Should I buy it?
?
Seems to be a bargin!
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
Or am I confused?
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Brilliant, and brilliant comment pages.
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Ron
You will notice that after viewing that article, customers usually by
the 21 cent HDMI cable instead...
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-meter-foot-cable-1080P/dp/B0002L5R78/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0
Alex Selby
A true bargain for an ethernet cable! Not only can it transfer 0s and 1s
but 2s as well!!!
Of course you'll need to get a decent speaker cable as well, such as
this one
http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2
Phil Stovell
The used one seems better value.
Phil Stovell
And to ensure the continuing fidelity of your listening experience, don't
forget your LP-CD-Cable Demagnetizer, bargain value.
http://www.audiobasics.com/acatalog/LP-CD-Cable_Demagnetizer_-_110VAC.html
The Natural Philosopher
I thought it was a complete spoof, but, think again
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp
They actually sell a cable for 500 bucks!
bof
Stovell <ph...@stovell.nospam.org.uk> writes
I'm thinking of selling the homeopathic demagnetising fluid I use, it's
brilliant, to make it I demagnetise some water, then dilute it down and
put it in bottles then wipe it wipe over the hi-fi equipment, CDs and
vinyl (it even works on DATs) the improvement in sound quality is
absolutely fucking amazing. Around 30C to 50C dilution seems to be
optimum.
I was thinking maybe �500 to �1000 for a 25ml bottle.
--
bof at bof dot me dot uk
Esra Sdrawkcab
Blast! I bought my ethernet cable in poundland at a ripoff um one pound
--
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Skipweasel
from Alex Selby <alex....@REMOVE.pobox.com> contains these words:
> A true bargain for an ethernet cable! Not only can it transfer 0s and 1s
> but 2s as well!!!
But mine goes up to 11.
--
Skipweasel
Not to be sniffed at.
Skipweasel
www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Whole-Milk-Gallon-128/dp/B00032G1S0/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
Particularly since it had an option of Used on the referring page.
Steve
That's 'cos it has been "burned in".
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
"?" <?@?.?> wrote:
>
> Seems to be a bargin!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
To think that the same company is responsible for this as for my
excellent and reasonably cheap (it cost me about 100 EZUs) DL-110
cartridge.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see
You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
Esra Sdrawkcab
I like that these are mere Basics - I wonder how much a decent hifi might
cost?
Adrian C
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:04 +0000 (UTC)
> "?" <?@?.?> wrote:
>
>> Seems to be a bargin!
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
>
> To think that the same company is responsible for this as for my
> excellent and reasonably cheap (it cost me about 100 EZUs) DL-110
> cartridge.
>
Agreed. Kind of trashes the brand, doesn't it!
FWIW (and some entertainment) I'll get a tech journalist friend of mine
to make an approach to their PR ...
--
Adrian C
tony sayer
<r...@spamall.com> scribeth thus
Have a look at "Russ Andrews" if you want to see some -real- pricey
cables;!...
check out the price of a "2 metre silver signature power cord"
--
Tony Sayer
Duncan Wood
> In article <jqa4i5tqap5jt55t4...@4ax.com>, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹
> <r...@spamall.com> scribeth thus
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:04 +0000 (UTC), "?" <?@?.?> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seems to be a bargin!
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
>>>
>>> Or am I confused?
>>
>> Brilliant, and brilliant comment pages.
>>
>>
>
> Have a look at "Russ Andrews" if you want to see some -real- pricey
> cables;!...
>
> http://www.russandrews.com/
>
> check out the price of a "2 metre silver signature power cord"
>
>
>
Sadly such people have moved on from cables
http://www.webcitation.org/5l74dFZBl
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/the_doghouse_ad.html
--
Duncan Wood
Adrian C
>
> Have a look at "Russ Andrews" if you want to see some -real- pricey
> cables;!...
>
> http://www.russandrews.com/
>
> check out the price of a "2 metre silver signature power cord"
>
If one day, I find that some overpaid public serpents (sod single cell
'celebraties') have been foolish enough* to wave their tax payers funded
credit card in that shyster's direction, and this is quack shysterism
way beyond merely supplying for the enjoyment of rare and expensive
things that at least have a function, then I'll (like others no doubt)
do the utmost to suggest that these idiots are rapidly withdrawn from
office, suitably humiliated and placed somewhere there is weeping and
grinding of teeth.
* - and I suspect some have
Hang on, there's someone at the door ...
--
Adrian C
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <jqa4i5tqap5jt55t4...@4ax.com>, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹
> <r...@spamall.com> scribeth thus
> >On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:04 +0000 (UTC), "?" <?@?.?> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Seems to be a bargin!
> >>
> >>http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
> >>
> >>Or am I confused?
> >
> >Brilliant, and brilliant comment pages.
> >
> >
>
> Have a look at "Russ Andrews" if you want to see some -real- pricey
> cables;!...
>
> http://www.russandrews.com/
>
> check out the price of a "2 metre silver signature power cord"
And for the next upgrade contact your local elictricity supplier
about the cost of having a dedicated cable to your hifi direct from the
substation made from Kimber's hyper-pure silver cable.
Naich
> I'm thinking of selling the homeopathic demagnetising fluid I use, it's
> brilliant, to make it I demagnetise some water, then dilute it down and put
> it in bottles then wipe it wipe over the hi-fi equipment, CDs and vinyl (it
> even works on DATs) the improvement in sound quality is absolutely fucking
> amazing. Around 30C to 50C dilution seems to be optimum.
>
> I was thinking maybe £500 to £1000 for a 25ml bottle.
Sir, I suspect you are a charlatan. Homeopathy works by taking the
BADness of the thing that you don't want and diluting it. It does not
work, as you suggest here, by diluting the goodness of the thing that you
DO want. That would just be silly. If you can't even get your basic
homeopathy techniques right, I fail to see how your product could be
anything more than a placebo.
Naich.
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http://asshol.es ..... Stupidity in pictures
http://sodwork.com ... A waste of time
Motto: Don't you just hate rhetorical questions?
Theo Markettos
> One of the related items is odd...
>
> www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Whole-Milk-Gallon-128/dp/B00032G1S0/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
And that has a "Customers Who Bought Related Items Also Bought" of:
"How to Live with a Huge Penis: Advice, Meditations..."
I'm not sure what they're trying to tell us...
(apart from that Amazon's relationship graph is really odd)
Theo
Alex Selby
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, bof wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of selling the homeopathic demagnetising fluid I use,
>> it's brilliant, to make it I demagnetise some water, then dilute it
>> down and put it in bottles then wipe it wipe over the hi-fi equipment,
>> CDs and vinyl (it even works on DATs) the improvement in sound quality
>> is absolutely fucking amazing. Around 30C to 50C dilution seems to be
>> optimum.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe �500 to �1000 for a 25ml bottle.
>
> Sir, I suspect you are a charlatan. Homeopathy works by taking the
> BADness of the thing that you don't want and diluting it. It does not
> work, as you suggest here, by diluting the goodness of the thing that
> you DO want. That would just be silly. If you can't even get your
> basic homeopathy techniques right, I fail to see how your product could
> be anything more than a placebo.
>
> Naich.
Ah, but you see, a 50C dilution is a 25C dilution of a 25C dilution. The
first 25C dilution will, by homeopathic principles, make an antidote to
demagnetised water and the next 25C will make an antidote to an antidote
to demagnetised water, which should be a demagnetiser!
(I remember once asking a homeopathist why a dilution, which is a
dilution of a dilution shouldn't make an antidote to an antidote, but he
told me not to be silly.)
Cwatters
"?" <?@?.?> wrote in message news:3bpv4p....@news.alt.net...
Yes but you would also need to upgrade your speaker cables. Any manufacturer
will do as long as they mention "dielectric" in their adverts. For example..
http://www.avland.co.uk/audioquest/volcano/volcano.htm
A bargin at �436 a meter plus �190 to put connectors on the end.
or DIY your own cables by twisting some coat hangers together...
http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger
"after 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the
coat hanger wire,"
Marcus Houlden
>
> Seems to be a bargin!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
>
> Or am I confused?
Certainly worth writing home about, and here's something to use:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crystal-Ballpoint-Medium-Point-Black/dp/B000JTOYLS/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Be sure to read the comments from previous buyers before committing
yourself.
mh.
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http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk
From address is a blackhole. Reply-to address is valid.
Adrian C
> Skipweasel <skipw...@homeinthe.shed> wrote:
>> One of the related items is odd...
>>>
> "How to Live with a Huge Penis: Advice, Meditations..."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594743061/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk
(NSFW)
yes, I found that link in one of the reviews.
Amazon has a marketing feature on their book titles of "click to LOOK
INSIDE!", where hovering over with the mouse shows a popup with choices,
- Front Cover
- Table of Contents
- First Pages
- Back Cover
- Surprise Me!
Given the context of the book, 'Surprise Me!'. Yes, well, let's not go
THERE....
Big hint: Do not do these kind of Amazon NSFW investigations while you
are logged in to their site. They record it all, and suggest other NSFW
alternatives next time ye log in. Bloody embarassing it is, if the next
time you are doing that someone else is looking on your screen. :-|
--
Adrian C
Alex Selby
You _could_ get one of those cheapo crappy �600 cables if you were the
kind of person who didn't care at all about sound quality. If, on the
other hand, you had any taste at all you'd be in the market for
something more like this
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72793
at $11,700.
bof
<alex....@REMOVE.pobox.com> writes
>Naich wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, bof wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of selling the homeopathic demagnetising fluid I use,
>>>it's brilliant, to make it I demagnetise some water, then dilute it
>>>down and put it in bottles then wipe it wipe over the hi-fi
>>>equipment, CDs and vinyl (it even works on DATs) the improvement in
>>>sound quality is absolutely fucking amazing. Around 30C to 50C
>>>dilution seems to be optimum.
>>>
>>> I was thinking maybe �500 to �1000 for a 25ml bottle.
>> Sir, I suspect you are a charlatan. Homeopathy works by taking the
>>BADness of the thing that you don't want and diluting it. It does not
>>work, as you suggest here, by diluting the goodness of the thing that
>>you DO want. That would just be silly. If you can't even get your
>>basic homeopathy techniques right, I fail to see how your product
>>could be anything more than a placebo.
>> Naich.
>
>Ah, but you see, a 50C dilution is a 25C dilution of a 25C dilution. The
>first 25C dilution will, by homeopathic principles, make an antidote to
>demagnetised water and the next 25C will make an antidote to an antidote
>to demagnetised water, which should be a demagnetiser!
I need a marketing chap(ess) for the product, looking for a job?
bof
<alex....@REMOVE.pobox.com> writes
To quote
"What goes in is what comes out"
crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
they cost a bit.
bof
<d...@mrao.cam.ac.uk> writes
>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, bof wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of selling the homeopathic demagnetising fluid I use,
>>it's brilliant, to make it I demagnetise some water, then dilute it
>>down and put it in bottles then wipe it wipe over the hi-fi
>>equipment, CDs and vinyl (it even works on DATs) the improvement in
>>sound quality is absolutely fucking amazing. Around 30C to 50C
>>dilution seems to be optimum.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe �500 to �1000 for a 25ml bottle.
>
>Sir, I suspect you are a charlatan. Homeopathy works by taking the
>BADness of the thing that you don't want and diluting it. It does not
>work, as you suggest here, by diluting the goodness of the thing that
>you DO want. That would just be silly. If you can't even get your
>basic homeopathy techniques right, I fail to see how your product could
>be anything more than a placebo.
That maybe the case for things like gout and herpes, but
magneto-homeopathy is quite a different kettle of fish.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <QEUKT1RO...@hotmail.com>:
>>You _could_ get one of those cheapo crappy �600 cables if you were the
>>kind of person who didn't care at all about sound quality. If, on the
>>other hand, you had any taste at all you'd be in the market for
>>something more like this
>>http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72793
>>at $11,700.
> To quote
> "What goes in is what comes out"
> crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
> they cost a bit.
Cost of the cryogenics is a bit daunting though, especially if
you don't have a helium recovery system.
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Skipweasel
from "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> contains these words:
> > crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
> > they cost a bit.
> Cost of the cryogenics is a bit daunting though, especially if
> you don't have a helium recovery system.
So /that/'s what's going on at the LHC - it's a really posh HiFi.
Steve Firth
> To quote
> "What goes in is what comes out"
>
> crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
> they cost a bit.
I think you will find that what went in was bullshit.
Jon Green
> One of the related items is odd...
>
> www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Whole-Milk-Gallon-128/dp/B00032G1S0/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
>
> Particularly since it had an option of Used on the referring page.
And on to the reviews of the Tuscan Milk...I quote this one wholesale,
lest it disappear into the aethyr. Oh hell, you'll understand in a
moment...
Make this your only stock and store, July 8, 2008
By Edgar (Baltimore)
Once upon a mid-day sunny, while I savored Nuts 'N Honey,
With my Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 gal, 128 fl. oz., I swore
As I went on with my lapping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at the icebox door.
'Bad condensor, that,' I muttered, 'vibrating the icebox door -
Only this, and nothing more.'
Not to sound like a complainer, but, in an inept half-gainer,
I provoked my bowl to tip and spill its contents on the floor.
Stupefied, I came to muddle over that increasing puddle,
Burgeoning deluge of that which I at present do adore -
Snowy Tuscan wholesomeness exclusively produced offshore -
Purg'ed here for evermore.
And the pool so white and silky, filled me with a sense of milky
Ardor of the type fantastic of a loss not known before,
So that now, to still the throbbing of my heart, while gently sobbing,
I retreated, heading straightway for the tempting icebox door -
Heedless of that pitter-patter tapping at the icebox door -
I resolved to have some more.
Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
'This,' said I, 'requires an extra dram of milk, my favorite pour.'
To the icebox I aspired, motivated to admire
How its avocado pigment complemented my decor.
Then I grasped its woodgrain handle - here I opened wide the door; -
Darkness there, and nothing more.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams of Tuscans I had known before
But the light inside was broken, and the darkness gave no token,
And the only words there spoken were my whispered words, 'No more!'
Coke and beer, some ketchup I set eyes on, and an apple core -
Merely this and nothing more.
Back toward the table turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
'Surely,' said I, 'surely that is something at my window lattice;
Let me see then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore -
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; -
'Tis the wind and nothing more!'
From the window came a stirring, then, with an incessant purring,
Inside stepped a kitten; mannerlessly did she me ignore.
Not the least obeisance made she; not a minute stopped or stayed she;
But, with mien of lord or lady, withdrew to my dining floor -
Pounced upon the pool of Tuscan spreading o'er my dining floor -
Licked, and lapped, and supped some more.
Then this tiny cat beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grand enthusiasm of the countenance she wore,
Toward the mess she showed no pity, 'til I said, 'Well, hello, kitty!'
Sought she me with pretty eyes that seemed to open some rapport.
So I pleaded, 'Tell me, tell me what it is that you implore!'
Quoth the kitten, 'Get some more.'
--
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with 'green-lines'.
bof
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
That'll explain it, infinite bullshit technology, no wonder it costs.
Richard Robinson
How do you know that what you think is "a dilution" isn't really 22 smaller
dilutions ?
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Richard Robinson
The world's biggest loudspeaker magnet.
There's another one orbiting alpha centauri ?
I know there's not much atmosphere out there between the 2. That's why
they've got to be so big, see ?
Skipweasel
from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
> > So /that/'s what's going on at the LHC - it's a really posh HiFi.
> The world's biggest loudspeaker magnet.
Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
the size of the Alps.
Richard Robinson
> The message <gcmdnQrik4SmIb_W...@brightview.co.uk>
> from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
>
>> > So /that/'s what's going on at the LHC - it's a really posh HiFi.
>
>> The world's biggest loudspeaker magnet.
>
> Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
> the size of the Alps.
With a sodding big Flake sticking out of the top.
Cwatters
"Alex Selby" <alex....@REMOVE.pobox.com> wrote in message
news:hftuon$6vj$1...@aioe.org...
> You _could_ get one of those cheapo crappy �600 cables if you were the
> kind of person who didn't care at all about sound quality. If, on the
> other hand, you had any taste at all you'd be in the market for
> something more like this
>
> http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72793
>
> at $11,700.
or perhaps these for $33,000 a pair...
They appear to be suggesting it matters if your cables vibrate a bit.
"To keep resonance from obscuring the nuances of the music signal as it
travels through the cable and network, a large mass of epoxy damping
material encapsulates the Opus MM network, which is then encased with carbon
fiber. The network pod sits upon a thick acrylic plinth supported by four
adjustable feet, to insure stable 4-point contact and decouple the network
from room borne resonance."
Sunny Bard
> A true bargain for an ethernet cable! Not only can it transfer 0s and 1s
> but 2s as well!!!
That wouldn't be good enough if you want to use it for gigabit ethernet,
which needs to transfer -2 and -1 as well as 0, 1 and 2.
Theo Markettos
> or DIY your own cables by twisting some coat hangers together...
>
> http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger
>
> "after 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the
> coat hanger wire,"
And in case you have no coat hangers as you're incarcerated at Her Majesty's
Pleasure, barbed wire will do just fine too:
http://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/edn/SoGoodBarbedWire.htm
Theo
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
"Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:22 +0000, bof <nothi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in <QEUKT1RO...@hotmail.com>:
> > In message <hftuon$6vj$1...@aioe.org>, Alex Selby
> ><alex....@REMOVE.pobox.com> writes
>
> >>You _could_ get one of those cheapo crappy £600 cables if you were the
> >>kind of person who didn't care at all about sound quality. If, on the
> >>other hand, you had any taste at all you'd be in the market for
> >>something more like this
>
> >>http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72793
>
> >>at $11,700.
>
> > To quote
> > "What goes in is what comes out"
>
> > crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
> > they cost a bit.
>
> Cost of the cryogenics is a bit daunting though, especially if
> you don't have a helium recovery system.
What's wrong with the high temperature superconductors that run at
nice toasty liquid nitrogen temperatures ?
Fleetie
> What's wrong with the high temperature superconductors that run at
> nice toasty liquid nitrogen temperatures ?
>
They are brittle and crumbly and powdery - unless something more ductile
has been developed recently.
Martin
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <20091211223407....@eircom.net>:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:00:39 +0000 (UTC)
> "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:22 +0000, bof <nothi...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote in <QEUKT1RO...@hotmail.com>:
>> > To quote
>> > "What goes in is what comes out"
>> > crikey, they're super conducting, infinite bandwidth cables, no wonder
>> > they cost a bit.
>> Cost of the cryogenics is a bit daunting though, especially if
>> you don't have a helium recovery system.
> What's wrong with the high temperature superconductors that run at
> nice toasty liquid nitrogen temperatures ?
Apart from anything else, they're ceramic, therefore stiff and
brittle. Admittedly LN2 is much cheaper than LHe -- we used to say LN2
was as cheap as milk, though that's probably not true today. I don't
recall the exact figure for LHe, I _think_ the last number I heard was
�6/litre -- we buy in 50 l twice a year to refill our 4-tesla
superconducting solenoid, and top it up once a week with some 40 or 50 l
of LN2. Letting the nitrogen boil to atmosphere is no bad thing, but
given the scarcity of helium I cringe a bit at not recovering even 100 l/year.
At PSI just my magnet was burning through 30 l/day, so the total lab was
probably recovering 500 l/day or so (there were usually 4 or 5x100 l dewars
on the delivery line at any one time); LHC + experiments must be getting
on for 20,000 l/day at a rough estimate.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
<colin.wat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com>
wrote in <mqKdnbS2qrlgSr_W...@brightview.co.uk>:
> "To keep resonance from obscuring the nuances of the music signal as it
> travels through the cable and network, a large mass of epoxy damping
> material encapsulates the Opus MM network, which is then encased with carbon
> fiber. The network pod sits upon a thick acrylic plinth supported by four
> adjustable feet, to insure stable 4-point contact and decouple the network
> from room borne resonance."
Resonances are bad, as one particle physics experiment found out
a little while back. They were triggering their detectors at a constant
rate, and started having relatively large failure rates. Investigation
finally showed that the associated bursts of currents through the
bonding wires to the detectors were prompting the wires to bend in the
magnetic field (used to determine particle momentum, the curvature of
the path being inversely proportional to p). The frequency of the pulses
turned out to be close to the resonant frequency of the wires, so the forces
were bolstered until the spot-welded joints broke.
Dead Mangled Pigeon
Jules
They'll probably sell you a dark matter version and claim it'll handle -1
and -2 (and probably -0 too ;)
bobharvey
> Resonances are bad, as one particle physics experiment found out
> a little while back. They were triggering their detectors at a constant
> rate, and started having relatively large failure rates. Investigation
> finally showed that the associated bursts of currents through the
> bonding wires to the detectors were prompting the wires to bend in the
> magnetic field (used to determine particle momentum, the curvature of
> the path being inversely proportional to p). The frequency of the pulses
> turned out to be close to the resonant frequency of the wires, so the forces
> were bolstered until the spot-welded joints broke.
That's curious. I had exactly the same experience with a 24MW motor
in India where the pigtails came off the end of the windings. The
pulsation frequency of the PWM was resonating the windings. The motor
was destroyed, mind, 12KV arcs tend to do that. But the next one was
fine with the pulsation frequency lowered by 25%. (job protection: it
was before my current job, nothing to do with $MEGACORP)
Rusty Hinge
>
> I like that these are mere Basics - I wonder how much a decent hifi
> might cost?
Depends if you are prepared to loo around for a bit for good secondhand
stuff. My amp (Ferograph 60+60) cost a fiver, likewise its matching FM
tuner.
A SME 2009 S2 will set you back about ￜ60, and a decent pickup from a
tenner upwards.
I acquired a Garrard 401 f.o.c., but one of those goes from between
ￜ80-ￜ120 usually.
You can make excellent cables yourself for peanuts if you can use a
soldering iron.
CAVEAT - if you are using a lead-based solder, always scrape off any
gold plating where the solder goes - or at least enough to be sure of a
metal-metal bond somewhere, with no gold intervening.
You will need to take advice on CD players - most use the same drives
until you get into four figures (mine cost ￜ1,600 about five or six
years ago) - but you can pick up decent ones for around a hundred squids.
For speaker cables, if you don't mind the look, 30 aamp cooker mains
cable takes a lot of beating. I use zox copper, silver plated, which
allows for very thin cables. Cheap enough, and as good as any I've
experienced.
Speakers can be picked-up for peanuts - I bought (tatty-looking) pair
of Leak Sandwich Speakers for ￜ60. However, people throw them away when
granddad dies...
Find someone who *REALLY* nows about speakers before you buy - however
good your system is, it is only as good as your speakers. Crap speakers,
crap system, even if it sets you back a hundred grand, you can't make it
sound any better than your speakers can turn out.
So, a reasonable system can be little more than the cost of your
speakers and a good CD player. Everything else can be upgraded a bit at
a time within the capabilities of those speakers.
Amps just amplify. If they do that without distortion, they are good,
and can be piced up for a tenner upwards.
Nuff?
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> Phil Stovell wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:04 +0000, ? wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to be a bargin!
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
>>>
>>
>> The used one seems better value.
>
> I thought it was a complete spoof, but, think again
>
> http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp
>
> They actually sell a cable for 500 bucks!
There's a cable you can buy for over a grand a metre...
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
Ooooh! Must rush out and get some!
--
Rusty
Alex Selby
Oh alright, you win. (There are rumours of $40,000 cables here
http://most-expensive.net/audio-cables, and $55,000 cables here
www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html, but it's not clear
they are actually on sale for those prices.)
It's funny isn't it? I knew these guys were bonkers, but I didn't
realise they were quite that bonkers. It seems that you can pay
basically any price you want. The amazing thing to me is not that
people are trying to sell them at these prices, but there are
actually people who are buying them (I'm fairly convinced of
this by reading around, though I don't think I've ever met such a
person).
By the way, I presume sir will also require a wire conditioner to
burn-in sir's wires.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#conditioner
"It breaks-in and conditions interconnects, speaker cables,
power cords, plus digital and video cables. FryBaby conditions
amps, preamps, CD players, and other A/V gear too. The self-contained,
fully portable FryBaby outputs a wideband gaussian noise source that
is amplitude modulated by a low frequency swept triangle wave, which
provides complete audio bandwidth burn. Included is an audio CD with a
recording of the FryBaby signal, used for CD players and transport
break-in." (Only $249.95).
And so it goes on...
Skipweasel
from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
> > Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
> > the size of the Alps.
> With a sodding big Flake sticking out of the top.
Crushed nuts?
Skipweasel
from August West <aug...@kororaa.com> contains these words:
> Well, they exist, but are they relevant in audio systems?
> I seriously doubt it.
I can well imagine in cheaply built systems that microphonic effects
could cause trouble - basically shaking it about a bit so it crackles
ain't good.
Skipweasel
from Rusty Hinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> contains these words:
> Depends if you are prepared to loo around for a bit for good secondhand
> stuff. My amp (Ferograph 60+60) cost a fiver, likewise its matching FM
> tuner.
I've still got my Ferrograph wow and flutter meter somewhere.
Skipweasel
from Fleetie <fle...@fleetie.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> > What's wrong with the high temperature superconductors that run at
> > nice toasty liquid nitrogen temperatures ?
> >
> They are brittle and crumbly and powdery - unless something more ductile
> has been developed recently.
And, IIRC, don't have sufficient maximum current densities for the job
in hand.
John Williamson
> Leaks have heavy cones, and tend to droop, though, and rub. Old Tannoys
> are great, as parts from the are still available from either Tannoy
> themselves, or Lockwood Audio.
>
While we're on the subject of speakers, what's the opinion on JBL
Control 1's nowadays?
They sounded almost fatiguingly accurate last time I heard a pair, but
I'm getting less keen on the laid back sound of the Denon bookshelf pair
I've got at the moment. I've got room to bury a sub somewhere useful, as
I know the bass is a touch (Okay, a lot) on the light side.
One use will be for checking location recordings for problems as a
backup to headphones. I use Beyer DT100s, which sound to me almost as if
nothing is in the way if I'm careful about matching the levels.
TIA.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
John Williamson
> The entity calling itself Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:39 -0000, Cwatters
>> <colin.wat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com>
>> wrote in <mqKdnbS2qrlgSr_W...@brightview.co.uk>:
>>
>>> "To keep resonance from obscuring the nuances of the music signal as
>>> it travels through the cable and network, a large mass of epoxy
>>> damping material encapsulates the Opus MM network, which is then
>>> encased with carbon fiber. The network pod sits upon a thick acrylic
>>> plinth supported by four adjustable feet, to insure stable 4-point
>>> contact and decouple the network from room borne resonance."
>> Resonances are bad
>
> I seriously doubt it.
>
loudspeaker cone has it's own partially damped resonance modes which
alter the sound in a characteristic way, all of which are very difficult
to compensate for electronically. Back in the days of valves, some
valves were known to have a resonant frequency which made them act as a
ringing microphone if they were triggered by a loud enough noise, say
the output of a speaker or a knock to whetever the amplifier was
standing on. To some extent, *all* valves respond to vibration by
alterations in their charcteristics.
While we're at it, *every* recording of a real sound is affected to a
greater or lesser extent by room resonances. The only reason we don't
notice them is because we are very good at compensating for them when
listening, as it's something we do all the time. The amazing thing is
that we can even recognise a voice or a particular musical instrument
when it's reproduced, under most circumstances. For fun, compare the
output from a microphone recording, say, a violin to the output from the
same microphone listening to the recording it just made, played back
through a speaker.
If you can get hold of an anechoic chamber and spend a moment or two
listening to almost any sound in it, you will notice it's uncomfortable,
as all the echos and resonances you are used to compensating for aren't
there. Instant claustrophobia, if you're at all prone.
As our corroded friend says, all this almost makes the difference
between amplifier A and amplifier B totally irrelevant, as long as
they're "Good enough". Most modern amplifiers have (mostly harmonic)
distortion on the order of parts per thousand, while the loudpspeakers
have distortion at least an order of magnitude higher, which is not
always harmonically related to the input signal, and is very rarely linear.
Oh, and "A stable four-point contact", which decouples the network from
room borne resonance?
A stable and rigid mount of any number of mounting points may help damp
vibrations in the system from airborne interference, but will increase
the coupling to structural vibrations. Coo, I just heard a tube train
going past...... (An actual problem from a London studio many years ago.
All takes had to be timed to avoid passing trains. When listening to
some records made there, you can actually hear the rumble of the trains
on modern home gear.)
Rusty Hinge
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>
>> I acquired a Garrard 401 f.o.c., but one of those goes from between
>
> That's *very* cheap for a working 401, these days. Nearer 2-300 for a
> clean one. Technics SL-1210s can be got very cheap, and are actually
> pretty good, despite what the audio snobs claim (as lomng as you make
> sure thje bearings on the arm haven't be destroyed by a brain-dead
> ham-fisted "turntablist").
Anyone wanna buy a nice clean, serviced 401? I have one to spare...
>> Speakers can be picked-up for peanuts - I bought (tatty-looking) pair
>> of Leak Sandwich Speakers for �60. However, people throw them away
>> when granddad dies...
>
> Leaks have heavy cones, and tend to droop, though, and rub. Old Tannoys
> are great, as parts from the are still available from either Tannoy
> themselves, or Lockwood Audio.
Yes, but there are Tannoys and Tannoys. You can pay king's ransom for a
nice pair of corner horns with Tannoy Silvers in, esp 15" ones.
Even Lancasters and Yorks cost an arm and a leg, and there's one (can't
remember its name) which is untouchable with anyone else's bargepole.
Wasn't it Tannoy who made a little box called 'Diamond'? That was dire
in the extreme.
We had a lad of about thirteen in the shop who *WANTED* the Diamonds in
the window. Now I believe in starting kids off on the right track, so
demonstrated them, and then demonstrated a pair of Leak Mini-Sandwiches.
Sensible boy - he went for the Leaks at half the price...
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> August West wrote:
>> Leaks have heavy cones, and tend to droop, though, and rub. Old Tannoys
>> are great, as parts from the are still available from either Tannoy
>> themselves, or Lockwood Audio.
>>
> While we're on the subject of speakers, what's the opinion on JBL
> Control 1's nowadays?
Sorry, not heard much other than my Leaks (and a pair of JR 149s) lately.
> They sounded almost fatiguingly accurate last time I heard a pair, but
> I'm getting less keen on the laid back sound of the Denon bookshelf pair
> I've got at the moment. I've got room to bury a sub somewhere useful, as
> I know the bass is a touch (Okay, a lot) on the light side.
If you want bookshelf speakers you can't do better than a pair of /puts
on unforgetting hat/ - Hell! little BBC Monitors - gone! Same drivers as
the JR 149s, though.
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
remember if I was interested or just skint...
--
Rusty
Adrian C
But that grand a meter cable is made of rare minerals found in moon rock.
Denon's 500 buck cable was found in a computer shop, and dressed up to
look audiophalic.
--
Adrian C
Rusty Hinge
> The message <56CdnTyOKpTVTr_W...@brightview.co.uk>
> from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
>
>>> Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
>>> the size of the Alps.
>
>> With a sodding big Flake sticking out of the top.
>
> Crushed nuts?
>
adequately.
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
/snip/
> Oh, and "A stable four-point contact", which decouples the network from
> room borne resonance?
>
> A stable and rigid mount of any number of mounting points may help damp
> vibrations in the system from airborne interference, but will increase
> the coupling to structural vibrations. Coo, I just heard a tube train
> going past...... (An actual problem from a London studio many years ago.
> All takes had to be timed to avoid passing trains. When listening to
> some records made there, you can actually hear the rumble of the trains
> on modern home gear.)
>
If you look on my wibble one of the first things you see is the plinth I
make for Garrard 301s and 401s.
The illustrated one is glass, but they are also available in slate or
granite - marble, if you really must...
The motor unit is carried on the top plinth, around an inch thick slab
of whatever.
This is supported via 4 Sorbothane pads, then 4 silver steel cups, 4
silver steel spikes which screw (adjust) into 4 stainlss steel blocks
which sit on Sorbothane pads.
The spikes pass through holes in the bottom plinth, which is supported
in a similar manner. The tone arm is mounted on the bottom plinth and
its mounting passes through a hole in the top plinth.
Each set of blocks sits on a sheet of float glass, and the two sheets
are separated by Sorbothane pads.
An added refinement is an optional cabinet, double-glazed or triple
glazed (for those who have more noney than sense, or who like their
volume turned to max...) with acoustic laminated glass.
There's no sign of rumble, and if the plinth is mounted on a good solid
surface, you can place the stylus on a record, turn the volume up, and
hit the base (*NOT* the glass!) with a hammer, and nothing is heard.
--
Rusty
Richard Robinson
> The message <56CdnTyOKpTVTr_W...@brightview.co.uk>
> from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
>
>> > Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
>> > the size of the Alps.
>
>> With a sodding big Flake sticking out of the top.
>
> Crushed nuts?
Keep yer thumbs out of it.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Skipweasel
from Rusty Hinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> contains these words:
> > I've still got my Ferrograph wow and flutter meter somewhere.
> >
> Oh yes, I think you tried to interest me in it in ye olden dayes - can't
> remember if I was interested or just skint...
MNAAW
John Williamson
>
> There's no sign of rumble, and if the plinth is mounted on a good solid
> surface, you can place the stylus on a record, turn the volume up, and
> hit the base (*NOT* the glass!) with a hammer, and nothing is heard.
>
mounting to take any resonances below audible frequency, combined with
damping to reduce the levels below system noise. I like it.
John Williamson
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> /puts on unforgetting hat/ - Hell! little BBC Monitors - gone! Same
>> drivers as the JR 149s, though.
>
> horribly expensive - several hundred a pair, if not a thousand plus!
> though. And they lack bass, even when used in near-field. A far far
> cheaper alternative are Royd Connistons, if you can find them.
>
I've heard of the LS3/5a's and the design is freely available on the web
if you fancy making a pair for yourself. The difficulty now is that the
specified bass driver is no longer made, the whole design was based
around it, and the replacement apparently isn't close enough in sound to
use. The crossover also has to be hand matched to the tweeter for
anything like decent, consistent results.
I may have a look and see it I can find the Royds anywhere when I'm off
work next month.
tony sayer
<aug...@kororaa.com> scribeth thus
>
>The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>
>
>That's *very* cheap for a working 401, these days. Nearer 2-300 for a
>clean one. Technics SL-1210s can be got very cheap, and are actually
>pretty good, despite what the audio snobs claim (as lomng as you make
>sure thje bearings on the arm haven't be destroyed by a brain-dead
>ham-fisted "turntablist").
>
>> when granddad dies...
>
>Leaks have heavy cones, and tend to droop, though, and rub. Old Tannoys
>are great, as parts from the are still available from either Tannoy
>themselves, or Lockwood Audio.
>
There're still around!....
http://www.lockwoodaudio.co.uk/tannoy.htm
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
o...@btinternet.com> scribeth thus
DT 100's those most coloured phones that deaf DJ's use on the radio??....
>TIA.
>
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
>> /puts on unforgetting hat/ - Hell! little BBC Monitors - gone! Same
>> drivers as the JR 149s, though.
>
>horribly expensive - several hundred a pair, if not a thousand plus!
>though.
Ummm ... they are available new for less that that!. Do bear in mind the
LS3/5A was a speaker "specification" that almost anyone could make...
http://www.stirlingbroadcast.net/
>And they lack bass,
Lack rather low bass and quantities thereof. but don't have that one
note bass so beloved by some;!..
But are extremely accurate on a lot of other materiel:)..
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
<rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> scribeth thus
>August West wrote:
>> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>>
>>> I acquired a Garrard 401 f.o.c., but one of those goes from between
>>> �80-�120 usually.
>>
>> That's *very* cheap for a working 401, these days. Nearer 2-300 for a
>> clean one. Technics SL-1210s can be got very cheap, and are actually
>> pretty good, despite what the audio snobs claim (as lomng as you make
>> sure thje bearings on the arm haven't be destroyed by a brain-dead
>> ham-fisted "turntablist").
>
>Anyone wanna buy a nice clean, serviced 401? I have one to spare...
>
>>> Speakers can be picked-up for peanuts - I bought (tatty-looking) pair
>>> of Leak Sandwich Speakers for �60. However, people throw them away
>>> when granddad dies...
>>
>> Leaks have heavy cones, and tend to droop, though, and rub. Old Tannoys
>> are great, as parts from the are still available from either Tannoy
>> themselves, or Lockwood Audio.
>
>Yes, but there are Tannoys and Tannoys. You can pay king's ransom for a
>nice pair of corner horns with Tannoy Silvers in, esp 15" ones.
>
>Even Lancasters and Yorks cost an arm and a leg, and there's one (can't
>remember its name) which is untouchable with anyone else's bargepole.
Lockwood's possibly?..
>Wasn't it Tannoy who made a little box called 'Diamond'? That was dire
>in the extreme.
>
>We had a lad of about thirteen in the shop who *WANTED* the Diamonds in
>the window. Now I believe in starting kids off on the right track, so
>demonstrated them, and then demonstrated a pair of Leak Mini-Sandwiches.
>
>Sensible boy - he went for the Leaks at half the price...
>
But look who's still around. Wish I'd kept me olde Yorks with the 15"
Gold guns therein;))..
--
Tony Sayer
bof
<rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> writes
LS3/5As ? That's what I use as my PC speakers
> Same drivers as the JR 149s, though.
>
--
bof at bof dot me dot uk
bof
<aug...@kororaa.com> writes
>
>The entity calling itself bof wrote:
>>
>> In message <hg172v$gdc$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Rusty Hinge
>> <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> writes
>>
>>> /puts on unforgetting hat/ - Hell! little BBC Monitors - gone!
>>
>> LS3/5As ? That's what I use as my PC speakers
>
Nothing esoteric, it's a 40W Sony job, TAF210, with E-MU 404 sound card
in the PC. Gives a good sound, as I tend to listen with my head level
to, and 2 - 3 feet from, the speakers.
Anthony Frost
August West <aug...@kororaa.com> wrote:
> The entity calling itself tony sayer wrote:
> > Ummm ... they are available new for less that that!. Do bear in mind the
> > LS3/5A was a speaker "specification" that almost anyone could make...
>
> They're not the same as the old one, ann much inferior, so the
> aficionados claim!
>
> > http://www.stirlingbroadcast.net/
>
> Yes, but, 700 quid is still several hundred, like I said!
Blimey... Looks at the nearly 30 year old pair of Rogers LS3/5As I've
got hanging on the wall...
> >>And they lack bass,
> >
> > Lack rather low bass and quantities thereof.
>
> That's being kind.
>
> > but don't have that one note bass so beloved by some;!..
> >
> > But are extremely accurate on a lot of other materiel:)..
>
> They are beautiful for voice.
Both largely due to the original spec being for stereo monitoring in
radio studios, the low bass won't get through the transmission chain
anyway and you want to make sure your talking head sounds good before
sending him up the line to BH.
Anthony
Rusty Hinge
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> Anyone wanna buy a nice clean, serviced 401? I have one to spare...
>
>
>> Wasn't it Tannoy who made a little box called 'Diamond'? That was
>> dire in the extreme.
>
> speakers. They were are even more uneven than Tannoy.
Oh ah - another speaker maker which was good... When Rank took them over
- Rank? Nuff said!
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> Anyone wanna buy a nice clean, serviced 401? I have one to spare...
>
>
Wocher got for an exchange? It used to sit on a slate plinth which you
can see friends of at:
http://www.girolle.co.uk/slate1.html - and that's the very motor unit
depicted.
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
years ago, that price. Silver's recently trebled in price, so - no, I
daren't look!
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> Skipweasel said:
>> The message <56CdnTyOKpTVTr_W...@brightview.co.uk>
>> from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
>>
>>>> Now there's a thought. With a voice-coil that size you could have a cone
>>>> the size of the Alps.
>>> With a sodding big Flake sticking out of the top.
>> Crushed nuts?
>
> Keep yer thumbs out of it.
>
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
--
Rusty
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <6bf4cb75-d79d-4f2a...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
> On 12 Dec, 15:03, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.R...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> � � � � Resonances are bad, as one particle physics experiment found out
>> a little while back. �They were triggering their detectors at a constant
>> rate, and started having relatively large failure rates. �Investigation
>> finally showed that the associated bursts of currents through the
>> bonding wires to the detectors were prompting the wires to bend in the
>> magnetic field (used to determine particle momentum, the curvature of
>> the path being inversely proportional to p). �The frequency of the pulses
>> turned out to be close to the resonant frequency of the wires, so the forces
>> were bolstered until the spot-welded joints broke.
> That's curious. I had exactly the same experience with a 24MW motor
> in India where the pigtails came off the end of the windings. The
> pulsation frequency of the PWM was resonating the windings. The motor
> was destroyed, mind, 12KV arcs tend to do that. But the next one was
> fine with the pulsation frequency lowered by 25%. (job protection: it
> was before my current job, nothing to do with $MEGACORP)
Totally different scale. Monetary consequences probably eerily similar...
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Frank Erskine
<rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
><Mrs Beeton> First catch your camel. </Beeton>
IRTA:-'Mrs Beetroot'.
--
Frank Erskine
Rusty Hinge
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> drivers as the JR 149s, though.
>
> horribly expensive - several hundred a pair, if not a thousand plus!
> cheaper alternative are Royd Connistons, if you can find them.
>
I'm not mightily impressed by my JR 149s - the pair of EMI 13 x 8 ovals
(with spinner) sound better...
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
means you are thereabouts.
Nick Besley is now, I'm told, trading exclusively on the www.
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> August West wrote:
>>> The entity calling itself Rusty Hinge wrote:
>>>> Anyone wanna buy a nice clean, serviced 401? I have one to spare...
>>> Yes, me!
>>>
>> Wocher got for an exchange?
>
> NVA AP20 integrated? A few Squeezebox Gs?
>
I'll tell you the sort of thing I'm looking for: reasonable valve amp
and pre - doesn't have to be anything special, but so I can demonstrate
the plinth etc with solid state and valve.
Any old smokepoles, cappers, powder flasks, shot pouches, etc. I mention
these because you just might work an advantageous 3-way deal somewhere.
(Just bought a db percussion gun, probably a rifle because of its (half
inch-ish) relatively small calibre. In need of some careful restoration
- I'm not afraid of that.
Not lacking a CD player - have an elderly Shan Ling - the nearest thing
to a vinyl sound I've come across in digital - well, if you discount the
valve-stage.
The speakers I'd really like are too big for my front room - or any room
in the house, for that matter. I missed a pair because I couldn't raise
�800 at the time. Dali - they hve a big bass driver in the bottom, and
the snazzy aluminium triangular-ish superstructure is composed of
mid-rnge and high ribbon speakers, Instant desire, and where I lived at
the time, just the room...
--
Rusty
Rusty Hinge
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:04:01 +0000, Rusty Hinge
> <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> <Mrs Beeton> First catch your camel. </Beeton>
>
> IRTA:-'Mrs Beetroot'.
>
--
Rusty
Adrian C
> The speakers I'd really like are too big for my front room - or any room
> in the house, for that matter. I missed a pair because I couldn't raise
> �800 at the time. Dali - they hve a big bass driver in the bottom, and
> the snazzy aluminium triangular-ish superstructure is composed of
> mid-rnge and high ribbon speakers, Instant desire, and where I lived at
> the time, just the room...
>
I heard a pair of those at a HiFi exhibition in London. The hammered top
note of a piano keyboard was there - I mean really there...
I made the mistake of buying from them a really great demonstration CD
and then taking that home to try the same track on my TDL Studio 1m's
which I do like for bass (transmission line) & percussion.
Ah, well. I'll afford those DALIs in another lifetime ...
--
Adrian C
John Williamson
At about that time, I was using Fane Pop 60s, two to a cabinet with a
tweeter as disco speakers. Measured over 100Db at the back of the hall
if you wound them up, and clear as a bell once you got far enough away
not to overload your eardrums. Say, at the far end of the car park....
On test only, naturally, and with earplugs while in the hall. 85Db
limit, as close as we could get it while the disco was full.