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So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck happened
with Timo Glock?
I'd love to hear his pit radio on the last lap!
"Kzxx - Er, Timo. a Mr Dennis is on the phone and he says you can have
£5 million if you slow down for 20 seconds"
"Kzxx - Ausgezeichnet! Wo ist mein brake pedal?!"
The Fox In The Chicken House
I thought the same thing. Besides, with a Englishman owning F1 it was
in Glock's interest to see a Brit win.
JR
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>
>> So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck happened with
>> Timo Glock?
>
>
> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than the
> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
Aren't you bleating enough over on rasf1?
Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost exactly
the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET TRACK.
Get over yourself.
Mr Scummy
> with Timo Glock?
I believe he had to slow down because he was on dry tyres in the rain,
but it did sound suspicious. Unfortunately it didn't occur to the
numpties at ITV-F1 that viewers might like to see replays of the final
moments of the race to clarify what had happended - they were too busy
pontificating and wetting themselves over Hamilton's victory.
Dark 1
Ar <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>
> > So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck happened with
> > Timo Glock?
>
> Glock let Lewis past.
>
> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than the
> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
And the resident Tory fanboy yet again displays his ignorance in a
public forum. Just keep regurgitating the same misinformed nonsense,
and eventually, you might find enough similarly clueless folk to accept
it as fact.
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DAB sounds worse than FM
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> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR wrote:
>
>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>> exactly
>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> TRACK.
>
What, you went to Brazil?
>, plus live timing. Lewis was let
> through.
Have you never driven when it's wet? It gets slippery. Try driving
fast with tyres with bugger all tread on and see how far you get.
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The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
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Shaun
Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
DAMP track. Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
DAB sounds worse than FM
news:490e3b45....@news.virginmedia.com
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR <not...@anymore.com> wrote:
>
>> Ar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck
>>>> happened
>>>> with Timo Glock?
>>>
>>> Glock let Lewis past.
>>>
>>> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than
>>> the
>>> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
>>
>> Aren't you bleating enough over on rasf1?
>>
>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>> exactly
>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> TRACK.
>>
>> Get over yourself.
>
> Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
> DAMP track.
Bullshit. The commentators said that Glock's quarter-lap (or whatever
it was) times were okay. They did not say he was lapping faster than
Hamilton when it was raining and Hamilton was on intermediates and
Glock was on slicks. Also, there was a couple of laps to go when they
said that, so it could have got a lot wetter very quickly - they all
changed tyres when there was only 5 laps to go.
> Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
> deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
I'm not at all convinced by this conspiracy theory nonsense.
I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton. Unless you're a
Jock, which would explain everything.
James
<dab.is@dead> wrote:
>I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
Maybe because he's an arrogant little tosser?
AC
"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I just love it when non achievers accuse the successful of being arrogant.
AC
James
Well, that's nonsensical.
Come back when Hamilton isn't an arrogant little tosser.
DAB sounds worse than FM
>
>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>> exactly
>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> TRACK.
>
> let
> through.
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10843/900/
"Glock: It was impossible on the last lap
Glock: "I was on dry tyres at the end of the race when it was
****raining quite badly**** and it was just impossible on the last
lap. I was fighting as hard as I could but it was so difficult to just
keep the car on the track and I lost positions right at the end of the
lap."
Unless you were actually there in Brazil to dispute Glock's account of
it "raining quite badly" when he was on dry tyres, I'm afraid you're
just tryign to propagate a conspiracy theory.
Are you Scottish by any chance?
DAB sounds worse than FM
Before I respond, could I ask whether you're a Jock, because there's
no point in discussing anything about Hamilton with a bitter
ginger-haired glue sniffing Buckfast swigging string-vest-wearing
Jock, because they're just bitter cos the WORLD Formula 1 CHAMPION is
ENGLISH.
michael adams
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message news:CgrPk.221374$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
Ar sole and Shorn are so dumb, that they never even noticed that Massa and
Raikkonen have been driving to team orders in almost every other race this
season with Raikkinen bending over and giving away places as and where
necessary. Something Koveleinnen was never in any postion to do.
As a result of which Massa stole at least one victory which should
have been Raikkonens. So that if they had been drawn on points and Massa
won the title based on the number of races won it would have beeen yet
another Ferrari Fiddle.
michael adams
...
James
<dab.is@dead> wrote:
>"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:38gsg4pk23b34jajs...@4ax.com
>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:07:28 -0000, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
>> <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>>
>>> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
>>
>> Maybe because he's an arrogant little tosser?
>
>
>Before I respond, could I ask whether you're a Jock, because there's
>no point in discussing anything about Hamilton with a bitter
>ginger-haired glue sniffing Buckfast swigging string-vest-wearing
>Jock, because they're just bitter cos the WORLD Formula 1 CHAMPION is
>ENGLISH.
No, I'm not.
It's really unfortunate that Hamilton's an arrogant little tosser,
isn't it?
I'm sure many more people would've enjoyed his DC win if he wasn't.
DAB sounds worse than FM
news:6n6vi6F...@mid.individual.net
I don't know a great deal about F1, but Jodi Shekter (sp?) has been
saying that Hamilton should have won it a couple of races ago anyway
if it wasn't for some of the unfair decisions that went against him.
James
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>Massa and Raikkonen have been driving to team orders in almost every other race this
>season
Rubbish! Do you have proof of your stupid claim?
DAB sounds worse than FM
Presumably you think he's arrogant because in some of the comments
he's made he's said he considers himself to be a good driver. IMO, as
he is obviously is a fucking top driver, why should he basically lie
and make out that he's not a shithot driver just to make himself look
modest to the likes of you?
At the end of the day, he's only 23. Cut the fucker some slack.
AC
So to start with you didn't manage to achieve a working knowledge of
English. Anything else you wish to give away?
AC
michael adams
"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:uthsg4dbeer02o6uq...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:34:27 -0000, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
> <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>
> >"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:38gsg4pk23b34jajs...@4ax.com
> >> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:07:28 -0000, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
> >> <dab.is@dead> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
> >>
> >> Maybe because he's an arrogant little tosser?
> >
> >
> >Before I respond, could I ask whether you're a Jock, because there's
> >no point in discussing anything about Hamilton with a bitter
> >ginger-haired glue sniffing Buckfast swigging string-vest-wearing
> >Jock, because they're just bitter cos the WORLD Formula 1 CHAMPION is
> >ENGLISH.
>
> No, I'm not.
...
Just bitter and twisted, by the looks of things.
...
>
> It's really unfortunate that Hamilton's an arrogant little tosser,
> isn't it?
...
No it isn't. He's earning more money than you could ever dream of, doing a job
he's good at which other people would love to do, while being surrounded by
glamourous women. And a family who all think he's the bees knees. What's unfortunate
about any of that ? Why should he lose any sleep about whether obvious failures
in life like you, are eaten out with envy or not ?
>
> I'm sure many more people would've enjoyed his DC win if he wasn't.
He can't help how he is, or his basic personality. And in any case he's
paid to win races, not to win popularity contests.
What you don't appear to realise of course, is that it's the height
of arrogance to expect other people to change their personality
just so as to suit you.
That very same arrogance which you accuse Lewis Hamilton of displaying.
michael adams
...
tomScotland
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> "James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:38gsg4pk23b34jajs...@4ax.com
>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:07:28 -0000, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
>> <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>>
>>> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
>>
>> Maybe because he's an arrogant little tosser?
>
>
> Before I respond, could I ask whether you're a Jock, because there's no
> point in discussing anything about Hamilton with a bitter ginger-haired
> glue sniffing Buckfast swigging string-vest-wearing Jock, because they're
> just bitter cos the WORLD Formula 1 CHAMPION is ENGLISH.
LOL. There is some mighty strange behaviour on display here. I'm quite
please Lewis Hamilton has won the world championship tbh, and it has fuck
all to do with where he, or indeed I, come from.
You, OTOH, are a fanny. You're not winding anyone up, *mate*, you're just
showing yourself to be an utterly contemptuous little blowhard. Now fuck
off, theres a good chap, what.
michael adams
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message news:sNrPk.221381$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
He should have done. His problem is that Kovelleinen the 2nd McLaren driver
couldn't offer him a lot of support so he's been racing against the two Ferraris
on his own. It's not a forgone conclusion either that his engine was much better
than the Ferrari so he's done really well. Next year looks promising if Ron
Dennis can get a better second car or driver for the team. It would be nice
to see McLaren picking up the Manufacturers championship next year after the
cheating from Ferrari and just to spite Max Moseley.
michael adams
...
michael adams
"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c9isg4pdprp78seqh...@4ax.com...
It's common knowledge. Google it idiot.
michael adams
...
>
James
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
[snip some other indulgent, trolling crap]
>He can't help how he is, or his basic personality.
No. You're right. He's an arrogant tosser - that's his personality.
>And in any case he'spaid to win races, not to win popularity contests.
You obviously don't follow F1 much... Ever heard of sponsors?
AC
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message
> "Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:490e3225$0$10543$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk
>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR wrote:
>>
>>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost exactly
>>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>>> TRACK.
>>
>> I was watching better than ITV coverage, plus live timing. Lewis was let
>> through.
>
>
> http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10843/900/
>
> "Glock: It was impossible on the last lap
>
> Glock: "I was on dry tyres at the end of the race when it was ****raining
> quite badly**** and it was just impossible on the last lap. I was fighting
> as hard as I could but it was so difficult to just keep the car on the
> track and I lost positions right at the end of the lap."
>
> Unless you were actually there in Brazil to dispute Glock's account of it
> "raining quite badly" when he was on dry tyres, I'm afraid you're
> just tryign to propagate a conspiracy theory.
>
> Are you Scottish by any chance?
>
>
If there was the slightest chance that Glok let Hamilton pass, trust me,
Ferrari would be bleating worse than a Scotch bitch.
AC
James
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>after the cheating from Ferrari
Hold on!
Which constructor was fined one hundred million Dollars and had all of
their constructors points stripped from them last year for cheating?
James
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c9isg4pdprp78seqh...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:39:49 -0000, "michael adams"
>> <mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Massa and Raikkonen have been driving to team orders in almost every other race this
>> >season
>>
>> Rubbish! Do you have proof of your stupid claim?
>
>It's common knowledge. Google it idiot.
No it's not, and you lie.
You made the claim, you provide the truth.
You can't.
michael adams
"James" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:lilsg4tqlrrg9kvmj...@4ax.com...
These ?
<quote>
Lewis Hamilton ready to overtake Beckham as sponsors' hero
Kevin Eason
A little more than a year ago, a cosmetics company was on the verge of
offering Lewis Hamilton a £50,000 sponsorship, but it pulled out, not sure
if the unknown would hit the big time. Today, that same deal would cost
the company £5 million - and counting.
The rise and rise of Lewis Hamilton is a sporting phenomenon that will
trigger the ringing of cash registers the moment the wheels of his jet
from São Paolo hit the runway in Britain this morning. For, after a year
of driving alongside - and beating - Fernando Alonso, who is paid 44 times
more in salary than he is, Hamilton will start negotiating his payback.
Experts calculate that a £10 million-a-year basic salary is the starting
point but, in reality, the sky is the limit for a youngster on a path to
riches trodden by only the most exalted of stars.
<quote>
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article2710001.ece
Hoot!
Sponsors like winners. Winning makes people popular.
Not that you'd know too much about that. Obviously
Unless that is, your winning those "Wanker of the Month" awards for six months in
succession, would somehow qualify you to join the elite.
michael adams
...
>
James
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>Sponsors like winners.
Ahh, but sponsors don't like arrogant little tossers who are disliked
by the public.
GS
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR wrote:
>
>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost exactly
>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> TRACK.
>
> I was watching better than ITV coverage, plus live timing. Lewis was let
> through.
You really are a sore loser aren't you? Glock could not defend the position
given his tyres and the track condition, how can you say you follow F1 and
not understand the simple fact that slicks and a wet track don't make for
good lap times. Lewis is WDC he was before going into the last race, at
least if you discount the race fixes applied by the FIA.
GS
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
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That he blows goats?
Ian F.
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> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
Same old story here - for some reason they want to knock British success.
See posts passim about Lenny Henry, Dawn French, Ricky Gervais etc.
Ian
Abo
How is he arrogant?
Sam Nelson
Ar <A...@127.0.0.1> writes:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>
> > So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck happened with
> > Timo Glock?
>
> Glock let Lewis past.
>
> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than the
> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
I thought the winner was the driver that scored the most points.
--
SAm.
GS
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
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It is, unless you are a Ferrari fan or a sore loser in which case Lewis
stole the championship and should be banned for life for gaining more points
than anyone else this year.
Sam Nelson
"GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
>
> "Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:490e3225$0$10543$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR wrote:
> >
> >> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost exactly
> >> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
> >> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
> >> TRACK.
> >
> > I was watching better than ITV coverage, plus live timing. Lewis was let
> > through.
>
> You really are a sore loser aren't you? Glock could not defend the position
> given his tyres and the track condition
So, who arranged that Glock had the wrong tyres, then?
--
SAm.
Sam Nelson
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> writes:
> At the end of the day, he's only 23. Cut the fucker some slack.
Only 23? Grown up, then. Anyway, he'll doubtless be welcomed with open
arms when he gets home. To Switzerland.
--
SAm.
Sam Nelson
"Ian F." <wowfab...@googlemail.com> writes:
> "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message
> news:CgrPk.221374$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
>
> > I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
>
> Same old story here - for some reason they want to knock British success.
Could it possibly be that he's an artificial champion in an artificial
sport whose only element of competition is to work out, year after year,
how much more artificial tension and suspense can be injected from which
direction?
> See posts passim about Lenny Henry, Dawn French, Ricky Gervais etc.
Tossers.
--
SAm.
GS
What the fuck are you on about? Have you actually watched one F1 race or
just read a few comments on the internet and chimed in? Glock and Toyota
would make the tyre choice, not Hamilton, not McLaren. Get a clue for fucks
sake before posting.
GS
> In article <6n7qvgF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Ian F." <wowfab...@googlemail.com> writes:
>> "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message
>> news:CgrPk.221374$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
>>
>> > I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton.
>>
>> Same old story here - for some reason they want to knock British success.
>
> Could it possibly be that he's an artificial champion in an artificial
> sport whose only element of competition is to work out, year after year,
> how much more artificial tension and suspense can be injected from which
> direction?
If you dislike it so much try not watching it, reading about it, or posting
about it.
Abo
of penalty would never have been given. The penalty was given because
no-one must fuck with Ferrari, and because Max Mosely hates Ron Dennis.
Ferrari is the most recognisable and marketable brand F1 has. Hence the
cries of FIA = Ferrari International Assistance etc. etc.
McLaren: who the fuck are they, just a race team
Renault: daft Euroboxes
Honda: uninspiring Jap 'Euroboxes'
Toyota: see above
It's in the interest of F1 and it's associated bodies to keep Ferrari
happy. If Ferrari went then a whole bunch of money-spending fans (the
Tifosi) would fuck off with them.
Even if 'exotic' manufacturers like Lamborghini or Porsche entered teams
they'd not capture anything like the fanbase of Ferrari, and therefore
none of the lenient 'penalties' or gifted decisions.
Basically, Ferrari win championships because of 'F1 Inc' where McLaren
win championships despite them...
Abo
Shaun
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message news:CgrPk.221374$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
>> "Shaun" <shaun.jam...@ntlwolrd.com> wrote in message
>> news:490e3b45....@news.virginmedia.com
>> > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR <not...@anymore.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ar wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck
>> >>>> happened
>> >>>> with Timo Glock?
>> >>>
>> >>> Glock let Lewis past.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than
>> >>> the
>> >>> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
>> >>
>> >> Aren't you bleating enough over on rasf1?
>> >>
>> >> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>> >> exactly
>> >> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> >> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> >> TRACK.
>> >>
>> >> Get over yourself.
>> >
>> > Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
>> > DAMP track.
>>
>>
>> Bullshit. The commentators said that Glock's quarter-lap (or whatever
>> it was) times were okay. They did not say he was lapping faster than
>> Hamilton when it was raining and Hamilton was on intermediates and
>> Glock was on slicks. Also, there was a couple of laps to go when they
>> said that, so it could have got a lot wetter very quickly - they all
>> changed tyres when there was only 5 laps to go.
>>
>>
>> > Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
>> > deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
>>
>>
>> I'm not at all convinced by this conspiracy theory nonsense.
>>
>> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton. Unless you're a
>> Jock, which would explain everything.
>
>
>Ar sole and Shorn are so dumb, that they never even noticed that Massa and
>Raikkonen have been driving to team orders in almost every other race this
>season with Raikkinen bending over and giving away places as and where
>necessary. Something Koveleinnen was never in any postion to do.
>As a result of which Massa stole at least one victory which should
>have been Raikkonens. So that if they had been drawn on points and Massa
>won the title based on the number of races won it would have beeen yet
>another Ferrari Fiddle.
>
If the situations had been reversed and it was Massa who Glock let
overtake, then the Hamilton fan boys would be moaning like hell.
But no, because its Hamilton who gained an advantage by
unsportsmanlike behaviour then they claim its all down to karma and
totally acceptable
GS
> If the situations had been reversed and it was Massa who Glock let
> overtake, then the Hamilton fan boys would be moaning like hell.
> But no, because its Hamilton who gained an advantage by
> unsportsmanlike behaviour then they claim its all down to karma and
> totally acceptable
So by your argument it was unsporting for Kimi to let Massa through the
other week as he deliberately slowed to let Massa through. Therefore Massa
has more points given to him through unsporting activity.
Shaun
Did Paula Radcliffe win because a few hunded yards from the end of
the race her mate deliberately pulled up ?
Sam Nelson
"GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
>
> "Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:5pr2u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
> > In article <gem9cb$e2h$1...@aioe.org>,
> > "GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
> >>
> >> "Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> >> news:490e3225$0$10543$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> >> > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost exactly
> >> >> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
> >> >> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
> >> >> TRACK.
> >> >
> >> > I was watching better than ITV coverage, plus live timing. Lewis was
> >> > let
> >> > through.
> >>
> >> You really are a sore loser aren't you? Glock could not defend the
> >> position
> >> given his tyres and the track condition
> >
> > So, who arranged that Glock had the wrong tyres, then?
>
> What the fuck are you on about? Have you actually watched one F1 race or
> just read a few comments on the internet and chimed in?
I've watched a fair bit of F1 in my time. Many years ago, it was even
interesting. Now, it's just a circus of fakery, like wrestling.
> Glock and Toyota would make the tyre choice, not Hamilton, not McLaren.
Duh. Well, obviously. Or maybe someone told them to do that.
> Get a clue for fucks sake before posting.
Patronising twat.
--
SAm.
Shaun
<dab.is@dead> wrote:
>"Shaun" <shaun.jam...@ntlwolrd.com> wrote in message
>news:490e3b45....@news.virginmedia.com
>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR <not...@anymore.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ar wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck
>>>>> happened
>>>>> with Timo Glock?
>>>>
>>>> Glock let Lewis past.
>>>>
>>>> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than
>>>> the
>>>> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
>>>
>>> Aren't you bleating enough over on rasf1?
>>>
>>> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>>> exactly
>>> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>>> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>>> TRACK.
>>>
>>> Get over yourself.
>>
>> Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
>> DAMP track.
>
>
>Bullshit. The commentators said that Glock's quarter-lap (or whatever
>it was) times were okay. They did not say he was lapping faster than
>Hamilton when it was raining and Hamilton was on intermediates and
>Glock was on slicks. Also, there was a couple of laps to go when they
>said that, so it could have got a lot wetter very quickly - they all
>changed tyres when there was only 5 laps to go.
>
Both cars had the same level of grip relative to each other for the
entire final lap. Throughtout the first two sectors Hamilton was
making no impression on Glock. Then mysteriously in the final sector
Glock moved off the racing line and lost 5 seconds from the lap time.
Apart from mechanical failure there is no way this would happen in an
honest race.
>
>> Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
>> deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
>
>
>I'm not at all convinced by this conspiracy theory nonsense.
>
>I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton. Unless you're a
>Jock, which would explain everything.
>
I've nothing against Hamilton and I'm sure the impoverised Swiss
government wish him every success.
Sam Nelson
Sam Nelson
Next year, I have to look forward to my licence fee being spent on it.
That means that whether I watch it, read about it, or post about it, or not,
I still have a stake in it far more significant than any of those.
--
SAm.
Shaun
>On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:50:30 GMT, shaun.jam...@ntlwolrd.com (Shaun) wrote:
>>>I'm not at all convinced by this conspiracy theory nonsense.
>>>
>>>I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton. Unless you're a
>>>Jock, which would explain everything.
>>>
>>I've nothing against Hamilton and I'm sure the impoverised Swiss
>>government wish him every success.
>
>Would you feel happier if he kept his money in the Isle of Man?
F1 drivers don't like the Isle of Man. They might have to drive on a
course where people overtake each other.
Sam Nelson
Martin <m...@address.invalid> writes:
> Would you feel happier if he kept his money in the Isle of Man?
I'd feel happier if he paid his tax in the country in which he was
born and brought up. He owes it.
--
SAm.
GS
Oh look, a pedantic twat; you can't live with the fact that some people are
happy that Hamilton won the championship fair and square and so you resort
to crying all over this newsgroup about a sport you don't actually like. Why
don't fuck off and watch your repeats of Eastenders or whatever else makes
you happy you sad little man.
Sam Nelson
Martin <m...@address.invalid> writes:
When you pay income tax, one of the things you're paying for is the education
you had. You're also paying for healthcare you've already received, and for
basic infrastructure that was available when you were growing up. He owes it.
--
SAm.
Sam Nelson
"GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
>
> "Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:q1u2u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
> > In article <gemeu9$333$1...@aioe.org>,
> > "GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
> >>
> >> "Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:q0r2u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
> >> > In article <490e1e35$0$10552$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>,
> >> > Ar <A...@127.0.0.1> writes:
> >> >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck happened
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > Timo Glock?
> >> >>
> >> >> Glock let Lewis past.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than the
> >> >> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
> >> >
> >> > I thought the winner was the driver that scored the most points.
> >>
> >> It is, unless you are a Ferrari fan or a sore loser in which case Lewis
> >> stole the championship and should be banned for life for gaining more
> >> points
> >> than anyone else this year.
> >
> > Oh, and it's `fewer races', not `less'.
>
> Oh look, a pedantic twat; you can't live with the fact that some people are
> happy that Hamilton won the championship fair and square
I don't actually care all that much. I'm content with the fact that Hamilton
scored more points than anyone else, as you've quoted above. I'm concerned
at some of the incidents which lessened the number of points Hamilton
scored (dubious decisions by judges, for example) and I'm concerned by
some of the incidents which increased it (Glock slowing down yesterday,
for example) all of which tend to put F1 in a dubious state, from the
PoV of genuine sporting endeavour. If those things don't concern you,
you aren't paying enough attention to a sport of which you appear to be
an enthiusiast.
> and so you resort
> to crying all over this newsgroup about a sport you don't actually like.
But, as of next year, will be helping to pay to run. I therefore have a
stake in it, and I'm therefore allowed to express concern if it gives the
slightest hint of sleaze.
> Why
> don't fuck off and watch your repeats of Eastenders or whatever else makes
> you happy you sad little man.
Excellent stuff. Wake me up when September ends.
--
SAm.
GS
He'll already have paid more in tax in this country than I imagine most of
us ever will, and on radio 5 this morning the say he still pays some tax in
the UK.
Sir Krustov
<Martin>
<Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:53:49 +0100>
<sgptg4lqn40lmchkg...@4ax.com>
> >His parents paid that. Do you really believe that all expats should be putting
> >their savings in a UK bank?
> >Is his lack of whiteness what really upsets you?
> >I don't see any posts from you complaining about Jensen Button living in Monaco.
>
> nor about David Coulthard being a Monaco resident too.
>
DC owns and runs a hotel in monaco .
You find it strange and unusual that somebody wants to stay close to
their business ? .
Abo
You really are a fuckwit
Abo
Sam Nelson
Martin <m...@address.invalid> writes:
Wrong.
> Do you really believe that all expats should be putting
> their savings in a UK bank?
Yes. Just lke American ex-pats have to.
> Is his lack of whiteness what really upsets you?
Oh. So now I'm a suspect racist. Jerk.
> I don't see any posts from you complaining about Jensen Button living in
> Monaco.
I'll quite happily complain about any ex-pat that doesn't pay the tax back
to the UK that they ought to, and hereby do so. Hamilton's case made the
news more recently than most, that's all, so he's a good example.
--
SAm.
Sofa - Spud
He owes nothing - he hasn't always been a top F1 star, I suppose he
might have paid some tax in the past.
Sam Nelson
Not really the point. The point of taxation is that you pay your fair share.
If you make more, you pay more.
--
SAm.
Sam Nelson
Sam Nelson
So, it's completely acceptable to take advantage of the opportunities
presented by being born and brought up in the UK, and then, the moment
you achieve success, to piss off and not contribute your fair share back
to it so that future generations can benefit similarly? Why?
--
SAm.
Sir Krustov
<Sam Nelson>
<Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:10:30 +0000>
<6r93u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk>
> > > When you pay income tax, one of the things you're paying for is the education
> > > you had. You're also paying for healthcare you've already received, and for
> > > basic infrastructure that was available when you were growing up. He owes it.
> >
> > You really are a fuckwit
>
> Thanks.
>
Sofa - Spud
What happens if he doesn't agree with how his taxes are used?
To be honest if he buys stuff whilst he is here he'll pay VAT .
Mike
They made cars many years ago
--
Sam Nelson
If he lives here, he gets to vote.
> To be honest if he buys stuff whilst he is here he'll pay VAT .
If I buy stuff when abroad, I pay VAT there. And?
--
SAm.
Mike
(Shaun) wrote:
>
>Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
>DAMP track. Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
>deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
Presumably because he doesn't give a shit about anyone else in his
team who would get more points bonus money for finishing where he was
prior to him slowing down and giving away a 4th place for a 6th place.
His pit crew and the many people back at base who worked their nuts
off all season will be highly satisfied by him throwing their money
down the drain.
--
michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:o5a3u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
a) Unlike you, Lewis Hamilton never went to University which in your day meant
sponging off the taxpayer for three or four years so you could get yourself a better
paying job at the end of it.
b) There's no Government handouts for motor racing training in this country.
c) Hamiltons old man financed his early karting career entirely out of his own
pocket.
d) Living in Switzerland or wherever means the Sun and the tabloids aren't
doorstepping him every he goes to the shops. You wouldn't about any of that of
course as the only time a nobody like you would ever be of interest to the tabloids
might be if dogs or sheep could learn to talk.
e) Hamiltons old man seems even more driven that him, and so maybe Hamilton is
glad to get away from him every now and again.
f) Hamilton has claimed in the past to have suffered racial abuse - so maybe Hamilton
is glad to be getting away from all that as well.
g) Its a free country Hamilton can go and live where he pleases.
h) The fact that you're stuck in a shithole yourself is hardly the fault
of Lewis Hamiton.
michael adams
> --
> SAm.
Luke Curtis
<mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> wrote in message news:CgrPk.221374$dG5....@newsfe14.ams2...
>> "Shaun" <shaun.jam...@ntlwolrd.com> wrote in message
>> news:490e3b45....@news.virginmedia.com
>> > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:54 +0000, JR <not...@anymore.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ar wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:38:32 -0800, Ed wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> So Lewis Hamilton wins the championship. But what the heck
>> >>>> happened
>> >>>> with Timo Glock?
>> >>>
>> >>> Glock let Lewis past.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lewis must be proud to be a champion by winning less races than
>> >>> the
>> >>> second place man in the championship. Real class Lewis.
>> >>
>> >> Aren't you bleating enough over on rasf1?
>> >>
>> >> Glock was on dry tyres, his team-mate (also on dry) set almost
>> >> exactly
>> >> the same lap time and crossing the line he was a further 5 seconds
>> >> behind Lewis which he had lost BECAUSE HE WAS ON DRY TYRES ON A WET
>> >> TRACK.
>> >>
>> >> Get over yourself.
>> >
>> > Glock was lapping faster than Hamilton despite having dry tyres on a
>> > DAMP track.
>>
>>
>> Bullshit. The commentators said that Glock's quarter-lap (or whatever
>> it was) times were okay. They did not say he was lapping faster than
>> Hamilton when it was raining and Hamilton was on intermediates and
>> Glock was on slicks. Also, there was a couple of laps to go when they
>> said that, so it could have got a lot wetter very quickly - they all
>> changed tyres when there was only 5 laps to go.
>>
>>
>> > Not only did his fail to defend his postion but he
>> > deliberately slowed down to allow himself to be overtaken
>>
>>
>> I'm not at all convinced by this conspiracy theory nonsense.
>>
>> I also don't see WTF people have against Hamilton. Unless you're a
>> Jock, which would explain everything.
>
>
>Ar sole and Shorn are so dumb, that they never even noticed that Massa and
>Raikkonen have been driving to team orders in almost every other race this
>season with Raikkinen bending over and giving away places as and where
>necessary. Something Koveleinnen was never in any postion to do.
>As a result of which Massa stole at least one victory which should
>have been Raikkonens. So that if they had been drawn on points and Massa
>won the title based on the number of races won it would have beeen yet
>another Ferrari Fiddle.
>
The wet race that Hamilton won and then was stripped of (Belgium was
it?) was a sensational display of driving, I have watched F1 for most
of the last 20 years and that was one of the best performances I have
ever seen, one of the Ferraris span off 3 times but Lewis not only
kept it on the road in atrocious conditions but made fantastic passes.
>
>michael adams
>
>...
>
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Sam Nelson
says...
> a) Unlike you, Lewis Hamilton never went to University which in your day meant
> sponging off the taxpayer for three or four years so you could get yourself a better
> paying job at the end of it.
So I could pay more tax than average, thereby offsetting the cost of my
degree course. That one's easy. Hamilton presumably had the chouce---
he's clearly a smart bloke.
> b) There's no Government handouts for motor racing training in this country.
Irrelevant. Anyway, there's precious little in the way of handouts for
degree courses any more, or had you not noticed all the students
graduating with five-digit debts?
> c) Hamiltons old man financed his early karting career entirely out of his own
> pocket.
Which was his own choice. I fund similar leisure pursuits for my
children,
> d) Living in Switzerland or wherever means the Sun and the tabloids aren't
> doorstepping him every he goes to the shops.
You're going to be world-famous? Ger used to it. Try acting normally
for a change, and maybe they'll get bored. They're only looking for the
outrageous---if they get it, they'll keep coming back.
> You wouldn't about any of that of
> course as the only time a nobody like you would ever be of interest to the tabloids
> might be if dogs or sheep could learn to talk.
Irrelevant.
> e) Hamiltons old man seems even more driven that him, and so maybe Hamilton is
> glad to get away from him every now and again.
Despite the fact that he owes his father, big time, for getting him
where he is today?
> f) Hamilton has claimed in the past to have suffered racial abuse - so maybe Hamilton
> is glad to be getting away from all that as well.
Oh, and, like, there aren't any racists in Switzerland?
> g) Its a free country Hamilton can go and live where he pleases.
As long as he pays his tax, he can live where he likes.
> h) The fact that you're stuck in a shithole yourself is hardly the fault
> of Lewis Hamiton.
Shithole? I could go and live elsewhere if I wished. I choose to live
here. I have half a world to choose from for a place to live.
Do try harder next time. The above got you nowhere.
--
SAm.
Ian F.
news:gb5ug4p0qtsef0f3e...@4ax.com...
> They made cars many years ago
I intercepted them.
Ian
michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.237974532...@news.zen.co.uk...
> In article <6n8qktF...@mid.individual.net>, mjad...@onetlel.net.uk
> says...
> > a) Unlike you, Lewis Hamilton never went to University which in your day meant
> > sponging off the taxpayer for three or four years so you could get yourself a better
> > paying job at the end of it.
>
> So I could pay more tax than average, thereby offsetting the cost of my
> degree course. That one's easy.
...
But it was o.k for all the people who were at University at the same time as you
were who moved straightaway to better paying jobs aboad was it ? Or
are you saying they shuld all be dragged back to this country to pay
what they owe?
...
> Hamilton presumably had the chouce---
...
He can't travel backwards in time so he never had a choice of free grants
and tuition fees as you did. Free as in at the taxpayers expense anyway.
...
> he's clearly a smart bloke.
>
> > b) There's no Government handouts for motor racing training in this country.
>
> Irrelevant. Anyway, there's precious little in the way of handouts for
> degree courses any more, or had you not noticed all the students
> graduating with five-digit debts?
...
Eh?
The contrast is between the handouts you did get in the past -
and the handouts people who want take up motor racing such as Hamilton
never get.
...
>
> > c) Hamiltons old man financed his early karting career entirely out of his own
> > pocket.
>
> Which was his own choice. I fund similar leisure pursuits for my
> children,
...
Children ? And who's taxes pay for their education I wonder? You just said
above that all that tax you pay helped offest all the taxpayer handouts
you got as a student. And in any case, in all the time since you graduated
the Spivs and the Spivs Lite have been in office and income tax has
never been lower.
...
>
> > d) Living in Switzerland or wherever means the Sun and the tabloids aren't
> > doorstepping him every he goes to the shops.
>
> You're going to be world-famous? Ger used to it. Try acting normally
> for a change, and maybe they'll get bored. They're only looking for the
> outrageous---if they get it, they'll keep coming back.
...
That's crap. I buy the Mirror on Saturday for the telly pullout and
they had full page pictures of Kate Moss after getting off of an aeroplane
for no other reason that she had no make-up on. If a celeb doesn't act
up they taunt them until they do.
...
>
> > You wouldn't about any of that of
> > course as the only time a nobody like you would ever be of interest to the tabloids
> > might be if dogs or sheep could learn to talk.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
...
Not to them it isn't. But luckily for you no one will ever know, will they ?
...
> > e) Hamiltons old man seems even more driven that him, and so maybe Hamilton is
> > glad to get away from him every now and again.
>
> Despite the fact that he owes his father, big time, for getting him
> where he is today?
...
Come on. In fact I think its a bit unfair on Hamilton that his old man makes
such a thing of it. He's been driving the kid since he was small, the kid's
got the old man into the limelight and now maybe he should back off a bit.
Its probably the press more than anything encourages it - but he can't
be put in the position where he has to drag his old man around like a millsone
round his neck for the rest of his carreer.
Maybe moving to Switzerland was a polite way of getting him off his back.
...
>
> > f) Hamilton has claimed in the past to have suffered racial abuse - so maybe Hamilton
> > is glad to be getting away from all that as well.
>
> Oh, and, like, there aren't any racists in Switzerland?
...
Most likely Hamilton lives in a gated millionaire apartment or enclave.
He may even live on a rented estate with a helipad. Again if he did that
in the UK it would be all over the papers how he was getting above himself.
...
>
> > g) Its a free country Hamilton can go and live where he pleases.
>
> As long as he pays his tax, he can live where he likes.
>
> > h) The fact that you're stuck in a shithole yourself is hardly the fault
> > of Lewis Hamiton.
>
> Shithole? I could go and live elsewhere if I wished.
There are wealth qualifications for places like Switzerland, Monaco, the IOM
and Channel Isles for a start.
Doubtless if Hamilton was a smiling smarbag, like a genuine tax exile
such as the scum Branson, credulous types such as yourself wouldn't even
notice but would be lapping up his every word, and saying what a great
person he was.
Somehow the fact that Hamilton stands on a podium proudly waving a Union Jack
and making others proud to be British - which is worth rather more than
a few quid in tax in any case, seems to upset people like you.
Presumably you'd much rather he was dragging this countries image through the
mud in some way, so you could really feel superior.
michael adams
...
> I choose to live
> here. I have half a world to choose from for a place to live.
...
michael adams
"Luke Curtis" <lu...@NOSPAM.whofan.plus.com> wrote in message
news:mqkug494s2ccjaha0...@4ax.com...
> >
>
> The wet race that Hamilton won and then was stripped of (Belgium was
> it?) was a sensational display of driving, I have watched F1 for most
> of the last 20 years and that was one of the best performances I have
> ever seen, one of the Ferraris span off 3 times but Lewis not only
> kept it on the road in atrocious conditions but made fantastic passes.
I read an article the other day explaining how Hamilton's superior co-ordination
and reaction times mean that they can set less down force on his cars than
for any other driver which gives him a big advantage. Less of the power going
into the tarmac and rubber. With any other driver the same settings would have
them spinning all over the road.
With his style of driving he can also weaken and destroy the walls of the tires
however, although the technicalities of that one escaped me.
There was a bit of an ominous phrase in one of his statements something
to the effect " I'd like to thank Ron Dennis for his support since
I started, and..... I've now repayed him for all that support".
I'm not really up to speed on the engines they've got lined up for next
year and if MacLaren are expected to stay competetive but that sounds
like an indication he'd have no compuction about moving elsewhwere.
Ron Dennis retiring would make it easier of course but he missed out
on the constructors championship this year so maybe he'll hang on
for another try. Thankfully he didn't throw it in after Ferrarigate
as many of the pundits were predicting but stuffed Max Mosely instead.
Allegedly.
michael adams
...
GS
> In article <6n8qktF...@mid.individual.net>, mjad...@onetlel.net.uk
> says...
>> a) Unlike you, Lewis Hamilton never went to University which in your day
>> meant
>> sponging off the taxpayer for three or four years so you could get
>> yourself a better
>> paying job at the end of it.
>
> So I could pay more tax than average, thereby offsetting the cost of my
> degree course. That one's easy. Hamilton presumably had the chouce---
> he's clearly a smart bloke.
So what, Hamilton would have paid more in tax from his huge earnings to date
so you're even. The fact that Hamilton will already have paid back whatever
money the government provided for his education and health care to date must
be hard for you to grasp. Now that he earns a reasonable amount he does not
need the NHS to provide him with an average health care service, and if he
has children you can bet he won't be sending them to some grubby
comprehensive school - he will fund everything from his own pocket. It does
show what a sad person you must be, rather than be happy for someone getting
on and winning something you have to pick fault with how they've done it and
where they live.
Carl Waring
> But, as of next year, will be helping to pay to run.
No you won't.
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Sam Nelson
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> writes:
> There are wealth qualifications for places like Switzerland, Monaco, the IOM
> and Channel Isles for a start.
I wouldn't want to live in any of those places. I've been to IoM and the
Channel Islands. The former is a shithole, the latter OK for a visit but
nothing else. I could safely say I wouldn't want to live anywhere with a
wealth qualification because it's likely to be full of arseholes with more
money than sense. I've seriously considered NZ more than once.
> Doubtless if Hamilton was a smiling smarbag, like a genuine tax exile
> such as the scum Branson, credulous types such as yourself wouldn't even
> notice but would be lapping up his every word, and saying what a great
> person he was.
I haven't a clue what you're getting at there. I must be missing something.
> Somehow the fact that Hamilton stands on a podium proudly waving a Union Jack
> and making others proud to be British - which is worth rather more than
> a few quid in tax in any case, seems to upset people like you.
How do you make people proud to be British when you immediately piss off?
I'm reminded of that great Scottish Nationalist, Sean Connery.
> Presumably you'd much rather he was dragging this countries image through the
> mud in some way, so you could really feel superior.
Why would you think that? Could it possibly be because you want to make it
look as if I hold an opinion that actually, I don't? Surely not.
I couldn't be bothered to argue with most of this. It was shit.
--
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Sam Nelson
"GS" <g...@nospamthanks.comm> writes:
>
> "Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.237974532...@news.zen.co.uk...
> > In article <6n8qktF...@mid.individual.net>, mjad...@onetlel.net.uk
> > says...
> >> a) Unlike you, Lewis Hamilton never went to University which in your day
> >> meant
> >> sponging off the taxpayer for three or four years so you could get
> >> yourself a better
> >> paying job at the end of it.
> >
> > So I could pay more tax than average, thereby offsetting the cost of my
> > degree course. That one's easy. Hamilton presumably had the chouce---
> > he's clearly a smart bloke.
>
> So what, Hamilton would have paid more in tax from his huge earnings to date
> so you're even. The fact that Hamilton will already have paid back whatever
> money the government provided for his education and health care to date must
> be hard for you to grasp.
He is paid more money than average (I hesitate to use the word `earn'; the
difference between what someone earns and what they're paid is not
appreciated widely enough) so he gets to pay back more. So, as it happens,
do I---but not quite to the same degree.
> Now that he earns a reasonable amount he does not
> need the NHS to provide him with an average health care service, and if he
> has children you can bet he won't be sending them to some grubby
> comprehensive school - he will fund everything from his own pocket.
What is the relevance of the above to the discussion?
> It does show what a sad person you must be
I prefer `just'. I would be happy for Hamilton if I thought he was actually
joining in, but he isn't. The aspiration of the successful Briton is
apparently to piss off. Why would I be happy about that?
> rather than be happy for someone getting
> on and winning something you have to pick fault with how they've done it and
> where they live.
I'm supposed to be overjoyed that Hamilton (and his like, I won't be taken
to task over him specifically) benefit from all the opportunities the UK
has to offer and then pisses off without joining in? He can live where he
likes---as long as he pays his tax.
We're continually told that motor-racing is a sport in which the UK is
strong, on the R&D front, anyway. It's just rather sad that the whole point
of success in the UK is to be able to leave, when, actually, it isn't a bad
place to be. Or is everyone else just saving up to leave?
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michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:7oe5u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
> In article <6n9g6bF...@mid.individual.net>,
>
> > Somehow the fact that Hamilton stands on a podium proudly waving a Union Jack
> > and making others proud to be British - which is worth rather more than
> > a few quid in tax in any case, seems to upset people like you.
>
> How do you make people proud to be British when you immediately piss off?
> I'm reminded of that great Scottish Nationalist, Sean Connery.
Er I think you'll find the clue there is in the words "Scottish Nationalist".
I'm not a Jimmy McPisshead myself, and neither as I understand it are
you. However as you have chosen to live amongst them, maybe the thought
had never occured to you that er "Scottish Nationalists" resent paying
taxes to the Westminster Parliament, more especially since the discovery
of North Sea Oil.
On a related Jimmy McPisshead note, given his slurred delivery on "Match
of the Day" - totally innocent no doubt, maybe its a bit unwise of
Alan Hansen to be sitting there advertising Morrisons Hooch with
the bottles right in front of him. Dunno.
>
> I couldn't be bothered to argue with most of this. It was shit.
No it wasn't. You had no answer to my substantive points and you know it.
michael adams
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> SAm.
michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:mcf5u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
>
> We're continually told that motor-racing is a sport in which the UK is
> strong, on the R&D front, anyway. It's just rather sad that the whole point
> of success in the UK is to be able to leave, when, actually, it isn't a bad
> place to be. Or is everyone else just saving up to leave?
> --
> SAm.
McClaren is mainly owned by foreign investors. Mercedes of course and Tag Heuer
the chronograph company, a big owner\sponsor are owned by some Middle Eastern guy.
Oil money owns a lot of the West End of London, and in your own neck of the woods
a lot of Grouse moors, and the greasy scum Fayed owns quite a big Scottish estate.
However - I worked out long ago it doesn't really matter who "owns" a lot of this
stuff in the long run, they can't take it with them out of the country, and just
so long as they're providing jobs, and paying for the maintenance of all this
stuff then that's a positive benefit to the country.
The whole Formula I circus is in any case the creation of the dwarf
Ecclestone who as a result has attracted a lot of foreign money into the
UK which would have otherwise gone elsewhere. FI is an international sport
played out on an international stage.
michael adams
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Sam Nelson
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> writes:
> > I couldn't be bothered to argue with most of this. It was shit.
>
> No it wasn't. You had no answer to my substantive points and you know it.
I have an absolutely solid case, and I've made it. No-one has given me
anything back apart from `you must be really sad' and `why do you not
celebrate our heroes' and `people can live where they like' and `it's the
tabloids' and similar shit. I've seen nothing that so much as dents the
case---certainly not from you.
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GS
> We're continually told that motor-racing is a sport in which the UK is
> strong, on the R&D front, anyway. It's just rather sad that the whole
> point
> of success in the UK is to be able to leave, when, actually, it isn't a
> bad
> place to be. Or is everyone else just saving up to leave?
With people like you in the country can you blame them for wanting to leave?
GS
When has it been grammatically correct to break a sentence with three
hyphens?
michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:egj5u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
In other words you can see no possible reason why somebody in Lewis Hamilton's
position should want to go and live in Switzerland, except so as to avoid paying
too much Income Tax.
Which merely shows a lack of imagination on your part, and the fact that you're
clearly obsessed with money. And the fact that some other lucky sods are
clearly getting their hands on a whole lot more of it than you ever will. Ever.
Eaten away with it, you are.
And just think chum, unlike you do, Lewis Hamilton can't get the suitcase out from
under the bed and count out all his money on the kitchen table every Friday night
as he he'd have to stand on a chair to see over the top of it.
michael adams
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Sam Nelson
Obviously not. When I'm here all on my own, I'll still be right.
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Sam Nelson
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetlel.net.uk> writes:
> In other words you can see no possible reason why somebody in Lewis
> Hamilton's position should want to go and live in Switzerland, except
> so as to avoid paying too much Income Tax.
Given that Hamilton has admitted as much on a high-audience national TV
programme, it seems pointless to suggest anything else. He mutters about
tabloid attention and racism, but actually it's tax.
> Which merely shows a lack of imagination on your part, and the fact that
> you're clearly obsessed with money.
Clearly it isn't a fact, because I'm not. You think I'm still doing this
job for cash?
> And the fact that some other lucky sods are clearly getting their hands
> on a whole lot more of it than you ever will. Ever. Eaten away with it,
> you are.
Given that your premise is shit, I don't need to answer this.
> And just think chum
I am not your chum. Neither are you mine.
> unlike you do, Lewis Hamilton can't get the suitcase
> out from under the bed and count out all his money on the kitchen
> table every Friday night as he he'd have to stand on a chair to see
> over the top of it.
What _is_ this? Personal trolling? If not, what?
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Sam Nelson
It's a habit learned from years of using LaTeX. I'm not writing for
a publisher here. You can have semicolons if you prefer.
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michael adams
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message news:feu5u5-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
Trolling ?
What's that ?