Luan Peters in Go Girl pilot!

[Dry Gulch Pete]

http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1048386/Go_Girl_.jpg

Cop a look - Luan is very pretty!

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http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1047318/Howdy_.mp3

[JNugent]

On 09/03/2013 08:45, Dry Gulch Pete wrote:

> http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1048386/Go_Girl_.jpg
> Cop a look - Luan is very pretty!

I can't come to terms with "Luan" as a girl's name.

It was the Christian name of a (male) classmate at grammar school. I
shan't stick his surname out on the web, though.

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Unfortunate if it was pronounced "Lou-Anne"!

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[NY]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> I can't come to terms with "Luan" as a girl's name.
>
> It was the Christian name of a (male) classmate at grammar school. I
> shan't stick his surname out on the web, though.

It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong with names
like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none of this pretentious
stuff that children get saddled with these days.

On the subject of androgynous names, it's always bewildered me that some
French men are given names like Jean-Marie (as in Jean-Marie Le Pen), where
Marie is surely a female name. (OK, Jean is too - but this is Jean as the
French equivalent of John!)

[JNugent]

On 09/03/2013 20:06, NY wrote:

> "JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>> I can't come to terms with "Luan" as a girl's name.
>> It was the Christian name of a (male) classmate at grammar school. I
>> shan't stick his surname out on the web, though.

> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong with
> names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none of this
> pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.

To be fair, he'll be 62 or 63 now, having been born during the academic
year 1949-1950 (probably 1950).

> On the subject of androgynous names, it's always bewildered me that some
> French men are given names like Jean-Marie (as in Jean-Marie Le Pen),
> where Marie is surely a female name. (OK, Jean is too - but this is Jean

> as the French equivalent of John!).

I suspect that "Luan" is some sort of Gaelic male name which has been
adopted as a female name, much in the manner of "Shirley".

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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Luana is an Old German or Hebrew name meaning 'graceful battle maid' and was
popularized by the heroine of the stage play 'Bird of Paradise'.
There was a Hollywood actress called Luana Patten.
<from Name Your Baby by Lareina Rule>

Luan Peters (Carol Hirsch) copied Jean Peters' surname and found 'Luan' in
an atlas - it's in Russia, IIRC!

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[JNugent]

On 09/03/2013 23:34, Dry Gulch Pete wrote:

Wasn't Carol Hirsch the name of the girl in the BBC colour test card
(the one with the blackboard)?

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4214042/Test-card-girl-bemused-by-her-return-to-British-television.html

Now, see, that was Carole Hersee, see, so a different Carol altogether,
see?!

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[GordonD]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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That was Carol Hersee (according to Wiki).
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[Jon]

On 10/03/2013 9:58 am, GordonD wrote:

>>
>> Wasn't Carol Hirsch the name of the girl in the BBC colour test card
>> (the one with the blackboard)?
>
>
> That was Carol Hersee (according to Wiki).

Yeah, and she didn't half put the frighteners on Sam Tyler!

[John Dean]

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It's all over the continent - Jose Maria Olazabal, Erich Maria Remarque ...
touch of the RCs, I believe. Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.

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[JNugent]

In Italy, it's Mario, with Maria being the female version.

Marian can be a boy's name in the English-speaking world, though. Ask
the Wayne family.

[Truebrit]

>"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote: Marian can be a boy's name in

>the English-speaking world, though. Ask the Wayne family.
>

Don't you mean the Morrison family? BTW It is spelled Marion in his case.
Truebrit.

[JNugent]

I think the name was changed officially. JW's son is Patrick Wayne
rather than Patrick Morrison.

> BTW It is spelled Marion in his case.

OK

[GordonD]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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Doesn't necessarily follow. Martin Sheen (real name Ramon Estevez) has a
son called Charlie Sheen and another called Emilio Estevez.

[JNugent]

OK.

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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Saw Martin Sheen in Disneyland, Anaheim in 1978 - he was walking around on
his own.
He gave an "energetic" performance in Hawaii Five-O the other day, too.

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[John Dean]

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That doesn't quite cover it. Ram�n Antonio Gerardo Est�vez took the stage
name Martin Sheen. Ramon had four kids - Emilio, Ramon, Carlos and Renee.
They all became actors. Emilio and Renee use their real names. Carlos
adopted the stage name Charlie Sheen. Ramon sometimes uses his real name and
sometimes uses his stage name which is Ramon Sheen.

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[JNugent]

On 11/03/2013 17:38, John Dean wrote:
>
> "GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>>> Truebrit wrote:
>>>>> John Dean wrote:

>>>>>> "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>>>>>>> "JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>>>>>>>> I can't come to terms with "Luan" as a girl's name.
>>>>>>>> It was the Christian name of a (male) classmate at grammar
>>>>>>>> school. I shan't stick his surname out on the web, though.
>
>>>>>>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>>>>>>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane -
>>>>>>> none of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with
>>>>>>> these days.
>
>>>>>>> On the subject of androgynous names, it's always bewildered me that
>>>>>>> some French men are given names like Jean-Marie (as in Jean-Marie Le
>>>>>>> Pen), where Marie is surely a female name. (OK, Jean is too - but
>>>>>>> this is Jean as the French equivalent of John!)
>
>>>>>> It's all over the continent - Jose Maria Olazabal, Erich Maria

>>>>>> Remarque touch of the RCs, I believe. Not to mention Shirley

>>>>>> Crabtree.
>
>>>>> In Italy, it's Mario, with Maria being the female version.

>>>>> Marian can be a boy's name in the English-speaking world,
>>>>> though. Ask the Wayne family.
>
>>>> Don't you mean the Morrison family?
>
>>> I think the name was changed officially. JW's son is Patrick Wayne
>>> rather than Patrick Morrison.
>
>> Doesn't necessarily follow. Martin Sheen (real name Ramon Estevez)
>> has a son called Charlie Sheen and another called Emilio Estevez.
>
> That doesn't quite cover it. Ram�n Antonio Gerardo Est�vez took the
> stage name Martin Sheen. Ramon had four kids - Emilio, Ramon, Carlos and
> Renee. They all became actors. Emilio and Renee use their real names.
> Carlos adopted the stage name Charlie Sheen. Ramon sometimes uses his
> real name and sometimes uses his stage name which is Ramon Sheen.

There's another one...

Emily / Emilie / Emilia

Emilio / Emil

[Felicity S.]

John wrote:

> NY wrote:

>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none
>> of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.

> Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.

The name Shirley is an interesting case, since it changed gender due
to the novel "Shirley" by Charlotte Bronte, about a strong & resourceful
young woman who symbolically had the (until then) MALE name of Shirley.


Fliss

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He said: I don't know. So he could use a carpool lane.

[NY]

"Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>
>> NY wrote:
>
>>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none
>>> of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.
>
>> Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.
>
> The name Shirley is an interesting case, since it changed gender due
> to the novel "Shirley" by Charlotte Bronte, about a strong & resourceful
> young woman who symbolically had the (until then) MALE name of Shirley.

Likewise for Beverley and Hilary which I think of as being exclusively
female names. I remember being quite shocked when I first heard of a man
(maybe Hilary Benn, son of the MP Tony Benn) with a "woman's name".

Obviously you get names like Leslie/Lesley but at least in that case the
male and female names are almost always spelled differently (apart from
people like actress Leslie Ash).

And we haven't got on to "boy named Sue" yet!

[John Dean]

"NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

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Always found it interesting that there was a real boy named Sue involved in
the Monkey Trial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_K._Hicks

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[John Dean]

"Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>
>> NY wrote:
>
>>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none
>>> of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.
>
>> Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.
>
> The name Shirley is an interesting case, since it changed gender due
> to the novel "Shirley" by Charlotte Bronte, about a strong & resourceful
> young woman who symbolically had the (until then) MALE name of Shirley.
>

Indeed. And Charlotte pretended to be a man to get the novel published under
her pseudonym Currer Bell.

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[Felicity S.]

John Dean wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> NY wrote:

>>>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>>>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none
>>>> of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.

>>> Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.

>> The name Shirley is an interesting case, since it changed gender due
>> to the novel "Shirley" by Charlotte Bronte, about a strong & resourceful
>> young woman who symbolically had the (until then) MALE name of Shirley.

> Indeed. And Charlotte pretended to be a man to get the novel published
> under her pseudonym Currer Bell.

That's right, but the point (for us) about the novel is the eponymous
character was given the name Shirley because it was *very* male.

Imagine a world where a woman pretends that her name is John Dean in
order to be treated seriously, and so a century later everybody 'knows'
that John is a girl's name and it's hard to persuade them otherwise.


Fliss

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He said: Let's make love on a mountain top, under the stars on a big hard rock.
She said: In these shoes? I don't think so. Honey, let's do it right here.

[John Dean]

"Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote in message
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> John Dean wrote:
>
>> Felicity S. wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>> NY wrote:
>
>>>>> It sounds a pretty naff name whether male or female. What's wrong
>>>>> with names like Richard, John, David, Elizabeth, Sarah, Jane - none
>>>>> of this pretentious stuff that children get saddled with these days.
>
>>>> Not to mention Shirley Crabtree.
>
>>> The name Shirley is an interesting case, since it changed gender due
>>> to the novel "Shirley" by Charlotte Bronte, about a strong & resourceful
>>> young woman who symbolically had the (until then) MALE name of Shirley.
>
>> Indeed. And Charlotte pretended to be a man to get the novel published
>> under her pseudonym Currer Bell.
>
> That's right, but the point (for us) about the novel is the eponymous
> character was given the name Shirley because it was *very* male.
>
> Imagine a world where a woman pretends that her name is John Dean in
> order to be treated seriously, and so a century later everybody 'knows'
> that John is a girl's name and it's hard to persuade them otherwise.
>
>
> Fliss
>

I remember when Fliss Eliot was Colonel of the SAS, he said his name had
never been a barrier to promotion.

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[Felicity S.]

John Dean wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> John Dean wrote:

>> Imagine a world where a woman pretends that her name is John Dean in
>> order to be treated seriously, and so a century later everybody 'knows'
>> that John is a girl's name and it's hard to persuade them otherwise.

> I remember when Fliss Eliot was Colonel of the SAS, he said his name had
> never been a barrier to promotion.

Was his name short for Felicity?


Fliss

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[Gordon Freeman]

"GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> "JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:aq24dh...@mid.individual.net...

>> Wasn't Carol Hirsch the name of the girl in the BBC colour test card
>> (the one with the blackboard)?
>
> That was Carol Hersee (according to Wiki).

I always thought that she was left-handed and that the testcard photo
was reversed to make her look right-handed because of some BBC bigot
complaining, but the wiki article doesn't mention the issue at all.
Searching around it seems her dad (who designed the testcard) later went
on record as saying she was not left handed. But he also admitted on
another occasion that they did reverse the photo. So she *was* holding
the chalk in her left hand originally. But *not* because she was left
handed.... er....

After banging my head on a wall for a while I came up with this
explanation: the photographer posed her with the blackboard to her
right, which meant she had to sit with the chalk in her left hand even
though she was right handed. Her dad noticed she had the chalk in the
wrong hand and fixed it by reversing the photo. What he failed to
realise was that the clown was now also reversed, and a clown pictured
backwards TURNS INTO SATAN!

This is why so many children used to have nightmares about the clown
crawling out of the TV set (as a google of the blogosphere will reveal).

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[Dry Gulch Pete]

On Mar 26, 5:04 am, Gordon Freeman <Gor...@freeman.invalid> wrote:
> "GordonD" <g.da...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > "JNugent" <jennings...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

> >news:aq24dh...@mid.individual.net...
> >> Wasn't Carol Hirsch the name of the girl in the BBC colour test card
> >> (the one with the blackboard)?
>
> > That was Carol Hersee (according to Wiki).
>
> I always thought that she was left-handed and that the testcard photo
> was reversed to make her look right-handed because of some BBC bigot
> complaining, but the wiki article doesn't mention the issue at all.
> Searching around it seems her dad (who designed the testcard) later went
> on record as saying she was not left handed. But he also admitted on
> another occasion that they did reverse the photo. So she *was* holding
> the chalk in her left hand originally. But *not* because she was left
> handed....  er....
>
> After banging my head on a wall for a while I came up with this
> explanation: the photographer posed her with the blackboard to her
> right, which meant she had to sit with the chalk in her left hand even
> though she was right handed. Her dad noticed she had the chalk in the
> wrong hand and fixed it by reversing the photo. What he failed to
> realise was that the clown was now also reversed, and a clown pictured
> backwards TURNS INTO SATAN!
>
> This is why so many children used to have nightmares about the clown
> crawling out of the TV set (as a google of the blogosphere will reveal).

That would make a terrific movie!

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