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Thumper
May 9, 2013, 10:06:25 AM5/9/13
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Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer, Francesca for wasting �90
worth of beer as a result of messing up the figures, and Alex for looking
weird and not having beer for publican to taste.
Best looking girl, Uzma. She's from London, but what is her family
background? I'd guess Middle Eastern.
Most annoying bloke, Neil for claiming all the credit and thinking naming a
drink "a Bitter This" was original.
Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer, Francesca for wasting �90
worth of beer as a result of messing up the figures, and Alex for looking
weird and not having beer for publican to taste.
Best looking girl, Uzma. She's from London, but what is her family
background? I'd guess Middle Eastern.
Most annoying bloke, Neil for claiming all the credit and thinking naming a
drink "a Bitter This" was original.
CD
May 9, 2013, 2:58:46 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, Thumper wrote:
> Francesca for wasting �90
> worth of beer as a result of messing up the figures
Staggering, basic maths & they were all clueless.
> Francesca for wasting �90
> worth of beer as a result of messing up the figures
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CD
May 10, 2013, 3:54:12 AM5/10/13
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 00:13:02 +0200, Martin wrote:
>>Staggering, basic maths & they were all clueless.
>
> Including a medical doctor.
>>Staggering, basic maths & they were all clueless.
>
It's not as if they were using imperial measures, they were working in
litres, just multiply up your sample volume to the full volume.
They had smartphones, it looks to me like they weren't allowed to use the
calculator on them, not that that is an excuse, they had pen & paper.
I wouldn't feel safe if she were administering drugs.
I liked how the brewery guy just watched in disbelief before telling them
it was ruined.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
May 10, 2013, 5:55:38 AM5/10/13
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:12 +0100, CD <n...@way.ok> wrote:
>I wouldn't feel safe if she were administering drugs.
Drug dosage is not always simple linear arithmetic. It's safer for
>I wouldn't feel safe if she were administering drugs.
doctors to leave calculations up to the drug companies.
Steve
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Mike Hall
May 10, 2013, 6:18:13 PM5/10/13
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On 10/05/2013 11:01, Martin wrote:
> Drug companies providing drugs in various dosages isn't going to stop
> her making a mistake.
>
Doctors make errors all the time. The good thing though is that most
people don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
Mike Hall
> On Fri, 10 May 2013 10:55:38 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
> <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:12 +0100, CD <n...@way.ok> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't feel safe if she were administering drugs.
>>
>> Drug dosage is not always simple linear arithmetic. It's safer for
>> doctors to leave calculations up to the drug companies.
>
> If she can't cope with simple arithmetic, be very worried.
> <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:12 +0100, CD <n...@way.ok> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't feel safe if she were administering drugs.
>>
>> Drug dosage is not always simple linear arithmetic. It's safer for
>> doctors to leave calculations up to the drug companies.
>
> Drug companies providing drugs in various dosages isn't going to stop
> her making a mistake.
>
Doctors make errors all the time. The good thing though is that most
people don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
Mike Hall
Michael Swift
May 10, 2013, 8:17:27 PM5/10/13
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In article <Fmejt.8045$p05...@fx21.fr7>, Mike Hall
<tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
injuries was a shattered femur near my left knee.
Three months later they took the traction off and my leg was still
broken, this was a bit of a shock for someone who hadn't got a right leg
from an earlier accident.
They did a plate and bone graft where they discovered that a bit of
muscle had got between the shattered bone so it didn't knit together,
later x-rays later showed a weld type thingy where the bone was building
up, something totally missing from x-rays in the first 3 months.
The 'mister' not doctor who allegedly looked after me wasn't a novice
but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
As an aside I claimed against my mate who was driving, his idea and he
wasn't drunk, I saw more of the 'consultant' who should have looked
after me in one interview to asses my injuries than in the 7 months I
spent in hospital.
And yet you claim somebody corrects the error.
Mike
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Yorkshire Halvard Lange
<tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
>Doctors make errors all the time. The good thing though is that most people
>don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
I was a passenger in a nasty car crash in 1970, among the multiple
>don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
injuries was a shattered femur near my left knee.
Three months later they took the traction off and my leg was still
broken, this was a bit of a shock for someone who hadn't got a right leg
from an earlier accident.
They did a plate and bone graft where they discovered that a bit of
muscle had got between the shattered bone so it didn't knit together,
later x-rays later showed a weld type thingy where the bone was building
up, something totally missing from x-rays in the first 3 months.
The 'mister' not doctor who allegedly looked after me wasn't a novice
but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
As an aside I claimed against my mate who was driving, his idea and he
wasn't drunk, I saw more of the 'consultant' who should have looked
after me in one interview to asses my injuries than in the 7 months I
spent in hospital.
And yet you claim somebody corrects the error.
Mike
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Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
Mike Hall
May 10, 2013, 9:44:32 PM5/10/13
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On 11/05/2013 01:17, Michael Swift wrote:
> In article <Fmejt.8045$p05...@fx21.fr7>, Mike Hall
> <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
>> Doctors make errors all the time. The good thing though is that most
>> people
>> don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
> In article <Fmejt.8045$p05...@fx21.fr7>, Mike Hall
> <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
>> Doctors make errors all the time. The good thing though is that most
>> people
>> don't die from them. Normally someone corrects the error.
> The 'mister' not doctor who allegedly looked after me wasn't a novice
> but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
> and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
> another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
> months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
You got a bad roll on the dice :( This happens too many times and
> but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
> and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
> another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
> months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
fortunately this was not a life or death error.
"Mr" means that he is a surgeon but still a doctor. Surgeons are called
"Mr" or "Miss" because they did not use to have medical training per se
but were essentially human butchers, chopping off bits that weren't needed.
Mike Hall
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Michael Swift
May 11, 2013, 7:02:21 AM5/11/13
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In article <4ohjt.56385$a77....@fx18.fr7>, Mike Hall
<tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
experienced and certainly well paid.
The one who finally sorted things out with a plate and bone graft was
totally different, a gentleman, informative and approachable.
>"Mr" means that he is a surgeon but still a doctor. Surgeons are called "Mr"
>or "Miss" because they did not use to have medical training per se but were
>essentially human butchers, chopping off bits that weren't needed.
>
I was using mister in a sarcastic sense, from what I remember they could
be a bit sniffy if you didn't use the correct form of address.
<tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> writes
>> The 'mister' not doctor who allegedly looked after me wasn't a novice
>> but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
>> and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
>> another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
>> months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
>
>You got a bad roll on the dice :( This happens too many times and
>fortunately this was not a life or death error.
>
Probably not, but it should not have happened, he was allegedly
>> but a highly paid consultant, he missed what to me was a simple warning,
>> and I'm not a doctor, this cost me an extra 3 months in hospital plus
>> another month as my tin leg wouldn't then fit due to muscle wastage, 7
>> months in all when I should have been out in 3 months.
>
>You got a bad roll on the dice :( This happens too many times and
>fortunately this was not a life or death error.
>
experienced and certainly well paid.
The one who finally sorted things out with a plate and bone graft was
totally different, a gentleman, informative and approachable.
>"Mr" means that he is a surgeon but still a doctor. Surgeons are called "Mr"
>or "Miss" because they did not use to have medical training per se but were
>essentially human butchers, chopping off bits that weren't needed.
>
be a bit sniffy if you didn't use the correct form of address.
Graham C
May 12, 2013, 10:40:01 AM5/12/13
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 00:12:24 +0200, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>They won because they sold beer for under £2 a pint.
Re the selling of the £4 bottles at the festival - which were 'too
expensive'. I guess the rules state that they weren't allowed to say:
'Beer - £4 a bottle - collectors' item - on TV in a few weeks time -
will sell for at least a tenner on Ebay!'
GrahamC
>On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>
>The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>
>
>They won because they sold beer for under £2 a pint.
Re the selling of the £4 bottles at the festival - which were 'too
expensive'. I guess the rules state that they weren't allowed to say:
'Beer - £4 a bottle - collectors' item - on TV in a few weeks time -
will sell for at least a tenner on Ebay!'
GrahamC
Thumper
May 16, 2013, 9:20:34 AM5/16/13
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:0n7oo8d40108joc31...@4ax.com...
>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>
>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>
> The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
If I remember rightly from last week. Zee was negotiating around �85 a cask
and the buyer was considering, when Jason piped in that they could let him
have it for �75. Therefore losing the team �10 a cask.
>
> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>
Would've won by more if they'd charged closer to London prices.
> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>
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Thumper
May 17, 2013, 8:37:46 AM5/17/13
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:34 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:0n7oo8d40108joc31...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
>>>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>>>
>>> The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
>>
>>If I remember rightly from last week. Zee was negotiating around �85 a
>>cask
>>and the buyer was considering, when Jason piped in that they could let him
>>have it for �75. Therefore losing the team �10 a cask.
>
> Like I said the deal waasn't done.
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:0n7oo8d40108joc31...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots. Mainly
>>>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>>>
>>> The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
>>
>>If I remember rightly from last week. Zee was negotiating around �85 a
>>cask
>>and the buyer was considering, when Jason piped in that they could let him
>>have it for �75. Therefore losing the team �10 a cask.
>
The deal was done at �75, but it may have been done at �85 had Jason kept
quiet.
>
>>>
>>> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>>>
>>Would've won by more if they'd charged closer to London prices.
>
> No they wouldn't, because they would have sold less. They started with
>>>
>>> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>>>
>>Would've won by more if they'd charged closer to London prices.
>
> London prices and dropped the price until they were selling as fast as
> they could.
>
We both don't know they would've sold less. They only dropped to the lowest
price right at the end of the day.
>
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Thumper
May 17, 2013, 5:18:33 PM5/17/13
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:37:46 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:23nap8hds0hs1jjj6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:34 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:0n7oo8d40108joc31...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots.
>>>>>>Mainly
>>>>>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>>>>>
>>>>> The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
>>>>
>>>>If I remember rightly from last week. Zee was negotiating around �85 a
>>>>cask
>>>>and the buyer was considering, when Jason piped in that they could let
>>>>him
>>>>have it for �75. Therefore losing the team �10 a cask.
>>>
>>> Like I said the deal waasn't done.
>>
>>The deal was done at �75, but it may have been done at �85 had Jason kept
>>quiet.
>
> It may have been isn't the same as their claim that they had done the
>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:23nap8hds0hs1jjj6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:34 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:0n7oo8d40108joc31...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 15:06:25 +0100, "Thumper" <thum...@ntlworld.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Two episodes in and already some stand out characters and idiots.
>>>>>>Mainly
>>>>>>Jason for knocking down the cost of the beer,
>>>>>
>>>>> The deal hadn't actually been done when he did that.
>>>>
>>>>If I remember rightly from last week. Zee was negotiating around �85 a
>>>>cask
>>>>and the buyer was considering, when Jason piped in that they could let
>>>>him
>>>>have it for �75. Therefore losing the team �10 a cask.
>>>
>>> Like I said the deal waasn't done.
>>
>>The deal was done at �75, but it may have been done at �85 had Jason kept
>>quiet.
>
> deal, when Jason made the deal for �75.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>>>>>
>>>>Would've won by more if they'd charged closer to London prices.
>>>
>>> No they wouldn't, because they would have sold less. They started with
>>> London prices and dropped the price until they were selling as fast as
>>> they could.
>>>
>>We both don't know they would've sold less. They only dropped to the
>>lowest
>>price right at the end of the day.
>
> When they sold a fantastic amount.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They won because they sold beer for under �2 a pint.
>>>>>
>>>>Would've won by more if they'd charged closer to London prices.
>>>
>>> No they wouldn't, because they would have sold less. They started with
>>> London prices and dropped the price until they were selling as fast as
>>> they could.
>>>
>>We both don't know they would've sold less. They only dropped to the
>>lowest
>>price right at the end of the day.
>
>
> High turn over low profit per item is the secret to business success.
> It also made them the winners.
>
We could go round in circles with this. So I will stop.
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