of all the moderators?
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[Ophelia]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

news:slrnka2j34.3...@snowy.squish.net...

Can't say I care much:)

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[Clive George]

I'm only trying to help explain stuff. No need to get offended about it.

> When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
> worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I
> am dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to know.

Same here, but I managed to do it by reading around.

[Ophelia]

"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:07qdnZCcea4zxzzN...@brightview.co.uk...

I didn't know there was users guide. Do point it out to us!


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[Clive George]

I didn't know there was a users guide either. I'm fairly sure there
isn't. However the stuff we're talking about isn't very hard - trigger
words and white/black lists are fairly simple concepts.

I don't care what's in the trigger word list - it doesn't stop me using
the group. I can make a guess at some of them, but it's really not that
important.

It's also fairly obvious to me that a nymshift will result in falling
off a whitelist.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnka2isp.3...@snowy.squish.net...
>> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>> So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?
>>
>> Last Saturday. Before that, June I think.
>
> Last Saturday? lol

"lol"?

> So. let us get this straight, just so everyone knows.
>
> Do Not Ask ze Questions Or You Vill be attacked!! Sound about right??

No, not even slightly. You have not been attacked. I'm just suggesting
you chill out a bit about the white-list - it's not important.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't care what's in the trigger word list - it doesn't stop me using
> the group. I can make a guess at some of them, but it's really not that
> important.
>
> It's also fairly obvious to me that a nymshift will result in falling
> off a whitelist.

To be fair, I would think that most non-technical users have no idea
how a white-list would identify them.

[Periander]

On 12-Nov-2012, Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:

> ... and simply meant what I said.

Ah the clasic way of confusing a lady ;-)

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[Ophelia]

"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:pYWdndRQi9YIwzzN...@brightview.co.uk...

>>>> When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
>>>> worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I
>>>> am dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> Same here, but I managed to do it by reading around.
>>
>> I didn't know there was users guide. Do point it out to us!
>
> I didn't know there was a users guide either. I'm fairly sure there isn't.
> However the stuff we're talking about isn't very hard - trigger words and
> white/black lists are fairly simple concepts.

You said you had learned 'by reading around'. But you didn't, did you?

No, there is no users guide and only fairly recently I had a good search and
found out for myself. At that point I was accused by Ribbens of 'hacking'
and I believe that is what all this is about.

I knew nothing of trigger words or white/black lists. I simply wanted to
understand why my posts took so long to appear. A long time ago I posted a
long and considered post in response to a poster on a subject about which I
am very familiar. I waited a whole day for it to appear and in the end I
was so frustrated I posted it in UL. I have been reading in ULM for longer
than you know although I posted rarely.

> I don't care what's in the trigger word list - it doesn't stop me using
> the group. I can make a guess at some of them, but it's really not that
> important. It's also fairly obvious to me that a nymshift will result in
> falling off a whitelist.

Since I have never 'nymshifted' by which I suppose you mean changing
nicknames, that would have no interest for me.

Will he ban me now, or take me off whitelist? We shall see. Fortunately
the group has some very good and very fair moderators. I guess i am in their
hands. I will commend Todal who has always been very fair and helpful. I
never get any spite from him.

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[Clive George]

On 12/11/2012 21:16, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:pYWdndRQi9YIwzzN...@brightview.co.uk...
>
>>>>> When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
>>>>> worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I
>>>>> am dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to
>>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Same here, but I managed to do it by reading around.
>>>
>>> I didn't know there was users guide. Do point it out to us!
>>
>> I didn't know there was a users guide either. I'm fairly sure there
>> isn't. However the stuff we're talking about isn't very hard - trigger
>> words and white/black lists are fairly simple concepts.
>
> You said you had learned 'by reading around'. But you didn't, did you?

I don't lie. I did learn by reading around. I followed NGs, I picked up
information from other places - just the normal means of learning
normally labelled as "experience".

> No, there is no users guide and only fairly recently I had a good search
> and found out for myself. At that point I was accused by Ribbens of
> 'hacking' and I believe that is what all this is about.

I don't think so. I've read that thread, and you're doing the same here
as you did there - instantly assuming people are out to get you. Jon's
comment wasn't accusing you of hacking into the system to cause damage,
it was merely pointing out that if you do things via undocumented means,
don't be surprised that what you see may not be obvious (in that case,
apparently a minor problem in the moderation software).

> I knew nothing of trigger words or white/black lists.I simply wanted

> to understand why my posts took so long to appear. A long time ago I
> posted a long and considered post in response to a poster on a subject
> about which I am very familiar. I waited a whole day for it to appear
> and in the end I was so frustrated I posted it in UL. I have been
> reading in ULM for longer than you know although I posted rarely.

But that was months ago, if not longer, yet we're still having the
conversation now.

>> I don't care what's in the trigger word list - it doesn't stop me
>> using the group. I can make a guess at some of them, but it's really
>> not that important. It's also fairly obvious to me that a nymshift
>> will result in falling off a whitelist.
>
> Since I have never 'nymshifted' by which I suppose you mean changing
> nicknames, that would have no interest for me.

It includes the email address, which you said you'd changed and prompted
this thread.

> Will he ban me now, or take me off whitelist? We shall see.

Jon has been pretty straightforward in his replies. He's not been
evasive and he doesn't seem to have taken offence at what you wrote. I
see absolutely nothing in what he's written to suggest banning or
removal from the whitelist. Why the need to suggest that he might be
doing so?

> Fortunately the group has some very good and very fair moderators. I
> guess i am in their hands. I will commend Todal who has always been
> very fair and helpful. I never get any spite from him.

You've not had any from Jon either (in this NG for the past few months -
that was as far as I was bothered to read). How about commending him
too? Or at least apologising for implying that he'd ban or whitelist you
for petty personal reasons.

[Ophelia]

"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:HNCdnXnWYN-A7DzN...@brightview.co.uk...

[Judith]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:09:14 +0000, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

<snip>

>> So, tell me the last time I asked about it or indeed 'prodded'?
>
>FWIW I have a vague impression that you ask about this sort of thing
>more than others. Eg asking what trigger words there are, etc.
>
>

As you say "FWIW" - how about fuck all?


"Vague"? - well it is your middle name so no surprise there then.

How's the campaign for becoming an URCM moderator coming along?

[Judith]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:23:10 +0000, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

<snip>

>> When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
>> worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I
>> am dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to know.
>
>Same here, but I managed to do it by reading around.
>

Yes - but then you have always been a smart arse haven't you.

I always remember my very first post to URC.

What was the first response?

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Mostly my view is you're extremely badly informed.

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Who was the smart arse? That's right : Clive George.

[Judith]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:16:14 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

<snip>

>Will he ban me now, or take me off whitelist? We shall see. Fortunately
>the group has some very good and very fair moderators. I guess i am in their
>hands. I will commend Todal who has always been very fair and helpful. I
>never get any spite from him.

Ophelia:

You should realise that there are some real smart arses around who think that
they are the dog's bits when it comes to IT, the web, usenet etc etc.

You have managed to touch the buttons of two or three of them by you only
having an average understanding of these things.

Fortunately they are not all like that (You mention The Todal, I believe he is
another non-techie).

They forget that normal people use these groups as well.

I would ignore such snide comments as have been made.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

> Will he ban me now, or take me off whitelist? We shall see. Fortunately
> the group has some very good and very fair moderators. I guess i am in their
> hands. I will commend Todal who has always been very fair and helpful. I
> never get any spite from him.

Is there some reason that I get spite from you, though, despite never
giving any to you?

[Sara]

In article <k7rl00$8ll$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:


>
> When I first began posting in ULM I was interested to know how things
> worked; I usually am whenever something is new. I like to know what I am
> dealing with. I suspect anyone with half a brain would want to know.
> Anyone else 'have vague memories' of my misdemeanours?

I wouldn't call them misdemeanours, but yes, I've also noticed that you
seem more concerned than most about being on the whitelist. I don't have
a list of times and dates, it's just something that I too have vague
memories of.

It's not a bad thing, from what I've read here no one seems to be saying
it's a bad thing, just that you don't need to worry about it.

--
Billy doesn't clean his paws often enough. Mucky cat.

[Scion]

Ophelia spake thus:

> "Rob Morley" <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:20121112164133.6a0641ea@hyperion...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:16:28 -0000 "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhh ok:) I changed the uk to ku to stop spam, but it is still me ..
>>> honest:)
>>>
>> You're supposed to use ".invalid" as the TLD so DNS servers know not to
>> try to find your false domain.
>
> I don't mind people mailing me so I tried to make it easy for anyone to
> see how to change it, other than that I don't really understand what you
> are describing. I don't know what a TLD is although I do know DNS.
> Btw is it my responsibility to help these servers? Or am I talking
> rubbish?
>
> O, not the most techie bod in the world:)
> --

TLD is Top Level Domain, the bit after the last "." in your email addy. So
TLD for hotmail.co.uk is uk, TLD for gmail.com is com.

I suggest using your normal email address (perhaps with "@" replaced by
"at") with .invalid after it, that should make it easier for people to
work out how to reach you. Of course, you'll then be off the whitelist
again :-)

e.g. oph...@gmail.co.uk becomes ophelia_at_gmail.co.uk.invalid

[Scion]

[Scion]

[Scion]

Scion spake thus:

I'll stop after three duplicate posts :-)

[Ophelia]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

> Is there some reason that I get spite from you, though, despite never
> giving any to you?

Perhaps your inflammatory remarks make people cross with you?

I am still bemused by your complaint: "you still keep prodding" when you
admit the last time anything like this was mentioned by me was in June. I
wonder what happened to July, August, Sept etc ? Perhaps I was *thinking*
of prodding? I can't understand why you would be surprised that
contributors to the group like to know how things work. Is it a state
secret? I expect that like me, most posters want to ensure they do not do
anything that could cause problems. Is that not a *good thing*? Perhaps
you like people to cause problems so you can have something to complain
about???

To bring Todal back into this, he never treats people in a nasty way and
after my remark to Judith, (please note, I never asked anyone to do
anything - it was simply a comment) immediately said he would find out for
me. To me, that is what being a good moderator is about (i.e. one whose
interest is to keep the group running smoothly). I am sure you will correct
me if that is wrong.

I keep being accused of being obsessed with white lists. When I first asked
about things I didn't know such a thing existed. I keep repeating (ad
nauseam) that I was interested to know how things worked and why it had
taken a Whole Day to post comments I had written to another poster in answer
to his query. Judith was saying something about her posts being delayed (so
far as I remember, I don't care enough to look it up) and I commented that I
hadn't attacked anyone but my posts were being moderated. JUST THAT!!!! I
didn't complain, I didn't demand to know why I wasn't 'white listed'
NOTHING!!! It was a simple statement of fact "I haven't attacked anyone but
my posts are moderated" How strange that it should create such a furore.
Then we get people having 'vague recollections' of me having done *it*
sometime in the past!!!!! OH yes, then we have someone actually looking it
up to be sure .... YES she did it in June!!! Dear god! How silly can this
get????

I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP? I was
hammered from pillar to post about the bloody Daily Mail. I suspect I don't
need to go into all that again.

Perhaps I don't speakee the same English as everyone else? As in the LCP
thing I am being accused of all sorts of things and once again, I am simply
bemused (although I must admit, slightly amused) by it all.

Just to reiterate, I will always be interested in how things work and will
probably ask if I think I may have caused offence, if the situation arises.
Thank goodness for Todal who will take the remarks in the spirit in which
they are made, not assigning any ulterior motive to them and will do his
best to sort things out to the satisfaction of all.

Please don't let this degenerate into another URCM. This is a really good
group, we have some great moderators and that would be a great shame.

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[Clive George]

On 13/11/2012 12:27, Ophelia wrote:

> Just to reiterate, I will always be interested in how things work and
> will probably ask if I think I may have caused offence, if the situation
> arises. Thank goodness for Todal who will take the remarks in the spirit
> in which they are made, not assigning any ulterior motive to them and
> will do his best to sort things out to the satisfaction of all.

Jon doesn't seem to assign any ulterior motive to your remarks either,
and seems to be doing just what the Todal does, only you've not worked
this out yet.

> Please don't let this degenerate into another URCM. This is a really
> good group, we have some great moderators and that would be a great shame.

One way to encourage the ULM mods is to not single one of them out for
special praise, and to not unfairly accuse other of them of being spiteful.

[Ophelia]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:rnt2a8hgk4cl283ue...@4ax.com...

Thanks, Judith. That does help!

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[Ophelia]

"Scion" <a...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:k7t1ss$8nf$1...@dont-email.me...

> TLD is Top Level Domain, the bit after the last "." in your email addy. So
> TLD for hotmail.co.uk is uk, TLD for gmail.com is com.

OK got it.

> I suggest using your normal email address (perhaps with "@" replaced by
> "at") with .invalid after it, that should make it easier for people to
> work out how to reach you. Of course, you'll then be off the whitelist
> again :-)

Oh lor! Not sure I can go through all this again but thank you!

> e.g. oph...@gmail.co.uk becomes ophelia_at_gmail.co.uk.invalid

<saved> with thanks. Once things have settled I just might take my courage
in my hands and go for it :)))

Your help and advice really is very much appreciated and I thank you again!

[Ophelia]

"Scion" <a...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:k7t2a2$fip$1...@dont-email.me...

lol don't worry, I got it and it has been saved:))

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[John Benn]

"Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message

news:slrnka2btq.2...@snowy.squish.net...

> On 2012-11-12, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

>> Incidentally, Todal, Daniele et al .. now you know I am the same
>> person who was whitelisted ...
>
> I don't know why you are so obssessed about whether you are on the
> white-list or not. As previously explained, it is not a measure of
> personal merit, and posts being manually moderated is no reflection
> whatsoever on any individual.

Neither is being a moderator as you have just demonstrated.

Ophelia isn't being obsessive except in your mind.

[Sara]

In article <k7tec5$g4o$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

>
> I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP? I was
> hammered from pillar to post about the bloody Daily Mail. I suspect I don't
> need to go into all that again.

I think you're over-reacting here. I was reading and taking part in the
thread you're referring to. The DM certainly got lambasted but I dont
think you did. The hammering of the Daily Mail was not aimed at you, it
was a sub-thread about what people thought of the Daily Mail not what
people thought of Ophelia.

What I read was a bunch of people having a discussion with different
points of view which made it for me one of the more interesting threads.

Also, dont forget when you start a thread you can't control how people
will respond, you won't necessarily get all the posts answering you or
even after a while referring to your OP if the thread has drifted
because something someone has said has sparked off another train of
thought.

FWIW I don't give a FF if I'm whitelisted or not, it doesn't affect my
view of myself, my view of how other people see me, or change the way I
post.

Please don't take this as an attack. I've no axe to grind here: I'm not
a ULM mod and I've certainly got nothing against you, but in this case I
think you're mis-reading the situation and reacting to something that
isn't happening.

--
Sara

cats cats cats cats cats

[Periander]

On 13-Nov-2012, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> One way to encourage the ULM mods is to not single one of them out for
> special praise, and to not unfairly accuse other of them of being
> spiteful.

Oh I don't know, there's a been one or two in the past who were very
deserving of personal criticism, at least at times.

One is long gone and another has entirely changed his posting style and is
now clearly even handed in the way he moderates. The former of course was
His Grace the Lord Great Moderator in Chief, Defender of the Faith, Admiral
of the Sunk Ports, the Marshall of Rice; the latter remains a regular
contributor and in the light of what I say above I won't name him.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-13, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
>> Is there some reason that I get spite from you, though, despite never
>> giving any to you?
>
> Perhaps your inflammatory remarks make people cross with you?

"People"?

> I am still bemused by your complaint: "you still keep prodding" when you
> admit the last time anything like this was mentioned by me was in June.

Er, and last Saturday. And repeatedly in this thread.

> I wonder what happened to July, August, Sept etc ? Perhaps I was
> *thinking* of prodding?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

> I can't understand why you would be surprised that contributors to
> the group like to know how things work.

I'm not.

> Perhaps you like people to cause problems so you can have something
> to complain about???

Perhaps you are just making stuff up?

> I keep being accused of being obsessed with white lists.

Do you? I've only said that once so far as I remember. Do you think
that lots of people are accusing you of things?

> I keep repeating (ad nauseam) that I was interested to know how
> things worked and why it had taken a Whole Day to post comments I
> had written to another poster in answer to his query. Judith was
> saying something about her posts being delayed (so far as I
> remember, I don't care enough to look it up) and I commented that I
> hadn't attacked anyone but my posts were being moderated. JUST
> THAT!!!! I didn't complain, I didn't demand to know why I wasn't
> 'white listed' NOTHING!!! It was a simple statement of fact "I
> haven't attacked anyone but my posts are moderated" How strange that
> it should create such a furore.

The furore is coming from you, nobody else.

> Then we get people having 'vague recollections' of me having done *it*
> sometime in the past!!!!! OH yes, then we have someone actually looking it
> up to be sure .... YES she did it in June!!! Dear god! How silly can this
> get????

It sounds like you think that took some time or effort. It didn't.

> I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP?

No, I don't, sorry.

> Just to reiterate, I will always be interested in how things work and will
> probably ask if I think I may have caused offence, if the situation arises.

And I will perhaps continue to point out that it is quite unlikely
that you have caused secret offence to the moderators and they are
unlikely to be plotting against you or nurturing hidden grievances.
You don't need to start worrying any time a post of yours doesn't
appear quite as quick as you expected that you have transgressed
some unwritten rule and been declared persona non grata.

> Please don't let this degenerate into another URCM. This is a really good
> group, we have some great moderators and that would be a great shame.

Bear in mind that "this" is uk.net.news.moderation. This conversation
would not be happening in the moderated group.

[Steve Firth]

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
[snip]

> Since I have never 'nymshifted' by which I suppose you mean changing
> nicknames, that would have no interest for me.

Ermm <cough> you nym shifted when you changed uk to ku.

Are you channeling Judith BTW? You've been unusually tetchy in this thread.
Please don't throw that rolling pin at me.

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[The Todal]

I deeply resent being singled out for praise. I cherish my reputation as
a rude bastard.

But I wonder where Marshall Rice is, and whether he might now be dead.
Should I file a Missing Persons report? I know he was a real person, I
even met him once - we sat in court together, about 10 years ago, to
listen to Akena Adoko putting forward some legal submissions, if I
remember rightly.

[Ophelia]

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1322688744374508223.572373%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...

> "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> Since I have never 'nymshifted' by which I suppose you mean changing
>> nicknames, that would have no interest for me.
>
> Ermm <cough> you nym shifted when you changed uk to ku.

That wasn't my nickname! That was my email address??

> Are you channeling Judith BTW? You've been unusually tetchy in this
> thread.

I am fed up with being got at!

> Please don't throw that rolling pin at me.

Growl
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[Judith]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:39:22 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:

>On 13/11/12 13:49, Periander wrote:
>> On 13-Nov-2012, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> One way to encourage the ULM mods is to not single one of them out for
>>> special praise, and to not unfairly accuse other of them of being
>>> spiteful.
>>
>> Oh I don't know, there's a been one or two in the past who were very
>> deserving of personal criticism, at least at times.
>>
>> One is long gone and another has entirely changed his posting style and is
>> now clearly even handed in the way he moderates. The former of course was
>> His Grace the Lord Great Moderator in Chief, Defender of the Faith, Admiral
>> of the Sunk Ports, the Marshall of Rice; the latter remains a regular
>> contributor and in the light of what I say above I won't name him.
>>
>
>I deeply resent being singled out for praise. I cherish my reputation as
>a rude bastard.
>
>But I wonder where Marshall Rice is, and whether he might now be dead.

He is alive and well and posting in ULM on a regular basis.

[The Todal]

Interesting theory. We also get Elvis Presley posting from time to
time, usually about some damaged shoes that he tried unsuccessfully to
return to the shop.

[kat]

Ophelia wrote:
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1322688744374508223.572373%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Since I have never 'nymshifted' by which I suppose you mean changing
>>> nicknames, that would have no interest for me.
>>
>> Ermm <cough> you nym shifted when you changed uk to ku.
>
> That wasn't my nickname! That was my email address??
>

I tend to agree with you. While I know what they mean ( computers and the
technically minded human versions of them just see one letter change in the
whole From line and it has to be a new person/poster/sock call it what you
will ) I actually rooted about a bit last night and one page telling me how
to set up Forte Agent said the nym is " the name you want to be known by"
and that line was not the line for an email address, that came later.

When you see people being accused of nym shifting, usually in here because
they are said to be trying to evade the urcm black list, it suggests that it
is a Bad Thing, yet people genuinely change email addresses for all sorts of
reasons. I have lost count of the ones I have used in the management groups
over the years, must be at least five I think, but I remain "kat" and
dislike the idea that as did get suggested that means I have 5 socks.

Me, I know how moderation works, I know about white lists and black lists, I
know that if I am on any whitelists and change my email address I would have
to start again, at least until one of the mods realised and pressed that
button. I don't actually know if I am on any, so ...shrug.... But if you
don't know it seems reasonable to ask!


--
kat
>^..^<

[Ophelia]

"kat" <little...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:agf7p0...@mid.individual.net...

Thanks, kat. I didn't know about a lot of that but the latter I've learned
pretty damned quick!

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[kat]

Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2012-11-13, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>> "Jon Ribbens" <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> Is there some reason that I get spite from you, though, despite
>>> never giving any to you?
>>
>> Perhaps your inflammatory remarks make people cross with you?
>
> "People"?
>
>> I am still bemused by your complaint: "you still keep prodding"
>> when you admit the last time anything like this was mentioned by me
>> was in June.
>
> Er, and last Saturday. And repeatedly in this thread.
>

Last Saturday looks like a comment rather than a prod.

This thread is because the Todal told Ophelia to ask what trigger word she
had used and she did - because he said she was whitelisted - then Daniele
replies she isn't, then said why. Ok, so she prodded a bit after that,
but given her first experience, with the long delay, maybe it felt more
important to her than you think it should.

So you call her obsessed and it goes from bad to worse. But as Todal had
put her back on by then ( Oh a total of 2 hours from first post! ) I don't
see why you think the obsession continues - unless you are feeding it.


--
kat
>^..^<

[Periander]

On 13-Nov-2012, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:

> On 13/11/12 13:49, Periander wrote:
> > On 13-Nov-2012, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> One way to encourage the ULM mods is to not single one of them out for
> >> special praise, and to not unfairly accuse other of them of being
> >> spiteful.
> >
> > Oh I don't know, there's a been one or two in the past who were very
> > deserving of personal criticism, at least at times.
> >
> > One is long gone and another has entirely changed his posting style and
> > is
> > now clearly even handed in the way he moderates. The former of course
> > was
> > His Grace the Lord Great Moderator in Chief, Defender of the Faith,
> > Admiral
> > of the Sunk Ports, the Marshall of Rice; the latter remains a regular
> > contributor and in the light of what I say above I won't name him.
> >
>
> I deeply resent being singled out for praise. I cherish my reputation as
> a rude bastard.

Actually old bean ... I didn't have you in mind at all, I was consdiering
one of our lycra weaing friends.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-13, kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2012-11-13, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>>> I am still bemused by your complaint: "you still keep prodding"
>>> when you admit the last time anything like this was mentioned by me
>>> was in June.
>>
>> Er, and last Saturday. And repeatedly in this thread.
>
> Last Saturday looks like a comment rather than a prod.

I don't think I said otherwise.

> But as Todal had put her back on by then ( Oh a total of 2 hours
> from first post! ) I don't see why you think the obsession continues
> - unless you are feeding it.

I don't think I said that either.

[Judith]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:44 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:

<snip>

>Interesting theory. We also get Elvis Presley posting from time to
>time, usually about some damaged shoes that he tried unsuccessfully to
>return to the shop.

Sounds like a challenge to me.

[kat]

That you were feeding it? of course you didn't.

You said in the post to which I replied that Ophelia had "repeatedly"
prodded in this thread. By the time you questioned her obsession she no
longer needed to prod, so why not just drop it? Why inflame it?


--
kat
>^..^<

[kat]

He'd never get away with it, blue suede is so easy to scuff.


--
kat
>^..^<

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-13, kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:

>> On 2012-11-13, kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> But as Todal had put her back on by then ( Oh a total of 2 hours
>>> from first post! ) I don't see why you think the obsession continues
>>> - unless you are feeding it.
>>
>> I don't think I said that either.
>
> That you were feeding it?

No, that I "think the obsession continues".

> You said in the post to which I replied that Ophelia had "repeatedly"
> prodded in this thread. By the time you questioned her obsession she no
> longer needed to prod, so why not just drop it? Why inflame it?

She didn't need to prod in the first place. How am I supposed to know
when or if she's going to stop? It was not my intention to inflame
anything.

[kat]

The Todal posted that he had whitelisted her at 16.25, you asked why she was
so obsessed nearly an hour later. Why bother?


--
kat
>^..^<

[Steve Walker]

"Sara" <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:saramerriman-5BB5...@news.eternal-september.org...

> In article <k7tec5$g4o$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:
>
>>
>> I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP? I was
>> hammered from pillar to post about the bloody Daily Mail. I suspect I
>> don't
>> need to go into all that again.
>
> I think you're over-reacting here.

Me too. No need for all this vexation.

[Ophelia]

"Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote in message
news:k7uc5l$bf6$1...@dont-email.me...

I agree, and all because I asked a simple question ...

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[Periander]

On 13-Nov-2012, "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote:

> >> I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP? I
> >> was
> >> hammered from pillar to post about the bloody Daily Mail. I suspect I
> >> don't need to go into all that again.
> >
> > I think you're over-reacting here.
>
> Me too. No need for all this vexation.

Reading this thread I'm moved to ask why aren't I on the effing whitelist!

hehehehehe -----> periander runs for cover

[Ophelia]

"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote in message
news:agfube...@mid.individual.net...

I expect it is because you are soooooo bad!
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[Ophelia]

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote in message
news:k7ug99$7jo$1...@dont-email.me...

> I expect it is because you are soooooo bad! I ought to have added... like
> me!

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[Percy Picacity]

Because you asked not to be put on it?

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[Periander]

On 13-Nov-2012, Percy Picacity <k...@under.the.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> I notice in this group I am often jumped on ... remember the LCP? I
> >>>> was
> >>>> hammered from pillar to post about the bloody Daily Mail. I suspect
> >>>> I
> >>>> don't need to go into all that again.
> >>>
> >>> I think you're over-reacting here.
> >>
> >> Me too. No need for all this vexation.
> >
> > Reading this thread I'm moved to ask why aren't I on the effing
> > whitelist!
> >
> > hehehehehe -----> periander runs for cover
>
> Because you asked not to be put on it?

Well that killed that little joke stone dead. I'll go and write my lines now
if that's OK?

"I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
"I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
"I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
"I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
"I must not attempt to lighten the mood ...

[Ophelia]

"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote in message

news:agfvv6...@mid.individual.net...

<mutter>
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[Judith]

Marshall Rice is on it :-)

[Tony]

In uk.net.news.moderation, Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk>
wrote:

Most of what you say comes across as condescending and 'short', I just
ignore it, because it appears to be your style, for want of a better
phrase, but you shouldn't be surprised when people feel like you're
attacking them.
--
Tony Evans
Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
blog -> http://perceptionistruth.com/
books -> http://www.bookthing.co.uk/
[ anything below this line wasn't written by me ]

[Steve Firth]

"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
[snip]

> "I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
> "I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
> "I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
> "I must not attempt to lighten the mood on Usenet"
> "I must not attempt to lighten the mood ...

Usenet is very serious. There's a constant danger that someone may be
wrong.

--
<•DarWin><|
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[Jon Ribbens]

I refer the honourable lady to the answer I gave some moments ago.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-13, Tony <to...@darkstorm.invalid> wrote:
> In uk.net.news.moderation, Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>I don't think I said that either.
>
> Most of what you say comes across as condescending and 'short', I just
> ignore it, because it appears to be your style, for want of a better
> phrase, but you shouldn't be surprised when people feel like you're
> attacking them.

I try to be concise. If people feel that I am attacking them when
in fact I have done nothing of the sort, then I feel that that is
perhaps their own problem. Most people seem to cope.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-13, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku> wrote:

> "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote in message
> news:k7uc5l$bf6$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Sara" <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:saramerriman-5BB5...@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> I think you're over-reacting here.
>>
>> Me too. No need for all this vexation.
>
> I agree, and all because I asked a simple question ...

Yes, you asked a simple question, and then you made all this fuss...

[Periander]

On 14-Nov-2012, Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:

> > I agree, and all because I asked a simple question ...
>
> Yes, you asked a simple question, and then you made all this fuss...

May I suggest to you both to revise your understanding of "Bataris box",
methinks the tiniest of moleholes and all that ...

[Jon Ribbens]

OK, I have revised my understanding of the term "Bataris box",
of which I have never heard, and it turns out nobody else has
heard of it either. Would you like to elaborate?

[Periander]

No consider it homework, self learning is always better received than taught
... try google.

[Clive George]

Google has heard of it.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-14, Periander <u...@britwar.couk> wrote:

Er, yes, I tried that. Google says "385 hits world-wide", which is
pretty much the Google equivalent of "no such thing exists".

[Jon Ribbens]

Barely.

[Periander]

Strange, I've just had look now and it gives nearly 3,000, anyway to save
any more faffing about ...

http://www.aegis-training.com/Aegis_Training_for_Security/LINKS/attitude_lock_in%20.htm
read it clockwise ...

... meanwhile back to my lines ...

"In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be helpful
on Usenet"
"In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be helpful
on Usenet"
"In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be helpful
on Usenet"
"In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be helpful
on Usenet"
"In addition to not ...

[Tony]

I just usually ignore what you write Jon, if most people do that, then your
message isn't being seen. You can try to be concise, it's admirable, but
assuming that people who feel they are being attacked have the issue is a
sign of not understanding the role of having 2 people in a conversation.

You are not imparting your view on someone else, you're taking part in a
conversation. You have to take responsibility for how your views are
delivered.

However, it's not possible to change people, I'm not trying to change you,
I'm trying to help you understand why I believe, someone feels you attacked

[Judith]

FFS : why not just let it go?

We all know that you are always right.

Now, for once, why not just leave it?

[Judith]

Are you perhaps new to this internet thing?

There is a facility called Google

The very first entry for the term gives:

"In any interaction it is essential to avoid your own attitude being a factor
responsible for generating or escalating conflict."


HTH

HAND

[kat]

Yeah, I saw it. I don't think you were being concise though, Concise would
mean you didn't type a word, given the situation was now resolved. Concise
would mean you would now drop it, not continue to go an about Ophelia making
a fuss.

Also, concise doesn't work with everyone, especially when that person is
trying to understand something and need decent explanations, not blunt
statements that they are bothering too much.

But I also refer you to Tony's answer to your post. I cope because I have
known you ( on usenet) a long time, I ignored it until you pushed it too
far, then I tried to get you to understand what was happening.


--
kat
>^..^<

[kat]

Periander wrote:
> On 14-Nov-2012, Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> May I suggest to you both to revise your understanding of "Bataris
>>>>> box",
>>>>> methinks the tiniest of moleholes and all that ...
>>>>
>>>> OK, I have revised my understanding of the term "Bataris box",
>>>> of which I have never heard, and it turns out nobody else has
>>>> heard of it either. Would you like to elaborate?
>>>
>>> No consider it homework, self learning is always better received
>>> than taught
>>> ... try google.
>>
>> Er, yes, I tried that. Google says "385 hits world-wide", which is
>> pretty much the Google equivalent of "no such thing exists".
>
> Strange, I've just had look now and it gives nearly 3,000, anyway to
> save any more faffing about ...
>
> http://www.aegis-training.com/Aegis_Training_for_Security/LINKS/attitude_lock_in%20.htm
> read it clockwise ...

I got 2,880. Your link was top.

I like that!

>
> ... meanwhile back to my lines ...
>
> "In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be
> helpful on Usenet"
> "In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be
> helpful on Usenet"
> "In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be
> helpful on Usenet"
> "In addition to not introducing humour I must try harder not to be
> helpful on Usenet"
> "In addition to not ...

Silly Periander.:-)

--
kat
>^..^<

[Periander]

On 14-Nov-2012, "kat" <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got 2,880. Your link was top.
>
> I like that!

Not "my" link, just hit the one that came out on top. Quite unusual nowadays
for Google to link to anything but wikipeadia. I tend to use
http://duckduckgo.com and http://gibiru.com/ as my search engines nowadays,
much, much better results ... google as it was several years ago. But until
they catch on we have the "if it's not on google it doesn't exist" issue to
overcome. Once upon a time it was yahoo ... and look where they are now.

[Ophelia]

"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote in message

news:aghas2...@mid.individual.net...

Ahhhhhhhhhh a real internet techie <g>
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http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-14, Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> FFS : why not just let it go?
>
> We all know that you are always right.
>
> Now, for once, why not just leave it?

Very droll. You really are quite funny sometimes.

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2012-11-14, kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2012-11-13, kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>>>> She didn't need to prod in the first place. How am I supposed to
>>>> know when or if she's going to stop? It was not my intention to
>>>> inflame anything.
>>>
>>> The Todal posted that he had whitelisted her at 16.25, you asked why
>>> she was so obsessed nearly an hour later. Why bother?
>>
>> I refer the honourable lady to the answer I gave some moments ago.
>
> Yeah, I saw it. I don't think you were being concise though,

Er, no, I was referring to the answer that is quoted at the top of
this post.

> I ignored it until you pushed it too far, then I tried to get you to
> understand what was happening.

Yes, that precisely describes why I made my post to Ophelia ;-)