Chart Commentary 18/5/13

[Vidcapper]

Singles
-------
Daft Punk retain the #1 spot, with sales of >100k for the 3rd week!

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2, Passenger #3
Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6
Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39

Re-entries T40 : John Legend #36, BEP (WITL) #40

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43, Lana
Del Rey (Y&B) #48, Drumsound & BS #53, Jazmine Sullivan #63

Re-entries T75 : Tracy Chapman (FC) #41, Drake/Ri (TC) #47, Gabrielle
Aplin (PDSLYM) #65, Jay-Z/KW (NCITW) #66, Nelly/Kelly (Dil) #71, Dusty
Springfield (SOAPM) #75


Albums
------
Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)


New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3, Alison Moyet #5
Top 10 : Lady Antebellum #7
Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #13, Savages #19

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Public Service Broadcasting
#21, Armin Van Buuren #37, Thea Gilmore #39, Joe Satriani #44, Little
Boots #45, Bonnie Tyler #52, Valerie June #56, Deerhunter #71,
Ghostpoet #73, Killing Joke #75

Re-entries : Hugh Laurie (LTT) #54, Little Mix #61


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Wouldn't be surprised to see Daft Punk at #1 for a 4th week.

Top 5 : Demi Lovato,
Top 10 : Wretch 32, StooShe
Top 20 : Tich
Top 30 :
Top 40 :

Excepting OA/OS releases, of course.

Albums
------
Hopefully Gabreille Aplin will claim the #1 spot.

Top 5 : Rod Stewart, Vampire Weekend
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Primal Scream

Others : Agnetha F, Boxer Rebellion, Fall, Mark Lanegan

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

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Now, I've got to admit I was out this afternoon, so I missed almost all the
chart show and haven't done much advance prep.

> Singles
> -------
> Daft Punk retain the #1 spot, with sales of >100k for the 3rd week!

A rare though not unheard of achievement. Remember when it went to Number
One on iTunes the day it was released and everybody thought it'd drop off
after a day?

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2,

So I did hear Jameela explaining that people had been playing this on the
radio for six months and only now has somebody bothered to release it.
And whilst this is by no means a flop, it does have the hallmarks of a dance
single held back too long to sell what it might have, presumably in the hope
of the Number One that turned out not to be possible anyway. That said, some
delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to radio features the
sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently wasn't cleared for the UK
commercial release and has been replaced.

> Passenger #3

I don't think it will ever get to Number One. I don't think it sounds like
'74-75' by the Connells either, though there are people who'll disagree with
me on both points.

> Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6

Van Buuren was recently voted the world's No1 DJ, but like his big rival
Tiesto has been less active on the recording front. Actually, why did I say
"but" in that sentence? Why is it that people who like dance music assume
that somebody who's good at playing other people's records is also good at
making their own? It doesn't seem to be the case in any other genre.
Anyway, this is his first Top 40 single since 'Communication' peaked at 18
in 2000; I'm told that the track was a really big deal for trance fans.
Subsequent releases have fared less well, whilst Canadian former boyband
star has never troubled the UK chart before. Together, they've interrupted
the run of rather good dance tracks in the high end of the chart lately by
releasing a weak pastiche of Swedish House Mafia's 'Don't You Worry Child'
and Autotuned their way to the Top 10.

> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19

Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the whispery
singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard dozens of times
and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first released as a B-side in
2011.

> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)

I've never seen that before.

> Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39

I know you don't normally like to credit featured artists, but it does seem
a bit unfair to Miguel, whoever he is, since he actually appears to be doing
most of the work on this track. Still, it gives Mariah her first T40
appearance with a song that isn't 'All I Want For Christmas Is You' since
2009.

> Re-entries T40 : John Legend #36, BEP (WITL) #40

Nice little payday for Will.I.Am then.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43,

New EP from the Australian dance act who still have yet to score a Top 40
hit in their own right.

>Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,

Also a re-entry, thanks to the release of the Great Gatsby soundtrack: this
is one of the few cherry-pickable tracks from it. Not sure why they released
the soundtrack ten days before the film, though.

>Drumsound & BS #53,

Unfortunate initials for Mr Smith there.

> Jazmine Sullivan #63

Belated T75 debut for the talent show fave, although a version by the Glee
cast peaked at 57 in January 2010.

> Re-entries T75 : Tracy Chapman (FC) #41, Drake/Ri (TC) #47, Gabrielle
> Aplin (PDSLYM) #65, Jay-Z/KW (NCITW) #66, Nelly/Kelly (Dil) #71, Dusty
> Springfield (SOAPM) #75

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

> Albums
> ------
> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)

It always seemed the most likely possibility that The Shocking Miss Emerald
would provide a rare UK Album Chart topper from a Dutch act. In the even,
Rudimental gave her a run for her money but returning to the UK for some
promotion late in the week seems to have worked well for her.
Apparently the album isn't as bad as the title, but the word on the street
does suggest that it's essentially a glossier remake of her debut set and
perhaps lacks the charm of her first set.
Thanks to reflected glory and discounting, that first album remains in the
chart this week placing her at both ends of the T40

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3,

Speaking of the first Caro Emerald album, there's a track on it that sounds
very like the theme tune to Jeeves & Wooster. And the second highest new
entry on this week's chart is the star of that series (and many others). His
second album as a musician moves the focus slightly more towards his backing
group The Copper Bottom Band, with five of the 13 tracks on the standard
album featuring other lead singers.
The choice of songs is also subtly different; where his debut set Let Them
Talk was all songs from New Orleans, the material here is mostly from
elswhere in the US, reflecting the origins of the blues. The final track,
though, was written by Alan Price, who isn't American at all (it's 'Changes'
which some readers may remember from a TV commercial in the 1980s). A deluxe
version adds a book and a five-track bonus CD.

>Alison Moyet #5

Her first studio album since 2007, though since that time there has been a
best of and the Yazoo reunion. The Minutes is a return to her electronic
roots, something in which she apparently struggled to interest record
companies until she went ahead and recorded it herself. The result is her
first Top 5 album since 1995's Singles compilation, and her first new one
since 1987. And I ordered it on vinyl, so I haven't even got mine yet.

> Top 10 : Lady Antebellum #7

The fourth studio album from the "country" trio, not counting their
Christmas rubbish. An online reviewer says "No song I want to skip over so
that in itself says it all." Yes, perhaps it does.

> Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #13,

Also a fourth album. Like their second, it's released alongside a film by
mainman Charlie Fink, and also like that album it's failed to produce a
major hit single, so is presumably selling mainly to established fans and
some of the people who bought their last album. Mind you, I did see somebody
complaining about having to pay �8:49 for it. Can you imagine such daylight
robbery?

>Savages #19

Just to make change from the fourth albums, here's a debut set from the
quartet who've made their name on the live circuit with their own version of
the very early 80s post-punk sound. As the sort of band who write a
manifesto on the front cover, a Top 20 album is probably the biggest
mainstream success they can expect.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Public Service Broadcasting
> #21,

The duo of J Wilgoose Esq and Wrigglesworth (not necessarily their real
names) are among the more unusual acts to chart this week, as they combine
samples from old public information and propaganda films with electronic
instruments and banjos. Apparently they're nowhere near as bad as that
description sounds, though this debut album has suffered from the common
complaint that too much of the best material had already been released. At
least this album does include the legendary thomas Woodruffe commentary on
the illumination of the naval fleet.

>Armin Van Buuren #37,

As previously noted, he's not a chart regular but he has released several
albums of his own work among the compilation and mix albums. This is the
first to reach the Top 75, presumably thanks to the success of the current
single. The album lasts more than 79 minutes, which I suppose is sort of
generous.

>Thea Gilmore #39,

Not the longest-established act in this chart, but one of the most prolific:
Regardless is the singer-songwriter's fourteenth album since 1998, though
the first to breach the Top 40. It's supposed to be a more grown-up sounding
album, featuring string arrangements and more radio-friendly songs. That
seems to suit her rather well actually.

>Joe Satriani #44,

The latest album by the widdly guitarist is his highest-charting solo
release in 15 years. If you like to give point for effort, you'll love this.

>Little Boots #45,

The long-delayed second album from the Sound Of 2009, now releasing through
her own On Repeat label. Apparently she's done a lot of DJing. The ten songs
on this track include the 2011 single 'Shake'.

>Bonnie Tyler #52,

She first made the singles chart in 1976, before Thea Gilmore was even born,
but this is apparently only her sixteenth album, and only her fourth solo
set to chart. Fans of bland, formulaic music will be pleased to hear that
Desmond Child wrote some of the material on this album, including single and
Eurovision entry 'Believe In Me'. That's presumably why it's been released
in the UK two months later than elsewhere.

>Valerie June #56,

More banjos on the proper debut album from this Tennesseean singer, whose
previous releases were DIY jobs. In order to make a more fully-realised
record she turned to crowdfunding, though she was able to secure the
services of Dan Auerbach from the Black Keys as co-producer, with the even
bigger name Booker T. Jones playing on one track. The album's released in
the UK via the Sunday Best label.

>Deerhunter #71,

Sixth album from the US indie group who seem to have been around forever
(actually only since 2001, apparently) without really becoming familiar to
people who don't read Pitchfork or the NME. This latest album by the latest
lineup won't change that, though it does break the T75.

>Ghostpoet #73,

Second album from critically acclaimed rapper Obara Ejimiwe. It includes a
song called 'Sloth Trot' and a guest appearance by folky singer-songwriter
Lucy Rose.

>Killing Joke #75

For a band with a reputation for being tricksy, they've played a straight
bat with The Singles Collection 1979-2012. It's a 33-track double CD
featuring all the singles they released over those 33 years, in their single
versions. Early copies add a bonus CD of rarities, and even those are
actually fairly rare.

> Re-entries : Hugh Laurie (LTT) #54,

Obviously a benificiary of the promo for his new album, including a big ITV
documentary.

>Little Mix #61

I know it was only 76 last week, but maybe still less successful than was
expected at this point.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Wouldn't be surprised to see Daft Punk at #1 for a 4th week.

Neither would I, there's no real competition except Passenger.

> Top 5 : Demi Lovato,

Seems oddly possible.

> Top 10 : Wretch 32, StooShe

Would tend to agree with these, not that I've heard the Wretch song yet.

> Top 20 : Tich

Dunno yet, could just be a fanbase thing and end up at about 21-22.

> Albums
> ------
> Hopefully Gabreille Aplin will claim the #1 spot.

Well, I suppose if the weather gets hot again some people might be having
trouble sleeping.

> Top 5 : Rod Stewart,

I think he's in with a decent shout at returning to the top, since he won't
need massive sales and this album might win back some of the fans he lost on
all those awful covers albums.

>Vampire Weekend

Yeah, seems right.

> Top 20 : Primal Scream

I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act with a
following and have had some support for the single. They won't need 10k
sales will they?

> Others : Agnetha F,

Her last one went T20, and I wouldn't expect this to do much worse.

>Boxer Rebellion,

Another act I usually forget exist between albums.

> Fall,

Possible - it's a quieter time of year than when their last one missed out.

>Mark Lanegan

Not sure, as it's a collaboration.

Chris
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[Vidcapper]

On 13/05/2013 00:45, Chris Brown wrote:
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Daft Punk retain the #1 spot, with sales of >100k for the 3rd week!
>
> A rare though not unheard of achievement. Remember when it went to Number
> One on iTunes the day it was released and everybody thought it'd drop off
> after a day?

Understandable, given the usual pattern.

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2,
>
> So I did hear Jameela explaining that people had been playing this on the
> radio for six months and only now has somebody bothered to release it.

Played *where*, though?

> That said, some delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to
> radio features the sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently wasn't
> cleared for the UK commercial release and has been replaced.

That's bullshit - the guy's been dead for nearly 30 years, so he's
hardly likely to object!

>
>> Passenger #3
>
> I don't think it will ever get to Number One.

Even without Daft Punk?

I don't think it sounds
> like '74-75' by the Connells either, though there are people who'll
> disagree with me on both points.

I can't disagree with that, since I've never heard the song in question...

>
>> Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6
>
> Van Buuren was recently voted the world's No1 DJ, but like his big rival
> Tiesto has been less active on the recording front. Actually, why did I
> say "but" in that sentence? Why is it that people who like dance music
> assume that somebody who's good at playing other people's records is
> also good at making their own? It doesn't seem to be the case in any
> other genre.

Is there any other genre that actually applies to?

>
>> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
>
> Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the
> whispery singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard
> dozens of times and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first
> released as a B-side in 2011.

Well, I liked it.

>
>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>
> I've never seen that before.

What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p

>
>> Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39
>
> I know you don't normally like to credit featured artists, but it does
> seem a bit unfair to Miguel, whoever he is, since he actually appears to
> be doing most of the work on this track.

Yes, but which artist has ever been heard of before... ;)

Still, it gives Mariah her
> first T40 appearance with a song that isn't 'All I Want For Christmas Is
> You' since 2009.

Hmmm...

>
>> Re-entries T40 : John Legend #36, BEP (WITL) #40
>
> Nice little payday for Will.I.Am then.

So I noticed.

>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43,
>
> New EP from the Australian dance act who still have yet to score a Top
> 40 hit in their own right.

I thought this was called 'Haunted House', but the OCC credited it as
'Power Glove'?

>
>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>
> Also a re-entry, thanks to the release of the Great Gatsby soundtrack:
> this is one of the few cherry-pickable tracks from it. Not sure why they
> released the soundtrack ten days before the film, though.

I wonder if this'll go T40 once it is?

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)
>
> It always seemed the most likely possibility that The Shocking Miss
> Emerald would provide a rare UK Album Chart topper from a Dutch act.

I don't recall any others, offhand?

> Apparently the album isn't as bad as the title, but the word on the
> street does suggest that it's essentially a glossier remake of her debut
> set and perhaps lacks the charm of her first set.

I like it at least as much as the first.

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3,
>
> Speaking of the first Caro Emerald album, there's a track on it that
> sounds very like the theme tune to Jeeves & Wooster.

I wouldn't know.

>
>> Alison Moyet #5
>
> Her first studio album since 2007, though since that time there has been
> a best of and the Yazoo reunion. The Minutes is a return to her
> electronic roots, something in which she apparently struggled to
> interest record companies until she went ahead and recorded it herself.

You mean *then* they got interested, or she just cut them right out of
the loop?

> The result is her first Top 5 album since 1995's Singles compilation,
> and her first new one since 1987. And I ordered it on vinyl, so I
> haven't even got mine yet.

Why vinyl?

There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
selection of vinyl records.

http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html

No that that's a lot of help to you where you are, of course. :p

>
>> Top 10 : Lady Antebellum #7
>
> The fourth studio album from the "country" trio, not counting their
> Christmas rubbish. An online reviewer says "No song I want to skip over
> so that in itself says it all." Yes, perhaps it does.

Does it?

>
>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Public Service Broadcasting
>> #21,
>
> The duo of J Wilgoose Esq and Wrigglesworth (not necessarily their real
> names) are among the more unusual acts to chart this week, as they
> combine samples from old public information and propaganda films with
> electronic instruments and banjos. Apparently they're nowhere near as
> bad as that description sounds

I hope not!

>
>> Armin Van Buuren #37,
>
> As previously noted, he's not a chart regular but he has released
> several albums of his own work among the compilation and mix albums.
> This is the first to reach the Top 75, presumably thanks to the success
> of the current single. The album lasts more than 79 minutes, which I
> suppose is sort of generous.
>

Isn't 80 minutes about as much as you can fit on a CD?

>> Thea Gilmore #39,
>
> Not the longest-established act in this chart, but one of the most
> prolific: Regardless is the singer-songwriter's fourteenth album since
> 1998, though the first to breach the Top 40.

*Just*.

>
>> Little Boots #45,
>
> The long-delayed second album from the Sound Of 2009, now releasing
> through her own On Repeat label. Apparently she's done a lot of DJing.
> The ten songs on this track include the 2011 single 'Shake'.

She released a single in 2011??

>
>> Bonnie Tyler #52,
>
> She first made the singles chart in 1976, before Thea Gilmore was even
> born, but this is apparently only her sixteenth album, and only her
> fourth solo set to chart. Fans of bland, formulaic music will be pleased
> to hear that Desmond Child wrote some of the material on this album,
> including single and Eurovision entry 'Believe In Me'. That's presumably
> why it's been released in the UK two months later than elsewhere.

And will probably be the only country that it'll chart in?

>
>> Valerie June #56,
>
> More banjos on the proper debut album from this Tennesseean

Is that even a word?

singer,

>
>> Ghostpoet #73,
>
> Second album from critically acclaimed rapper Obara Ejimiwe.

'Critically acclaimed' usually means 'No-one knows who the hell you are'. :p

>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Wouldn't be surprised to see Daft Punk at #1 for a 4th week.
>
> Neither would I, there's no real competition except Passenger.
>
>> Top 5 : Demi Lovato,
>
> Seems oddly possible.

Miley will be jealous...

>
>> Top 20 : Tich
>
> Dunno yet, could just be a fanbase thing and end up at about 21-22.

What fanbase - she's never charted before!

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Hopefully Gabreille Aplin will claim the #1 spot.
>
> Well, I suppose if the weather gets hot again some people might be
> having trouble sleeping.

Hey...!

>
>> Top 5 : Rod Stewart,
>
> I think he's in with a decent shout at returning to the top, since he
> won't need massive sales and this album might win back some of the fans
> he lost on all those awful covers albums.

You mean *this* isn't another 'awful covers' album?

>
>> Vampire Weekend
>
> Yeah, seems right.
>
>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>
> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act with
> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
> 10k sales will they?

Unfortunately not, probably.

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

"Vidcapper" <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On 13/05/2013 00:45, Chris Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Daft Punk retain the #1 spot, with sales of >100k for the 3rd week!
>>
>> A rare though not unheard of achievement. Remember when it went to Number
>> One on iTunes the day it was released and everybody thought it'd drop off
>> after a day?
>
> Understandable, given the usual pattern.

Oh yes, of course. I was myself part of that everybody.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2,
>>
>> So I did hear Jameela explaining that people had been playing this on the
>> radio for six months and only now has somebody bothered to release it.
>
> Played *where*, though?

On the radio, I said.

>> That said, some delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to
>> radio features the sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently wasn't
>> cleared for the UK commercial release and has been replaced.
>
> That's bullshit - the guy's been dead for nearly 30 years, so he's hardly
> likely to object!

Just because he personally is dead, doesn't mean you can do what you like.
Obviously, his vocals have been cleared for samples before, but presumably
Motown asked for too much money.

>>> Passenger #3
>>
>> I don't think it will ever get to Number One.
>
> Even without Daft Punk?

Eh? I don't think it's going to be deleted anytime soon.
Obviously it will eventually fall off the top but I think that'll be too
late for Passenger.

> I don't think it sounds
>> like '74-75' by the Connells either, though there are people who'll
>> disagree with me on both points.
>
> I can't disagree with that, since I've never heard the song in question...

Haven't you got Now 33?

>>> Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6
>>
>> Van Buuren was recently voted the world's No1 DJ, but like his big rival
>> Tiesto has been less active on the recording front. Actually, why did I
>> say "but" in that sentence? Why is it that people who like dance music
>> assume that somebody who's good at playing other people's records is
>> also good at making their own? It doesn't seem to be the case in any
>> other genre.
>
> Is there any other genre that actually applies to?

Well, there are DJs who play hip-hop or rock music or pop or whatever (in
clubs) but nobody seems to assume they're capable of making the music
themselves.

>>> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
>>
>> Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the
>> whispery singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard
>> dozens of times and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first
>> released as a B-side in 2011.
>
> Well, I liked it.

You say that like it'll convice me.

>>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>>
>> I've never seen that before.
>
> What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p

Never seen you mention it (except when the peak is 1, of course).

>>> Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39
>>
>> I know you don't normally like to credit featured artists, but it does
>> seem a bit unfair to Miguel, whoever he is, since he actually appears to
>> be doing most of the work on this track.
>
> Yes, but which artist has ever been heard of before... ;)

Who cares?

> Still, it gives Mariah her
>> first T40 appearance with a song that isn't 'All I Want For Christmas Is
>> You' since 2009.
>
> Hmmm...

That's true, though. Her last hit that wasn't a re-entry or a cover was 'Bye
Bye' in 2008.

>>> Re-entries T40 : John Legend #36, BEP (WITL) #40
>>
>> Nice little payday for Will.I.Am then.
>
> So I noticed.

At least I didn't do any Fergie time jokes.

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43,
>>
>> New EP from the Australian dance act who still have yet to score a Top
>> 40 hit in their own right.
>
> I thought this was called 'Haunted House', but the OCC credited it as
> 'Power Glove'?

Haunted House is the EP title, but the OCC have attributed it to the opening
track 'Power Glove' instead. Apparently 'EDM Death Machine' is the biggest
selling invididual track.

>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>
>> Also a re-entry, thanks to the release of the Great Gatsby soundtrack:
>> this is one of the few cherry-pickable tracks from it. Not sure why they
>> released the soundtrack ten days before the film, though.
>
> I wonder if this'll go T40 once it is?

One the film is released (on Thursday, BTW)? Probably not for that reason,
but it could happen.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)
>>
>> It always seemed the most likely possibility that The Shocking Miss
>> Emerald would provide a rare UK Album Chart topper from a Dutch act.
>
> I don't recall any others, offhand?

I remembered that 2Unlimited had two in the 1990s. The MW report reminds us
that there was also Starsound in 1981, when Miss Emerald was still a baby.
Andre Rieu came very close a few years ago but was narrowly pipped at the
post.

>> Apparently the album isn't as bad as the title, but the word on the
>> street does suggest that it's essentially a glossier remake of her debut
>> set and perhaps lacks the charm of her first set.
>
> I like it at least as much as the first.

Yeah, to be fair it's a bit early to make judgements one way or the other.
But clearly there aren't a lot of fresh ideas on it.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3,
>>
>> Speaking of the first Caro Emerald album, there's a track on it that
>> sounds very like the theme tune to Jeeves & Wooster.
>
> I wouldn't know.

It was quite good. In fact they both were.

>>> Alison Moyet #5
>>
>> Her first studio album since 2007, though since that time there has been
>> a best of and the Yazoo reunion. The Minutes is a return to her
>> electronic roots, something in which she apparently struggled to
>> interest record companies until she went ahead and recorded it herself.
>
> You mean *then* they got interested, or she just cut them right out of the
> loop?

Well, a record company was interested.

>> The result is her first Top 5 album since 1995's Singles compilation,
>> and her first new one since 1987. And I ordered it on vinyl, so I
>> haven't even got mine yet.
>
> Why vinyl?

I thought it would be a good album to have on vinyl, and it's a coloured LP
at a (relatively) reasonable price.

> There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
> selection of vinyl records.
>
> http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html
>
> No that that's a lot of help to you where you are, of course. :p

No, but I've heard good things about Rise, so if I'm ever in one of the
towns where they have a branch I will try and sneak in.

>>> Top 10 : Lady Antebellum #7
>>
>> The fourth studio album from the "country" trio, not counting their
>> Christmas rubbish. An online reviewer says "No song I want to skip over
>> so that in itself says it all." Yes, perhaps it does.
>
> Does it?

If it's a big compliment that there are no unlistenably awful tracks, I
think it does.

>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Public Service Broadcasting
>>> #21,
>>
>> The duo of J Wilgoose Esq and Wrigglesworth (not necessarily their real
>> names) are among the more unusual acts to chart this week, as they
>> combine samples from old public information and propaganda films with
>> electronic instruments and banjos. Apparently they're nowhere near as
>> bad as that description sounds
>
> I hope not!

I do wonder whether I could stand to listen to a whole album though.

BTW, here's the Thomas Woodroffe clip I mentioned before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WpiTa7azQs
The Paula White of the 1930s.

>>> Armin Van Buuren #37,
>>
>> As previously noted, he's not a chart regular but he has released
>> several albums of his own work among the compilation and mix albums.
>> This is the first to reach the Top 75, presumably thanks to the success
>> of the current single. The album lasts more than 79 minutes, which I
>> suppose is sort of generous.
>>
> Isn't 80 minutes about as much as you can fit on a CD?

Yeah, that's what's so generous.

>>> Thea Gilmore #39,
>>
>> Not the longest-established act in this chart, but one of the most
>> prolific: Regardless is the singer-songwriter's fourteenth album since
>> 1998, though the first to breach the Top 40.
>
> *Just*.

True, but it's significantly better than she's done before.

>>> Little Boots #45,
>>
>> The long-delayed second album from the Sound Of 2009, now releasing
>> through her own On Repeat label. Apparently she's done a lot of DJing.
>> The ten songs on this track include the 2011 single 'Shake'.
>
> She released a single in 2011??

Yeah, I think it just about went Top 200 on iTunes.

>>> Bonnie Tyler #52,
>>
>> She first made the singles chart in 1976, before Thea Gilmore was even
>> born, but this is apparently only her sixteenth album, and only her
>> fourth solo set to chart. Fans of bland, formulaic music will be pleased
>> to hear that Desmond Child wrote some of the material on this album,
>> including single and Eurovision entry 'Believe In Me'. That's presumably
>> why it's been released in the UK two months later than elsewhere.
>
> And will probably be the only country that it'll chart in?

Per Wikipedia, it went T30 in Denmark and peaked at 59 in both Germany and
Switzerland.

>>> Valerie June #56,
>>
>> More banjos on the proper debut album from this Tennesseean
>
> Is that even a word?

It is, though I can't guarantee that I've spelt it correctly.

>>> Ghostpoet #73,
>>
>> Second album from critically acclaimed rapper Obara Ejimiwe.
>
> 'Critically acclaimed' usually means 'No-one knows who the hell you are'.
> :p

A couple of thousand must have.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------

>>> Top 5 : Demi Lovato,
>>
>> Seems oddly possible.
>
> Miley will be jealous...

If she cares.

>>> Top 20 : Tich
>>
>> Dunno yet, could just be a fanbase thing and end up at about 21-22.
>
> What fanbase - she's never charted before!

That would make sense if she'd released hundreds of unsuccessful singles
before.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Hopefully Gabreille Aplin will claim the #1 spot.
>>

>>> Top 5 : Rod Stewart,
>>
>> I think he's in with a decent shout at returning to the top, since he
>> won't need massive sales and this album might win back some of the fans
>> he lost on all those awful covers albums.
>
> You mean *this* isn't another 'awful covers' album?

Indeed not. And it's not a Christmas album either, obv.

>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>
>> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act with
>> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
>> 10k sales will they?
>
> Unfortunately not, probably.

Wouldn't it be even worse if they could sell a lot of copies?

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 13/05/2013 22:18, Chris Brown wrote:

>>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------

> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2,
>>>
>>> So I did hear Jameela explaining that people had been playing this on
>>> the
>>> radio for six months and only now has somebody bothered to release it.
>>
>> Played *where*, though?
>
> On the radio, I said.

I *meant* on any stations in particular? It's only been on the airplay
chart for 5 weeks, so presumably only on low-audience ones...

>
>>> That said, some delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to
>>> radio features the sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently wasn't
>>> cleared for the UK commercial release and has been replaced.
>>
>> That's bullshit - the guy's been dead for nearly 30 years, so he's hardly
>> likely to object!
>
> Just because he personally is dead, doesn't mean you can do what you like.
> Obviously, his vocals have been cleared for samples before, but presumably
> Motown asked for too much money.

That doesn't make sense, if it was *only* in the UK it was refused, as
your above paragraph suggested.

>
>>>> Passenger #3
>>>
>>> I don't think it will ever get to Number One.
>>
>> Even without Daft Punk?
>
> Eh? I don't think it's going to be deleted anytime soon.
> Obviously it will eventually fall off the top but I think that'll be too
> late for Passenger.

Exactly.

>
>> I don't think it sounds
>>> like '74-75' by the Connells either, though there are people who'll
>>> disagree with me on both points.
>>
>> I can't disagree with that, since I've never heard the song in
>> question...
>
> Haven't you got Now 33?

No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
heard/remembered it...

I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and
nearly half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old NOW's,
or vinyl rips, though.

>
>>>> Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6
>>>
>>> Van Buuren was recently voted the world's No1 DJ, but like his big rival
>>> Tiesto has been less active on the recording front. Actually, why did I
>>> say "but" in that sentence? Why is it that people who like dance music
>>> assume that somebody who's good at playing other people's records is
>>> also good at making their own? It doesn't seem to be the case in any
>>> other genre.
>>
>> Is there any other genre that actually applies to?
>
> Well, there are DJs who play hip-hop or rock music or pop or whatever (in
> clubs) but nobody seems to assume they're capable of making the music
> themselves.

NO even the DJ's themselves? :p

>
>>>> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
>>>
>>> Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the
>>> whispery singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard
>>> dozens of times and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first
>>> released as a B-side in 2011.
>>
>> Well, I liked it.
>
> You say that like it'll convice me.

Just to clarify : are you saying you don't believe I actually like it?

>
>>>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>>>
>>> I've never seen that before.
>>
>> What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p
>
> Never seen you mention it (except when the peak is 1, of course).

It's just a new thing I was trying.

>
>>>> Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39
>>>
>>> I know you don't normally like to credit featured artists, but it does
>>> seem a bit unfair to Miguel, whoever he is, since he actually appears to
>>> be doing most of the work on this track.
>>
>> Yes, but which artist has ever been heard of before... ;)
>
> Who cares?

Not about him perhaps, but Mariah still has fans...

>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43,
>>>
>>> New EP from the Australian dance act who still have yet to score a Top
>>> 40 hit in their own right.
>>
>> I thought this was called 'Haunted House', but the OCC credited it as
>> 'Power Glove'?
>
> Haunted House is the EP title, but the OCC have attributed it to the
> opening
> track 'Power Glove' instead.

Ah - didn't know it was an EP.

>
>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>>
>>> Also a re-entry, thanks to the release of the Great Gatsby soundtrack:
>>> this is one of the few cherry-pickable tracks from it. Not sure why they
>>> released the soundtrack ten days before the film, though.
>>
>> I wonder if this'll go T40 once it is?
>
> One the film is released (on Thursday, BTW)? Probably not for that
> reason, but it could happen.

On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)
>>>
>>> It always seemed the most likely possibility that The Shocking Miss
>>> Emerald would provide a rare UK Album Chart topper from a Dutch act.
>>
>> I don't recall any others, offhand?
>
> I remembered that 2Unlimited had two in the 1990s. The MW report reminds us
> that there was also Starsound in 1981, when Miss Emerald was still a
> baby.

I wouldn't have had any idea they were Dutch if MW hadn't said so.

Andre Rieu came very close a few years ago but was narrowly pipped
> at the post.
>
>>> Apparently the album isn't as bad as the title, but the word on the
>>> street does suggest that it's essentially a glossier remake of her debut
>>> set and perhaps lacks the charm of her first set.
>>
>> I like it at least as much as the first.
>
> Yeah, to be fair it's a bit early to make judgements one way or the other.
> But clearly there aren't a lot of fresh ideas on it.

It's hardly a new genre though, so what did you expect?

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3,
>>>
>>> Speaking of the first Caro Emerald album, there's a track on it that
>>> sounds very like the theme tune to Jeeves & Wooster.
>>
>> I wouldn't know.
>
> It was quite good. In fact they both were.

They were OK in Blackadder - I wouldn't know about anything else.

>
>>>> Alison Moyet #5
>>>
>>> Her first studio album since 2007, though since that time there has been
>>> a best of and the Yazoo reunion. The Minutes is a return to her
>>> electronic roots, something in which she apparently struggled to
>>> interest record companies until she went ahead and recorded it herself.
>>
>> You mean *then* they got interested, or she just cut them right out of
>> the
>> loop?
>
> Well, a record company was interested.

Once everything was already paid for, presumably... 8)

>
>>> The result is her first Top 5 album since 1995's Singles compilation,
>>> and her first new one since 1987. And I ordered it on vinyl, so I
>>> haven't even got mine yet.
>>
>> Why vinyl?
>
> I thought it would be a good album to have on vinyl, and it's a coloured
> LP at a (relatively) reasonable price.

There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...

1. Its expensive
2. Inconvenient to rip
3. CD/Downloads sound better.

>
>> There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
>> selection of vinyl records.
>>
>> http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html
>>
>> No that that's a lot of help to you where you are, of course. :p
>
> No, but I've heard good things about Rise, so if I'm ever in one of the
> towns where they have a branch I will try and sneak in.

A bit of trivia - it is located on the old Woolworths site - the
original site that is, the one before the one that got closed when they
went belly-up.

I don't know if you ever watched the BBC sitcom Butterflies (which was
filmed in Cheltenham), but you can see the front of that shop in a scene
from an early episode.

>
>>>> Armin Van Buuren #37,
>>>
>>> As previously noted, he's not a chart regular but he has released
>>> several albums of his own work among the compilation and mix albums.
>>> This is the first to reach the Top 75, presumably thanks to the success
>>> of the current single. The album lasts more than 79 minutes, which I
>>> suppose is sort of generous.
>>>
>> Isn't 80 minutes about as much as you can fit on a CD?
>
> Yeah, that's what's so generous.

Doesn't that depend on how the music actually sounds, though. :p

>
>>>> Bonnie Tyler #52,
>>>
>>> She first made the singles chart in 1976, before Thea Gilmore was even
>>> born, but this is apparently only her sixteenth album, and only her
>>> fourth solo set to chart. Fans of bland, formulaic music will be pleased
>>> to hear that Desmond Child wrote some of the material on this album,
>>> including single and Eurovision entry 'Believe In Me'. That's presumably
>>> why it's been released in the UK two months later than elsewhere.
>>
>> And will probably be the only country that it'll chart in?
>
> Per Wikipedia, it went T30 in Denmark and peaked at 59 in both Germany
> and Switzerland.

Looking at her discography on Wikipedia, she's more widely known than I
thought - TEOTH went to #1 in America, for example.

>
>>>> Ghostpoet #73,
>>>
>>> Second album from critically acclaimed rapper Obara Ejimiwe.
>>
>> 'Critically acclaimed' usually means 'No-one knows who the hell you are'.
>> :p
>
> A couple of thousand must have.

No, just 1,550 per MW.

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------

>

>>>> Top 20 : Tich
>>>
>>> Dunno yet, could just be a fanbase thing and end up at about 21-22.
>>
>> What fanbase - she's never charted before!
>
> That would make sense if she'd released hundreds of unsuccessful singles
> before.

Just the opposite, surely?
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------

>
>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>>
>>> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act with
>>> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
>>> 10k sales will they?
>>
>> Unfortunately not, probably.
>
> Wouldn't it be even worse if they could sell a lot of copies?

All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.


--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

"Vidcapper" <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:MLkkt.100760$PV5....@fx22.fr7...

> On 13/05/2013 22:18, Chris Brown wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 5 : Chris Malinchak #2,
>>>>
>>>> So I did hear Jameela explaining that people had been playing this on
>>>> the
>>>> radio for six months and only now has somebody bothered to release it.
>>>
>>> Played *where*, though?
>>
>> On the radio, I said.
>
> I *meant* on any stations in particular? It's only been on the airplay
> chart for 5 weeks, so presumably only on low-audience ones...

Or only sporadically. Pete Tong only has one show a week, so even though
it's on R1 that one play wouldn't equate to much in an airplay chart.

>>>> That said, some delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to
>>>> radio features the sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently wasn't
>>>> cleared for the UK commercial release and has been replaced.
>>>
>>> That's bullshit - the guy's been dead for nearly 30 years, so he's
>>> hardly
>>> likely to object!
>>
>> Just because he personally is dead, doesn't mean you can do what you
>> like.
>> Obviously, his vocals have been cleared for samples before, but
>> presumably
>> Motown asked for too much money.
>
> That doesn't make sense, if it was *only* in the UK it was refused, as
> your above paragraph suggested.

On the contrary, it's not uncommon for a sample to be cleared in some
countries and not others, be that because there are different record
companies involved, or because the copyright holders want a different amount
in a bigger market or whatever. One famous example is 'You See The Trouble
With Me' by Black Legend: the versions released in mainland Europe which
charted here on import sampled a Barry White vocal, but the official UK
release was recreated by a session singer. I think that's also why the
proper version of 'So Much Love To Give' never got a UK release.

>>>>> Passenger #3
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it will ever get to Number One.
>>>
>>> Even without Daft Punk?
>>
>> Eh? I don't think it's going to be deleted anytime soon.
>> Obviously it will eventually fall off the top but I think that'll be too
>> late for Passenger.
>
> Exactly.

So there is no "without Daft Punk".

>>> I don't think it sounds
>>>> like '74-75' by the Connells either, though there are people who'll
>>>> disagree with me on both points.
>>>
>>> I can't disagree with that, since I've never heard the song in
>>> question...
>>
>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>
> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have heard/remembered
> it...

To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if you know
the Passenger song well enough to compare.
IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era I
especially liked.

> I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and nearly
> half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old NOW's, or vinyl
> rips, though.

I have too many songs to load ones onto my player I don't expect to listen
to.

>>>>> Top 10 : Armin Van Buuren ft Trevor Guthrie #6
>>>>
>>>> Van Buuren was recently voted the world's No1 DJ, but like his big
>>>> rival
>>>> Tiesto has been less active on the recording front. Actually, why did I
>>>> say "but" in that sentence? Why is it that people who like dance music
>>>> assume that somebody who's good at playing other people's records is
>>>> also good at making their own? It doesn't seem to be the case in any
>>>> other genre.
>>>
>>> Is there any other genre that actually applies to?
>>
>> Well, there are DJs who play hip-hop or rock music or pop or whatever (in
>> clubs) but nobody seems to assume they're capable of making the music
>> themselves.
>
> NO even the DJ's themselves? :p

I didn't ken you were Scottish? Any, the answer seems to be no, because they
don't do it - Westwood has guested on a couple of rap albums, but always as
himself rather than as a rapper.

>>>>> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
>>>>
>>>> Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the
>>>> whispery singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard
>>>> dozens of times and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first
>>>> released as a B-side in 2011.
>>>
>>> Well, I liked it.
>>
>> You say that like it'll convice me.
>
> Just to clarify : are you saying you don't believe I actually like it?

Of course not. I'm just not swayed by you.

>>>>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen that before.
>>>
>>> What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p
>>
>> Never seen you mention it (except when the peak is 1, of course).
>
> It's just a new thing I was trying.

Not a bad idea.

>>>>> Top 40 : Mariah Carey #39
>>>>
>>>> I know you don't normally like to credit featured artists, but it does
>>>> seem a bit unfair to Miguel, whoever he is, since he actually appears
>>>> to
>>>> be doing most of the work on this track.
>>>
>>> Yes, but which artist has ever been heard of before... ;)
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> Not about him perhaps, but Mariah still has fans...

Doubtless she has, but they didn't actually bother to buy her last single.

>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Knife Party #43,
>>>>
>>>> New EP from the Australian dance act who still have yet to score a Top
>>>> 40 hit in their own right.
>>>
>>> I thought this was called 'Haunted House', but the OCC credited it as
>>> 'Power Glove'?
>>
>> Haunted House is the EP title, but the OCC have attributed it to the
>> opening
>> track 'Power Glove' instead.
>
> Ah - didn't know it was an EP.

I still don't know why it's not listed as such though.

>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>>>
>>>> Also a re-entry, thanks to the release of the Great Gatsby soundtrack:
>>>> this is one of the few cherry-pickable tracks from it. Not sure why
>>>> they
>>>> released the soundtrack ten days before the film, though.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this'll go T40 once it is?
>>
>> One the film is released (on Thursday, BTW)? Probably not for that
>> reason, but it could happen.
>
> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers - she
> looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.

That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say that
Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)
>>>>
>>>> It always seemed the most likely possibility that The Shocking Miss
>>>> Emerald would provide a rare UK Album Chart topper from a Dutch act.
>>>
>>> I don't recall any others, offhand?
>>
>> I remembered that 2Unlimited had two in the 1990s. The MW report reminds
>> us
>> that there was also Starsound in 1981, when Miss Emerald was still a
>> baby.
>
> I wouldn't have had any idea they were Dutch if MW hadn't said so.

Starsound you mean? No, but it's obvious once you do know, you can hear the
accents. Since the 'Stars On 45' single peaked at 2 here, 2Unlimited are the
only Dutch act to have topped both album and singles charts.

>>>> Apparently the album isn't as bad as the title, but the word on the
>>>> street does suggest that it's essentially a glossier remake of her
>>>> debut
>>>> set and perhaps lacks the charm of her first set.
>>>
>>> I like it at least as much as the first.
>>
>> Yeah, to be fair it's a bit early to make judgements one way or the
>> other.
>> But clearly there aren't a lot of fresh ideas on it.
>
> It's hardly a new genre though, so what did you expect?

But surely one of the selling points of her first album was that it was a
modern spin on an old style - as opposed to the deliberate authenticity of
Hugh Laurie, for example.

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 5 : Hugh Lawrie #3,
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of the first Caro Emerald album, there's a track on it that
>>>> sounds very like the theme tune to Jeeves & Wooster.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know.
>>
>> It was quite good. In fact they both were.
>
> They were OK in Blackadder - I wouldn't know about anything else.

Actually I meant that both the theme tune and the TV series were good, but I
would agree that both Fry's and Laurie's performances were excellent. With
hindsight, Laurie was the more impressive though, because Wooster is the
more challenging role.

Here's the theme BTW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ZrWOGIbIE

>>>>> Alison Moyet #5
>>>>
>>>> Her first studio album since 2007, though since that time there has
>>>> been
>>>> a best of and the Yazoo reunion. The Minutes is a return to her
>>>> electronic roots, something in which she apparently struggled to
>>>> interest record companies until she went ahead and recorded it herself.
>>>
>>> You mean *then* they got interested, or she just cut them right out of
>>> the
>>> loop?
>>
>> Well, a record company was interested.
>
> Once everything was already paid for, presumably... 8)

To an extent, yes. But obviously the deal she did with them would reflect
that.

>>>> The result is her first Top 5 album since 1995's Singles compilation,
>>>> and her first new one since 1987. And I ordered it on vinyl, so I
>>>> haven't even got mine yet.
>>>
>>> Why vinyl?
>>
>> I thought it would be a good album to have on vinyl, and it's a coloured
>> LP at a (relatively) reasonable price.
>
> There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...
>
> 1. Its expensive

This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be very
cheap indeed.

> 2. Inconvenient to rip

Definitely, that's one point that does concern me in some cases.

> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.

That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs come
with a CD or download copy of the tracks.

>>> There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
>>> selection of vinyl records.
>>>
>>> http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html
>>>
>>> No that that's a lot of help to you where you are, of course. :p
>>
>> No, but I've heard good things about Rise, so if I'm ever in one of the
>> towns where they have a branch I will try and sneak in.
>
> A bit of trivia - it is located on the old Woolworths site - the original
> site that is, the one before the one that got closed when they went
> belly-up.

Hmm, that got me thinking actually. I think the original Woolworths in
Harrow (which closed in 1996) is now Tesco Metro. The one that closed in
2008 is now a Wilkinsons.

> I don't know if you ever watched the BBC sitcom Butterflies (which was
> filmed in Cheltenham), but you can see the front of that shop in a scene
> from an early episode.

I did see some of it, but it was about 20 years ago now so you'll understand
if I don't entirely remember it now.

There was an actual Woolworths ad filmed at the later Harrow branch, but it
doesn't seem to be on YouTube. It's odd when you look for them though,
because there are so many ads for the Australian version of the shop, which
sells meat.

>>>>> Armin Van Buuren #37,
>>>>
>>>> As previously noted, he's not a chart regular but he has released
>>>> several albums of his own work among the compilation and mix albums.
>>>> This is the first to reach the Top 75, presumably thanks to the success
>>>> of the current single. The album lasts more than 79 minutes, which I
>>>> suppose is sort of generous.
>>>>
>>> Isn't 80 minutes about as much as you can fit on a CD?
>>
>> Yeah, that's what's so generous.
>
> Doesn't that depend on how the music actually sounds, though. :p

Yeah, but then again I wouldn't want to listen to this album if it were only
half an hour long either.

>>>>> Bonnie Tyler #52,
>>>>
>>>> She first made the singles chart in 1976, before Thea Gilmore was even
>>>> born, but this is apparently only her sixteenth album, and only her
>>>> fourth solo set to chart. Fans of bland, formulaic music will be
>>>> pleased
>>>> to hear that Desmond Child wrote some of the material on this album,
>>>> including single and Eurovision entry 'Believe In Me'. That's
>>>> presumably
>>>> why it's been released in the UK two months later than elsewhere.
>>>
>>> And will probably be the only country that it'll chart in?
>>
>> Per Wikipedia, it went T30 in Denmark and peaked at 59 in both Germany
>> and Switzerland.
>
> Looking at her discography on Wikipedia, she's more widely known than I
> thought - TEOTH went to #1 in America, for example.

Yes, although that is a very American record. I don't think she does that
well over there now, but she's still popular in many other European
countries. Especially Northern Europe, though I'm trying to resist a Lost In
France pun at this stage.

>>>>> Ghostpoet #73,
>>>>
>>>> Second album from critically acclaimed rapper Obara Ejimiwe.
>>>
>>> 'Critically acclaimed' usually means 'No-one knows who the hell you
>>> are'.
>>> :p
>>
>> A couple of thousand must have.
>
> No, just 1,550 per MW.

So that only needs 450 people who've heard of him and didn't buy it. Easy.

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>
>>
>>>>> Top 20 : Tich
>>>>
>>>> Dunno yet, could just be a fanbase thing and end up at about 21-22.
>>>
>>> What fanbase - she's never charted before!
>>
>> That would make sense if she'd released hundreds of unsuccessful singles
>> before.
>
> Just the opposite, surely?

Well no, if she'd flopped before then she couldn't be selling to her fanbase
now.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>>>
>>>> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act
>>>> with
>>>> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
>>>> 10k sales will they?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately not, probably.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be even worse if they could sell a lot of copies?
>
> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.

I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I think
I can rule out their new single.

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 14/05/2013 22:47, Chris Brown wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------

>

>>>>> That said, some delay may have been inevitable as the version sent to
>>>>> radio features the sampled voice of Marvin Gaye, which evidently
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> cleared for the UK commercial release and has been replaced.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit - the guy's been dead for nearly 30 years, so he's
>>>> hardly
>>>> likely to object!
>>>
>>> Just because he personally is dead, doesn't mean you can do what you
>>> like.
>>> Obviously, his vocals have been cleared for samples before, but
>>> presumably
>>> Motown asked for too much money.
>>
>> That doesn't make sense, if it was *only* in the UK it was refused, as
>> your above paragraph suggested.
>
> On the contrary, it's not uncommon for a sample to be cleared in some
> countries and not others, be that because there are different record
> companies involved, or because the copyright holders want a different
> amount in a bigger market or whatever.

That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
absurd!

>>>
>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>
>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>> heard/remembered it...
>
> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if you
> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era I
> especially liked.

Would that be mid-90's?

>
>> I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and
>> nearly half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old
>> NOW's, or vinyl rips, though.
>
> I have too many songs to load ones onto my player I don't expect to
> listen to.

I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to shuffle...

>

>
>>>>>> Top 20 : Gabrielle Aplin #19
>>>>>
>>>>> Proving that you don't have to make dance music to be boring, the
>>>>> whispery singer-songwriter croons her way through a song I've heard
>>>>> dozens of times and struggle to remember any of at all. It was first
>>>>> released as a B-side in 2011.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I liked it.
>>>
>>> You say that like it'll convice me.
>>
>> Just to clarify : are you saying you don't believe I actually like it?
>
> Of course not. I'm just not swayed by you.

Fair enough, then.

>
>>>>>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen that before.
>>>>
>>>> What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p
>>>
>>> Never seen you mention it (except when the peak is 1, of course).
>>
>> It's just a new thing I was trying.
>
> Not a bad idea.

Except that'll i'll probably 'forget' unless it's a song I like... ;)

>
>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,

>>

>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.
>
> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say
> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.

That's just bizarre.

>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)

>>> But clearly there aren't a lot of fresh ideas on it.
>>
>> It's hardly a new genre though, so what did you expect?
>
> But surely one of the selling points of her first album was that it was

> a modern spin on an old style .

But that's what she does on this album, too.

>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------

>>
>> There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...
>>
>> 1. Its expensive
>
> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be
> very cheap indeed.

'Only'??

>
>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>
> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs come
> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.

They do?

>
>>>> There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
>>>> selection of vinyl records.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html
>>>>
>>

>> A bit of trivia - it is located on the old Woolworths site - the
>> original site that is, the one before the one that got closed when
>> they went belly-up.
>
> Hmm, that got me thinking actually. I think the original Woolworths in
> Harrow (which closed in 1996) is now Tesco Metro. The one that closed in
> 2008 is now a Wilkinsons.

The original site is now a shopping arcade, the more recent site (which
was only about 30 yards from where the old one was) is now a clothes shop.

>
>> I don't know if you ever watched the BBC sitcom Butterflies (which was
>> filmed in Cheltenham), but you can see the front of that shop in a
>> scene from an early episode.
>
> I did see some of it, but it was about 20 years ago now so you'll
> understand if I don't entirely remember it now.

It was a scene where Nicholas Lyndhurst's character was busking. I have
the series on (home-recorded) DVD, but can't be bothered looking for
which episode that scene was from.

>
>>>>>> Bonnie Tyler #52,

>>
>> Looking at her discography on Wikipedia, she's more widely known than
>> I thought - TEOTH went to #1 in America, for example.
>
> Yes, although that is a very American record. I don't think she does
> that well over there now, but she's still popular in many other European
> countries. Especially Northern Europe, though I'm trying to resist a
> Lost In France pun at this stage.

Not strongly enough, unfortunately... :)

>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------

>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>>>>
>>>>> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act
>>>>> with
>>>>> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
>>>>> 10k sales will they?
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately not, probably.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be even worse if they could sell a lot of copies?
>>
>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>
> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
> think I can rule out their new single.

Country Girl.
>

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

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Does it?

>>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>>
>>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>>> heard/remembered it...
>>
>> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if you
>> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
>> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era I
>> especially liked.
>
> Would that be mid-90's?

Yes, it's the first one from 1996, so it includes tracks from then and late
1995. Plus one from 1994 and a single that was originally released in 1962.

>>> I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and
>>> nearly half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old
>>> NOW's, or vinyl rips, though.
>>
>> I have too many songs to load ones onto my player I don't expect to
>> listen to.
>
> I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to shuffle...

I know what you mean, but the capacity of my player is only a tiny fraction
of my total collection.

>>>>>>> Top 30 : Paramore #26 (=Peak)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen that before.
>>>>>
>>>>> What, a record equalling a previous peak? :p
>>>>
>>>> Never seen you mention it (except when the peak is 1, of course).
>>>
>>> It's just a new thing I was trying.
>>
>> Not a bad idea.
>
> Except that'll i'll probably 'forget' unless it's a song I like... ;)

Heh.

>>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>
>>>
>>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
>>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.
>>
>> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say
>> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.
>
> That's just bizarre.

She's only following in the footsteps of David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Lady
Gaga etc.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> Caro Emerald takes over at #1! :)
>
>>>> But clearly there aren't a lot of fresh ideas on it.
>>>
>>> It's hardly a new genre though, so what did you expect?
>>
>> But surely one of the selling points of her first album was that it was
>> a modern spin on an old style .
>
> But that's what she does on this album, too.

Yes, but it's not so fresh this time.

>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>
>>> There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...
>>>
>>> 1. Its expensive
>>
>> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be
>> very cheap indeed.
>
> 'Only'??

Yeah, I had to pay that much for CDs for a long time, so it doesn't seem
exhorbitant to me.

>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>
>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs come
>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>
> They do?

Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the new
Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
It was especially handy with the Eels album, because the vinyl arrived three
months late but they'd e-mailed me the MP3s on release day.

Even larger branches of John Lewis now stock a range of Art Vinyl LPs that
include a CD of the album.

>>>>> There's one record shop in Cheltenham that regularly carries a good
>>>>> selection of vinyl records.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.beechwoodsc.co.uk/our-stores/rise-records.html
>>>>>
>>>
>>> A bit of trivia - it is located on the old Woolworths site - the
>>> original site that is, the one before the one that got closed when
>>> they went belly-up.
>>
>> Hmm, that got me thinking actually. I think the original Woolworths in
>> Harrow (which closed in 1996) is now Tesco Metro. The one that closed in
>> 2008 is now a Wilkinsons.
>
> The original site is now a shopping arcade, the more recent site (which
> was only about 30 yards from where the old one was) is now a clothes shop.

Yeah, ours moved into a new centre when it opened. And the town centre
branch of Our Price was replaced by a Virgin Megastore in the new centre. Of
course, neither of those exists now.

>>> I don't know if you ever watched the BBC sitcom Butterflies (which was
>>> filmed in Cheltenham), but you can see the front of that shop in a
>>> scene from an early episode.
>>
>> I did see some of it, but it was about 20 years ago now so you'll
>> understand if I don't entirely remember it now.
>
> It was a scene where Nicholas Lyndhurst's character was busking. I have
> the series on (home-recorded) DVD, but can't be bothered looking for which
> episode that scene was from.

The most famous bit of sitcom filming in my local area was the bit in Fawlty
Towers where he attacks the car with a tree. It was in Mentmore Close in
Kenton, just a few streets from where I lived for 15 years; technically in
Brent rather than Harrow.

>>>>>>> Bonnie Tyler #52,
>
>>>
>>> Looking at her discography on Wikipedia, she's more widely known than
>>> I thought - TEOTH went to #1 in America, for example.
>>
>> Yes, although that is a very American record. I don't think she does
>> that well over there now, but she's still popular in many other European
>> countries. Especially Northern Europe, though I'm trying to resist a
>> Lost In France pun at this stage.
>
> Not strongly enough, unfortunately... :)

Apparently the head of PR for her record company at the time promoted the
single by actually getting a load of journalists lost near Le Touquet.

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would expect this to go T10, TBH, just because they're a name act
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a following and have had some support for the single. They won't need
>>>>>> 10k sales will they?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately not, probably.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be even worse if they could sell a lot of copies?
>>>
>>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>>
>> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
>> think I can rule out their new single.
>
> Country Girl.

I thought that was likely. For chronological reasons, not because it's good.

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 15/05/2013 23:01, Chris Brown wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------

>>>

>>> On the contrary, it's not uncommon for a sample to be cleared in some
>>> countries and not others, be that because there are different record
>>> companies involved, or because the copyright holders want a different
>>> amount in a bigger market or whatever.
>>
>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
>> absurd!
>
> Does it?

Yes.

>
>>>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>>>
>>>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>>>> heard/remembered it...
>>>
>>> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if you
>>> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
>>> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era I
>>> especially liked.
>>
>> Would that be mid-90's?
>
> Yes, it's the first one from 1996, so it includes tracks from then and
> late 1995. Plus one from 1994 and a single that was originally released
> in 1962.

I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they
are usually �3.99 in local charity shops).

>
>>>> I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and
>>>> nearly half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old
>>>> NOW's, or vinyl rips, though.
>>>
>>> I have too many songs to load ones onto my player I don't expect to
>>> listen to.
>>
>> I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to shuffle...
>
> I know what you mean, but the capacity of my player is only a tiny
> fraction of my total collection.

So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p

I would guess maybe 3/4's of my collection (just over 4k songs) are on
my ipod.

>
>
>>>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>
>>>>
>>>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
>>>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.
>>>
>>> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say
>>> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.
>>
>> That's just bizarre.
>
> She's only following in the footsteps of David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Lady
> Gaga etc.

But she doesn't *need* to - her songs/singing voice stand out on their own!
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------

>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>
>>>> There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...
>>>>
>>>> 1. Its expensive
>>>
>>> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be
>>> very cheap indeed.
>>
>> 'Only'??
>
> Yeah, I had to pay that much for CDs for a long time, so it doesn't seem
> exhorbitant to me.

When did CD's ever cost *that* much??

>
>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>
>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs come
>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>
>> They do?
>
> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the
> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.

Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p

>>
>> It was a scene where Nicholas Lyndhurst's character was busking. I have
>> the series on (home-recorded) DVD, but can't be bothered looking for
>> which
>> episode that scene was from.
>
> The most famous bit of sitcom filming in my local area was the bit in
> Fawlty Towers where he attacks the car with a tree.

Or a small part of one, anyway... :)

It was in Mentmore
> Close in Kenton, just a few streets from where I lived for 15 years;
> technically in Brent rather than Harrow.

I thought Fawlty Towers was filmed in Torquay??

>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream

>>>>

>>>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>>>
>>> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
>>> think I can rule out their new single.
>>
>> Country Girl.
>
> I thought that was likely. For chronological reasons, not because it's
> good.

I just saw an uncut version of the video yesterday (one which I didn't
even know existed).

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

"Vidcapper" <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On 15/05/2013 23:01, Chris Brown wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, it's not uncommon for a sample to be cleared in some
>>>> countries and not others, be that because there are different record
>>>> companies involved, or because the copyright holders want a different
>>>> amount in a bigger market or whatever.
>>>
>>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
>>> absurd!
>>
>> Does it?
>
> Yes.

I'm not saying they aren't, just that there isn't a strong connection.

>>>>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>>>>
>>>>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>>>>> heard/remembered it...
>>>>
>>>> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if you
>>>> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
>>>> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era
>>>> I
>>>> especially liked.
>>>
>>> Would that be mid-90's?
>>
>> Yes, it's the first one from 1996, so it includes tracks from then and
>> late 1995. Plus one from 1994 and a single that was originally released
>> in 1962.
>
> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they are
> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).

My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.

>>>>> I recently checked the 'number of listens' figures on my iPod, and
>>>>> nearly half the songs had no listens. Most of those are from old
>>>>> NOW's, or vinyl rips, though.
>>>>
>>>> I have too many songs to load ones onto my player I don't expect to
>>>> listen to.
>>>
>>> I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to shuffle...
>>
>> I know what you mean, but the capacity of my player is only a tiny
>> fraction of my total collection.
>
> So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p

Or some more time to listen to it?

>>>>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
>>>>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's smiling.
>>>>
>>>> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say
>>>> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.
>>>
>>> That's just bizarre.
>>
>> She's only following in the footsteps of David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Lady
>> Gaga etc.
>
> But she doesn't *need* to - her songs/singing voice stand out on their
> own!

Whether she needs to or not, it's what she wants to do. I suppose having a
very high-concept image is one way to get noticed initially.

>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>
>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several reasons I don't buy vinyl...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Its expensive
>>>>
>>>> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be
>>>> very cheap indeed.
>>>
>>> 'Only'??
>>
>> Yeah, I had to pay that much for CDs for a long time, so it doesn't seem
>> exhorbitant to me.
>
> When did CD's ever cost *that* much??

About the first 15-20 years of their existence, including the time I bought
most of them. If you can find an HMV there are probably still CDs in there
that cost more than that.

>>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>>
>>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs
>>>> come
>>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>>
>>> They do?
>>
>> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the
>> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
>
> Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p

You think they should use plastic? :P
It's normally done through a code.

>>> It was a scene where Nicholas Lyndhurst's character was busking. I have
>>> the series on (home-recorded) DVD, but can't be bothered looking for
>>> which
>>> episode that scene was from.
>>
>> The most famous bit of sitcom filming in my local area was the bit in
>> Fawlty Towers where he attacks the car with a tree.
>
> Or a small part of one, anyway... :)

True.

> It was in Mentmore
>> Close in Kenton, just a few streets from where I lived for 15 years;
>> technically in Brent rather than Harrow.
>
> I thought Fawlty Towers was filmed in Torquay??

I don't know how much of it actually was: it's obviously set there but you
don't see many distinctive Torquay locations. Per Wikipedia, the hotel they
used for exterior shots was in Buckinghamshire. All the locations in that
episode are around here somewhere: the restaurant's on Preston Road and you
also see him drive past the Catholic church on Kenton Road. And in the next
episode there's an establishing shot of Northwick Park Hospital, which I
guess they'd have done on the same day. I presume they didn't bother to
disguise the name because the geography isn't clear to people outside the
local area.

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>
>>>>>
>>>>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
>>>> think I can rule out their new single.
>>>
>>> Country Girl.
>>
>> I thought that was likely. For chronological reasons, not because it's
>> good.
>
> I just saw an uncut version of the video yesterday (one which I didn't
> even know existed).

Now I'd be more interested in a cut version. If the song was what they cut.

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 16/05/2013 10:01, Chris Brown wrote:

>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------

>>>>

>>>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
>>>> absurd!
>>>
>>> Does it?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> I'm not saying they aren't, just that there isn't a strong connection.
>

Betwwen copyright deals, and absurdity?

>>>>>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>>>>>> heard/remembered it...
>>>>>
>>>>> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if
>>>>> you
>>>>> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
>>>>> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an era
>>>>> I
>>>>> especially liked.
>>>>
>>>> Would that be mid-90's?
>>>
>>> Yes, it's the first one from 1996, so it includes tracks from then and
>>> late 1995. Plus one from 1994 and a single that was originally released
>>> in 1962.
>>
>> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they are
>> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).
>
> My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.

I checked in the BHF shop today, and their NOW's were just �1.99 - but I
just didn't have time to plough right through their CD shelves...

>>>>
>>>> I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to shuffle...
>>>
>>> I know what you mean, but the capacity of my player is only a tiny
>>> fraction of my total collection.
>>
>> So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p
>
> Or some more time to listen to it?
>

That's the beauty of shuffle...

>>>>>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album covers -
>>>>>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's
>>>>>> smiling.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could say
>>>>> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.
>>>>
>>>> That's just bizarre.
>>>
>>> She's only following in the footsteps of David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Lady
>>> Gaga etc.
>>
>> But she doesn't *need* to - her songs/singing voice stand out on their
>> own!
>
> Whether she needs to or not, it's what she wants to do. I suppose having
> a very high-concept image is one way to get noticed initially.

I thought that's what the botox-stuffed lips were for? :p

>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------

>>>>>

>>>>> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can be
>>>>> very cheap indeed.
>>>>
>>>> 'Only'??
>>>
>>> Yeah, I had to pay that much for CDs for a long time, so it doesn't seem
>>> exhorbitant to me.
>>
>> When did CD's ever cost *that* much??
>
> About the first 15-20 years of their existence, including the time I
> bought most of them.

That would coincide with the period I wasn't following music, then.

If you can find an HMV there are probably still CDs
> in there that cost more than that.

Not surpriseig they'd still be there, then! :p

>
>>>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs
>>>>> come
>>>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>>>
>>>> They do?
>>>
>>> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the
>>> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
>>
>> Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p
>
> You think they should use plastic? :P
> It's normally done through a code.

But if you're gonna download it anyway, why bother with vinyl in the
first place?

>
>>>> It was a scene where Nicholas Lyndhurst's character was busking. I have
>>>> the series on (home-recorded) DVD, but can't be bothered looking for
>>>> which
>>>> episode that scene was from.
>>>
>>> The most famous bit of sitcom filming in my local area was the bit in
>>> Fawlty Towers where he attacks the car with a tree.
>>
>> Or a small part of one, anyway... :)
>
> True.
>
>> It was in Mentmore
>>> Close in Kenton, just a few streets from where I lived for 15 years;
>>> technically in Brent rather than Harrow.
>>
>> I thought Fawlty Towers was filmed in Torquay??
>
> I don't know how much of it actually was: it's obviously set there but
> you don't see many distinctive Torquay locations.

Not that I'd know them, anyway - I've only ever been there once, and
even that was just passing through on a coach.

>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
>>>>> think I can rule out their new single.
>>>>
>>>> Country Girl.
>>>
>>> I thought that was likely. For chronological reasons, not because it's
>>> good.
>>
>> I just saw an uncut version of the video yesterday (one which I didn't
>> even know existed).
>
> Now I'd be more interested in a cut version. If the song was what they cut.

How much % cut? ;)


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Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

"Vidcapper" <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:9%7lt.13191$EN2....@newsfe15.iad...

> On 16/05/2013 10:01, Chris Brown wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>
>>>>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
>>>>> absurd!
>>>>
>>>> Does it?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> I'm not saying they aren't, just that there isn't a strong connection.
>>
> Betwwen copyright deals, and absurdity?

I don't think the fact that they might differ in different countries is
especially absurd. Nor any more so than the alternative.

>>>>>>>> Haven't you got Now 33?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No - though even if I had, there's no guarantee I'd have
>>>>>>> heard/remembered it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be sure, but you could have gone back and listened to it now, if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> know the Passenger song well enough to compare.
>>>>>> IMO 33 is one of the best ones, but of course it does come from an
>>>>>> era
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> especially liked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would that be mid-90's?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's the first one from 1996, so it includes tracks from then and
>>>> late 1995. Plus one from 1994 and a single that was originally released
>>>> in 1962.
>>>
>>> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they
>>> are
>>> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).
>>
>> My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.
>
> I checked in the BHF shop today, and their NOW's were just �1.99 - but I
> just didn't have time to plough right through their CD shelves...

Bit pointless going in then? Last time I saw a Now in my local BHF it was
�3:99, which was too much... but then I bought it from a 1p seller on
Amazon.

>>>>> I don't *expect* to listen to any particular song, thanks to
>>>>> shuffle...
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean, but the capacity of my player is only a tiny
>>>> fraction of my total collection.
>>>
>>> So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p
>>
>> Or some more time to listen to it?
>>
> That's the beauty of shuffle...

It makes the day longer?

>>>>>>>>>>> Lana Del Rey (Y&B) #48,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a side issue, I wonder why she looks so dour on her album
>>>>>>> covers -
>>>>>>> she looks amazing in the pictures I've seen of her when she's
>>>>>>> smiling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's her carefully constructed image though. I suppose you could
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> that Lana Del Rey never smiles, only Lizzy Grant does.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just bizarre.
>>>>
>>>> She's only following in the footsteps of David Bowie, Alice Cooper,
>>>> Lady
>>>> Gaga etc.
>>>
>>> But she doesn't *need* to - her songs/singing voice stand out on their
>>> own!
>>
>> Whether she needs to or not, it's what she wants to do. I suppose having
>> a very high-concept image is one way to get noticed initially.
>
> I thought that's what the botox-stuffed lips were for? :p

If David Bowie had to do it, why shouldn't she?

>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This one was only �12:49 though. And of course secondhand vinyl can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> very cheap indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Only'??
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I had to pay that much for CDs for a long time, so it doesn't
>>>> seem
>>>> exhorbitant to me.
>>>
>>> When did CD's ever cost *that* much??
>>
>> About the first 15-20 years of their existence, including the time I
>> bought most of them.
>
> That would coincide with the period I wasn't following music, then.

Apparently so.

> If you can find an HMV there are probably still CDs
>> in there that cost more than that.
>
> Not surpriseig they'd still be there, then! :p

Mind you, the new Bowie album costs �14:99 in the V&A museum shop.

>>>>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the
>>>> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
>>>
>>> Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p
>>
>> You think they should use plastic? :P
>> It's normally done through a code.
>
> But if you're gonna download it anyway, why bother with vinyl in the first
> place?

Best of both worlds, surely?

>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Primal Scream
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I know is that I've only heard one of their songs I liked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder which of the half-dozen or so possibles that could be, but I
>>>>>> think I can rule out their new single.
>>>>>
>>>>> Country Girl.
>>>>
>>>> I thought that was likely. For chronological reasons, not because it's
>>>> good.
>>>
>>> I just saw an uncut version of the video yesterday (one which I didn't
>>> even know existed).
>>
>> Now I'd be more interested in a cut version. If the song was what they
>> cut.
>
> How much % cut? ;)

At least 100%, preferably.

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 18/05/2013 21:44, Chris Brown wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals are
>>>>>> absurd!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying they aren't, just that there isn't a strong connection.
>>>
>> Betwwen copyright deals, and absurdity?
>
> I don't think the fact that they might differ in different countries is
> especially absurd. Nor any more so than the alternative.

The absurdity lies in identical songs being OK in one country, but not
in another...

>>>>
>>>> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they
>>>> are
>>>> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).
>>>
>>> My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.
>>
>> I checked in the BHF shop today, and their NOW's were just �1.99 - but I
>> just didn't have time to plough right through their CD shelves...
>
> Bit pointless going in then?

Not really - I was going past anyway.

>>>>
>>>> So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p
>>>
>>> Or some more time to listen to it?
>>>
>> That's the beauty of shuffle...
>
> It makes the day longer?

No - because you don't feel obliged to listen to anything specific.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>

> Mind you, the new Bowie album costs �14:99 in the V&A museum shop.

The bigger surprise is that it's on sale there in the first place!

>
>>>>>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for the
>>>>> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p
>>>
>>> You think they should use plastic? :P
>>> It's normally done through a code.
>>
>> But if you're gonna download it anyway, why bother with vinyl in the
>> first
>> place?
>
> Best of both worlds, surely?

What's 'best' about vinyl? It is easily damaged, and doesn't sound good
compared to newer formats.

>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------

>>>

>>> Now I'd be more interested in a cut version. If the song was what they
>>> cut.
>>
>> How much % cut? ;)
>
> At least 100%, preferably.

Grin.

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Chris Brown]

"Vidcapper" <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:Tz_lt.12677$JB5....@newsfe26.iad...

> On 18/05/2013 21:44, Chris Brown wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That just reinforces my opinion that differential copyright deals
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> absurd!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying they aren't, just that there isn't a strong connection.
>>>>
>>> Betwwen copyright deals, and absurdity?
>>
>> I don't think the fact that they might differ in different countries is
>> especially absurd. Nor any more so than the alternative.
>
> The absurdity lies in identical songs being OK in one country, but not in
> another...

But to some extent that's inevitable anyway, as laws differ between
different countries.

>>>>> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they
>>>>> are
>>>>> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).
>>>>
>>>> My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.
>>>
>>> I checked in the BHF shop today, and their NOW's were just �1.99 - but I
>>> just didn't have time to plough right through their CD shelves...
>>
>> Bit pointless going in then?
>
> Not really - I was going past anyway.

You must have more willpower than I then.

>>>>> So you need either a bigger iPod, or smaller collection... :p
>>>>
>>>> Or some more time to listen to it?
>>>>
>>> That's the beauty of shuffle...
>>
>> It makes the day longer?
>
> No - because you don't feel obliged to listen to anything specific.

Yeah, but there's still a finite amount of time available.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>> Mind you, the new Bowie album costs �14:99 in the V&A museum shop.
>
> The bigger surprise is that it's on sale there in the first place!

It's part of the tie-in range with their exhibition of him:
http://www.vandashop.com/David-Bowie-Is-Exhibition-Ranges-Shop-By-Theme/b/2443493031?searchSize=24?utm_campaign=1930640&utm_content=1168378981&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision

>>>>>>>>> 3. CD/Downloads sound better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's highly debatable, but increasingly moot now that so many LPs
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> with a CD or download copy of the tracks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, so much so that somebody left a negative review on Amazon for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new Foals album because the vinyl didn't come with a download.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they *are* hard to put in a cardboard sleeve... :p
>>>>
>>>> You think they should use plastic? :P
>>>> It's normally done through a code.
>>>
>>> But if you're gonna download it anyway, why bother with vinyl in the
>>> first
>>> place?
>>
>> Best of both worlds, surely?
>
> What's 'best' about vinyl? It is easily damaged, and doesn't sound good
> compared to newer formats.

But as I've said elsewhere in the thread, not everyone agrees on the latter
point. Particularly IRO downloads which are by their nature compressed.
Some people like the look of vinyl too.

Chris

[Vidcapper]

On 19/05/2013 13:15, Chris Brown wrote:

>
>>>>>> I would buy more old 'NOW's', but ony if they are �2.99 or less (they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> usually �3.99 in local charity shops).
>>>>>
>>>>> My rule is �2 and I've only broken it once so far.
>>>>
>>>> I checked in the BHF shop today, and their NOW's were just �1.99 -
>>>> but I
>>>> just didn't have time to plough right through their CD shelves...
>>>
>>> Bit pointless going in then?
>>
>> Not really - I was going past anyway.
>
> You must have more willpower than I then.

Or less time/money... :p

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> Mind you, the new Bowie album costs �14:99 in the V&A museum shop.
>>
>> The bigger surprise is that it's on sale there in the first place!
>
> It's part of the tie-in range with their exhibition of him:
> http://www.vandashop.com/David-Bowie-Is-Exhibition-Ranges-Shop-By-Theme/b/2443493031?searchSize=24?utm_campaign=1930640&utm_content=1168378981&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision
>

Ah.

>>
>> What's 'best' about vinyl? It is easily damaged, and doesn't sound good
>> compared to newer formats.
>
> But as I've said elsewhere in the thread, not everyone agrees on the
> latter point. Particularly IRO downloads which are by their nature
> compressed.

They must have much better hearing than me then! :)

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett