www.folkmap.co.uk
Jim Lawton
I'll never finish it, but it's had a massive upgrade. I'll be emailing everyone
who has existing events very shortly, and starting to work/advertise/beg for
more data.
Basically everyone needs to check over their entries, add counties etc etc.
Automatic nagging will begin in a month's time too :-)
Cheers
Jim
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Steve G
"Jim Lawton" <use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in message
news:rkmqr1p0mdt5588id...@4ax.com...
Do you have to pay for this service?
Jim Lawton
Not to place a simple pin, however, should you feel "delighted" as the business
world would have it, you could upgrade and support the project fro the price of
a CD.
Cheers, J
--
a Yorkshire polymoth
Jim Lawton
fabulous ( :0) prize ...
Peter Thomas
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> writes
map, turns to unlabelled pins hanging in empty space when clicked on.
Java is enabled. Fun finding anything.
Likewise 1.0.6 [Linux disk] except that even the pins don't show.
--
Peter Thomas
Jim Lawton
I only handle technical queries in the forum or by email
cheers,
Jim Lawton
cheers J
--
a Yorkshire polymoth
Brian
> just to add , could be this http://www.folkmap.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42
Luckily my Firefox works - had a look at your link and couldn't find
"Tools -> Options -> naughty" in my version.
Brian ;-)
Peter Thomas
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> writesYes, thank you, Jim.
--
Peter Thomas
Jon Freeman
Well on Window I can find it under Tools/Options/Content but you won't
find even find "Tools" on my Linux version. I haven't used it so I don't
know if things have changed with 1.5 but at least up until then, Linux
Firefox has been different to Windows with the Linux version being more
like Netscape/Mozilla and the Windows one being more like IE.
The setting mentioned can be found on my browser under
Edit/Prefrences/Web Features.
Chris Ryall
>www.folkmap.co.uk
>
>I'll never finish it, but it's had a massive upgrade. I'll be emailing
>everyone who has existing events very shortly, and starting to
>work/advertise/beg for more data.
It's lovely, and well crafted. The two clubs I patronise on the Mersey
aren't there - am I allowed to post pins for them?
Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
looking for clubs in the South West ;))
--
Chris Ryall Wirral UK <cjr...@my.domain>
Happy and prosperous New Year t'y'all
Jim Lawton
Bizarre - it's the "bad word" substitution facility in the bulletin board -
currently it seems to think that "Content" is a naughty word ... I can probaby
fix that ...
"Makes me laugh"
Jim
>
>Brian ;-)
--
a Yorkshire polymoth
Jim Lawton
wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:34:36 +0000, Brian <m...@here.now> wrote:
>
>>Jim Lawton wrote:
>>> just to add , could be this http://www.folkmap.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42
>>
>>Luckily my Firefox works - had a look at your link and couldn't find
>>"Tools -> Options -> naughty" in my version.
>
>Bizarre - it's the "bad word" substitution facility in the bulletin board -
>currently it seems to think that "Content" is a naughty word ... I can probaby
>fix that ...
Aha - there's another word begins with "c" and ends with "nt", it's OK now. And
yes that other word is *still* naughty.
Phil Taylor
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:
How about the other 106 words in the English language which start with
"c" and end with "nt"?
cajolement
calamint
calefacient
candescent
can't
casement
catchment
celebrant
cement
cent
chant
chastisement
checkpoint
circulant
circumambient
circumfluent
circumvent
claimant
clairaudient
clairvoyant
clement
client
coagulant
coalescent
coefficient
coexistent
cogent
cognisant
cognizant
coherent
coincident
colorant
colourant
combatant
commandant
commandment
commencement
comment
commitment
communicant
compartment
competent
complacent
complainant
complaint
complaisant
complement
compliant
compliment
component
comportment
concealment
concernment
concomitant
concordant
concupiscent
concurrent
condiment
conferment
confessant
confidant
confident
confinement
confluent
confront
congealment
congratulant
congregant
congruent
conjoint
consent
consequent
consignment
consistent
consonant
constant
constituent
constraint
consultant
convalescent
convenient
convent
convergent
conversant
convincement
convulsant
coolant
cormorant
corposant
corpulent
correspondent
corroborant
cosecant
cotangent
couchant
count
covalent
covariant
covenant
crapulent
crepitant
crescent
crosspoint
culminant
currant
current
curtailment
and a few more I haven't thought of?
Phil Taylor
Jim Lawton
They'll all be fine too - do you have a little too much spare time on your hands
:-)
Jack Campin - bogus address
>>> Luckily my Firefox works - had a look at your link and couldn't find
>>> "Tools -> Options -> naughty" in my version.
>> Bizarre - it's the "bad word" substitution facility in the bulletin board -
>> currently it seems to think that "Content" is a naughty word
> it's OK now. And yes that other word is *still* naughty.
Your system hasn't penetrated Scunthorpe, then?
: How about the other 106 words in the English language which start with
: "c" and end with "nt"?
Some of those are clubs I've been to...
The Complacent Folk Club
The Corpulent Folk Club
The Chastisement Folk Club
The Covalent Folk Club (too tightly bonded to get any reaction out of)
The Claimant Folk Club ("I'll have six strings on it again when my giro
comes through")
and some sound like fun...
The Clairvoyant Folk Club
The Concupiscent Folk Club
I couldn't face an evening of Singing Nun songs so the Convent FC is out.
The Consonant Folk Club is presumably somewhere in the former Yugoslavia
amd the Covariant FC could be anywhere in the universe.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
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<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
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"Jack Campin - bogus address" <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Chris Ryall
>> >Bizarre - it's the "bad word" substitution facility in the bulletin board -
>> >currently it seems to think that "Content" is a naughty word ... I can
>> >probaby
>> >fix that ...
>>
>> Aha - there's another word begins with "c" and ends with "nt", it's OK now.
>> And
>> yes that other word is *still* naughty.
>
>How about the other 106 words in the English language which start with
>"c" and end with "nt"?
continent? contingent?
Anyway - the curate asks "I can't :)) get this one.
Four letters, ends 'U' 'N' 'T' and the clue is 'feminine member'?
"Aunt" suggests the vicar.
"Got a rubber"?
Marjorie Clarke
"Chris Ryall" <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:ygLInzQYqivDFwq0@[127.0.0.1]...
> Jim Lawton wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>www.folkmap.co.uk
>>
>>I'll never finish it, but it's had a massive upgrade. I'll be emailing
>>everyone who has existing events very shortly, and starting to
>>work/advertise/beg for more data.
>
> It's lovely, and well crafted. The two clubs I patronise on the Mersey
> aren't there - am I allowed to post pins for them?
>
> Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
> the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
> looking for clubs in the South West ;))
I am - but if you look at the map before you summon up the balloons, you'll
see that the SW is almost devoid of clubs anyway :-(
It's not really as much of a desert as the map suggests so far. There are
actually quite a few clubs and sessions in the area, not indicated here.
Perhaps the organisers will make themselves known before long.
--
Best wishes,
Marjorie
Jim Lawton
>Jim Lawton wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>www.folkmap.co.uk
>>
>>I'll never finish it, but it's had a massive upgrade. I'll be emailing
>>everyone who has existing events very shortly, and starting to
>>work/advertise/beg for more data.
>
>It's lovely, and well crafted.
That's nice of you, but it's not actually as well crafted as it might be - after
35 years as a programmer though, I have really only two criteria - (1) is it
reliable? (2) is it usable ... hope the answer is Yes ...
The two clubs I patronise on the Mersey
>aren't there - am I allowed to post pins for them?
First question is , can you not get the organisers to do it?
>
>Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
>the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
>looking for clubs in the South West ;))
That should be OK - I guess you are using Firefox - refresh the page, as you are
getting an old stylesheet. If that doesn't work, stick a query in the forum.
However, I agree that box should close, once you move off the pin.
Cheers,
Chris Ryall
>There are actually quite a few clubs and sessions in the area, not
>indicated here. Perhaps the organisers will make themselves known
>before long.
Spread the word. I've just posted a pin on behalf of Frodsham FC.
Fine facility and well done to Jim. There's an option to pay for a pin.
Am I right in assuming that a simple 'stick' is free and for the good of
mankind. Frodsham don't charge. There's a donation box near the door.
--oo00oo--
Jim Lawton wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>The two clubs I patronise on the Mersey
>>aren't there - am I allowed to post pins for them?
>First question is , can you not get the organisers to do it?
I've posted Frodsham with permission, passed url to the other club
>>Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
>>the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
>>looking for clubs in the South West ;))
>
>That should be OK - I guess
Gosh, and you are right :))
>you are using Firefox - refresh the page, as you are getting an old
>stylesheet. If that doesn't work, stick a query in the forum.
Sorry Jim, it fails still - tried to forum post -- seebelow
>However, I agree that box should close, once you move off the pin.
:)) -- more seriously I got the friendly new user email ...
"Thank you very much for registering with "the Folk Map". at
http://www.folkmap.co.uk. Your log on id is
xxxx...@cavendish.demon.co.uk You chose password yyyyyyyyyyyy. Your
confirm code is zzzzz. When you first log in you will be asked for this
confirm cod".
.. but the forum wants 'username and password' which aren't quite the
same thing. Tried 'xxxx...@cavendish.demon.co.uk' and 'yyyyyyyyyyyy'
for these but got an error. Could you 'please' email me a solution, and
perhaps consider a slightly less ambiguous interface.
Seriously nice product. I guess thanks to Google too for making the map
control methods public
Stephen Kellett
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> writes
>35 years as a programmer though, I have really only two criteria - (1) is it
>reliable? (2) is it usable ... hope the answer is Yes ...
I think you might find that those two criteria are at the top of the
list for safety critical stuff :-) Not a bad start for assessing your
progress.
Stephen
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Stephen Kellett
Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/software.html
Computer Consultancy, Software Development
Windows C++, Java, Assembler, Performance Analysis, Troubleshooting
Jim Lawton
>Marjorie Clarke wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>There are actually quite a few clubs and sessions in the area, not
>>indicated here. Perhaps the organisers will make themselves known
>>before long.
>
>Spread the word. I've just posted a pin on behalf of Frodsham FC.
>
>Fine facility and well done to Jim. There's an option to pay for a pin.
>Am I right in assuming that a simple 'stick' is free and for the good of
>mankind.
It is, and always will be - well, until I run out of cash/breath
>Frodsham don't charge. There's a donation box near the door.
>
>--oo00oo--
>
>Jim Lawton wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>The two clubs I patronise on the Mersey
>>>aren't there - am I allowed to post pins for them?
>>First question is , can you not get the organisers to do it?
>
>I've posted Frodsham with permission, passed url to the other club
>
>>>Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
>>>the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
>>>looking for clubs in the South West ;))
>>
>>That should be OK - I guess
>
> Gosh, and you are right :))
>
So you are saying it works OK
>>you are using Firefox - refresh the page, as you are getting an old
>>stylesheet. If that doesn't work, stick a query in the forum.
>
> Sorry Jim, it fails still - tried to forum post -- seebelow
>
and now it oesn't
>>However, I agree that box should close, once you move off the pin.
>
> :)) -- more seriously I got the friendly new user email ...
>
>"Thank you very much for registering with "the Folk Map". at
>http://www.folkmap.co.uk. Your log on id is
>xxxx...@cavendish.demon.co.uk You chose password yyyyyyyyyyyy. Your
>confirm code is zzzzz. When you first log in you will be asked for this
>confirm cod".
>
>.. but the forum wants 'username and password' which aren't quite the
>same thing. Tried 'xxxx...@cavendish.demon.co.uk' and 'yyyyyyyyyyyy'
>for these but got an error. Could you 'please' email me a solution, and
>perhaps consider a slightly less ambiguous interface.
What? :-)
The forum is separate from the map. The usernames etc are unrelated. You need to
register with the forum separately - it's third-party software.
Email me and we'll sort this all out off group :-
mailto:sup...@folkmap.co.uk
Chris Rockcliffe
>>>>> just to add, could be this
>>>>> http://www.folkmap.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42
>>>> Luckily my Firefox works - had a look at your link and couldn't find
>>>> "Tools -> Options -> naughty" in my version.
>>> Bizarre - it's the "bad word" substitution facility in the bulletin board -
>>> currently it seems to think that "Content" is a naughty word
>> Aha - there's another word begins with "c" and ends with "nt",
>> it's OK now. And yes that other word is *still* naughty.
>
> Your system hasn't penetrated Scunthorpe, then?
>
> : How about the other 106 words in the English language which start with
> : "c" and end with "nt"?
>
> Some of those are clubs I've been to...
>
> The Complacent Folk Club
> The Corpulent Folk Club
> The Chastisement Folk Club
> The Covalent Folk Club (too tightly bonded to get any reaction out of)
> The Claimant Folk Club ("I'll have six strings on it again when my giro
> comes through")
>
> and some sound like fun...
>
> The Clairvoyant Folk Club
> The Concupiscent Folk Club
>
> I couldn't face an evening of Singing Nun songs so the Convent FC is out.
> The Consonant Folk Club is presumably somewhere in the former Yugoslavia
> amd the Covariant FC could be anywhere in the universe.
I'm sure if any of them were Convenient, I might attend.
CR
Chris Rockcliffe
I applaud Jim's efforts in principle on this and could have helped with
inputs - having recently done a survey to update accurately the sessions in
my own area. It's a good idea to have a UK list for clubs and sessions with
maps. (at least those few who have not asked for no publicity to attract the
PRS).
But until I spend large sums of money I can't access it on my 4 year old
Mac. It's difficult to be very enthusiastic about a project which excludes
me entirely. People have kindly offered advice. I have no money to waste
on upgrades and other such things I don't otherwise need.
Perhaps this is more of a computer programmer thing than a practical tool
for the general public - who don't have the latest gear. Surely, a simple
solution (and a better business solution if money is to be made from this)
using UK based OS maps would have been better and avoided ALL the
compatibility problems there seem to be at a stroke.
These UK Ordnance Survey maps are available free and the advertising is
minimal and liveable with. It's not flashy state-of-the-art, but it works
without the need for a dedicated compatibility problem forum. You could
have created a simply tiny url link for each club/session postcode -
allowing instant access to the map in one of a dozen zoom positions. I can
usually do this for any venue location in a minute or less.
Such a solution would AFAICT have guaranteed that more people would/could
use it and have had few if any problems of compatibility. It would have
worked with all Win, Mac and Linux OS and pretty much all browsers in
current use?
I make no apologies for being critical of this. I would need to upgrade my
operating system, probably needing to add more memory, and upgrade my
browser, download a number of plug-ins, probably making some of my other SW
stuff redundant and - if it still didn't work, I could always stop, make a
cup of tea, ditch my computer in the pond, and buy a new cheaper one.
I do have a PC too but it is not Internet connected (PCs are so much more
vulnerable to attack). I've been trying to configure an external ADSL
mac/pc-compatible modem, with what purports to be the correct driver for an
Win XP set-up on a PC - and it won't do that either. I've got the correct
driver and after 10 attempts I've given up. But even to get this working on
a new PC, it looks like I'd have to purchase another modem as the internal
dial-up one no longer works with my line.
I wish Jim the best with his project. Rather than be frustrated further,
I'll just have to ignore it. :>}
CR
Jon Freeman
> But until I spend large sums of money I can't access it on my 4 year old
> Mac. It's difficult to be very enthusiastic about a project which excludes
> me entirely. People have kindly offered advice. I have no money to waste
> on upgrades and other such things I don't otherwise need.
It's frustrating ~I know and while I am a believer in trying to make
things as accessible as possible, I guess you are always likely to come
up against problems with "higher tech" aspects on web sites.
I know I made a suggestion to you before about Linux but it still seems
to me to be a possible free solution and it's possible you could go dual
boot, keeping your existing mac installation as well.
I've done a bit more searching and found Ubunto which would seem to
suit. I've got the PC version on my laptop now BTW.
Why not download and burn the live ISO image from
http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/? You've nothing to lose - it's not an
installation CD, it runs from the CD itself. If you can't burn it, they
offer to send a free CD - see https://shipit.ubuntu.com/.
Jon
Jon Freeman
> Why not download and burn the live ISO image from
> http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/? You've nothing to lose - it's not an
> installation CD, it runs from the CD itself. If you can't burn it, they
> offer to send a free CD - see https://shipit.ubuntu.com/.
Just to clarify, they offer both installation and live CDs. The live CD
is the one to go for if you want to just try it out.
Chris Rockcliffe
> Jon
Thanks Jon. I'll look into this.
CR
Stephen Kellett
Rockcliffe <chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> writes
>I make no apologies for being critical of this.
The way forward is AJAX. That is what Jim is experimenting with with
this website. He has other plans, yet to be revealed. (Cut to picture of
Jim in reclining chair stroking white cat)
Comparing Jim's website with say streetmap.co.uk (a site that uses OS
Maps) - there is no comparison. Jim's website is a pleasure to look at.
>I do have a PC too but it is not Internet connected (PCs are so much more
>vulnerable to attack).
The Mac is a small target and thus not worth the financial effort of the
virus writers to attack. That does not mean the Mac is more secure. You
are relying on security through obscurity with this statement. For 2005
a recent survey showed that Linux received more attacks than PCs (sorry
can't remember which, it got highlighted on Slashdot).
For PCs you have the wonderful (and completely free) ZoneAlarm firewall
(from ZoneLabs) that does an excellent job of keeping unwanted people
out of your PC. You also have AVG anti virus (also free, from Grisoft)
for removing anything that may get on your machine through other means.
The pay for versions of both these products are even better, but the
free ones work very well.
>a new PC, it looks like I'd have to purchase another modem as the internal
>dial-up one no longer works with my line.
Internal modems have been and always will be a waste of time - you can't
reset them without rebooting the machine. External ones just flip the
power switch and carry on.
Chris Rockcliffe
> In message <BFE5FEA3.783E0%chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk>, Chris
> Rockcliffe <chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> writes
>> I make no apologies for being critical of this.
>
> The way forward is AJAX. That is what Jim is experimenting with with
> this website. He has other plans, yet to be revealed. (Cut to picture of
> Jim in reclining chair stroking white cat)
>
> Comparing Jim's website with say streetmap.co.uk (a site that uses OS
> Maps) - there is no comparison. Jim's website is a pleasure to look at.
I'll take your word for that. I keep seeing new uses for this SW but the
compatibility uses apply there too. I haven't seen Jim's site yet; but
streetmap.co.uk couldn't be described as attractive - but it does work for
most of the 500 people I mail out info' to - and some of them are still
steam driven.
>> I do have a PC too but it is not Internet connected (PCs are so much more
>> vulnerable to attack).
>
> The Mac is a small target and thus not worth the financial effort of the
> virus writers to attack. That does not mean the Mac is more secure. You
> are relying on security through obscurity with this statement. For 2005
> a recent survey showed that Linux received more attacks than PCs (sorry
> can't remember which, it got highlighted on Slashdot).
Yes. But I HAVE been compromised on the Mac - but not as badly as I was with
a PC some years ago. But security through obscurity - I like that idea FWIW.
> For PCs you have the wonderful (and completely free) ZoneAlarm firewall
> (from ZoneLabs) that does an excellent job of keeping unwanted people
> out of your PC. You also have AVG anti virus (also free, from Grisoft)
> for removing anything that may get on your machine through other means.
Well I need the PC to be Internet connected for this at least. So thanks for
the heads up on firewall SW.
> The pay for versions of both these products are even better, but the
> free ones work very well.
>
>> a new PC, it looks like I'd have to purchase another modem as the internal
>> dial-up one no longer works with my line.
>
> Internal modems have been and always will be a waste of time - you can't
> reset them without rebooting the machine. External ones just flip the
> power switch and carry on.
What I meant was an external one for the PC with Win XP.
ADSL modems probably come in internal versions - didn't even think of that.
I like to monitor the traffic/activity at any one time and can instantly
physically disconnect the telecom. The ADSL modem I have SHOULD now work
with the correct driver - but I admit to not being good with these things at
all.
Thanks for your help.
CR
Tony Quinn
>Stephen Kellett8/1/06 9:12 AM
>
>> In message <BFE5FEA3.783E0%chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk>, Chris
>> Rockcliffe <chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> I make no apologies for being critical of this.
>>> vulnerable to attack).
>>
>> The Mac is a small target and thus not worth the financial effort of the
>> virus writers to attack. That does not mean the Mac is more secure. You
>> are relying on security through obscurity with this statement. For 2005
>> a recent survey showed that Linux received more attacks than PCs (sorry
>> can't remember which, it got highlighted on Slashdot).
>
A survey carried out by Microsoft themselves no less - do you trust them
to be honest?
--
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TQ - The Voice Of insanity
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Jim Ellison
[snip]
> >
> > Internal modems have been and always will be a waste of time - you can't
> > reset them without rebooting the machine. External ones just flip the
> > power switch and carry on.
>
> What I meant was an external one for the PC with Win XP.
>
> ADSL modems probably come in internal versions - didn't even think of that.
> I like to monitor the traffic/activity at any one time and can instantly
> physically disconnect the telecom. The ADSL modem I have SHOULD now work
> with the correct driver - but I admit to not being good with these things at
> all.
Chris
I run Macs and PCs on Demon ADSL without any need for drivers. If you
want we can take it to email and I'll do my best to help.
jim(AT)the-ellisonsDOTinfo
--
Cheers, Jim
Jim Lawton
wrote:
>
>The way forward is AJAX. That is what Jim is experimenting with with
>this website. He has other plans, yet to be revealed. (Cut to picture of
>Jim in reclining chair stroking white cat)
>
Nearly :-)
http://www.jimlawton.info/jimlawton/images/smudge_window.jpg
Oh, and I suppose I should say that if you use the non-Google interface you can
see the map point for an event on a streetmap image.
Incidentally, the hits on the Google interface in the past two days are 272, and
on the non-Google 14, it will be interesting to see what the ratio is in a few
months' time.
Cheers Jim
--
a Yorkshire polymoth
Dominic Cronin
<sn...@objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <BFE5FEA3.783E0%chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk>, Chris
>Rockcliffe <chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> writes
>>I make no apologies for being critical of this.
>
>The way forward is AJAX. That is what Jim is experimenting with with
>this website. He has other plans, yet to be revealed. (Cut to picture of
>Jim in reclining chair stroking white cat)
>
The whole point about AJAX is that it isn't a new technology per se,
but that there's quite a buzz around the buzzword. The entirely
crucial point about the whole thing is that it hinges on the
assumption that javascript has "arrived".
The whole AJAX hype is basically saying that it's OK to use javascript
to make more responsive and interesting web pages. What it *shouldn't*
be saying, is that it is OK, and A Good Thing to cut adrift all those
people with antique or otherwise crippled browsers.
Not only has javascript finally arrived, but so have the design
techniques that allow for what is known as "graceful degradation". In
other words, if your browser doesn't support javascript, then the site
should still be functional. It takes extra work, but it's worth doing.
On an experimental site, it may be perfectly reasonable to leave
graceful degradation until later (although it's easier to do if you
design for it from the start). Presumably, the "other plans" will
include this.
--
Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam
Chris Ryall
>
>The whole point about AJAX is that it isn't a new technology per se,
>but that there's quite a buzz around the buzzword. The entirely crucial
>point about the whole thing is that it hinges on the assumption that
>javascript has "arrived".
>
>The whole AJAX hype is basically saying that it's OK to use javascript
>to make more responsive and interesting web pages. What it *shouldn't*
>be saying, is that it is OK, and A Good Thing to cut adrift all those
>people with antique or otherwise crippled browsers.
Its not possible to do anything dynamic on a web page without some form
of minimal scripting. With Java you can do fantastic things. Javascript
at last allows you to react a bit to the user. With both disabled -
well, you've got static pages 'as pasted' unless your publisher has set
up a run scheme on the server. Not that I have a problem with that,
but they won't sparkle I'm afraid, and things like the wonderful folk
map just won't work. Up to you. Javascript has been developed and stable
for about 5 years now.
Richard Watkinson
Chris Ryall <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
Not true - it depends on the platform you use and the browser.
If you assume that everyone is bewitched by Gates, Mickeysoft and
Windross then, yes, you are correct JS is relatively stable.
However there is other life out there and although it is still
clinging on by the fingernails it is good - by god it is good.
RISCOS 4.39
--
Richard Watkinson
Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival
http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/
Join the RSPB today
Richard Robinson
>
> However there is other life out there and although it is still
> clinging on by the fingernails it is good - by god it is good.
"Graceful degradation" is a fun phrase.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Julian Flood
"Richard Watkinson" wrote
> RISCOS 4.39
Respect!
JF
Chris Ryall
>Not true - it depends on the platform you use and the browser.
>
>If you assume that everyone is bewitched by Gates, Mickeysoft and
>Windross then, yes, you are correct JS is relatively stable.
>
>However there is other life out there and although it is still clinging
>on by the fingernails it is good - by god it is good.
>
>RISCOS 4.39
The whole concept behind standards for things like scripts (and XML,
style sheets whatever) is that 'documents' will be platform independent
across the Web. I try to code to w3c standards. I don't give too much
for whatever MS emit - in fact proprietary MS tags, DOM methods and
interpretations etcetera of such things have been a big nuisance.
Whereas if I code something in Vbasic I am indeed at miscrosoft's mercy.
Paul Burke
>
> the Covariant FC could be anywhere in the universe.
Talking of which, how did the boat trip go?
Stephen Kellett
<to...@sixpints.demon.co.uk> writes
>A survey carried out by Microsoft themselves no less - do you trust
>them to be honest?
Actually I was referring to a more recent one not funded by Microsoft.
On this particular topic, yes I do trust them to be honest (security is
one of their current hot topics, they have some good books on the
subject) - they would get hosed otherwise. The people that do the
surveys have terms and conditions that state the survey can only be
published if the results are not tampered with. Typically they allow you
to suppress a bad report if you want to but you can't tart up a report
to look better than it is. There was a nice interview with one of these
companies published last year - it is not good business for them to take
money for producing bad reports. Mind you, you can do a lot with
carefully phrased questions.
Linux is being used more and more - it is becoming a viable target
especially as it gains share in the server market.
Pete Young
> and some sound like fun...
>
> The Clairvoyant Folk Club
Unfortunately it's been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.
Ithenkyow!
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"Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life"
Jack Campin - bogus address
The engine caught fire about two miles after we started out
so we left the thing tied up where it stopped and came back
home. It would have helped if the owner had bothered to
put some oil in the gearbox or provided a usable pole to move
it without power.
I don't know of a song that fits, but B. Traven's "The Death
Ship" kinda describes the boat.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
Chris Rockcliffe
> Paul Burke <pa...@scazon.com> wrote:
>> Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>> the Covariant FC could be anywhere in the universe.
>> Talking of which, how did the boat trip go?
>
> The engine caught fire about two miles after we started out
> so we left the thing tied up where it stopped and came back
> home. It would have helped if the owner had bothered to
> put some oil in the gearbox or provided a usable pole to move
> it without power.
>
> I don't know of a song that fits, but B. Traven's "The Death
> Ship" kinda describes the boat.
Oh dear... :-( Folk on a boat to fucked-up in a boat, and in less time than
it takes to sing Ship Ahoy. Well look on the bright side; at least you
didn't hit an iceberg. Sorry to hear about that Jack. I hope you didn't
lose too much money on it either.
If you're still interested in narrow boats (ducking just in case...)...
There's quite a lot of narrow-boat connected folk music in the English
midlands area and boat/music festivals large and smaller.
I know nothing in detail about this - I hasten to add - but maybe that would
be a better bet for connecting such a holiday and music if the timing was
right. I suspect it is all happening in summer time though. I'm sure a
search would reveal loads of stuff.
CR
Paul Burke
>
> Oh dear... :-( Folk on a boat to fucked-up in a boat, and in less time than
> it takes to sing Ship Ahoy.
Not on a narrow boat, two miles is enough time to sing famous Flower of
Serving Men.
Paul Burke
Paul Burke
> The engine caught fire about two miles after we started out
> so we left the thing tied up where it stopped and came back
> home. It would have helped if the owner had bothered to
> put some oil in the gearbox or provided a usable pole to move
> it without power.
>
Oh bugger, what a disappointment. And 2 miles is just too far to have to
lug all your stuff back to the car (I bet it was nowhere near a bridge).
We were stranded for 2 days at Norbury Junction on the Shroppie last
year when the starter motor failed (it's difficult to bump-start a
narrowboat). And of course, it was the one time we were in a hurry,
because the last family in the group had cried off the following week,
which meant WE had to get it the right side of a lock that was being
taken apart.
No pole on the boat is a bit odd- even experienced boaters get stuck
sometimes!
Paul Burke
Topic Webo
Chris Rockcliffe wrote:
> But until I spend large sums of money I can't access it on my 4 year old
> Mac. It's difficult to be very enthusiastic about a project which excludes
> me entirely. People have kindly offered advice. I have no money to waste
> on upgrades and other such things I don't otherwise need.
> I make no apologies for being critical of this. I would need to upgrade my
> operating system, probably needing to add more memory, and upgrade my
> browser, download a number of plug-ins, probably making some of my other SW
> stuff redundant and - if it still didn't work, I could always stop, make a
> cup of tea, ditch my computer in the pond, and buy a new cheaper one.
A 4-year old Mac should be upgradeable to OS X.
(OS X 10.3 Panther is available via ebay for ?£30 or so, and these are
likely to be legitimate: from people selling off Panther OS software
they bought standalone for an older machine they have now ditched on
upgrading to a new Mac with OS X 10.4 Tiger bundled, for example.)
A browser like Firefox is free.
And you shouldn't need to upgrade your other software: OS X Panther
allows you to run OS9 and earlier software under Classic mode, or you
can also boot up in OS9. When I start up my machine Panther and Classic
(OS9) both start up together; I use OS X Panther and can zip straight
over to running something under Classic.
I can run Word 5.1 (1993) Bryce 2 (1996), Fireworks 1 (1998) ,
Dreamweaver 1 (1998), Freehand 8 (1998) (some of these free from
computer magazine cover CDs, incidentally) and Photoshop 6 under
Classic; and iTunes 6, QuickTime 7, Final Cut Pro 4.5, Bryce 5 and
Photoshop 7, for instance, under OS X.
Not absolutely everything runs under Classic, though... you might have
to boot up in OS9.
I have a friend who, on his 5-year (maybe more) old G3 desktop Mac has
OS 8.6, 9.1, 9.2 and OS X 10.1 installed.
I don't know if you need to upgrade your memory, though.
--
Nick
Jim Lawton
If you remembered all that without referring to some bit of paper, you clearly
don't need to upgrade yours ;-)
Chris Rockcliffe
LOL :>)
CR
Chris Rockcliffe
Nick thanks for the detailed info'. Very useful. On this whole area, I
profess huge ignorance of Mac developments. But you've given me some ideas
here and if I was confident that I wasn't going to screw anything up, (I
often manage it)... I'd find 30 quid for some old-new SW like Panther as you
suggest.
When I got this computer it was nearly new and part of a personal business
debt repayment. I was using a PC mostly. At that time 9.2 was still
seriously more stable than system X. Things have moved on hugely since then
for Macs.
Thanks again.
CR
Topic Webo
Chris Rockcliffe wrote:
>
> Nick thanks for the detailed info'. Very useful. On this whole area, I
> profess huge ignorance of Mac developments. But you've given me some ideas
> here and if I was confident that I wasn't going to screw anything up, (I
> often manage it)... I'd find 30 quid for some old-new SW like Panther as you
> suggest.
My pleasure. I am not an expert either and it does help if you know a
fellow Mac user nearby who has more experience than you do, or with
whom you can talk things through or even get to help you install stuff
- as I have with my mate Mark. He helped me when I first changed the
hard drive on my laptop, for instance - a procedure we did when we got
back from the pub one night, which probably isn't recommended... it
worked, too.
Of course, I can't guarantee the price of Panther on ebay but I got
mine for about £40 that way and that was before OSX 10.4 (Tiger) came
out. (Best of all is if any Mac mate you know can sell/give it to you
because he has moved on to Tiger.)
The solution I suggest (getting OSX but still running your old software
under Classic) won't last forever... New Macs are moving on to Intel
chips in future and the support of Classic and OS9 will, I gather,
disappear. But your machine (and second hand current machines) will
still work, of course.
--
Nick
Jack Campin - bogus address
>> 4 year old Mac. It's difficult to be very enthusiastic about
>> a project which excludes me entirely.
> is available via ebay for ?£30 or so
Panther won't work. Jim is piggybacking off Google Earth, which
requires Tiger at three times the price. I'm not forking out for
the upgrade, nothing else I do needs it.
Zooming in on a map works just fine in pure HTML 3.2 using imagemaps.
No need for any client-side scripting at all.
Chris Rockcliffe
> Chris Rockcliffe wrote:
Must be the canal-abridged version?
CR
Jim Lawton
<bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> But until I spend large sums of money I can't access it on my
>>> 4 year old Mac. It's difficult to be very enthusiastic about
>>> a project which excludes me entirely.
>> A 4-year old Mac should be upgradeable to OS X. (OS X 10.3 Panther
>> is available via ebay for ?£30 or so
>
>Panther won't work. Jim is piggybacking off Google Earth, which
>requires Tiger at three times the price. I'm not forking out for
>the upgrade, nothing else I do needs it.
Sorry that's not right - it's Google Maps not Google Earth.
quote from earlier discussion in this NG
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.music.folk/msg/97bc4dabf2f56402?hl=en&
================================
> > >Someone else worried that Google Maps did not work on Macs (or
> > >non-Windows machines). I have a Mac and it works; maybe what they're
> > >thinking of is Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/) which is not
> > >(yet) for Macs.
> > Which operating system / browser are you using, please can you tell us?
> A bit more detail now - looking deeper, not everything works after all:
> Operating system is Panther (OSX 10.3.9)
> The browser that works fine is Firefox 1.0.4.
It's fine with me too on OSX 10.4.3
======================================
>
>Zooming in on a map works just fine in pure HTML 3.2 using imagemaps.
>No need for any client-side scripting at all.
>
>============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
>Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
><http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
>stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
--
a Yorkshire polymoth
linedancercarter
Just become a new member and added Eastbourne Folk Dance Club,
Eastbourne, east Sussex to the map together with our website on:-
http://ebnefolkdanceclub.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
Brian Carter
Molly Mockford
<dancer...@wisa.org.uk> wrote in
<1136910218.1...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>Just become a new member and added Eastbourne Folk Dance Club,
>Eastbourne, east Sussex to the map together with our website on:-
>
>http://ebnefolkdanceclub.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
You don't say! (I think we've all got the message by now - I've counted
five announcements of your club's website...)
--
Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)
Topic Webo
Jim Lawton wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:03:04 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> A 4-year old Mac should be upgradeable to OS X. (OS X 10.3 Panther
> >> is available via ebay for ?£30 or so
> >
> >Panther won't work. Jim is piggybacking off Google Earth, which
> >requires Tiger at three times the price. I'm not forking out for
> >the upgrade, nothing else I do needs it.
>
> Sorry that's not right - it's Google Maps not Google Earth.
>
> quote from earlier discussion in this NG
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.music.folk/msg/97bc4dabf2f56402?hl=en&
> ================================
> > > >Someone else worried that Google Maps did not work on Macs (or
> > > >non-Windows machines). I have a Mac and it works; maybe what they're
> > > >thinking of is Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/) which is not
> > > >(yet) for Macs.
Yes. Google Earth is still not configured for Macs of any stripe,
including, afaik, Tiger (though Google say they are working on it).
Google Earth apparently lets you fly around in something like 3D.
Google Maps is a different and more straightforward animal and works
fine with Panther (and, I think, the earlier roaring cats of the OS X
felinerie).
--
Nick Waller
Topic Webo
Stephen Kellett
Webo <top...@aol.com> writes
>Yes. Google Earth is still not configured for Macs of any stripe,
Ahem,
Google Earth in a Mac world (PC too)
1/10/2006 12:49:00 PM
Posted by Chikai Ohazama, Google Earth Team
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/google-earth-in-mac-world-pc-too.h
tml
linedancercarter
Sorry.
I cannot remember how many different websites, yahoo groups, google
groups I've put Eastbourne Folk Dance Club and SussexLineDance on so
far but it must be 20 or more.
So you've still got many more to find.
Brian
Chris Ryall
But once is enough! Personally I live up North and am a little offended
having parochial Eastbourne events force fed to me. If one is a regular
contributor to a group an accepted tactic is to put an advert in your
sigfile (see mine below). But unless you are a complete Usenet junkie -
doing this to 20+ groups is almost certainly simple spam. At some point
a feeling of shame should normally set in. cc uk.m.f
Dominic Cronin
wrote:
>Dominic Cronin wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>
>>The whole point about AJAX is that it isn't a new technology per se,
>>but that there's quite a buzz around the buzzword. The entirely crucial
>>point about the whole thing is that it hinges on the assumption that
>>javascript has "arrived".
>>
>>The whole AJAX hype is basically saying that it's OK to use javascript
>>to make more responsive and interesting web pages. What it *shouldn't*
>>be saying, is that it is OK, and A Good Thing to cut adrift all those
>>people with antique or otherwise crippled browsers.
>
>Its not possible to do anything dynamic on a web page without some form
>of minimal scripting. With Java you can do fantastic things. Javascript
>at last allows you to react a bit to the user. With both disabled -
>well, you've got static pages 'as pasted' unless your publisher has set
>up a run scheme on the server. Not that I have a problem with that,
>but they won't sparkle I'm afraid, and things like the wonderful folk
>map just won't work. Up to you. Javascript has been developed and stable
>for about 5 years now.
It's not about the capabilities of javascript; when I say it has
"arrived", I'm saying that all mainstream browsers now support it, and
most people can be expected to have one.
I fully agree that if you want dynamic features you pretty much need
javascript. Even so, the world wide web is primarily about delivering
pages of information to people.
Graceful degradation works like this:
1) You make a web site that works fine if you just have HTML
2) You add some CSS so that people whose browsers support it can have
a more visually pleasing experience.
3) You add some javascript to make life even better for those who have
javascript too. (e.g. menus that move etc.)
It's not quite as simple as that. For it all to work well, you need to
design the thing as a whole, but those are the principles.
Now sure, you can do some things with ajax that take the browser more
into the realms of an application platform than a device for rendering
html pages, but these guidelines still hold for 99% of web sites. If
you don't support people without javascript, then it's a shame. In
many places it's illegal too, as you are denying access to the
disabled.
Of course, if your application is targetted at a narrower group, then
all of this may be less appropriate.
--
Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam
Jim Lawton
All I would say about this is that since Google Maps relies on a stonking 132Kb
of .js it would have been fairly pointless my trying to avoid it. In fact I did
write an application earlier this year which did everything by XSL
transformation on the server, and did round trips for all its validation. It was
truly loathsome.
Given the free availability of Firefox, people are not excluded from websites
using JavaaScript except by their own choice. For those without broadband, who
won't want rafts of map tiles flooding their lines I have provided a mapless
interface.
It is my intention to make the data available in an entirely static form
primarily for the visually impaired. This will come within the next couple of
weeks.
--
Jim
a Yorkshire polymoth
Molly Mockford
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in
<t3pas1dtr36iunrid...@4ax.com>:
>Given the free availability of Firefox, people are not excluded from websites
>using JavaaScript except by their own choice.
Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards. I have set up my
own personal home firewall to block JS by default, and I then proceed to
enable it for sites I trust.
Chris Ryall
>Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
>most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
>JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards.
Mine doesn't! (an NHS Trust). I can run JS and activeX (and our techs
are paranoid). Though the whole idea of JS was that it couldn't do harm.
Molly Mockford
in <VI3BtUbR0YxDFw91@[127.0.0.1]>:
>Molly Mockford wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
>>most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
>>JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards.
>
>Mine doesn't! (an NHS Trust). I can run JS and activeX (and our techs
>are paranoid). Though the whole idea of JS was that it couldn't do harm.
No, that's Java, which is (oddly enough) blocked by a lot of firewalls,
even though it is incapable of writing to the local machine; Javascript
can write to the Windows registry, easy as winking. Every site that you
see which has links for "Add this site to my favourites" or "Make this
site my home page" uses JS for that; less reputable sites will make
themselves your home page without asking; and really malicious sites
will put all kinds of stuff in the registry.
linedancercarter
Sorry my entries not appreciated.
I do not need this hassle so I will withdraw from group as I do not
need this agro.
Brian
Jim Lawton
<nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>At 22:56:17 on Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Chris Ryall <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>in <VI3BtUbR0YxDFw91@[127.0.0.1]>:
>
>>Molly Mockford wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>>Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
>>>most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
>>>JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards.
>>
>>Mine doesn't! (an NHS Trust). I can run JS and activeX (and our techs
>>are paranoid). Though the whole idea of JS was that it couldn't do harm.
>
>No, that's Java, which is (oddly enough) blocked by a lot of firewalls,
>even though it is incapable of writing to the local machine; Javascript
>can write to the Windows registry, easy as winking. Every site that you
>see which has links for "Add this site to my favourites" or "Make this
>site my home page" uses JS for that; less reputable sites will make
>themselves your home page without asking; and really malicious sites
>will put all kinds of stuff in the registry.
I use a registry monitoring tool (Spybot) at the moment which tells me if the
registry is being changed. I have to say that in two years or more, it has only
ever reported legal changes.
My experience, in going to people's houses to sort out their PCs is that there
is one dangerous common factor :-
No teenage children : machine in resonable state.
Teenage children : machine completely full of malware, spyware and lurking
viruses.
So my advice is, letting the kids on your machine is a far bigger risk than
anything else you might be worrying about :-)
(Actually the most common entry point for viruses seems to be emails)
J
Jim Lawton
wrote:
Hey, so far as I can see, you've not been posting here above a couple of weeks.
I can't see many posts as "linedancer", don't know if you've made any others.
You've got to get used to the personalities here - some are sharper / grumpier /
jollier / some tell it like it is, some tell it the way they see it.
Don't take your bat home, think about what Molly and Chris are saying to you.
The FAQ says that you shouldn't advertise single events more than once a
fortnight (IIRC) - and as Chris points out your danceclub is of local, not
national interest.
So the message is, don't overdo it. If your info is of real interest, it will
generate loads of posts, so you achieve high profile that way. If not, well
don't poke the sleeping tiger (that's Chris) and take his advice and stick your
club link in your sig.
Molly Mockford
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in
<huubs1dom08so8hff...@4ax.com>:
>On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:17:38 +0000, Molly Mockford
><nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>At 22:56:17 on Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Chris Ryall <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>>in <VI3BtUbR0YxDFw91@[127.0.0.1]>:
>>
>>>Molly Mockford wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>>>Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
>>>>most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
>>>>JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards.
>>>
>>>Mine doesn't! (an NHS Trust). I can run JS and activeX (and our techs
>>>are paranoid). Though the whole idea of JS was that it couldn't do harm.
>>
>>No, that's Java, which is (oddly enough) blocked by a lot of firewalls,
>>even though it is incapable of writing to the local machine; Javascript
>>can write to the Windows registry, easy as winking.
>
>So my advice is, letting the kids on your machine is a far bigger risk than
>anything else you might be worrying about :-)
I'm not worried - my systems are safe and secure :-)
It's the corporate firewalls which often tend towards an attitude of
close everything down and only open up tiny cracks through which the
browser can peek!
Molly Mockford
<use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in
<ljvbs1hb0tvurucg1...@4ax.com>:
>Hey, so far as I can see, you've not been posting here above a couple
>of weeks.
>I can't see many posts as "linedancer", don't know if you've made any others.
One factual and informative post, followed by five (four of them all
around the same time, each one slightly differently worded, presumably
with an eye on the BI spam calculations) advertising the club's web
site.
Topic Webo
Stephen Kellett wrote:
> In message <1136973317....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Topic
> Webo <top...@aol.com> writes
> >Yes. Google Earth is still not configured for Macs of any stripe,
>
> Ahem,
>
> Google Earth in a Mac world (PC too)
>
> 1/10/2006 12:49:00 PM
> Posted by Chikai Ohazama, Google Earth Team
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/google-earth-in-mac-world-pc-too.h
> tml
Ha. Typical. I looked up Google Earth on my Mac only a few days ago and
it still wasn't configured for Macs with no hint it would be coming any
time soon so I thought I was safe asserting it hadn't happened yet!
Should have checked on a daily basis! Good news that it is now
available.
For the next few days I'm in Bradford and away from my Mac so I can't
check it out... I'll be at the Topic tonight, taking pics at the new
venue (the Cock and Bottle) for the website. (Though I do the website I
live about 200 miles away from the place).
Barry Smith and Westport on tonight - the first proper gig in the new
venue (last week was singers and musicians).
--
Nick Waller
www.topic-folk-club.org.uk
linedancercarter
I think the reason that five entries came about was that I was unused
to how the mail took and it did not seem to be taking it on my computer
so I tried again.
As far as I am aware, I thought I had deleted the duplicate entries
once I realized my mistake.
Brian
Stephen Kellett
Topic Webo <top...@aol.com> writes
>Ha. Typical. I looked up Google Earth on my Mac only a few days ago and
You were very unlucky and I stumbled upon the announcement on Digg
probably about an hour after it went live.
:-)
linedancercarter
Sorry I took offence to your comments, and I have now reinstated myself
as a member of the group. I am told that in this group you have to get
used to forthright comments so I must develop a set of broad shoulders.
When I mentioned the numerous sites and groups I belong to, most of
these are regional to the Sussex and the South East and it is quite
normal for clubs to advertise on all of these in my area.
I gather that one should only make entries of a national interest on
this site, and in future I shall not enter any further details of my
club on this site as I now gather this is taboo on this site.
On other sites I belong to, it is normal to enter details of your club
when you join as a means of introducing oneself.
Brian
Jim Lawton
wrote:
>Hi Chris,
>
>Sorry I took offence to your comments, and I have now reinstated myself
>as a member of the group. I am told that in this group you have to get
>used to forthright comments so I must develop a set of broad shoulders.
>
>When I mentioned the numerous sites and groups I belong to, most of
>these are regional to the Sussex and the South East and it is quite
>normal for clubs to advertise on all of these in my area.
>
>I gather that one should only make entries of a national interest on
>this site, and in future I shall not enter any further details of my
>club on this site as I now gather this is taboo on this site.
>
No - it's fine to advertise local stuff, just don't overdo it ...
This is from the Charter -
"Advertising.
Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
Performers, specialist companies, instrument makers, small independent labels
etc may post details of events, tours, folk club listings, WWW sites dedicated
to folk/roots music, specialist music outlets, festivals, musical instruments
and other services where these are relevant to the group.
The subject line of such posts should begin "ANNOUNCE: ". Such announcements may
be reposted at weekly intervals but should not exceed a total of 3 postings for
any individual enterprise."
So if your event hasn't changed, you'd probably leave it for two or three months
before you mentioned its existence again. What people do is post when something
changes - so if they want to report that there's a new programme of events, or
there's a change in venue and so on.
>On other sites I belong to, it is normal to enter details of your club
>when you join as a means of introducing oneself.
It was the mulitple posts which ruffled feathers - like a stranger rushing into
your living room and shouting at you. Take it easy - we'll get on fine :-)
Marjorie Clarke
"Jim Lawton" <use...@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in message
news:5vics1tdah8s4mrue...@4ax.com...
Just to endorse and expand on what Jim says:
I think one of the key ways to avoid causing irritation is to make your
purpose clear in the header of your post - using ANNOUNCE is good, but it's
even better if you also mention the location of your club or event. It
really annoys some people to have to open and read the whole post only to
discover that the event is 200 miles from where they live.
--
Best wishes,
Marjorie
Molly Mockford
<dancer...@wisa.org.uk> wrote in
<1137063539....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
You would probably find it easier if you didn't use the horrible
GoogleGroups interface, but used regular newsreading software instead.
This would also make it easier for you to quote a bit of the text to
which you are replying, which provides context for your reply.
Jim Lawton
<nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>At 02:58:59 on Thu, 12 Jan 2006, linedancercarter
><dancer...@wisa.org.uk> wrote in
><1137063539....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>I think the reason that five entries came about was that I was unused
>>to how the mail took and it did not seem to be taking it on my computer
>>so I tried again.
>>
>>As far as I am aware, I thought I had deleted the duplicate entries
>>once I realized my mistake.
>
>You would probably find it easier if you didn't use the horrible
>GoogleGroups interface, but used regular newsreading software instead.
>This would also make it easier for you to quote a bit of the text to
>which you are replying, which provides context for your reply.
Well, it's not actually that horrible, if the user knows to reply by clicking
"show options" next to the previous poster's name.
Then if you click "reply" - lo and behold - you get the previous text quted like
a normal news client.
anahata
> I think the reason that five entries came about was that I was unused
> to how the mail took and it did not seem to be taking it on my computer
> so I tried again.
This is usenet, not a mail list or web based bulletin board. When it
started years ago, postings used to take weeks to appear, and I remember
when they used to take days. Now it's down to hours or minutes.
Another feature of modern usenet is that deleting (cancelling postings)
usually doesn't work, for boring reasons associated with historical
abuse of the facility.
Nobody objects to your adverts as such, it was the five-in-a-row that
was getting up people's noses.
--
Anahata
ana...@treewind.co.uk -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk
Home: 01638 720444 Mob: 07976 263827
Topic Webo
Molly Mockford wrote:
> You would probably find it easier if you didn't use the horrible
> GoogleGroups interface, but used regular newsreading software instead.
> This would also make it easier for you to quote a bit of the text to
> which you are replying, which provides context for your reply.
I use Google Groups and the thing to do is avoid clicking on the most
obvious REPLY link below the post you're reading. Instead click on SHOW
OPTIONS at the top, and then click on the _different_ REPLY link
there, which does default to quoting the original post, and which it is
easy enough to snip and quote to your heart's content.
--
Nick
Topic Webo
Dominic Cronin
Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking. I fully appreciate the issues;
as I say, if if's targetted at a narrower group then this can be
perfectly appropriate.
>Given the free availability of Firefox, people are not excluded from websites
>using JavaaScript except by their own choice. For those without broadband, who
>won't want rafts of map tiles flooding their lines I have provided a mapless
>interface.
Well - it still depends. Lots of organisations are paranoid enough to
disable javascript; including where I'm currently working. Of course,
people can always visit the site from home.
Of course, it is in the nature of some sites that they rely totally on
the availability of javascript and a modern browser. (And if you rely
on Google maps, then I guess this means you.) Even so, most
mainstream applications of "ajax" should still degrade gracefully.
>
>It is my intention to make the data available in an entirely static form
>primarily for the visually impaired. This will come within the next couple of
>weeks.
Glad to hear it. Like I say - I don' t want you to think I'm knocking
it. It's a great initiative.
--
Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam
Dominic Cronin
<nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>At 22:56:17 on Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Chris Ryall <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>in <VI3BtUbR0YxDFw91@[127.0.0.1]>:
>
>>Molly Mockford wrote on "www.folkmap.co.uk"
>>>Apart from those who access the web from work in their lunch-hours -
>>>most corporate firewalls block Javascript, because it is easy to write
>>>JS exploits which will do nasties to a PC's innards.
>>
>>Mine doesn't! (an NHS Trust). I can run JS and activeX (and our techs
>>are paranoid). Though the whole idea of JS was that it couldn't do harm.
>
>No, that's Java, which is (oddly enough) blocked by a lot of firewalls,
>even though it is incapable of writing to the local machine; Javascript
>can write to the Windows registry, easy as winking. Every site that you
>see which has links for "Add this site to my favourites" or "Make this
>site my home page" uses JS for that; less reputable sites will make
>themselves your home page without asking; and really malicious sites
>will put all kinds of stuff in the registry.
Actually I don't think javascript running in the browser can write to
the registry. Javascript running in the Windows scripting host
certainly could, but that's a different discussion.
--
Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam
Molly Mockford
<dom...@ReplaceThisBitWithMySurname.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
<323gs15qbiqd2jjbo...@4ax.com>:
I'm not quite with you, Dominic. Javascript is how the "Add site to
favourites" or "Make this my homepage" things work - they write to the
registry. (I've had to clear down various registry keys for people who
have contracted nasties from web sites, without clicking on anything.)
Stephen Kellett
<dom...@ReplaceThisBitWithMySurname.co.uk.invalid> writes
>on Google maps, then I guess this means you.) Even so, most
>mainstream applications of "ajax" should still degrade gracefully.
I've yet to see an AJAX application that can degrade gracefully - the
lack of page transitions means any change to using page transitions
would not be a graceful change in behaviour - let alone the work the
site maintainers would have keeping an two AJAX and page-refetch model
implementations in step with each other.
Jim Lawton
wrote:
>In message <md0gs1pd365v9qbqm...@4ax.com>, Dominic Cronin
><dom...@ReplaceThisBitWithMySurname.co.uk.invalid> writes
>>on Google maps, then I guess this means you.) Even so, most
>>mainstream applications of "ajax" should still degrade gracefully.
>
>I've yet to see an AJAX application that can degrade gracefully - the
>lack of page transitions means any change to using page transitions
>would not be a graceful change in behaviour - let alone the work the
>site maintainers would have keeping an two AJAX and page-refetch model
>implementations in step with each other.
>
Yup - and I'm sorry to say that not a single application which I have written
since 1970 will run on that Babbage Differential Engine - though I'm sure it
would in Ada Lovelace's head, given half a chance - sometimes the only direction
avaliable is forward.
Actually and hyper-cunningly getting back on topic, shouldn't there be a folk
song about Ada Lovelace? Or is there? The rhyme Babbage and cabbage surely has a
place ...
Maybe not :-)
Dominic Cronin
<sn...@objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <md0gs1pd365v9qbqm...@4ax.com>, Dominic Cronin
><dom...@ReplaceThisBitWithMySurname.co.uk.invalid> writes
>>on Google maps, then I guess this means you.) Even so, most
>>mainstream applications of "ajax" should still degrade gracefully.
>
>I've yet to see an AJAX application that can degrade gracefully - the
>lack of page transitions means any change to using page transitions
>would not be a graceful change in behaviour - let alone the work the
>site maintainers would have keeping an two AJAX and page-refetch model
>implementations in step with each other.
>
>Stephen
Google suggest still functions as a search engine. Fair enough, you
lose some functionality, but the basic features still work. If your're
talking about ajax as a means to deliver web-based applications, then
indeed, it would be challenging. On the other hand, there's plenty
being done with ajax to simply enhance the user experience on normal
web pages. In this case, graceful degradation is quite possible and
desirible.
For the huge majority of web sites, it is still important not to cut
adrift those without javascript. Sure - they don't get the bells and
whistles, but that's fine too.
--
Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam
Tony Day
"Chris Ryall" <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:ygLInzQYqivDFwq0@[127.0.0.1]...
> Also clicking any balloon brings up a note that covers the lower half of
> the map - I then can't get rid of it (firefox/java). Good job I'm not
> looking for clubs in the South West ;))
And if you were, you'd mostly be sadly out of luck! I've put ours on, but I
don't think some of the others are on the electric yet....
Tony
Tony Day
news:bogus-5207CC....@news.news.demon.net...
> Paul Burke <pa...@scazon.com> wrote:
>> Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>> the Covariant FC could be anywhere in the universe.
>> Talking of which, how did the boat trip go?
>
> The engine caught fire about two miles after we started out
> so we left the thing tied up where it stopped and came back
> home. It would have helped if the owner had bothered to
> put some oil in the gearbox or provided a usable pole to move
> it without power.
>
> I don't know of a song that fits, but B. Traven's "The Death
> Ship" kinda describes the boat.
Back in 199? the Bournemouth Voice Tour took a boat trip from Poole to
Wareham - but ran aground half way up a river that might well have been
called Piddle, on an ebbing tide. By the time we reconvened in the evening
two (rather good) songs had been written about the event.
Much fine ale at the time - and many intervening years - fogs the memory a
bit, but I'm fairly sure Jon Heslop wrote one of 'em. Johnny Collins was
aboard, was he responsible for the other, or was it organiser Martin
Jardine?
Tony of the diminishing brain cell
Stephen Kellett
<dom...@ReplaceThisBitWithMySurname.co.uk.invalid> writes
>indeed, it would be challenging. On the other hand, there's plenty
>being done with ajax to simply enhance the user experience on normal
If you replace "ajax" with "javascript" I will agree with you. Fancy
menus can easily degrade, but just using javascript on your page does
not qualify your page to be an AJAX application.
Richard Robinson
> song about Ada Lovelace? Or is there? The rhyme Babbage and cabbage surely has a
> place ...
In ABC, of course, these are not just the words, they're the tune as well.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Jim Lawton
wrote:
>Jim Lawton said:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:24:26 +0000, Stephen Kellett <sn...@objmedia.demon.co.uk>
>>
>> Actually and hyper-cunningly getting back on topic, shouldn't there be a folk
>> song about Ada Lovelace? Or is there? The rhyme Babbage and cabbage surely has a
>> place ...
>
>In ABC, of course, these are not just the words, they're the tune as well.
Ada Babbage Cabbage? My goodness I'll make a note of that.
Richard Robinson
>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:24:26 +0000, Stephen Kellett <sn...@objmedia.demon.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Actually and hyper-cunningly getting back on topic, shouldn't there be a folk
>>> song about Ada Lovelace? Or is there? The rhyme Babbage and cabbage surely has a
>>> place ...
>>
>>In ABC, of course, these are not just the words, they're the tune as well.
>
> Ada Babbage Cabbage? My goodness I'll make a note of that.
We played around with this on a mailing list, <mumble> years
ago; "Ada fed Gabe a bad cabbage" is as much as I can remember.
(The trick is to format it up so as to make musical sense while keping the
readability, of course. I thought I had an example somewhere in my archives,
but can't find it, and can't be bothered to think about it just now).
Also "Dave fed Deb dead cabbage", using the 'v' bowing mark; I think it must
have been before the introduction of assignable letters for ornaments, or it
would be Too Easy.
Stephen Kellett
>concept of security by osbcurity when referring to his use of a Mac.
I think you should read this, you may want to reassess the value of that
point of view - and your security as a Mac user.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4609968.stm
Chris Ryall
>I use Google Groups and the thing to do is avoid clicking on the most
>obvious REPLY link below the post you're reading. Instead click on SHOW
>OPTIONS at the top, and then click on the _different_ REPLY link
>there, which does default to quoting the original post, and which it is
>easy enough to snip and quote to your heart's content.
Has anyone reported this anomalyy (bug?) to Google. They do seem to
listen eg when I (and 1000000 others) pointed out that their variable
fonts screwed formatting in board game groups they fixed it quite
quickly
--
Chris Ryall Wirral UK <cjr...@my.domain>
Happy and prosperous New Year t'y'all
Chris Rockcliffe
>> In some posting on this thread Chris Rockliffe wrote that he liked the
>> concept of security by obscurity when referring to his use of a Mac.
>
> I think you should read this, you may want to reassess the value of that
> point of view - and your security as a Mac user.
Hi Stephen, Firstly I'm no computer expert... and this discussion came
about because of Jim Lawton's folkmap idea and its implementation. (Why the
EFDSS isn't doing this session info job better (at least for relevant
sessions) is beyond me).
The information in the folkmap needs to be checked every 6 months at least
with inputs initialled and dated. It is a labour of love - whatever the
computer systems methods of display and delivery.
The current chopping and changing around is due to Licensing Bill changes.
The hope is that more pubs will have more sessions to replace those that we
have lost. 3 new ones have started up nearby recently.
I have been doing just that verifying for about 100 sessions within
travelling distance of here - but within the same geographical area there
are probably a few dozen more not included. It is not comprehensive and each
time I get confirmation it goes next to the entry with a date.
This info gathering will come largely from people who can be arsed to do it
rather than a leader in every pub.
I cannot personally access the www.folkmap.co.uk (via my Mac), nor can I use
the latest technology running OS 9.2. That is my problem. I should have it
on my PC soon. I hope to get to see www.folkmap.co.uk on a PC at some stage
once I get the modem/router problem solved.
Classic Mac O/S is no longer supported by browsers plug-ins and systems
geared to Win and Unix based Mac. OS 9.2.2 was the last OS Mac issued 2002?
before switching entirely to O/S X or O/S 10xx as it actually is. A Unix
based system.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4609968.stm
Thanks for posting Stephen, but I'm not sure I've read a computer related
article that actually had so little to say - where's the meat; where's the
punchline?
Quote: *Mac users demonstrate an indefensible smugness when it comes to the
dangers of having their systems compromised by malicious software and opened
up to exploitation by others*.
It's not smugness, it's just a fact. The smugness (if it ever existed) is
no longer applicable to Unix OS. It is a smugness if it exists which is a
bit out of date and misplaced because AFAICT and from what I've read
elsewhere, the new Mac OS is Unix based and a lot more prone to attack than
the old classic Mac system.
The new Mac system may offer a great deal more and actually BE the future -
which Apple needs to survive and grow, but in this one regard at least - it
was safer.
Quote" *It would certainly be wonderful if the Macintosh computer and its
operating system were immune to attack but this is just wishful thinking.
Mac OS is certainly a lot better than Windows, but being better isn't nearly
enough*.
Hold up... Let's be accurate. System X (10) is better than Windows against
attack; but the older system OS 9 is/was miles better in that regard than
either System 10 or Windows.
Quote: *Mac O/S may not have the gaping holes that let viruses spread, but
worms, spyware and even keyloggers are out there*.
Yes everyone knows that. Not so much the O/S, but other software certainly
via the Internet. Older I.E. versions for instance, are vulnerable via the
Internet if not properly configured and secured. Netscape is only
marginally better. However the old O/S was more secure.
Quote: *They can't spread as easily, and most would only be installed by a
careless user clicking "Accept" on a dodgy install dialog, but the regular
stream of security fixes from Apple's software update service makes it clear
that there are real dangers*.
True and there are more security risks from the Unix platform. But our
journalist here isn't saying that exactly...
Quote: *After all, Mac O/S is built on top of the Unix operating system and
it, like its close relative Linux, has many well-known security problems
that can allow it to be compromised*.
Ah.... So now some tacit acknowledgement of where the smugness applies or
not and why... Mac used to be very secure by comparison and now with the new
Mac O/S is a lot less so. Hmmm?
Quote: *Windows gets most attention from virus writers*
No one can argue with that.
Quote: *Any Mac user who believes they are totally safe is being reckless
with their files and personal information. What's worse, they are also being
reckless with mine*.
Journalistic wind up paranoia backed up by the fact that Mac shares Unix
based viruses following its move from a unique system to a platform used by
millions of major businesses - the prime target of viruses.
Quote: *One reason why there aren't many malicious Mac programs is that
there are fewer Mac users out there, but the fact that some have been
written shows that they are possible in principle.
Hmmm... More so now with Unix though. But the journalist doesn't want to
say this... no guesses as to why.
Quote: *If the millions of internet-connected Macs are left open to attack
then this increases the chance that an effective Trojan or piece of spyware
will reach critical mass and spread rapidly, and it also increases the
incentive for a bright programmer to write Mac-specific malware that could
affect me*.
The word scare mongering comes to mind, but again he is right - the chances
are greater now with Unix. The mindset of immunity existed in file sharing
between Mac based businesses - but no longer really applies to the majority.
Quote: *Although the risk of a malicious Mac program spreading as quickly as
any Windows one is very low, it should not be ruled out. After all, the very
first internet worm, back in 1988, affected Unix systems with a security
model very similar to Mac O/S*.
FWIW... That's why I can actually feel more secure with O/S 9.2. I don't
feel smug, just a bit safer having suffered 3 such virus attacks which shut
down my PC. And until I upgrade my Mac it will likely remain so.
But getting back OT. It's not just Mac accessibility problems with this
folkmap. The main problem I see with www.folkmap.co.uk is its use as a
practical tool. Who is the information aimed at? Who will view and use the
information in any practical sense?
Its use of state of the art tech - means that it is probably not going to be
accessible for a good long while to so many of the musicians who would
benefit from seeking out sessions. Musicians who lets face it - haven't got
the latest knobs and whistles - and probably can't afford or be arsed to get
them anyway.
I e-mail out to about 500 people regularly and I get feedback on whether my
messages are working or annoying. I now post in HTML and use a little
simple colour (dark text light background) rather than plaintext to try and
make the info' more interesting and readable. I also post in plaintext like
I used to for those that ask for it. It will likely look different on every
screen.
If I try to deviate any further from that basic simplicity in e-mail, I run
into big problems with the various technologies old and new - and browser
configurations.
You're right. Security by obscurity applies - and applies even more now.
Probably not for long though...
I understand that System X (10) and the switch to Unix based technology has
been a vast improvement and offers Apple greater compatibility and system
integrity for the longer term computer future and world where there is a
need for greater economy of scale and system compatibility.
A more truthful headline to this article might have read... *Apple Mac Unix
O/S 10xx more prone to attack than O/S 9.2*; OR how about, *Mac user virus
apathy dies with Unix based Macs !*
The security by obscurity which Macs once enjoyed is historical and has
gone. The smugness which some Mac owners may have once exhibited with their
Windows counterparts, went partly with their old unique system. Pity this
journalist avoided that factual historical O/S issue in a public BBC forum.
Thanks for posting it anyway.
CR
Chris Ryall
>Just to endorse and expand on what Jim says:
>I think one of the key ways to avoid causing irritation is to make your
>purpose clear in the header of your post - using ANNOUNCE is good, but
>it's even better if you also mention the location of your club or
>event. It really annoys some people to have to open and read the whole
>post only to discover that the event is 200 miles from where they live.
May I please use this opportunity to ask that some of the habitual
'Announce club night - Martin Carthy' etc posters on this group take
this advice and mention that it's actually Land's End folk club -- er
*in the header* !
Chris Ryall
>In ABC, of course, these are not just the words, they're the tune as
>well.
Well spotted! I'm reminded of Simon Jeffes' "Cage Dead", but this one is
almost better.
Chris Ryall
>I gather that one should only make entries of a national interest on
>this site, and in future I shall not enter any further details of my
>club on this site as I now gather this is taboo on this site.
Not taboo at all so long at the pudding isn't over egged. Watch what
others do. Or try the sigfile ruse (1-4 lines is 'netiquette').
Here's one I use sparingly to keep up the profile of my
bridge (cards) site, elsewhere. Its first showing here!
If say your club run say a Saturday night special, a single post with eg
title:'ANN: Line dance Eastbourne 31 Sept' is very welcome. I did drive
to Eastbourne once for a concert (1994 :)) and have even played cards
there (1975)
--
Chris The Weak Two Archive: An eclectic collection of styles
Ryall from across the World. Defence, and continuation guides
(UK) http://www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/weak.two/
Stephen Kellett
Rockcliffe <chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> writes
>article that actually had so little to say - where's the meat; where's the
>punchline?
Quite simply. You think you are safe. You are not.
Sorry Chris, but leaving your doors unlocked is not a defence.
>But getting back OT. It's not just Mac accessibility problems with this
>folkmap. The main problem I see with www.folkmap.co.uk is its use as a
>practical tool. Who is the information aimed at? Who will view and use the
>information in any practical sense?
>
>Its use of state of the art tech - means that it is probably not going to be
>accessible for a good long while to so many of the musicians who would
State of the art, come on Chris, this stuff is 5 years old, its only
recently that it has got a lot of press because there are enough people
using it. Browsers that support it are free and one of them is open
source. If it isn't on your platform someone will port it, or you can -
and yes the compilers
for Firefox are also open source and freely available.
An unofficial Mac x86 Firefox port is already in progress, only days
after the launch of the new x86 Macs.
5 years in computer-land is a very long time.
In the 5 years from 1988 to 1993 Microsoft Windows went from a joke
(Windows 2.0) to a roaring success (Windows 3.1) and then went onto
unprecedented success with Windows 95.
In 1990 very few people knew about the internet. In 1995 more people
knew internet (the web bit). In 2000 lots of people knew about the
internet and had their own accounts and many had shares in the companies
forming the boom. The changes are radical for such short time frames.
You are using a legacy OS and complaining that someone should support
you when in fact, the correct commercial decision (as it is a commercial
decision - it costs Jim money to provide this service) is to ignore your
platform or provide a restricted service for that platform.
>You're right. Security by obscurity applies - and applies even more now.
If you talk to any computer security expert you will find that you are
misinformed on this issue. It applies less now than ever before -
exactly the opposite of what you believe.
If you think I am having a go at you or your position, you are wrong. I
am trying to get you to take your personal security more seriously.
Tony Franks
"for instances":
1. I live a long way from my Mum, and when I visit her for a few days I
stay over in the guest room of her sheltered housing scheme. Mum is an
early to bed type, and I'd like to know where in the Cromer - Norwich -
King's Lynn triangle I can go to a folk club/session/sing-around.
(nothing on the map yet, but I'm hoping it's just a matter of time.)
2. I take some time off to go to a Festival, and I decide that on the
way there/back I want to travel at a leisurely pace and spend a few
evenings in a variety of folk clubs, sessions, or sing-arounds.
3. I'm a folkie and a long distance delivery driver - need I say more .
. . ?
Chris Rockcliffe wrote:
<snip>
> But getting back OT. It's not just Mac accessibility problems with this
> folkmap. The main problem I see with www.folkmap.co.uk is its use as a
> practical tool. Who is the information aimed at? Who will view and use the
> information in any practical sense?
<snip>