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Ian Jackson
>The creation message for the moderated group uk.rec.cycling.moderated
>has just been issued.
Excellent!
Thanks to everyone who helped to create the group, but particularly to
my ten co-moderators, to the votetaker (who is now recovering from a
serious reaction to Tamiflu), and of course to the readers and voters.
Everything seems to be working correctly. I have just approved the
first three articles and they are propagating normally. Propagation
may be patchy in some remote corners but most servers which carry uk.*
are running on full autopilot and will have the newsgroup by now.
So we are in business.
In case of technical problems (lost articles, poor propagation, etc.)
please contact me privately by email (at the address above, or in case
of spamfilter problems at postmaster@chiark).
If you have questions about the moderation policy, please contact
urcm-moderators@chiark.
If these don't work you can use the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation
but of course that is a bit of a troll pit so you'll have to hold your
nose.
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Ace
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control <con...@usenet.org.uk> wrote:
>>The creation message for the moderated group uk.rec.cycling.moderated
>>has just been issued.
>
>Excellent!
>
>Thanks to everyone who helped to create the group, but particularly to
>my ten co-moderators, to the votetaker (who is now recovering from a
>serious reaction to Tamiflu), and of course to the readers and voters.
And thanks to you, for your not inconsiderable efforts to achieve this
end.
>So we are in business.
Indeed.
>If you have questions about the moderation policy, please contact
>urcm-moderators@chiark.
Will you, or they, or somebody be keeping records of how many
posts/posters are accepted or rejected? I'd just be interested to see
to what extent the trolls attempt to overwhelm the moderators.
Just zis Guy, you know?
> Will you, or they, or somebody be keeping records of how many
> posts/posters are accepted or rejected? I'd just be interested to see
> to what extent the trolls attempt to overwhelm the moderators.
I think we should encourage a couple of individuals to compete for the
coveted "most rejected posts" award. This will be something where
they can indulge their desire to "win" without falling foul of the
tiresome necessity to actually be right some of the time.
--
Guy
D.M. Procida
Oh, for God's sake.
What do you want? The sooner I can forget that they exist, the better. I
don't want to be reminded, in their absence, by people who think might
be a laugh to encourage them to make a nuisance of themselves.
The people who will suffer this nuisance incidentally will be the
moderators. I hope they take a dim view of any kind of stupid
shit-stirring, whether it's from people who ride bikes or not.
Daniele
Ian Jackson
Ace <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote:
>Will you, or they, or somebody be keeping records of how many
>posts/posters are accepted or rejected?
Not really, no. There are some (perhaps rather hard to fathom) logs
on the moderation web page but we'll be expiring them and I don't
think anyone intends to keep stats for the longer term.
> I'd just be interested to see
>to what extent the trolls attempt to overwhelm the moderators.
I think we have tools which will be able to cope with such an attempt
fairly easily. What's more likely is noise in uk.net.news.moderation.
Ace
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <cam8d51cc63883i45...@4ax.com>,
>Ace <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote:
>>Will you, or they, or somebody be keeping records of how many
>>posts/posters are accepted or rejected?
>
>Not really, no. There are some (perhaps rather hard to fathom) logs
>on the moderation web page but we'll be expiring them and I don't
>think anyone intends to keep stats for the longer term.
Actually, seeing Guy's (presumably tongue-in-cheek) suggestion would
seem to indicate that such stats would not be a good thing, so
probably for the best.
>> I'd just be interested to see
>>to what extent the trolls attempt to overwhelm the moderators.
>
>I think we have tools which will be able to cope with such an attempt
>fairly easily.
I hoped as much.
>What's more likely is noise in uk.net.news.moderation.
Whingeing about every post that's rejected - sort of thing? Oh well,
hopefully they'll give up in time.
Ian Jackson
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:
>Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> I think we should encourage a couple of individuals to compete for the
>> coveted "most rejected posts" award. This will be something where
>> they can indulge their desire to "win" without falling foul of the
>> tiresome necessity to actually be right some of the time.
>
>Oh, for God's sake.
Quite.
>The people who will suffer this nuisance incidentally will be the
>moderators. I hope they take a dim view of any kind of stupid
>shit-stirring, whether it's from people who ride bikes or not.
Speaking for myself, I do indeed take a dim view of stupid
shit-stirring.
As it happens I don't think we're going to have a problem with being
swamped by idiot trolls; the moderation software is powerful and quick
enough, and there are enough of us, to deal with such a problem very
easily.
But, Guy, if you want to play games with trolls please don't drag us
and our new newsgroup into it. It is extremely rude to pick a fight
on someone else's behalf, which is what you're doing.
Geoff Berrow
real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote:
>
>Oh, for God's sake.
Rejected: Argumentative and blasphemous.
--
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My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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Sara
*raises hand* any idea why I can't see the new group on the German
server yet?
--
Sara
Cuddler of rats, cats and husband
Dominic Hargreaves
>
> *raises hand* any idea why I can't see the new group on the German
> server yet?
http://news.individual.net/faq.php#3.4
says:
"The hierarchies offered (except for alt.* and free.*) are complete with
the exception of binary groups. Please make sure that your news reader
has the latest list of newsgroups before contacting us (i.e. synchronize
your group list with our server first). "
Since the official group creation message has gone out, I would
expect this group to have been created. If you're sure that it isn't
there on news.individual.net, it might be worth dropping them a line
in case there is a problem with the automatic creation of new UK groups.
--
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PGP key 5178E2A5 from the.earth.li (keyserver,web,email)
Sara
Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> wrote:
> In uk.net.news.config Sara <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > *raises hand* any idea why I can't see the new group on the German
> > server yet?
>
> http://news.individual.net/faq.php#3.4
>
> says:
>
> "The hierarchies offered (except for alt.* and free.*) are complete with
> the exception of binary groups. Please make sure that your news reader
> has the latest list of newsgroups before contacting us (i.e. synchronize
> your group list with our server first). "
>
> Since the official group creation message has gone out, I would
> expect this group to have been created. If you're sure that it isn't
> there on news.individual.net, it might be worth dropping them a line
> in case there is a problem with the automatic creation of new UK groups.
Many thanks, but panic over - on my latest try of 'check for new groups'
it has appeared. Yay.
kat
> In uk.net.news.config Sara <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> *raises hand* any idea why I can't see the new group on the German
>> server yet?
>
> http://news.individual.net/faq.php#3.4
>
> says:
>
> "The hierarchies offered (except for alt.* and free.*) are complete
> with the exception of binary groups. Please make sure that your news
> reader has the latest list of newsgroups before contacting us (i.e.
> synchronize your group list with our server first). "
>
> Since the official group creation message has gone out, I would
> expect this group to have been created. If you're sure that it isn't
> there on news.individual.net, it might be worth dropping them a line
> in case there is a problem with the automatic creation of new UK
> groups.
It's on NIN, it was in my list of new groups this morning and I can see it.
--
kat
>^..^<
Sara
"kat" <kat....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Yup - got it now. For some reason or other it wasn't showing in my new
groups until after lunch.
Tosspot
> The creation message for the moderated group uk.rec.cycling.moderated has just been issued.
And I can see it! Happy troll free days ahead!
Well done to all you hardworking peeps that made it happen.
Dick Gaughan
Polite request.
Now that you've got your group, would you all be so kind as to
cease the crossposting of off-topic shite to unnc?
For the first time ever, I actually temporarily unsubbed from unnc
before I lost the will to live and have resubbed in the
expectation of normal service, so please be nice bairns and fuck
off back whence you emerged and leave unnc to the ancient ritual
of arguing about how many committee members it may or may not take
to change a lightbulb in the event that one might or might not
require changing and whether or not an amendment to the guidelines
would or would not be required.
This has been a public service solicitation. No cyclists were
harmed in its production. Yet.
--
DG
[Follow-ups set to unnc]
jms
Surely you will naturally be a candidate for that.
--
I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets.
I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets.
I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
Judith M Smith
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <cam8d51cc63883i45...@4ax.com>,
>Ace <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote:
>>Will you, or they, or somebody be keeping records of how many
>>posts/posters are accepted or rejected?
>
>Not really, no. There are some (perhaps rather hard to fathom) logs
>on the moderation web page but we'll be expiring them and I don't
>think anyone intends to keep stats for the longer term.
Certainly not - you would not want people to see any such statistics
- be able to spot bias unfairness or anything like that would you.
kat
> In uk.net.news.config, Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> expectation of normal service, so please be nice bairns and fuck
>> off back whence you emerged and leave unnc to the ancient ritual
>
> While I generally agree with Dick, and in fact, wrote and deleted
> something similar to this yesterday, I would just like to add ...
>
> At least one sitting committee member arrived due to the creation of a
> contentious newsgroup, and I'd be happy to see anyone who found unnc
> as a result of this newsgroup creation stay and take part in whatever
> constructive debate takes place about anything.
>
> If those people wanted to start some constructive debate, mores the
> better.
I did, and I agree, would be good to have people hang around.
--
kat
>^..^<
Dick Gaughan
18:36:35 +0100, Tony <postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>At least one sitting committee member arrived due to the creation of a
>contentious newsgroup, and I'd be happy to see anyone who found unnc as a
>result of this newsgroup creation stay and take part in whatever
>constructive debate takes place about anything.
Absolutely no disagreement with you or Kat on that - my sole
request is that they now give us a break from all the whining
about who did what to whom with what.
--
DG
Danny Colyer
> I did, and I agree, would be good to have people hang around.
Good. I thoroughly intend to at least lurk here permanently, now.
--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"I'm riding a unicycle with my pants down. This should be every boy's
dream." - Bartholomew J Simpson
Geoff Berrow
<d...@dickgaughan.co.uk> wrote:
>For the first time ever, I actually temporarily unsubbed from unnc
>before I lost the will to live and have resubbed in the
>expectation of normal service, so please be nice bairns and fuck
>off back whence you emerged and leave unnc to the ancient ritual
>of arguing about how many committee members it may or may not take
>to change a lightbulb in the event that one might or might not
>require changing and whether or not an amendment to the guidelines
>would or would not be required.
Trouble is Dick, that now that they've gone it's deader than a
waterlogged bodhran.
Good to see you're still about anyway, what with you never replying to
any of my emails and all... ;)
Nick
I know I should have been keeping up but why didn't u.r.c.m follow the
u.l.m pattern. Why didn't they just create a new newsgroup under
www.moderation.org.uk, e.g. with posting history visible via a seperate
webpage. Then the moderation queue/moderation reject process would be
transparent.
Why reinvent the wheel, or is it just that I have missed something?
Dick Gaughan
2009 12:07:33 +0100, Geoff Berrow <blth...@ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>Good to see you're still about anyway, what with you never replying to
>any of my emails and all... ;)
You have mail :)
--
DG
Dick Gaughan
[Seriously off-topic shite follows - reader discretion advised.
X-Rated, for Adults Only.]
In <n90ed5150gnakdsi8...@4ax.com> on Thu, 15 Oct
2009 12:07:33 +0100, Geoff Berrow <blth...@ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>Trouble is Dick, that now that they've gone it's deader than a
>waterlogged bodhran.
Waterlogged bodhrans, great idea. I'd patent it if I were you. I
could do the PR if you like.
"Tired of being the target of musicians' wrath? Sick of jokes
about Stanley knives? Had enough of being told to STFU? Fed up
having to wear body armour? We have the answer to all your ills!
Our state-of-the-art cutting-edge technological breakthrough means
you can now beat the fuck out of your dead goat with a guaranteed
maximum output of 0db! Guaranteed to bring smiles to those around
you! Be welcomed at sessions and festivals everywhere! An absolute
boon for the rhythmically challenged! Order now and get a free
metronome and water bucket!"
Maybe needs a bit of work.
--
DG
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Geoff Berrow <blth...@ckdog.co.uk>
>Trouble is Dick, that now that they've gone it's deader than a
>waterlogged bodhran.
uk.rec.gaelic-sports.wet-frisbee ?
--
Wm...
Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
Dick Gaughan
2009 14:08:53 +0100, .m <nos...@notnominet.name> wrote:
>I'll have whatever he's having...
One litre of industrial strength coffee and a slab of
double-chocolate walnut fudge cake for my Rt Hon friend, if you
please.
And a wheelbarrow.
--
DG
Ian Jackson
Nick <Ni...@spam.com> wrote:
>I know I should have been keeping up but why didn't u.r.c.m follow the
>u.l.m pattern. Why didn't they just create a new newsgroup under
>www.moderation.org.uk, e.g. with posting history visible via a seperate
>webpage. Then the moderation queue/moderation reject process would be
>transparent.
The logs from the moderation robotics are visible and linked to from
the urcm web page. They're not in the most convenient format but they
are pretty close to the bare metal.
moderation.org.uk is not an `official' part of the UK establishment;
it's just a service which some (but not all) moderated newsgroups use.
>Why reinvent the wheel, or is it just that I have missed something?
I don't really want to diss Richard Ashton or his system, but I felt I
would be able to do a better job with a different set of tools. For
example, the system we're using has the ability to `close' a thread,
which I know is something that the moderators of uk.legal.moderated
would appreciate having.
If there's some way you think the current arrangements could be
improved I'm certainly receptive to suggestions although I may not
have a lot of time for implementing them ...
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>And a wheelbarrow.
You've done wheelbarrow racing too? Were you driver or load? Being a
load [1] is scary.
[1] I only weigh about this much [small amount] so I was invariably the
load. Going backwards while your bestest and strongest mate is pushing
rather than thinking ...
Dick Gaughan
+0100, "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:54:06 <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>
>uk.net.news.config Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>
>>And a wheelbarrow.
>
>You've done wheelbarrow racing too? Were you driver or load?
I regret, due to how I earn my crusts, that my experience of
transportation is limited to devices which have internal
combustion engines, hence (note the brilliantly executed maneouvre
back on topic) my all-consuming indifference to the recent cycle
tsunami.
But in younger days I confess that I did operate the occasional
wheelbarrow in spells on building sites (known in my trade as
"resting")
And to me racing is an exclusively sedentary activity involving
bad judgement, gnashing of teeth, cuddies and turf accountants.
--
DG
Molly Mockford
wrote in <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>:
>and a slab of double-chocolate walnut fudge cake
I want, I want, I want!!!
--
Molly
I don't speak for the Committee. If I ever do, it will be made
specifically clear.
My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk>
>At 14:54:06 on Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>wrote in <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>:
>
>>and a slab of double-chocolate walnut fudge cake
>
>I want, I want, I want!!!
You know it will go straight to your Hibs [1]
[1] other Scottish football teams are available
kat
>
> But in younger days I confess that I did operate the occasional
> wheelbarrow in spells on building sites (known in my trade as
> "resting")
>
>
"Resting" always seems to involve so much hard work!
--
kat
>^..^<
kat
> At 14:54:06 on Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
> wrote in <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>:
>
>> and a slab of double-chocolate walnut fudge cake
>
> I want, I want, I want!!!
Metoo, metoo, metoo!
--
kat
>^..^<
Percy Picacity
news:Ier*rP...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk:
> In article <011b4075$0$28517$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Nick <Ni...@spam.com> wrote:
>>I know I should have been keeping up but why didn't u.r.c.m follow
>>the u.l.m pattern. Why didn't they just create a new newsgroup
>>under www.moderation.org.uk, e.g. with posting history visible via
>>a seperate webpage. Then the moderation queue/moderation reject
>>process would be transparent.
>
> The logs from the moderation robotics are visible and linked to
> from the urcm web page. They're not in the most convenient format
> but they are pretty close to the bare metal.
I probably haven't been paying attention but is the above web page
public and, if so, where is it, please?
--
Percy Picacity
Molly Mockford
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote in
<0jTrRyzip11KFwOL@[127.0.0.1]>:
>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:05:27 <xDgQ7uZX...@molly.mockford>
>uk.net.news.config Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk>
>
>>At 14:54:06 on Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>>wrote in <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>and a slab of double-chocolate walnut fudge cake
>>
>>I want, I want, I want!!!
>
>You know it will go straight to your Hibs [1]
>
>[1] other Scottish football teams are available
Not around Dick, they're not!
Graham Drabble
news:t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com:
> One litre of industrial strength coffee and a slab of
> double-chocolate walnut fudge cake for my Rt Hon friend, if you
> please.
Someone get this man on the committee!
--
Graham Drabble
http://www.drabble.me.uk/
Dick Gaughan
I'd send you both some but the economic crisis coupled with all
this global warming shite and the climate difference between up
here and down there means it'd melt before it got to Morpeth.
But I'll be thinking of you as I savour my next mouthful.
Och, don't mention it. See me? I'm all heart, I am.
--
DG
kat
All heart attack, if you eat it all. You need help!
--
kat
>^..^<
jms
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:54:06 <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>
>uk.net.news.config Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>
>>And a wheelbarrow.
>
>You've done wheelbarrow racing too? Were you driver or load? Being a
>load [1] is scary.
>
>[1] I only weigh about this much [small amount] so I was invariably the
>load. Going backwards while your bestest and strongest mate is pushing
>rather than thinking ...
Oh hello Wm.
Any chance of you providing the information you promised - or are you
going back on your word?
--
Latest DfT Figures: Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers:
Killed or seriously injured: Pedal Cyclists : 527 Pedestrians 371
All casualties: Pedal Cyclists : 3494 Pedestrians : 1631
Which is more dangerous?
jms
It is the deliberate intention that the moderation and reject process
is NOT transparent.
One of the moderators actually said :
"It's much better if the moderators are mysterious and arbitrary, and
every moderation decision is unexplained and final. "
In a way that very adequately summarises the whole URCM moderation
mindset.
--
British Medical Association (BMA)
View on helmets:
Several studies provided solid scientific evidence that bicycle helmets
protect against head, brain, severe brain and facial injuries,
as well as death, as a result of cycling accidents
jms
Yes - I too was surprised that Mr Jackson did not helpfully point
people to it:
Jim
Probably because it isn't helpful! Maybe you can fathom
what's there but it's all Greek to me - and I'm happy for it
to stay that way.
jms
I agree. It is not the intention to make the information available
and informative to the general user. It is more of an academic
exercise.
On the other hand - the uk.legal.moderated information is quite clear
and succinct.
I think Mr Jackson was wanting to prove that he could better that
system rather than just adopting it.
He has failed.
Molly Mockford
wrote in <1o2fd5pmcuj4dd6st...@4ax.com>:
Eat that whole cake on your own, and you'll be all stomach.
<gd&rlf>
chris French
<j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> writes
It's not that hard to make some sense of it. But it's not really
surprising that Ian didn't point people to it, since it's not exactly a
user friendly page (nor is it intended to be, it's a log)
Surprised you've not found something to post about to urcm Judith,
seeing as you are so interested in the group.
--
Chris French
Tom Crispin
<newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>Surprised you've not found something to post about to urcm Judith,
>seeing as you are so interested in the group.
Why are you surprised? It is unlikely to be on the news server she
uses.
Judith M Smith
<newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
Perhaps I have :-)
Judith M Smith
Yes - I had to use the neighbour's Wi-fi.
Keitht
shows nothing. 'Rejected' appears to be marked as 'test', 'just saying
hi' and the biggest culprit of all is someone known as 'ijackson'.
Anyone finding the list of a machine going 'got up, yawned, went to bog,
shat, made a cuppa, put on toast etc as having any sinister connotations
is a bit sad. Anyone trying to read through such a list tp try and
find something underhanded (I just searched for 'reject' after 30
seconds of working out it was nothing more than the usual machine log)
would also find themselves getting sexually aroused by covertly watching
paint dry.
Mr Jackson has done us a favour by not pointing out where you can see
chairk muttering to itself.
--
Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
Tom Crispin
<judith...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:02:43 +0100, Tom Crispin
><kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:11:09 +0100, chris French
>><newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Surprised you've not found something to post about to urcm Judith,
>>>seeing as you are so interested in the group.
>>
>>Why are you surprised? It is unlikely to be on the news server she
>>uses.
>
>
>Yes - I had to use the neighbour's Wi-fi.
It that Miss Stretton's Wi-Fi, or is she another neigbour?
jms
<kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:48:04 +0100, Judith M Smith
><judith...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:02:43 +0100, Tom Crispin
>><kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:11:09 +0100, chris French
>>><newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Surprised you've not found something to post about to urcm Judith,
>>>>seeing as you are so interested in the group.
>>>
>>>Why are you surprised? It is unlikely to be on the news server she
>>>uses.
>>
>>
>>Yes - I had to use the neighbour's Wi-fi.
>
>It that Miss Stretton's Wi-Fi, or is she another neigbour?
Bugger - who told you?
Wm...
uk.net.news.config jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>Bugger - who told you?
My advice to you is to stop posting.
Before you ask, the answer is "no, I didn't"
jms
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:36:26 <1pihd5161abcfb8no...@4ax.com>
>uk.net.news.config jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>
>>Bugger - who told you?
>
>My advice to you is to stop posting.
>
>Before you ask, the answer is "no, I didn't"
Hello Worm..
Offering me advice now? - many thanks.
Here's some for you : "If you say you will do something as part of an
agreement, then it is best to do it - otherewise people will rightly
conclude that you are dishonest - and not a man of his word."
Dave J.
Roger Merriman
> Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:54:06 <t3aed5l0tjs9mk8qs...@4ax.com>
> uk.net.news.config Dick Gaughan <d...@dickgaughan.co.uk>
>
> >And a wheelbarrow.
>
> You've done wheelbarrow racing too? Were you driver or load? Being a
> load [1] is scary.
>
> [1] I only weigh about this much [small amount] so I was invariably the
> load. Going backwards while your bestest and strongest mate is pushing
> rather than thinking ...
I've tended to be the driver being, a reasonbly large chap.
though have been a load as my mate in his teens was 17+ stone at 5"8 ish
at that stage he could lift me with ease....
roger
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