The Apprentice - US version
Curious_Orange
or did I blink and maybe it's already been shown on one of the
satellite channels...?
I'll bet it's crap by comparison with the UK version. I found SIR
Alan's comments in his radio 5 interview very interesting, about how
the UK version was a lot less glitzy, and much more "British".
God Save the Queen! :)
FairPlay
"Curious_Orange" <curious...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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You blinked it was on BBC2 and they gave the winner away in the radio
times - though I had given up watching - our one is better as they are
bigger idiots.
Dee
"Curious_Orange" <curious...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Series one was shown in October last year on BBC2 - roundabout 6: or 6:30
PM. I'd presume they're waiting to see if the UK version is a hit before
showing the next 2 US ones (which were aired back to back in the US).
The US ones are a LOT tamer (you'll never hear The Donald saying "sticks
like shit to blanket" for instance) but are just as enjoyable (they're
nearly at the end of the 3rd series now).
Dee
Curious_Orange
thanks for the info.
Do you know if they've done any follow up shows on the progress of the
winner, once they are working on the job?
Curious_Orange
Oh.. forgot to ask... are the 2nd and 3rd series with Trump still as
the tycoon? (Im guessing so as i think he is part owner of the whole
format)
And if so, presumably there are positions 2 and 3 on offer in his
organisation? Part of me think that dilutes the concept rather... I
mean.. a one off job vacancy as a "prize" seems somehow worth more than
a series of them in successive shows.
I wonder if theyve changed anything in the format to make them
different to the 1st series.
Dee
Yes it's still The Donald.
There's no 2nd or 3rd place - the winner (like the 1st series) gets to chose
one of 2 jobs, neither of which was the not chosen prize from the 1st
series. They're bloody good jobs too. There's small tweaks on the teams
for the 3rd series, one team of college graduates and one team of
entrepreneurs with a max of a high school diploma. Of course as people are
fired there are team re-shuffles. The other big change is that if you were
the team leader on that week's winning team then if your team lost the
following week you'd be exempt from being fired.
I don't know (but presume it must have been) an official catch up show on
the E! channel which mainly covered the 2nd series. The winner from the
first series is still working for the Trump organisation too.
Dee
(I'm sure I'm right about most of it but as the 2nd and 3rd series ran back
to back I get confuddled about who was in which one.)
Roland Perry
13:08:10 on Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Curious_Orange
<curious...@hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
>I'll bet it's crap by comparison with the UK version.
There are two obvious differences.
Firstly, *all* the contestants are gobby and obnoxious, and scrap like
fishwives in the boardroom.
Secondly, the tasks are glitzier, but also quite obviously a set-up; in
the sense that lots of preparatory work is done, and the tasks can't
possibly have been done from a standing start in one day.
The nearest we've got to that in the UK series is the art sale - where
it's implausible that the contestants were able to drum up real buyers
from thin air on the same day, as shown on TV. Someone must have
organised that for them (recognising that the task was more about
selling to the captive audience than gathering the captives). Although
the recent cooking episode was similar - the contestants were presumably
given the (cooking and selling) facilities on a plate (and at zero
notional cost, which makes the "profit" calculations rather moot). It
would have been so much more realistic if they had to find the kitchen
from the yellow pages, and work out which farmers market to sell at!
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Roland Perry
Dee
"Thanatos" <Than...@blueREMOVEyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:01:22 +0100, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>In message <1113163690....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, at
>>13:08:10 on Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Curious_Orange
>><curious...@hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>I'll bet it's crap by comparison with the UK version.
>>
>>There are two obvious differences.
>>
>>Firstly, *all* the contestants are gobby and obnoxious, and scrap like
>>fishwives in the boardroom.
>>
>>Secondly, the tasks are glitzier, but also quite obviously a set-up; in
>>the sense that lots of preparatory work is done, and the tasks can't
>>possibly have been done from a standing start in one day.
>
> quick to use their sexuality to win sales-based tasks. (The
> equivalent would have been something like First Forte selling the
> flowers in episode one, with the offer a grope of their arse with
> every bunch sold.)
>
> Didn't Trump have to tell them to stop doing it, as it was helping
> them to win unfairly?
>
>
> --
> "It's not my bloody fault that people spent too much money on
> cheese and didn't sort themselves out!" - Paul Torrisi
Tis true. One of the girls offered to take their skirt off if someone
bought their product. She felt it was ok as she had her bikini pants on
underneath but Carolyn (One of Donald's advisors) and Donald were disgusted.
IIRC the 2nd series was girls vs boys to start with and Donald did accuse
the girls team of using their sexuality to win over customers and clients.
Dee
Thanatos
wrote:
>In message <1113163690....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, at
>13:08:10 on Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Curious_Orange
><curious...@hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>I'll bet it's crap by comparison with the UK version.
>
>There are two obvious differences.
>
>Firstly, *all* the contestants are gobby and obnoxious, and scrap like
>fishwives in the boardroom.
>
>Secondly, the tasks are glitzier, but also quite obviously a set-up; in
>the sense that lots of preparatory work is done, and the tasks can't
>possibly have been done from a standing start in one day.
I didn't see it, but I read that the female contestants were a bit too
Roland Perry
Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Thanatos <Than...@blueREMOVEyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>I didn't see it, but I read that the female contestants were a bit too
>quick to use their sexuality to win sales-based tasks. (The
>equivalent would have been something like First Forte selling the
>flowers in episode one, with the offer a grope of their arse with
>every bunch sold.)
>
>Didn't Trump have to tell them to stop doing it, as it was helping
>them to win unfairly?
I've only seen the first series so far (when it was originally shown in
the USA) and I don't remember that. Two of the contestants (who both
lasted quite a long way through) became somewhat of an "item". Something
we've not seen on the UK show at all.
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Roland Perry
Major ChrisB
"Curious_Orange" <curious...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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It is but the US version is excelent, theres a Region 1 dvd set of the first
season and it's already aired on BBC2 last year - it's absolutly excelent,
I've seen all 3 seasons so far and am up to date with the US. This year
they switched from boys vrs girls to high school graduates vrs college
graduates and it's really good...
I'd say the US is better as ultimatly the prize is better in the US and
theres much more longevity in the US as Trump has far more resources than
Sugar ever will. So far the UK tasks have been almost carbon copied from
the US version so I'm probably looking at the "seen it done before and seen
it done better" type thing that's kind of the same as those people who like
books they've read better than the films and think that sequals are always
crap....mainly coz they loose that originality....
Roland Perry
Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Major ChrisB <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com>
remarked:
>So far the UK tasks have been almost carbon copied from the US version
The whole format is licenced from the US. (I don't agree that the tasks
are identical, though - but many of them have the same flavour).
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Roland Perry
Alan Hope
I'm reading between the lines I agree, but from certain signs on the
TV, and a comment in James's blog, I reckon he's given her one. Saira,
I mean.
I can't cite evidence, just some vague impressions that the two of
them were a little too chummy, with a few too many looks into the
limpid pools of each other's shining orbs of consciousness.
And she was hanging onto his bod in the car in the last but one show.
And I could swear the white towelling robe he was wearing in Monaco
had a "Saira" name-tape, as if they'd jumped out of the shower
suddenly, when the camera-crew came to her hotel-room door.
Well all right, I may be getting a bit carried away. But I'm calling
it that way: James and Saira are an item:
"Saira fired me after night-long sex romp, posh Apprentice toof James
says."
"She's gobby all right, but I could feel her teeth, says love rat in
reference to oral sex we and our readers don't get."
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AH
Thanatos
wrote:
>I'm reading between the lines I agree, but from certain signs on the
>TV, and a comment in James's blog, I reckon he's given her one. Saira,
>I mean.
Oh, please! Some of us only ate a couple of hours ago!!
Major ChrisB
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> In <rQ0z52Yl...@donald.internetpolicynews.co.uk>, Roland Perry
> boardroom music etc)
it's a similar theme but not the same no, the theme music is very different
and the US show doesn't have the constant explanation and voice overs for
those with short memories like the UK show does.
The differences in quality are thing like:
The celebrity auction tasks
US Version: Celebs include Lil' Kim, Barenaked Ladies, Gene Simmons and Moby
UK Version: Celebs include Dermuid Gavin, Eamon Holmes, Mel Smith and
Michael Winner
US Version: Charity - Elizabeth Glaziar Pediatric Aids Foundation
UK Version: Charity - Hackney Empire
US Version: task also includes production and presentation of the auction on
live US Cable and The Internet
UK Version: task also includes telling Griff Rhys Jones what he's auctioning
on their behalf
US Version: auctions include week long VIP Trip with the Barenaked Ladies as
they tour the UK, a week long trip with Moby including flying with him on
his plane and staying in his hotel suit as he tours the US, a speaking role
in a major US network sitcom and a chance to party with Kiss at their box
set launch party
UK Version: dinner in a restraunt, tour of the GMTV studios, tickets to a
play starring someone who no one wants to see and dinner in a restraunt,
tickets to a musical everyone who wants to see and has money to spend on an
auction has already seen and a motor bike anyone who wins it will have to
spend a fortune on lessons, advances lessons and more lessons before they
can ride it.
Art Gallery Task:
Both very simmilar, smut vrs shit in both cases
CD Player Ad:
theres a few simmilar to this in the Apprentice. We'll go with season 1's
UK Version - an ad for one of Sugars own products, low budget, short time
limit and few resources
US Version - an ad for a private jet company, access to the world leading Ad
agency and their staff, access to actors, tv studios, market research
studies, full crew for filming commercial and professional editing
equipment. (this was the same for the Levi press ad campagn and the NYPD TV
ad campaign)
Childrens Toy:
UK version, never heard of the toy company, had to find and design their own
market research studies and make a model prototype
US Version: candidates had access to Matell and their resources, had access
to Matell's own focus groups of kids who picked the winners themselves and
had to build a working prototype of the toy
All in all I think the US version is far better than the UK one in terms of
production and tasks and Trump kicks Sugars ass in a TV persona competition.
I'm curious as to what the prize for the winner willl be, it's not like
Sugar is building a 100story office block and hotel in the middle of chicago
or developing a new state of the art vegas hotel or a 2 course gofl club and
resort in new England. I mean what does sugar do? He makes cheep CD
players and TVs.....
Roland Perry
Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Mike Henry <{$usenet-spamdump$}@mrtickle.demon.co.uk>
remarked:
>>The whole format is licenced from the US. (I don't agree that the tasks
>>are identical, though - but many of them have the same flavour).
>
>boardroom music etc)
The UK version doesn't have as much "tension" music in the boardroom,
only right at the end and as the fired contestants walk to the taxi and
drive away. Another difference is that Trump provides the (rather
shouty) voice-over commentary for the USA show, not a plummy sounding
announcer as in the UK.
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Major ChrisB <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com>
remarked:
>I'm curious as to what the prize for the winner willl be, it's not like
>Sugar is building a 100story office block and hotel in the middle of chicago
>or developing a new state of the art vegas hotel or a 2 course gofl club and
>resort in new England. I mean what does sugar do? He makes cheep CD
>players and TVs.....
Remember that Amstrad is only 5% of his empire, although the public
image is that it's 95%. There are hints of the rest, in the photos of
office blocks everywhere (Amsprop) and the private jet in the into
(Amsair). But yes, the job is going to be less exciting, but possibly
more "real". Does anyone actually believe that the US series 1 winner is
actually *in charge* of the hotel building project, rather than being a
capable observer for Trump. [Builders in the USA need a licence, so at
the very best he'll be a financial, rather than civil engineering,
project manager.]
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Roland Perry
Dee
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I'd forgotten about that even though I notice it's The Donald every week.
Dee
Major ChrisB
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there is no narration in the US version appart from right at the start
during the "last time on the apprentice" bits.
Roland Perry
Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Major ChrisB <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com>
remarked:
>there is no narration in the US version appart from right at the start
>during the "last time on the apprentice" bits.
That's the only bit I've listened to.
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Roland Perry