Any news on the URCM vote yet?
A.Lee
Ta
Alan.
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Pedt
Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>
>>As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>
>then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>
>This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>to diligently deal with Real Life[TM} :-)
>
Spot on.
RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
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Simon Brooke
> In message <eeeo85tcv48v3uc3tblm8ic0prvhtji...@4ax.com>, at 18:46:27 on
> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled>
>
> >to diligently deal with Real Life[TM} :-)
>
> Spot on.
>
> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
Best of luck hunting, then!
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk>
>This vote closed 5 weeks ago. When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
have forgotten about the proposed group.
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RudiL
> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 <p03qa5ptg2s3nj3n2to1etcsrs0c0s3...@4ax.com>
> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold <not-for-m...@ahjg.co.uk>> >> In message <eeeo85tcv48v3uc3tblm8ic0prvhtji...@4ax.com>, at 18:46:27 on
> >> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>
> >>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>
> >>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
> >>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>
> >>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
> >>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM} :-)
>
> >> Spot on.
>
> >> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
> >> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
>
> >This vote closed 5 weeks ago. When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
> --
> Wm...
> Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
No I haven't forgotten - just waiting ...
Rudi
Wm...
>Let's just hope Pedt doesn't do a runner (like Robbie in 2002) :-)
I don't think Pedt is that sort of person.
Clive George
news:66f2fd10-b416-4a8b...@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
>No I haven't forgotten - just waiting ...
Me neither.
We've been told we have to wait, and that there's nothing we can do about
that. So what point is there in discussing it over at URC now?
On 26 August, Pedt did say "The result is on its way. Control should be
posting it by the middle of next week as there's three working days on the
UKV internal list to come."
That was nearly three weeks ago.
So, where is it? Did it make it onto the UKV internal list?
OTOH I can't see any posts from Pedt in the past two weeks - is he ok?
Ian Jackson
Anthony R. Gold <tg...@panix.com> wrote:
>This vote closed 5 weeks ago. When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
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uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson <ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>In article <p03qa5ptg2s3nj3n2...@4ax.com>,
>Anthony R. Gold <tg...@panix.com> wrote:
>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago. When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
How far had the process been at the time of asking?
There are stages so you might say
"still with VT"
"passed on to VT org"
"viewed by komite"
etc
Alex Potter
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.
Not I.
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Alex
Just zis Guy, you know?
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.
Not forgotten. As a Wikipedia admin I am well aware that there is no SLA on
voluntary activity, however impatient the beneficiaries of that activity may
be.
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Ian Jackson
Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W0...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson <ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
>
>How far had the process been at the time of asking?
Last I heard (27th of August), it was still with the VT.
I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
announcements. I think a public statement of some kind - even an
unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
very helpful.
Tom Crispin
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <F$Jn2oYyujrKFw5Y@[127.0.0.1]>,
>Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W0...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>>uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson <ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>>>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>>>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
>>
>>How far had the process been at the time of asking?
>
>Last I heard (27th of August), it was still with the VT.
>
>I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>announcements. I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>very helpful.
I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
however well intentioned.
Just zis Guy, you know?
> I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
> however well intentioned.
So you said, at length. I think you were wrong, as I also said at length.
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Adam Funk
> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 <p03qa5ptg2s3nj3n2...@4ax.com>
> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk>
>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago. When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.
I haven't forgotten, but I don't want to badger the poor guy who has
to deal with the problems.
Jon Ribbens
> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
> announcements. I think a public statement of some kind - even an
> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
> very helpful.
What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
made several efforts to contact him.
If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
anything like that.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
We each need to balance our wish for the result to be seen and care for
other individuals. So, if Pedt has problems we should take account of
that, he is a volunteer, after all.
I guess the real problem is going to turn out to be JMS et al because
most of us probably voted in good faith and only once and it chose to
mess things up. Do you (not you personally, Adam) think it is pleased
with itself?
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk>
Yikes! I do hope Pedt is OK
Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you
well.
Jon, thank you for the update.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Yikes! I do hope Pedt is OK
>Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you
>well.
>Jon, thank you for the update.
<aol />
Alistair Gunn
> If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
> over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
> all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
> anything like that.
Oh, I can see the conspiracy theory already. It'll probably begin with
the idea that the committee wanted urcm created no matter what the actual
result was. Presumably Pedt refused to bow to such presure when the
result was "clearly" going the other way, hence the need to "take over
the counting" from "copies of the ballot emails" ... :-)
On a more serious note, I hope all is okay and Pedt resurfaces in the
near future.
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Let alone connected with my employer ...
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk>
>On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson <ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>> announcements. I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>> very helpful.
>
>What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
>month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
>made several efforts to contact him.
Have you tried getting in touch with Pedt's partner?
I'm wary of doing this independently as Pedt and Tasha may just have
chosen to take a break from usenet. Odd timing, perhaps, but real life
is still more important.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Have you tried getting in touch with Pedt's partner?
>I'm wary of doing this independently as Pedt and Tasha may just have
>chosen to take a break from usenet. Odd timing, perhaps, but real life
>is still more important.
I'll ask the shed.
jms
Need for it - nil.
Dead in the water
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jms
Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
how to present this.
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>Dead in the water
I hope you are wrong and that Pedt is alive.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
TomC:
>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>however well intentioned.
>
>
>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>how to present this.
If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.
James
> What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
> month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
> made several efforts to contact him.
>
> If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
> over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
> all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
> anything like that.
Thank you. Irrespective of the reasons, if the appointed vote-taker
isn't doing his job, it's time for someone else to take over.
James
Tom Crispin
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30 <vq60b5df5dcqk78hj...@4ax.com>
>uk.net.news.config jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>
>TomC:
>>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>>however well intentioned.
>>
>>
>>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>>how to present this.
>
>If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.
Why?
I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
I think that she is pitiful.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>I hope you are wrong and that Pedt is alive.
Apparently active elsewhere, according to the shed.
Judith M Smith
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30 <vq60b5df5dcqk78hj...@4ax.com>
>uk.net.news.config jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>
>TomC:
>>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>>however well intentioned.
>>
>>
>>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>>how to present this.
>
>If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.
Yes it really was an outrageous thing for me to say - wasn't it?
Care to explain why.
Judith M Smith
Indeed - the things I say here are almost as pitiful as riding through
red-lights and then bragging about it - particularly from someone with
moral responsibility like a school teacher.
Adam Funk
> We each need to balance our wish for the result to be seen and care for
> other individuals. So, if Pedt has problems we should take account of
> that, he is a volunteer, after all.
Absolutely!
> I guess the real problem is going to turn out to be JMS et al because
> most of us probably voted in good faith and only once and it chose to
> mess things up. Do you (not you personally, Adam) think it is pleased
> with itself?
Probably.
Adam Funk
> Yikes! I do hope Pedt is OK
>
> Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you
> well.
>
> Jon, thank you for the update.
Same from me.
jms
Perhaps Ian jackson could take over the counting.
Judith M Smith
what do you mean by JMS et al?
(Did you get Gab to vote this time? - or perhaps you just voted again
on her behalf?)
jms
<guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Wm... wrote:
>
>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
>Not forgotten. As a Wikipedia admin................
How are you getting on with that these days.
Still getting your hands slapped on a regular basis because of being
unfair and biased?
Isn't that what prompted those nasty pages about you?
Do you have the url - I seem to have lost it.
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I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy
Chapman)
RudiL
Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
possible?
Rudi
Jon Ribbens
> Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
> so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
> is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
> possible?
Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
likely mean a published result early next week.
RudiL
Jon - thank you for the speedy clarification.
Rudi
Tom Crispin
wrote:
Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
becomes null and void?
jms
I must admit it is so like a third world country vote - I wonder if
the result will be as accurate as they usually are?
I assume that the vote counter will resign.
I can understand that he may have some other matters which prohibit
him from completing his task.
However, it is down right rude and unacceptable to not explain what is
happening.
Tom Crispin
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:22:37 +0100, .m <nos...@notnominet.name>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:48:27 +0100, jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I assume that the vote counter will resign.
>>
>>You are free to assume whatever your little heart desires, but until
>>the full story is known, you're probably safer shutting the fuck up.
>
>Well out of order geezer.
>
>I voted and expected the result in a timely manner.
>
>Pedt posted several weeks ago saying the result was imminent.
>
>This has the stink of an Afgani election.
Compared with the 2004 US presidential election debacle, the Afghan
election is a great example of a fine democratic process. As Mao
famously said, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
>Start again or (preferably) drop it.
Tom Crispin
wrote:
>Yes, we're all colluding against you, and everyone else.
Pedt was watching the vote carefully.
I seem to recall warnings against canvassing being issued to both
sides of the debate.
Will a replacement vote taker be as thorough?
Mark Goodge
and typed:
No.
Mark
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Judith M Smith
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:48:27 +0100, jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>I assume that the vote counter will resign.
>
>You are free to assume whatever your little heart desires, but until
>the full story is known, you're probably safer shutting the fuck up.
Well thank you Mother - (may I call you that?) for your considered
opinion.
You are right - I should not have said "assume" - I should have said
"hope".
Judith M Smith
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:11:41 +0100, Victor Meldrew <vic...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Well out of order geezer.
>
>Try not to confuse me with someone who cares what you think.
>
>>I voted and expected the result in a timely manner.
>
>I voted, and know that I haven't any clue as to what a 'timely manner'
>would be. If you want it quick, feel free to go pay Popularis to run
>your own vote, or make use of www.strawpoll.org.uk - whatever you do,
>it won't affect whether the group is created or not, that result will
>come when UKV are happy with it - no amount of footstamping or
>tantrums is going to change that.
>
>>Pedt posted several weeks ago saying the result was imminent.
>
>And nobody has proven to have heard anything from him since, which to
>me - regardless of any vote - is actually quite concerning.
>
>So unless you know otherwise that he's just said "fuckit, canne be
>bothered", I refer you to my suggestion to "jms".
>
>>This has the stink of an Afgani election.
>
>Yes, we're all colluding against you, and everyone else.
>
Has anyone told you that you are an arsehole?
Judith M Smith
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:10:10 +0100, Tom Crispin
><kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
>
>>>Yes, we're all colluding against you, and everyone else.
>>
>>Pedt was watching the vote carefully.
>
>I would fully expect all of UKV would have been watching, very
>carefully. Organisationally they seem very formal, structured and
>professional.
>
>>I seem to recall warnings against canvassing being issued to both
>>sides of the debate.
>>
>>Will a replacement vote taker be as thorough?
>
>My 'personal' opinion (based upon my dealings with UKV whilst I've
>been on the Committee) is that they're very diligent. Jon has said,
>however, that he'll do a quick 'review' in order to get a basic
>result. I'm more than convinced that this will prove to be accurate
>so far as regards getting a reliable conclusion - accepted by UKV peer
>review. I do not doubt that there are some 'complexities' in this
>particular vote though, and it may well be the case that a degree of
>ambiguity is allowed, provided the overall balance of 'easily
>validated' votes demonstrates a majority 'one way or the other', that
>is unaffected by the 'ambiguous' votes.
>
>Like I said, this is my 'personal' opinion.
And what makes you think anyone will be interested in that (to echo
your own comments)
Have I said - has anyone told you that you are an arsehole?
Judith M Smith
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:28:53 +0100, Tom Crispin
><kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
>
>>Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
>>becomes null and void?
>
>No. Whatever the case, I do know Jon mentioned that there had been a
>very high turnout
Perhaps some people voted several times.
.m
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:02:24 +0100, Judith M Smith
<judith...@live.co.uk> said:
> Has anyone told you that you are an arsehole?
No. I've been called worse though, from many who, unlike you, are
not total fuckwits.
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Judith M Smith
>
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:02:24 +0100, Judith M Smith
><judith...@live.co.uk> said:
>> Has anyone told you that you are an arsehole?
>
>No. I've been called worse though, from many who, unlike you, are
>not total fuckwits.
Snigger.
So many people have called you worse than an arsehole - and you
actually acknowledge that they are not fuckwits - so normal sane
people then.
I think I agree with them.
Sort of sums you up, and what people think of you, quite nicely.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
jms
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:22:05 +0100, Judith M Smith
><judith...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>So many people have called you worse than an arsehole - and you
>>actually acknowledge that they are not fuckwits - so normal sane
>>people then.
>
>Yep, far worse, from 'normal' people, who are not fuckwits, and often
>people for whom I have developed a degree of respect, albeit not
>necessarily always agreeing with what they say. I doubt you will ever
>be one of those people.
To be truthful - I could not give jack shit whether I gain your
respect or not; your immature response and advice was quite
sufficient.
I would have thought that if you were a conscientious member of the
committee a response such as below would have been more appropriate.
"We are also concerned and we have tried to contact the vote taker in
order to ascertain ....... and we intend to take alternative action
......."
I suppose telling someone to shut the fuck up is just as good.
Judith M Smith
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:29:08 +0100, jms <moderat...@live.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>I would have thought that if you were a conscientious member of the
>>committee a response such as below would have been more appropriate.
>
>In case you missed it, I was writing specifically in a personal
>capacity, and therefore have to issues with suggesting you fuck off.
Indeed - I can see that you find the abusive response better than the
polite one when you are just being yourself.
Keep up the good work.
Tom Crispin
wrote:
>To be truthful - I could not give jack shit whether I gain your
>respect or not; your immature response and advice was quite
>sufficient.
Odd.
I found the response from .m satisfactory, mature and polite, even if
I would have preferred the whole sorry saga of the new group to be
dropped.
Just zis Guy, you know?
> I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
> share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
> evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
> I think that she is pitiful.
Most of us would not bother referencing a stopped clock twice a day.
--
Guy
jms
Most of us do not believe the words of a liar.
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Just zis Guy, you know?
>>> I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
>>> share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
>>> evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the
>>> same), I think that she is pitiful.
>> Most of us would not bother referencing a stopped clock twice a day.
> Most of us do not believe the words of a liar.
That's another reason to ignore you, true enough.
--
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Judith M Smith
Ho, ho, ho - that's rich coming from you - the one who is so
spineless he cannot answer a question without fear of upsetting his
god and getting a lightning bolt up the arse.
Don't you think that decent people will now have realised why you
won't answer?
I'll tell you what:
I'll produce a list of ten lies which you have told.
You try and do the same - of things I have said.
You really are a fuckwit - kill-file broken again?????
Ian Jackson
one of our trolls wrote:
>[more vacuous vitriol]
I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
newsreading approach.
So from now on, please do not infer anything in particular if I fail
to respond to trolls even if it seems that their posting could
usefully benefit from a contribution from me.
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Geoff Berrow
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
>killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
>think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
>newsreading approach.
No worries Ian, that requirement ended long ago.
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RudiL
> In article <ibqkc512teeqnt4mnrvfnadgng70850...@4ax.com>,
> one of our trolls wrote:
>
> >[more vacuous vitriol]
>
> I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
> killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
> think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
> newsreading approach.
>
> So from now on, please do not infer anything in particular if I fail
> to respond to trolls even if it seems that their posting could
> usefully benefit from a contribution from me.
>
Don't blame you. And indeed there is no need for you to read
everything on this group any longer as the discussion about the new
group is now over. It would be nice if the new group came soon though.
By the way be prepared for posts apparently from long standing members
of urc but actually from you know who. I was caught out by an email
like this recently. It may be worth considering PGP authentication
Rudi
Judith M Smith
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <ibqkc512teeqnt4mn...@4ax.com>,
>one of our trolls wrote:
>>[more vacuous vitriol]
>
>I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
>killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
>think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
>newsreading approach.
>
>So from now on, please do not infer anything in particular if I fail
>to respond to trolls even if it seems that their posting could
>usefully benefit from a contribution from me.
You what?
So someone posts something and there could be a useful contribution
response from you (perhaps more people benefiting from the post and
your response) - but you won't make it - as the person who made the
post was a "troll".
Yes - a very mature attitude - many thanks.
I guess it enables you to ignore those difficult questions as well>
Have you tried test messages to the two moderator email addresses yet?
You know the sort of thing - do they accept emails from all type of
email systems for example?
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Adam Funk
> In article <ibqkc512teeqnt4mn...@4ax.com>,
> one of our trolls wrote:
>>[more vacuous vitriol]
>
> I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
> killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
> think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
> newsreading approach.
>
> So from now on, please do not infer anything in particular if I fail
> to respond to trolls even if it seems that their posting could
> usefully benefit from a contribution from me.
Good grief, you're still doing that? Give yourself a rest.
Judith M Smith
wrote:
>On 6 Oct, 11:20, Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Did you spill any beans?
Who was it from?
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View on helmets:
Several studies provided solid scientific evidence that bicycle helmets
protect against head, brain, severe brain and facial injuries,
as well as death, as a result of cycling accidents
RudiL
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 03:39:05 -0700 (PDT), RudiL <rudilu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 6 Oct, 11:20, Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >> In article <ibqkc512teeqnt4mnrvfnadgng70850...@4ax.com>,
> >> one of our trolls wrote:
>
> >> >[more vacuous vitriol]
>
> >> I've been dutifully reading this group without the benefit of a
> >> killfile since being told that it was essential for a proponent, but I
> >> think the time has come for me to return to a more sensible
> >> newsreading approach.
>
> >> So from now on, please do not infer anything in particular if I fail
> >> to respond to trolls even if it seems that their posting could
> >> usefully benefit from a contribution from me.
>
> >Don't blame you. And indeed there is no need for you to read
> >everything on this group any longer as the discussion about the new
> >group is now over. It would be nice if the new group came soon though.
> >By the way be prepared for posts apparently from long standing members
> >of urc but actually from you know who. I was caught out by an email
> >like this recently. It may be worth considering PGP authentication
>
> >Rudi
>
> Did you spill any beans?
>
> Who was it from?
It was from a nym-shifting trolling hotmail user who for some reason
was clearly very very worried by what I might or might not know about
the trolling nym-shifting jms
Rudi
Judith M Smith
wrote:
<snip>
> I was caught out by an email
>> >like this recently. It may be worth considering PGP authentication
>>
>> >Rudi
>>
>> Did you spill any beans?
>>
>> Who was it from?
>
>It was from a nym-shifting trolling hotmail user who for some reason
>was clearly very very worried by what I might or might not know about
>the trolling nym-shifting jms
>
>Rudi
Is it true you told someone to "Try googling Judith smith wheelchair
uk and you will find her".
Any particular reason why *you* were doing that?
" If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas" -
how is Wm.. by the way?
RudiL
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 02:06:59 -0700 (PDT), RudiL <rudilu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I was caught out by an email
> >> >like this recently. It may be worth considering PGP authentication
>
> >> >Rudi
>
> >> Did you spill any beans?
>
> >> Who was it from?
>
> >It was from a nym-shifting trolling hotmail user who for some reason
> >was clearly very very worried by what I might or might not know about
> >the trolling nym-shifting jms
>
> >Rudi
>
> Is it true you told someone to "Try googling Judith smith wheelchair
> uk and you will find her".
>
Yes I told the very worried nym-shifting trolling hotmail user. As I
said I have not used anything other than publicly available
information, which may or may not be accurate.
> Any particular reason why *you* were doing that?
>
Interest in what sort of person would go so out of their way to cause
so much annoyance in a group they have no interest in.
> how is Wm.. by the way?
No idea, other than I see he is still posting.
Rudi
Judith M Smith
wrote:
>On 7 Oct, 11:50, Judith M Smith <judithmsm...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 02:06:59 -0700 (PDT), RudiL <rudilu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > I was caught out by an email
>> >> >like this recently. It may be worth considering PGP authentication
>>
>> >> >Rudi
>>
>> >> Did you spill any beans?
>>
>> >> Who was it from?
>>
>> >It was from a nym-shifting trolling hotmail user who for some reason
>> >was clearly very very worried by what I might or might not know about
>> >the trolling nym-shifting jms
>>
>> >Rudi
>>
>> Is it true you told someone to �"Try googling Judith smith wheelchair
>> uk and you will find her".
>>
>
>Yes I told the very worried nym-shifting trolling hotmail user. As I
>said I have not used anything other than publicly available
>information, which may or may not be accurate.
You will of course then be able to point out what suggested to you ,
from the public domain, that you should google for "Judith smith
wheelchair uk"
and then perhaps you could add precisely why you had done so, and
then suggested that someone else should.
Are you in regular contact with Wm.. - could you perhaps share your
agenda?
RudiL
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:00:21 -0700 (PDT), RudiL <rudilu...@gmail.com>
All answered in other threads. I'm stopping this now!
Rudi
Judith M Smith
wrote:
<snip>
>
>All answered in other threads. I'm stopping this now!
>
>Rudi
You have not answered :
You will of course then be able to point out what suggested to you ,
from the public domain, �that you should google for "Judith smith
wheelchair uk"
Please do.
Obviously if it was - then you have nothing to fear.
Please just point it out - and we can drop the matter.
Charles Lindsey
>I guess it enables you to ignore those difficult questions as well>
>Have you tried test messages to the two moderator email addresses yet?
>You know the sort of thing - do they accept emails from all type of
>email systems for example?
Why don't you try it yourself, if you're so bothered?
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Judith M Smith
<c...@clerew.man.ac.uk> wrote:
>In <8e7mc5lf4rlluk40b...@4ax.com> Judith M Smith <judith...@live.co.uk> writes:
>
>>I guess it enables you to ignore those difficult questions as well>
>
>>Have you tried test messages to the two moderator email addresses yet?
>
>>You know the sort of thing - do they accept emails from all type of
>>email systems for example?
>
>Why don't you try it yourself, if you're so bothered?
I'm awfully sorry - I was just asking if Jackson had tested a key part
of the user interface.
I believe that this may be the norm with IT systems - but I am not
sure.
The customer/users tell the provider what they want.
The provider implements the system.
The provider tests the key parts of the system
The provider tells the user that the system is working as requested.
The customer then tests the system themselves - before it goes live.
The fact that you told him to ensure that they do - I would have
expected him to set it up and test it.
I have tried - with no success.
Hence my question to Jackson.
I would like him to confirm that he has tested it and it works
Seems reasonable to me.