On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:13:23 +0100, Izo Mezzo <I...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> More worrying is not that he's a cheat, probably v.handy in special >>> services, but the fact that it was such a crackpot plan. One has to then >>> wonder if he hasn't hatched and implemented any other crackpot plans >>> over the years. His underestimation of his enemy on this occasion is >>> especially disturbing. Let's hope no-one has or is suffering for any >>> past idiotic endeavor he might of convinced his deluded self into pursuing. >>Seeing his performance you are left wondering >>how he got to his rank, coughs, sneezes and a lot of cash. >>He's more blackadder's WWI than today's modern army. >>I Wonder why he left. >He got a Cough Marshal. >...sorry.
He got put in a cell, and someone came to Locket up. ....sorry.
Your understanding of the purpose of an IQ test is flawed. IQ isn't meant to be a measure of knowledge. What it measures is your mental capacity/ability, that doesn't mean you've used it. The _official_ tests are designed and tested extensively to minimize any difference in results based on knowledge, literacy, academic background, and any experience taking puzzles or previous IQ tests. In the real world you would never see more than up to about a 5 point difference between people based on all these factors and equal mental capacity.
> Why do > they need to join a club or society for people who did well in an IQ test, > for heaven's sake?
Because an IQ test is the best measurement we have for mental ability. Surely you prefer associating with like-minded people, who can engage you in stimulating conversation, and can follow your train of thought? It's not so easy to find these people in your local bar you know. Mensa has a 98th percentile cut-off, so we get to associate with people we'd have never of met in our day-to-day lives. It's no different from any other grouping of people, where you come together based on a shared commonality.
That's not to say it's everyone's cup of tea. I myself joined, left after 3 years, and rejoined 5 years later.
> Second, why on earth is it called 'Mensa'?
1. Mensa, Table (e.g. round table) 2. Mens, Mind 3. Mensis, month (as in monthly meetings)
> >Your understanding of the purpose of an IQ test is flawed. IQ isn't meant to > >be a measure of knowledge. What it measures is your mental capacity/ability,
> An example of a flawed hypothesis, right before our eyes.
> Your understanding of the purpose of an IQ test is flawed. IQ isn't meant to > be a measure of knowledge. What it measures is your mental capacity/ability, > that doesn't mean you've used it. The _official_ tests are designed and > tested extensively to minimize any difference in results based on knowledge, > literacy, academic background, and any experience taking puzzles or previous > IQ tests. In the real world you would never see more than up to about a 5 > point difference between people based on all these factors and equal mental > capacity.
In the real world....... a friend of mine and his whole class took a Mensa test and then their tutor coached them into how to take the tests for a while. The result was an average 10 point jump for the class. Even membership of Mensa isn't worth the paper it is printed on, as they are so money-minded that they have lowered the standards so almost anyone can get in!
Also, there is little point in having an enormous capacity for learning if one has so much intellectual and emotional 'baggage' that little of that capacity is utilised. -- Steve
blue wrote: > Last night we saw Major Charles Ingram cheat.
> The plan was to repeat all the questions and > on the correct one they'd be a cough from another > contestant.
> Not only is Major Charles Ingram dumb at questions > he was also shown to be dumb at cheating.
> His cheating help didn't cough on one, seemingly not knowing > the answer and so his wife in the audience had to step in > as Major was about to pick the wrong one out of two. She not > only had cough once but again as he went through them again.
> By asking for so many confirmations he made the whole > scam completely obvious to the other contestants.
> On some he read out all four answers about four times > getting the cough just after the right one each time.
> Though wonder his wife's eyes were rolling around in > anguish all the time. Perhaps she was hoping Hittock > would stop coughing and making all so obviooiuse. > The sound not only focusing on Hittock's cough but also > picking up him asking fellow contestants for confirmantion > to the answers before coughing.
> Major also thought he knew one and didn't ask for help > and as he was going for it as his help had to cough with > a NO! when he repeated the wrong answer and blow his nose loud.
Did the program mention whether whittock coughed at any other time during the filming, such as while the questions were being read out or in the breaks? The No thing was a bit odd, especially as they later said that the code for wrong was blowing the nose
> In the real world....... a friend of mine and his whole class took a Mensa > test and then their tutor coached them into how to take the tests for a > while. The result was an average 10 point jump for the class.
That's hardly a realistic example, it's more akin to cheating. There's no point in cheating your Mensa test, it's just a social group.
> Even > membership of Mensa isn't worth the paper it is printed on, as they are so > money-minded that they have lowered the standards so almost anyone can get > in!
Only 2% of the population are elligable. Mensa is hardly booming.
> Also, there is little point in having an enormous capacity for learning if > one has so much intellectual and emotional 'baggage' that little of that > capacity is utilised.
I never said intelligence is the highest measure of a man, it most certainly is not, you need to stop being so defensive ;-)
> Your understanding of the purpose of an IQ test is flawed. IQ isn't meant to > be a measure of knowledge. What it measures is your mental capacity/ability, > that doesn't mean you've used it. The _official_ tests are designed and > tested extensively to minimize any difference in results based on knowledge, > literacy, academic background, and any experience taking puzzles or previous > IQ tests. In the real world you would never see more than up to about a 5 > point difference between people based on all these factors and equal mental > capacity.
> > Why do > > they need to join a club or society for people who did well in an IQ test, > > for heaven's sake?
> Because an IQ test is the best measurement we have for mental ability. > Surely you prefer associating with like-minded people, who can engage you in > stimulating conversation, and can follow your train of thought? It's not so > easy to find these people in your local bar you know. Mensa has a 98th > percentile cut-off, so we get to associate with people we'd have never of > met in our day-to-day lives. It's no different from any other grouping of > people, where you come together based on a shared commonality.
> That's not to say it's everyone's cup of tea. I myself joined, left after 3 > years, and rejoined 5 years later.
> > Second, why on earth is it called 'Mensa'?
> 1. Mensa, Table (e.g. round table) > 2. Mens, Mind > 3. Mensis, month (as in monthly meetings)
Yeah. It's like the big red wee really.
Love Zsa Zsa xxxxxxxxxxxx PS Yes, I do know it's really called menses.
> "Steve Frazer" <steve_fra...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:b85n9i$62ik3$1@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de... > > In the real world....... a friend of mine and his whole class took a Mensa > > test and then their tutor coached them into how to take the tests for a > > while. The result was an average 10 point jump for the class.
> That's hardly a realistic example, it's more akin to cheating. There's no > point in cheating your Mensa test, it's just a social group.
But people do!
> > Even > > membership of Mensa isn't worth the paper it is printed on, as they are so > > money-minded that they have lowered the standards so almost anyone can get > > in!
> Only 2% of the population are elligable. Mensa is hardly booming.
Far more than 2% now, that figure was from 20 years ago!!
> > Also, there is little point in having an enormous capacity for learning if > > one has so much intellectual and emotional 'baggage' that little of that > > capacity is utilised.
> I never said intelligence is the highest measure of a man, it most certainly > is not, you need to stop being so defensive ;-)
Merely putting the discussion into context....... -- Steve
>Because an IQ test is the best measurement we have for mental ability. >Surely you prefer associating with like-minded people, who can engage you in >stimulating conversation, and can follow your train of thought? It's not so >easy to find these people in your local bar you know.
Quite. Which is why God invented uk.media.tv.misc. :-)
> "Steve Frazer" <steve_fra...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:b8696b$6p1t2$1@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de... > > > Only 2% of the population are elligable. Mensa is hardly booming. > > Far more than 2% now, that figure was from 20 years ago!! > What? Are you suggesting the mean IQ for the population of earth has risen?! > It was still 100 last time I checked.
http://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/publications/geneticsandhb/rep000000... p "Footnotes 3 Medawar, P. (1982). Pluto's Republic. Oxford: Oxford University Press. Another common criticism of IQ tests arises from the 'Flynn effect', first noted by Professor James Flynn in 1987 (Psychol. Bull. 101, 171) that the average IQ of individuals has been rising steadily since the measurement was first introduced. In January 2002 he reported that the Flynn Effect is particularly great in Britain, which has seen a 27 point increase in average IQ since World War II, compared to a 24 point rise in the US."
I recall a figure of 110 abot 10 years ago.... Also the entry level for Mensa has been reduced, it use to be higher! -- Steve
> "Steve Frazer" <steve_fra...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:b8696b$6p1t2$1@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de... > > > Only 2% of the population are elligable. Mensa is hardly booming. > > Far more than 2% now, that figure was from 20 years ago!! > What? Are you suggesting the mean IQ for the population of earth has risen?! > It was still 100 last time I checked.
http://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/publications/geneticsandhb/rep000000... p "Footnotes 3 Medawar, P. (1982). Pluto's Republic. Oxford: Oxford University Press. Another common criticism of IQ tests arises from the 'Flynn effect', first noted by Professor James Flynn in 1987 (Psychol. Bull. 101, 171) that the average IQ of individuals has been rising steadily since the measurement was first introduced. In January 2002 he reported that the Flynn Effect is particularly great in Britain, which has seen a 27 point increase in average IQ since World War II, compared to a 24 point rise in the US."
http://www.psychol.ucl.ac.uk/vdu/B001/individiffs1.html "Changes over time In US the mean IQ of conscripts in World War 1 was 12 points lower than the mean IQ of conscripts in World War 2 (using the same test. On average IQ rises 3 points per decade. The average IQ in 2002 is thus 15 points higher than the average IQ in 1950. This is true for US, UK and Japan, indicating a rise over the century of 27 points."
Also the entry level for Mensa has been reduced, it use to be higher! -- Steve
> >I think you should expect trouble when you dangle so much > >money under peoples noses. These modern abusive programmes > >play on the edge of peoples emotions so your are going to > >get heat.
> And this month's award for the highest number of superfluous metaphors > in one post goes to........... > --
Do you know I'm killfilled in fifteen stellar systems for that sole reason :)
> > Major also thought he knew one and didn't ask for help > > and as he was going for it as his help had to cough with > > a NO! when he repeated the wrong answer and blow his nose loud.
> Did the program mention whether whittock coughed at any other time > during the filming, such as while the questions were being read out or > in the breaks? > The No thing was a bit odd, especially as they later said that the > code for wrong was blowing the nose
I don't think Major as stated was up on the plan and that's why the 'NO' had to come in. Perhaps once that was done he could nose blow.
They highlighted the Hittocks coughs that made their case. There were other coughs in the background, we are led to believe these weren't Hittock's. Certainly to be fair you'd have to hear every single utterance of Hittock.
> One may as well begin with blue's letter to uk.media.tv.misc:
> [..] > > They highlighted the Hittocks coughs > [..]
> Never have I known a guy's surname to be the subject of so much > play on words. My favourite two so far are Tecwen Fuckwittock > and Tarquin Bollock.
> One may as well begin with blue's letter to uk.media.tv.misc:
> [..] > > They highlighted the Hittocks coughs > [..]
> Never have I known a guy's surname to be the subject of so much > play on words. My favourite two so far are Tecwen Fuckwittock > and Tarquin Bollock.
> Can anybody better that? ;) > -- > Lee J. Moore > l...@dsl.pipex.com
I've had a look and also spotted. 'up on the plan' 'come in.' 'nose blow.'
Coughs/whatever. You can't say nothing with this language :(
> > >Your understanding of the purpose of an IQ test is flawed. IQ isn't meant > to > > >be a measure of knowledge. What it measures is your mental > capacity/ability,
> > An example of a flawed hypothesis, right before our eyes.
> Except that he was right.......
If the measure of greatness was left to IQ tests they'd be no great leaders, writers, painters...
>>One may as well begin with blue's letter to uk.media.tv.misc:
>>[..]
>>>They highlighted the Hittocks coughs
>>[..]
>>Never have I known a guy's surname to be the subject of so much >>play on words. My favourite two so far are Tecwen Fuckwittock >>and Tarquin Bollock.
>>> One may as well begin with blue's letter to uk.media.tv.misc:
>>> [..]
>>>> They highlighted the Hittocks coughs
>>> [..]
>>> Never have I known a guy's surname to be the subject of so much >>> play on words. My favourite two so far are Tecwen Fuckwittock >>> and Tarquin Bollock.
