Politicians banning Christmas
alexand...@googlemail.com
major celebration of the Christian year. Xmas was originally the pagan
festival of Yuletide in England, along with various other events in
different parts of Europe around the same time of year, when
Christianity came to Europe the Church persuaded the natives to
remember Christ's birth at Yuletide. There is no evidence that He was
actually born at that time of year. The pagan origins of Xmas explain
why it becomes an orgy of gluttony for many.
Christians are really a minority today, paganism is dominant in the
West, with people making their own beliefs, the rot really set in with
official support of Darwin's theory of evolution. The major threat to
Christianity is not Islam but official atheism promoted by
politicians, who regard any religion as a threat to their power.
First they come for the Muslims, then they come for the Christians,
and so on.
AC
<alexand...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Don't be stupid.
Xmas represents a HUGE boost in retail sales. HUGE boost in sales mean HUGE
boost in TAX.......... That alone is good enough reason for even a nazi
muslim government of the UK to not mess with Xmas.
Now use those cells that are supposed to be your brain.
AC
The gods have made us mad
Firstly, Christmas *is* a pagan festival, usurped by the church to give
an arbitrary advent date.
Christians are enjoined not to celebrate such days! - but to count every
day holy until Christ returns.
It is also the most ridiculous date to choose for the birth of Christ.
The Romans wanted a tax raising census - being eminently practical
people they would have undoubtedly arranged for it to take place in the
spring or early summer.
Not only would travelling have been at its easiest, but such a date
would also have fitted in with agricultural considerations - perhaps,
just after the first harvest and the second sowing of the year.
No Roman governor would have arranged for such a massive migration to
take place in the winter!
So, although the date of Christ's birth is unknown (and unimportant) it
is most likely to have occurred in May or June.
Secondly, as most people no longer have even the most basic notion of
*what* Christmas is supposed to celebrate, it would be the easiest thing
in the world to change the name of this annual spend-fest, thus leaving
the revenues in place.
I suspect that most people would neither notice, nor care.
Svenne
<sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>Firstly, Christmas *is* a pagan festival, usurped by the church to give
>an arbitrary advent date.
There are also powerful symbolic reasons for having chosen the time of
the winter solstice for Christmas.
>Christians are enjoined not to celebrate such days! - but to count every
>day holy until Christ returns.
Do you really believe that the bloke on a stick is coming back?
>It is also the most ridiculous date to choose for the birth of Christ.
>The Romans wanted a tax raising census - being eminently practical
>people they would have undoubtedly arranged for it to take place in the
>spring or early summer.
>Not only would travelling have been at its easiest, but such a date
>would also have fitted in with agricultural considerations - perhaps,
>just after the first harvest and the second sowing of the year.
>No Roman governor would have arranged for such a massive migration to
>take place in the winter!
>So, although the date of Christ's birth is unknown (and unimportant) it
>is most likely to have occurred in May or June.
The reason for placing Christmas at the time of the winter solstice is
that it would have made it easier for Christianity to usurp and
replace the old religions of Europe.
People were used to the idea of the birth of the new Sun and days
becoming longer as new light started to dawn on the Earth. This would
have made it much easier for the Jesusists to re-focus worship to
their man-god who they claimed brought light into the world, an event
they very handiliy placed at the time of the winter solstice, no doubt
with this symbolism in mind.
Svenne
Amethyst Deceiver
"alexand...@googlemail.com" <alexand...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Did you have a point to make? You seem to have forgotten what it was.
AgitProp
Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
- Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
Fevric J. Glandules
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:30:45 +0000, The gods have made us mad
> <sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>
>>So, although the date of Christ's birth is unknown (and unimportant) it
>>is most likely to have occurred in May or June.
>
> It never happened.
Hardcore, man.
Djornsk
The Christians should know wherein lies their salvation, but to whom do
the atheists turn in the face of "satan and all the evil spirits, who
roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls"?
>
> First they come for the Muslims, then they come for the Christians,
> and so on.
j
The gods have made us mad
> It never happened. There is no god. FFS,grow up<<
Wow!!!! - tough choice!
Do I believe the word of a Saviour whom I have trusted for nearly 50
years, someone who has loved me, guided me, protected me, blessed me,
and comforted me - or do I accept the foul-mouthed utterances of an
internet nobody?....
Hmmmmmm, let me sleep on it....
The dog from that film you saw
"The gods have made us mad" <sta...@destruction.com> wrote in message
news:hebc13$20m4$1...@energise.enta.net...
in fairness, the internet nobody has proven his existence by sending you a
personal message.........
now it's the other guy's turn.
--
Gareth.
that fly...... is your magic wand....
http://dsbdsb.mybrute.com
you fight better when you have a bear!
The gods have made us mad
>
> "The gods have made us mad" <sta...@destruction.com> wrote in message
> news:hebc13$20m4$1...@energise.enta.net...
>> Jaf wrote:
>>
>>> It never happened. There is no god. FFS,grow up<<
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow!!!! - tough choice!
>>
>> Do I believe the word of a Saviour whom I have trusted for nearly 50
>> years, someone who has loved me, guided me, protected me, blessed me,
>> and comforted me - or do I accept the foul-mouthed utterances of an
>> internet nobody?....
>>
>> Hmmmmmm, let me sleep on it....
>
>
>
>
> in fairness, the internet nobody has proven his existence by sending you
> a personal message.........
> now it's the other guy's turn.<<
A 'message'???
All creation tells me that God is alive!, that He created the heavens
and the earth!, that He brought forth the galaxies and constellations
from nothing by the word of His power!
What, exactly, has our internet friend created?
Col
>
> What, exactly, has our internet friend created?
An irate Christian?
Col
Halmyre
So where did "He" come from?
--
Halmyre
This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your
head clean off.
Amethyst Deceiver
Apparentlyl you're already mad, so what's to think about?
Amethyst Deceiver
And at least one madman.
>What, exactly, has our internet friend created?
Some very nice t-shirts.
Amethyst Deceiver
<baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>- Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
Amethyst Deceiver
>The Christians should know wherein lies their salvation, but to whom do
>the atheists turn in the face of "satan and all the evil spirits, who
>roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls"?
They don't believe in God, what on earth makes you think they're
worried about Satan, you fool?
Col
"Halmyre" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
news:MPG.257358c23...@news.tesco.net...
>
> So where did "He" come from?
>
You might as well ask where did the universe come from or
what happened *before* the Big Bang?
Perhaps they just 'popped' into existence?
Col
yaffle53
> > All creation tells me that God is alive!, that He created the heavens
> > and the earth!, that He brought forth the galaxies and constellations
> > from nothing by the word of His power!
>
> So where did "He" come from?
Well, his mummy and daddy loved each other very much. Then one day....
Cheers
Jeff
The dog from that film you saw
>> in fairness, the internet nobody has proven his existence by sending you
>> a personal message.........
>> now it's the other guy's turn.<<
>
>
>
> A 'message'???
>
> All creation tells me that God is alive!, that He created the heavens and
> the earth!, that He brought forth the galaxies and constellations from
> nothing by the word of His power!
proof?
and even if it was done by a super being, how do you know it wasn't allah or
buddah? - or the sikh god?
The dog from that film you saw
"Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:IdidnRuIzcZq1pTW...@bt.com...
sometimes it's ok to be honest - and say nobody knows and maybe never will.
it's far too simple for someone to say 'because i can't say how we are all
here, i shall choose to believe it was in the way those people there say '
AgitProp
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>
Jews don't celebrate Christmas. And people celebrate with their
families - and not with their colleagues. ...but of course you are
probably referring to one of those November to - early December, piss-
up parties or as in your case "lunch".
Djornsk
> On 2009-11-22, Djornsk <djo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> alexand...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>> The Christians should know wherein lies their salvation, but to whom do
>> the atheists turn in the face of "satan and all the evil spirits, who
>> roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls"?
>
> spirits" than they do in your stupid non-existent "God".
>
>
For atheist read believer wearing a spiritual blindfold - ie someone who
chooses to walk in the dark.
j
Djornsk
Exactly - they are blind to both Saviour and Predator.
j
Col
"The dog from that film you saw" <d...@removethisbitbtinternet.com> wrote in
message news:7mt112F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:IdidnRuIzcZq1pTW...@bt.com...
>>
>> "Halmyre" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.257358c23...@news.tesco.net...
>>
>>>
>>> So where did "He" come from?
>>>
>>
>> You might as well ask where did the universe come from or
>> what happened *before* the Big Bang?
>> Perhaps they just 'popped' into existence?
>>
>> Col
>>
>
>
>
> sometimes it's ok to be honest - and say nobody knows and maybe never
> will.
> it's far too simple for someone to say 'because i can't say how we are
> all here, i shall choose to believe it was in the way those people there
> say '
>
I honestly don't know :)
I take the Agnostic position on God.
I 'don't know' but also feel that his existence (or not)
is intrinsically 'unknowable'.
Col
Svenne
<sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>All creation tells me that God is alive!, that He created the heavens
>and the earth!, that He brought forth the galaxies and constellations
>from nothing by the word of His power!
Of all the gods being touted about, how do you know the god you happen
to believe in is the right one?
There are lots of equally sincere folks with entirely different gods
than yours who say that their god is the right one.
Surely they can't all be right.
Svenne
William Black
> On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>
>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>>> - Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>>> in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>>> Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>>> as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
>> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
>> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>
> Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
All the major religions celebrate the winter solstice in some manner,
usually involving lights and gifts and feasting
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Chris X
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hebmsb$2d6$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> AgitProp wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>>
>>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>>>> - Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>>>> in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>>>> Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>>>> as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>>> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
>>> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
>>> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>>
>> Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>
> All the major religions celebrate the winter solstice in some manner,
> usually involving lights and gifts and feasting
I refer you Blackie to the word "Christmas".
William Black
Who gives a shit what it's called?
Chris X
> Chris X wrote:
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hebmsb$2d6$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> AgitProp wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>>>>
>>>>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>>>>>> - Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>>>>>> in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>>>>>> Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>>>>>> as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>>>>> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
>>>>> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
>>>>> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>>>> Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>>> All the major religions celebrate the winter solstice in some manner,
>>> usually involving lights and gifts and feasting
>>
>> I refer you Blackie to the word "Christmas".
>
> Who gives a shit what it's called?
Most people.
Meng
>
> Christians are really a minority today
Thankfully
> the rot really set in with official support of Darwin's theory of evolution.
Rot's not the right word. Sanity is the right word.
Halmyre
@yahoo.co.uk says...
Most people are too busy stuffing their faces with food and drink and
watching the special edition of Eastenders to really care a toss, until the
Daily Mail makes up another rumour about some PC council banning the use of
the word "Christmas", in which case they immediately get some sort of
misplaced sense of outrage.
The gods have made us mad
unch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>
> Jews don't celebrate Christmas<
Mr Marks and Mr Spencer do ;)
The gods have made us mad
It's good to see so many young atheists out enjoying themselves - is it
some sort of organised excursion?
Alang
Atheist
A word coined by the deluded to describe anyone not sharing their
delusions
Amethyst Deceiver
<nutter.nutterc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:42:23 +0000, in uk.media.tv.misc The gods have
>made us mad <sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>
>>All creation tells me that God is alive!, that He created the heavens
>>and the earth!, that He brought forth the galaxies and constellations
>>from nothing by the word of His power!
>
>Nurse!
You called?
The gods have made us mad
> his creation, which is what the monotheists claim.<<
Actually, the idea of the universe just 'happening' is just about *the*
most ridiculous assumption that it's possible to make.
Beside which, there are plenty of other things to encourage a belief in
the existence of God.
Let's assume, for example, that this world *did* just happen to come
into being, and that humans *did* just happen to evolve from a primeval
swamp into the masters of that earth.
If that were so, evolution would have relentlessly continued to
eradicate every trait and impulse that was prejudicial to the survival
of the human species.
Thus, by now, we would all be living in perfect harmony, all
co-operating with each other, all focussed on a greater good, all
content to share, and all eschewing destructive wars waged through greed
and corruption.
Instead of which, we inhabit a world that has never known greater chaos,
inequality, and political turbulence.
The sensible belief must, surely, be that we are more than the sum of
our parts, more than just molecules, that we have *something*
indefinable inside us that impels us to make irrational decisions, to
covet, to hate, to destroy - as well as love, and nurture, and commit
selfless acts of heroism that are incompatible with our personal safety?
A 'soul', perhaps?.....
If you've ever been at bedside of a dying person you will be aware that,
immediately after the moment of death, 'something' seems to be missing
from the room.
The corpse is still there, the flowers still on the bedside cabinet, the
loved ones still seated around the bed - all seemingly as it was a
minute previously, yet all has changed.
At the moment of death, the soul (or, rather, the *real* essence of the
deceased person) departs - and, though all may appear ostensibly to be
the 'same', yet there is an unmistakable sense of that soul having departed.
The question, of course, is *where* does that soul depart *to*?
Which is where Jesus comes in.........
Amethyst Deceiver
<baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 1:29�am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>
>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>> >- Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>> >in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>> >Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>> >as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>>
>> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
>> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
>> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>
>Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
You don't say.
>And people celebrate with their
>families - and not with their colleagues.
Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't write
about "celebrating Christmas". I wrote about what my Jewish colleagues
and I do. Strange but true: people do not conform to your narrow
views.
>...but of course you are
>probably referring to one of those November to - early December, piss-
>up parties or as in your case "lunch".
Or then again, probably not.
Dead Mangled Pigeon
"The gods have made us mad" <sta...@destruction.com> wrote
> The question, of course, is *where* does that soul depart *to*?
>
> Which is where Jesus comes in.........
<Roared!>
nick 'does my turban look ok' griffin
>
> >> The Christians should know wherein lies their salvation, but to whom do
> >> the atheists turn in the face of "satan and all the evil spirits, who
> >> roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls"?
>
> > They don't believe in God, what on earth makes you think they're
> > worried about Satan, you fool?
>
> Exactly - they are blind to both Saviour and Predator.
>
> j
and Alien
Dead Mangled Pigeon
"AgitProp" <baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote
> Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
Oh, really?
I must have imagined it.
The gods have made us mad
Ah, you'll have to excuse me - but I don't know many 'atheists', and am
unfamiliar with the noises they make.
Can I take it that, <Roared> is the atheist's way of announcing that
they can't refute the argument?
Thought so....
AgitProp
> In article <IYSdnaficLBV_JTWnZ2dnUVZ7radn...@giganews.com>, Chris_X2006
> @yahoo.co.uk says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:hebn90$2d6$7...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > Chris X wrote:
So if it is not that important why bother change it?
If it ain't broken don't fix it. Nobody is forcing the
jews to live in a "backward" and "oppressive"
Christmas-celebrating country. - Move to Israel
and celebrate Chanukkah instead. End of story.
Halmyre
> Nutter Cracker wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:33:07 -0000, in uk.media.tv.misc "Col"
> > <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Halmyre" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.257358c23...@news.tesco.net...
> >
> >>> So where did "He" come from?
> >
> >> You might as well ask where did the universe come from or
> >> what happened *before* the Big Bang?
> >> Perhaps they just 'popped' into existence?
> >
> > But a God who just popped into existence cannot then be greater than
> > his creation, which is what the monotheists claim.<<
>
>
>
> Actually, the idea of the universe just 'happening' is just about *the*
> most ridiculous assumption that it's possible to make.
>
> Beside which, there are plenty of other things to encourage a belief in
> the existence of God.
>
But who created "God"? Or did he just pop into existence?
AgitProp
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:28:17 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>
>
>
> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>
> >> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
> >> >- Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
> >> >in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
> >> >Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
> >> >as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>
> >> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
> >> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
> >> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>
> >Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>
> You don't say.
>
> >And people celebrate with their
> >families - and not with their colleagues.
>
> Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't write
> about "celebrating Christmas". I wrote about what my Jewish colleagues
> and I do. Strange but true: people do not conform to your narrow
> views.
What "narrow" views?
> >...but of course you are
> >probably referring to one of those November to - early December, piss-
> >up parties or as in your case "lunch".
>
> Or then again, probably not.
...in which case "they" wouldn't be jewish...
Col
"The gods have made us mad" <sta...@destruction.com> wrote in message
news:hebq0n$2mtq$1...@energise.enta.net...
> Nutter Cracker wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:33:07 -0000, in uk.media.tv.misc "Col"
>> <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Halmyre" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.257358c23...@news.tesco.net...
>>
>>>> So where did "He" come from?
>>
>>> You might as well ask where did the universe come from or
>>> what happened *before* the Big Bang?
>>> Perhaps they just 'popped' into existence?
>>
>> But a God who just popped into existence cannot then be greater than
>> his creation, which is what the monotheists claim.<<
>
>
>
> Actually, the idea of the universe just 'happening' is just about *the*
> most ridiculous assumption that it's possible to make.
No more ridiculous an assumption than God (who has presumably
*always* existed) one day decides to create the universe.
> Beside which, there are plenty of other things to encourage a belief in
> the existence of God.
>
> Let's assume, for example, that this world *did* just happen to come into
> being, and that humans *did* just happen to evolve from a primeval swamp
> into the masters of that earth.
>
> If that were so, evolution would have relentlessly continued to eradicate
> every trait and impulse that was prejudicial to the survival of the human
> species.
No, evolution works on the basis of survival of the fittest & best
adapted to their particular environment.
Yes, we fight over territory, and in that respect we are no different
to animals, because we *are* animals.
Col
AgitProp
<qrnq_znatyrq_cvt...@zfa.pbz> wrote:
> "AgitProp" <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote
>
> > Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>
> Oh, really?
>
> I must have imagined it.
No you didn't imagine it! - They were sitting
next to that moslem gentlemen ....the one with
the catholic collar.... Now pass the joint! :))
aquachimp
> AgitProp wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:37:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>
> >> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
> >>> - Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
> >>> in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
> >>> Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
> >>> as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
> >> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
> >> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
> >> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>
> > Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>
> All the major religions celebrate the winter solstice in some manner,
> usually involving lights and gifts and feasting
>
>
I misread that last word and thought it said teasing
AgitProp
> The entity calling itself AgitProp wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Or then again, probably not.
>
> > ...in which case "they" wouldn't be jewish...
>
> I think it is.
> You lose.
Judaism IS a religion - google it!
> --
> full strength gael
Lou Ravi
> Amethyst Deceiver wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> The Christians should know wherein lies their salvation, but to
>>> whom do the atheists turn in the face of "satan and all the evil
>>> spirits, who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls"?
>>
>> They don't believe in God, what on earth makes you think they're
>> worried about Satan, you fool?
>
> Exactly - they are blind to both Saviour and Predator.
Ignorance is bliss.
aquachimp
<star...@destruction.com> wrote:
> Jaf wrote:
> > It never happened. There is no god. FFS,grow up<<
>
> Wow!!!! - tough choice!
>
> Do I believe the word of a Saviour whom I have trusted for nearly 50
> years, someone who has loved me, guided me, protected me, blessed me,
> and comforted me - or do I accept the foul-mouthed utterances of an
> internet nobody?....
>
> Hmmmmmm, let me sleep on it....
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I
thought as a child: But when I became a man, I put away childish
things." -- First Corinthians 13:11.
The childish thing there is religion.
To borrow from a comment I previously made
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.media.tv.misc/msg/8134c108c4c7788f
I believe that God exists in a form akin to a biological trick... a
psycho-evolutionary trait, if you will. Emotions are possibly one such
form. In the case of religious belief, it stems from spiritualism and
superstition.
So, God exists just like, say, a hormone, A hormone being a sort of
messenger, in this case to display what is going on within a person.
Obviously, not an analogy to favour believers who would retort that
god can not be like a hormone... a messenger, but the sender / creator
of the message. They would be missing the message, and who can say
it's not from God?
In your case, I suggest the following:
Your religious beliefs provide you with a moral compass; But that is
not to say they are derived from truth, which is ironic for a moral
compass, but that's life.
When it comes to Christmas you dip into that instinct to garner
energies to feel uplifted; to sing "Joy to the world" to maintain hope
and sing lullabies like "Silent Night" for reassuring comfort.
Fair enough. No great harm in that, it would be boring if we only had
"Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" to sing.
BUT;
A problem does arise when you feel the need to do as you are now
doing, preaching. You see, that smacks of a basic, deep down
insecurity. Your subconscious instincts are on the one hand giving you
your religious passions, whilst on the other-hand warning you about
them.
That insecurity is as much you as your spirituality and it telling you
that after 50 years, maybe you're ready to try giving growing-up a
chance.
jonny
> 'Christmas' isn't really a Christian festival though, Easter is the
> major celebration of the Christian year. Xmas was originally the pagan
> festival of Yuletide in England, along with various other events in
> different parts of Europe around the same time of year, when
> Christianity came to Europe the Church persuaded the natives to
> remember Christ's birth at Yuletide. There is no evidence that He was
> actually born at that time of year. The pagan origins of Xmas explain
> why it becomes an orgy of gluttony for many.
The early Roman Catholic church set the date at December 25th because
that was the winter solstice in the Roman calendar, there is no date
given in the bible for the birth of Jesus (or any other event for that
matter).
And I won't even mention Mithras :)
>
> Christians are really a minority today, paganism is dominant in the
> West, with people making their own beliefs, the rot really set in with
> official support of Darwin's theory of evolution. The major threat to
> Christianity is not Islam but official atheism promoted by
> politicians, who regard any religion as a threat to their power.
>
> First they come for the Muslims, then they come for the Christians,
> and so on.
Halmyre
says...
> alexand...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > 'Christmas' isn't really a Christian festival though, Easter is the
> > major celebration of the Christian year. Xmas was originally the pagan
> > festival of Yuletide in England, along with various other events in
> > different parts of Europe around the same time of year, when
> > Christianity came to Europe the Church persuaded the natives to
> > remember Christ's birth at Yuletide. There is no evidence that He was
> > actually born at that time of year. The pagan origins of Xmas explain
> > why it becomes an orgy of gluttony for many.
>
> The early Roman Catholic church set the date at December 25th because
> that was the winter solstice in the Roman calendar, there is no date
> given in the bible for the birth of Jesus (or any other event for that
> matter).
>
So a date of which they are unsure is set in stone, and a date they can fix
wanders all over the bloody place.
Mark Goodge
typed:
That's because the date that can be fixed is fixed in the calendar
it's fixed in - that is, the lunar calendar, not the solar calendar.
Mark
--
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk
james
<reddw...@btinternet.com> writes
>I honestly don't know :)
If you're a gambler, stick with Pascal. JF
Osric
<alexand...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1d28e101-e32c-4e6d...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> 'Christmas' isn't really a Christian festival though, Easter is the
> major celebration of the Christian year. Xmas was originally the pagan
> festival of Yuletide in England, along with various other events in
> different parts of Europe around the same time of year, when
> Christianity came to Europe the Church persuaded the natives to
> remember Christ's birth at Yuletide. There is no evidence that He was
> actually born at that time of year. The pagan origins of Xmas explain
> why it becomes an orgy of gluttony for many.
Easter gets its name from the Germanic fertility goddess Oestre, hence
oestrogen, and why we indulge in high energy chocolate egg shaped fertility
symbols and think about rabbits, for obvious reasons. Sorry, you nicked that
one too.
Christmas feasting and gluttony is in fact the entirely sensible practice of
stuffing your face with all the perishable produce and stock that cannot be
fed over-winter so as to covert that which might otherwise go to waste into
an insulating fat reserve. So no moral outrage necessary.
The reason why Christianity contains more than just a shadow of its pagan
antecedents was because the Romans were an eclectic bunch whose primary
concern for a state religion was that it didn't rock the boat. Pay unto
Caesar and all that. So just as missionaries in Africa and elswhere, who
didn't want to end up bubbling in the apocryphal cauldron, they simply
overlayed
Christian symbolism on pre-existing practice. The alternative was to be
politely told to take your idiotic suicidal religion, that expects us not to
do sensible survival practices of thousands of years standing, and shove it
up your ass.
So if you want to immerse yourself in Britain's pagan past, don't go to
Stonehenge in your nightie, attend a village Anglican church, and take note
of the Yew trees in the churchyard and pay your respects to Yggdrasil while
you're there.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
Calum
> 'Christmas' isn't really a Christian festival though, Easter is the
> major celebration of the Christian year. Xmas was originally the pagan
> festival of Yuletide in England, along with various other events in
> different parts of Europe around the same time of year, when
> Christianity came to Europe the Church persuaded the natives to
> remember Christ's birth at Yuletide.
And Easter was the pagan festival named after Eostre, the goddess of
fertility and rebirth (hence all those easter eggs), so that doesn't
really get us anywhere either.
james
<ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes
>It never happened. There is no god. FFS,grow up.
There most certainly is a god that Mr Jaf worships. Sir Robert Mugabe;
the mainstay of his strange beliefs that elude normal emotional
responses of most rational people. He once hurled himself into a
carpet-chewing, saliva-flecked apoplectic fanatical rage because I once
took the likes of Mr Mugabe's ALCS Ltd shilling.
Such was his blind hatred of anyone daring to criticise the likes of Mr
Mugabe that he called me a hypocritic.
Earthsearch starts this evening on BBC Radio 7. Their serialisation of
Mindwarp over Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday has produced a wholly
unexpected bid for the movie rights.
I'll take their shilling, ta muchly.
ICE is being repeated on BBC Radio 7 next weekend. Restricted
narrow-casting rights I think because the movie will be released next
year.
I'll take their shilling, too.
http://www.powcorp.com/title/view/401/ice
http://www.screendaily.com/5007287.article
<http://www.trueblood-online.com/cast-crew/stephen-moyer/stephen-moyer-to
-be-in-powers-ice/>
And theirs.
--
James Follett.
If you want to see what God thinks of folk who don't believe in him,
look at the miserable, sour personalities he's given them. I took a
God-given mediocre talent, gave thanks, and drove it to its limits.
Amethyst Deceiver
Of what people of different religions do at Christmas, for a start.
DeadMangledPigeon
"The gods have made us mad" <sta...@destruction.com> wrote
>>> The question, of course, is *where* does that soul depart *to*?
>>>
>>> Which is where Jesus comes in.........
>>
>> <Roared!>
>
>
> Ah, you'll have to excuse me - but I don't know many 'atheists', and am
> unfamiliar with the noises they make.
No problem. I know many Christians and the majority of them spend a lot of
their time asking for forgiveness.
Why should you be any different?
> Can I take it that, <Roared> is the atheist's way of announcing that they
> can't refute the argument?
No, but again, make an assumption based on your admitted lack of knowledge.
It's what Jesus would do.
The gods have made us mad
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:48:14 +0000, in uk.media.tv.misc The gods have
> made us mad <sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the idea of the universe just 'happening' is just about *the*
>> most ridiculous assumption that it's possible to make.
>
And, of course, you have evidence for this statement?.........
Halmyre
wrote:
Where's the evidence for a god (singular or plural, either will do)?
--
Halmyre
Djornsk
Is it reasonable to believe that infinately more things "are" than we
can know during the stumblings of our tiny brief lives? God reveals
himself to us in various ways but sometimes people need to ask him for
the gift of faith. See - it's simpler than you might think.
j
AgitProp
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:08:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>
>
>
Work where possile, and do not celerate it at all. In judaism
it is considered sinful to celebrate infidel festivals.
Dead Mangled Pigeon
"AgitProp" <baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote
> Work where possile, and do not celerate it at all. In judaism
> it is considered sinful to celebrate infidel festivals.
I've lost track, but you can't drive your software and God put your Head
where your arse should be and vice versa.
Now, Fuck Off. Or God will rip your balls off and stuff 'em up your arse /
mouth whatever.
AgitProp
> The entity calling itself AgitProp wrote:
>
>
> I think you meant "gentile". And since you can't even get that right,
You call the use of euphemisms "getting it right"...
> what credence should we lend to your other pronouncements?
That's quite alright with me, everyone has the
right to believe whomever they want.
> --
> Nothing beyond
Richard Robinson
>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Nov 23, 3:52 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>> >> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 23, 1:29 am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>> >> >> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >> >Darwinism and Bolshevism was embraced by his Imperial Majesty
>> >> >> >- Baron Rothschild who was not only the sponsor but the commander
>> >> >> >in chief. Being Jewish, it meant to him that anything that could harm
>> >> >> >Christianity is worth financing. Unfortunately Jews despise Christmas
>> >> >> >as they have come to associate it as being a Christian festival.
>> >> >> Really? I'll be sure to tell my Jewish colleagues that they "despise
>> >> >> Christmas". Should I tell them this before we all go for our Christmas
>> >> >> lunch, and swap cards and Christmas presents, or after, do you think?
>>
>> >> >Jews don't celebrate Christmas.
>>
>> >> You don't say.
>>
>> >> >And people celebrate with their
>> >> >families - and not with their colleagues.
>>
>> >> Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't write
>> >> about "celebrating Christmas". I wrote about what my Jewish colleagues
>> >> and I do. Strange but true: people do not conform to your narrow
>> >> views.
>>
>> >What "narrow" views?
>>
>> Of what people of different religions do at Christmas, for a start.
>
> Work where possile, and do not celerate it at all. In judaism
> it is considered sinful to celebrate infidel festivals.
I have been reliably informed that Christmas was hardly celebrated at all in
Scotland until very recently.
Does this prove that the Scots were [a) pagans b) heathens c) jews d)
atheists] who have undergone a radical national conversion in the last few
decades ? Or e) not ? Or are they just not christians ?
Ho hum, so many pointless questions.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
AgitProp
Christmas is a pagan festival, adopted by the Christians.
.....so it would be f) both b & c :))
Richard Robinson
Well, this is intriguing. Would you fancy going there and let all the people
there know that they're jewish pagans ? I think you might meet some who feel
that their customs are christian, it should be an interesting discussion.
_And_ it would be at least a hundred miles away. There's always
self-interest to consider.
Halmyre
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bollocks. It's more to do with the strong Calvinisitic influence in
the Church of Scotland which abhorred anything which hinted at Roman
Catholicism (and that include Anglicanism). Scots still celebrated at
the end of the year, but Hogmanay and Ne'erday (New Year's Day) were
the focus. Christmas Day itself was still a normal working day well
into the middle of the 20th century.
--
Halmyre
AgitProp
That was meant as a joke along your sarcastic survey.
....and I believe "b" was heathens.
Richard Robinson
> On Nov 25, 1:31 am, Richard Robinson <richa...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> AgitProp said:
>>
>> >> > Work where possile, and do not celerate it at all. In judaism it is
>> >> > considered sinful to celebrate infidel festivals.
>>
>> >> I have been reliably informed that Christmas was hardly celebrated at
>> >> all in Scotland until very recently.
>>
>> >> Does this prove that the Scots were [a) pagans b) heathens c) jews d)
>> >> atheists] who have undergone a radical national conversion in the last
>> >> few decades ? Or e) not ? Or are they just not christians ?
>>
>> >> Ho hum, so many pointless questions.
>>
>> > Christmas is a pagan festival, adopted by the Christians.
>>
>> > .....so it would be f) both b & c :))
>>
>> Well, this is intriguing. Would you fancy going there and let all the
>> people there know that they're jewish pagans ? I think you might meet
>> some who feel that their customs are christian, it should be an
>> interesting discussion.
>
> That was meant as a joke along your sarcastic survey. ....and I believe
> "b" was heathens.
And the evidence supports you in this. Careless of me, I beg your pardon.
AgitProp
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Bollocks. It's more to do with the strong Calvinisitic influence in
> the Church of Scotland which abhorred anything which hinted at Roman
> Catholicism (and that include Anglicanism).
The Orthodox must be cryptic - Catholic Anglicists!
....either that or the Scots were getting baptised by
Benny Hinn Ministries - Telaviv inc pty ltd.... :))
The dog from that film you saw
"Djornsk" <djo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7n1o3cF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Where's the evidence for a god (singular or plural, either will do)?
>>
>> --
>> Halmyre
>
> Is it reasonable to believe that infinately more things "are" than we can
> know during the stumblings of our tiny brief lives? God reveals himself
> to us in various ways but sometimes people need to ask him for the gift of
> faith. See - it's simpler than you might think.
that's an awfully long winded way of saying no evidence.
--
Gareth.
that fly...... is your magic wand....
http://dsbdsb.mybrute.com
you fight better when you have a bear!
Djornsk
> The entity calling itself Djornsk wrote:
>> Halmyre wrote:
>>> On 24 Nov, 00:30, The gods have made us mad <star...@destruction.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Nutter Cracker wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:48:14 +0000, in uk.media.tv.misc The gods have
>>>>> made us mad <star...@destruction.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Actually, the idea of the universe just 'happening' is just about *the*
>>>>>> most ridiculous assumption that it's possible to make.
>>>>> And yet it's what happened. <<
>>>> And, of course, you have evidence for this statement?.........
>>> Where's the evidence for a god (singular or plural, either will do)?
>> can know during the stumblings of our tiny brief lives?
>
>
>> God reveals himself to us in various ways but sometimes people need to
>> ask him for the gift of faith. See - it's simpler than you might
>> think.
>
>
Exactly. We need to ask for the decryption key to offer an analogy.
j
Djornsk
>
> "Djornsk" <djo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7n1o3cF...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Where's the evidence for a god (singular or plural, either will do)?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Halmyre
>>
>> Is it reasonable to believe that infinately more things "are" than we
>> can know during the stumblings of our tiny brief lives? God reveals
>> himself to us in various ways but sometimes people need to ask him for
>> the gift of faith. See - it's simpler than you might think.
>
>
>
>
> that's an awfully long winded way of saying no evidence.
>
>
Yes - but in a sense man exists only partially in the dimension in which
evidence has any meaning.
j
Djornsk
> The dog from that film you saw <d...@removethisbitbtinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Is it reasonable to believe that infinately more things "are" than we can
>>> know during the stumblings of our tiny brief lives? God reveals himself
>>> to us in various ways but sometimes people need to ask him for the gift of
>>> faith. See - it's simpler than you might think.
>> that's an awfully long winded way of saying no evidence.
>
> apparently intelligent people can practice such self-deception.
>
> JFTR label me agnostic, the only rational position.
>
That is the barrier you have to overcome - just close you eyes and take
a run at it.
j
AgitProp
> The entity calling itself AgitProp wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Bollocks. It's more to do with the strong Calvinisitic influence in
> >> the Church of Scotland which abhorred anything which hinted at Roman
> >> Catholicism (and that include Anglicanism).
>
> > The Orthodox must be cryptic - Catholic Anglicists!
> > ....either that or the Scots were getting baptised by
> > Benny Hinn Ministries - Telaviv inc pty ltd.... :))
>
> (inasmuchas it was distinct from Roman Catholicism) to be akin to Roman
> Catholicism. The CofE was theologically reformed, and not protestant in
> its foundation and theology (for example, it adheres to priesthood,
> apostolic sucession, and is sacremental).
Irrelevant! - get this: Christmas was/is NOT exclusivity intrinsic to
Catholicism/Anglicism and any combination of the two thereof.
If you are trying to tell me that the Scottish clergy was
dumb and couldn't check, or otherwise jewish-influenced
then that is another story.
> So what's your point
If you were a touch "gnorant" - you would have got it. :))
> (other
> than ilustrating your ignorance)?
I wasn't "illustrating" anything - just marvelling at the level
of jewish-induced dumbification you have attained.
> --
> one afternoon, long ago
Amethyst Deceiver
<baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 5:30�pm, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:08:39 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>
>>
>>
>> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Nov 23, 3:52�am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:28:17 -0800 (PST), AgitProp
>>
>> >> <baron.rothsch...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 23, 1:29�am, Amethyst Deceiver <n...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't write
>> >> about "celebrating Christmas". I wrote about what my Jewish colleagues
>> >> and I do. Strange but true: people do not conform to your narrow
>> >> views.
>>
>> >What "narrow" views?
>>
>> Of what people of different religions do at Christmas, for a start.
>
>Work where possile, and do not celerate it at all. In judaism
>it is considered sinful to celebrate infidel festivals.
It's like English, without actually being English.
Amethyst Deceiver
<baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 4:52�am, August West <aug...@kororaa.com> wrote:
>> The entity calling itself AgitProp wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Bollocks. It's more to do with the strong Calvinisitic influence in
>> >> the Church of Scotland which abhorred anything which hinted at Roman
>> >> Catholicism (and that include Anglicanism).
>>
>> > The Orthodox must be cryptic - Catholic Anglicists!
>> > ....either that or the Scots were getting baptised by
>> > Benny Hinn Ministries - Telaviv inc pty ltd.... :))
>>
>> The Calvinists in the Church of Scotland did consider "Anglicanism"
>> (inasmuchas it was distinct from Roman Catholicism) to be akin to Roman
>> Catholicism. The CofE was theologically reformed, and not protestant in
>> its foundation and theology (for example, it adheres to priesthood,
>> apostolic sucession, and is sacremental).
>
>Irrelevant! - get this: Christmas was/is NOT exclusivity intrinsic to
>Catholicism/Anglicism and any combination of the two thereof.
Indeed. And my Jewish (and, for that matter, Muslim) colleagues agree.