Little Britain Racist and Offensive
BigCheese
wait for
it - yes British.
They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky Pollard),
working class as
racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
xenophobic bigots
(Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
And all this on BBC One!!!
In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the eastern
European a scrounging pimp.
After all, its only fair isn't it?
sofa-spud
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blokes are trying to make.
or it maybe its just me
Lee@DVDDebate
You really do talk some drivel, don't you? I'm not saying you're at
the point where you should be locked up, but your medication
definitely needs upping.
Lee.
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BigCheese
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Explain the point please.
BigCheese
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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0000, "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> >wait for
> >it - yes British.
> >They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
Pollard),
> >working class as
> >racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class
as
> >xenophobic bigots
> >(Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
> >
> >Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> >And all this on BBC One!!!
> >
> >In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
> >
> >With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> >shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
eastern
> >European a scrounging pimp.
> >
> >After all, its only fair isn't it?
> >
> You really do talk some drivel, don't you? I'm not saying you're at
> the point where you should be locked up, but your medication
> definitely needs upping.
Why? Come on. Speak up. What is wrong with my post. Silly little insults
mean nothing.
Address the issue.
Damot
>I feel and its just a feeling that you may have missed the point the 2
>blokes are trying to make.
>
>or it maybe its just me
>
I think the expression is "Whoooosh!!!!!"!! :-)
BigCheese
Damot
I take the program as making fun of *the way we stereotype* people. Not the
actual stereotyping itself.
matt
Racist or not, it isn't offensive; not to me, anyway.
BigCheese
Ohh right. So each joke is "once removed" then. Very clever.
By the same token then, "Little Immigrant" would be hilarious wouldn't it,
as isn't the immigrant stereotyped to the "nth degree"?
A Jew-boy money lender, for example, would be side-splittingly funny
wouldn't it?
Why did the BBC censor Del Boy saying the word "Irish" in an episode of OFAH
recently repeated.
After all we wouldn't be laughing at the Irish joke would we?
No, we would be laughing at the way we stereotype a cockney market trader
who makes Irish jokes.
But then again, you could be talking tosh.
LJM
I sort of agree and disagree. I think it's inoffensive merely because
stereotypes /are/ oversimplified conceptions which aren't entirely
accurate...and the comedy seems to be based upon that very notion. The
OP's point is interesting though...but I can't really comment fairly
unless I watch the DVD again. I never watched the first series when
broadcast, but got the DVD instead. Likewise I only caught bits of the
second series. I can only recall Vicky Pollard's boyfriend as a valid
example...but his 'stereotyped Englishness' was funny because it was so
ironic at many levels. (His manner, conduct and speech was arguably
more 'English' than any other character according to the more foreign,
Hugh Grant-like stereotype of Englishness.)
--
Lee J. Moore
Damot
>> >Come on. Explain.
>>
>> I take the program as making fun of *the way we stereotype* people. Not
>the
>> actual stereotyping itself.
>
>Ohh right. So each joke is "once removed" then. Very clever.
>By the same token then, "Little Immigrant" would be hilarious wouldn't it,
>as isn't the immigrant stereotyped to the "nth degree"?
Yep, Little Immigrant would be hilarious.
>
>A Jew-boy money lender, for example, would be side-splittingly funny
>wouldn't it?
Yes.
>
>Why did the BBC censor Del Boy saying the word "Irish" in an episode of OFAH
>recently repeated.
>After all we wouldn't be laughing at the Irish joke would we?
>
>
>No, we would be laughing at the way we stereotype a cockney market trader
>who makes Irish jokes.
How about sticking to the subject of your original post?
>
>But then again, you could be talking tosh.
Personally I can't stand Little Britain, but I think I understood the point of
the program. If I haven't then so be it.
Since you just find it so offensive, I suggest you stick to OFH.
BigCheese
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:00:37 -0000, "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Come on. Explain.
> >>
> >> I take the program as making fun of *the way we stereotype* people. Not
> >the
> >> actual stereotyping itself.
> >
> >Ohh right. So each joke is "once removed" then. Very clever.
> >By the same token then, "Little Immigrant" would be hilarious wouldn't
it,
> >as isn't the immigrant stereotyped to the "nth degree"?
>
> Yep, Little Immigrant would be hilarious.
>
> >
> >A Jew-boy money lender, for example, would be side-splittingly funny
> >wouldn't it?
>
> Yes.
>
> >
> >Why did the BBC censor Del Boy saying the word "Irish" in an episode of
OFAH
> >recently repeated.
> >After all we wouldn't be laughing at the Irish joke would we?
> >
> >
> >No, we would be laughing at the way we stereotype a cockney market trader
> >who makes Irish jokes.
>
>
> How about sticking to the subject of your original post?
Uhm. I thought I was.
I have addressed the point you made.
If you want to condescend, as shown by your first contribution, then try to
back it up with a reasoned argument.
JJ
> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
> is - wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> Pollard), working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
> class as xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
Yes Majorie Dawes is racist but where do they sterotype all working class as
racist?
Yes Daffyd is Gay and Welsh, where do they sterotype all Welsh as Gay?
etc.
They are extreme characters but they are not sterotyping any particular race
or class as anything. Thats like saying having a black male criminal on the
Bill sterotypes all black males as criminals which is obviously nonsense.
> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> And all this on BBC One!!!
>
> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
I guess you could have a comedy character who was an immigrant yes.
> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> shagger - maybe all three.
Ali G already covers some of that
>The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> eastern European a scrounging pimp.
Can't think of any examples of these but as long as you are not saying all
..... are ....... then what is the problem?
>
> After all, its only fair isn't it?
I really don't see the problem.
Little britain is just a load of sketches about ridiculously extreme
characters in stupid situations. Not much different to a lot of comedy.
Maybe men should be annoyed for being sterotyped as dressing up as women!
JJ
Dr. Sunil
You must have missed Matt Lucas blacked up as a heavily-accented Asian
shopkeeper!
Ted
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It would be fair and would also be an act of "inclusivity",
unfortunately the groups you refer to are sacred cows and the BEEB no doubt
feel that they are pushing the boundaries with Little Britain as it is.
Maria
Thank heavens for Goodness Gracious Me then! Taking the piss out of
Hindus *and* Muslims?
Outrageous pushing of boundaries, what!
BigCheese
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> BigCheese wrote:
> > It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
> > is - wait for
> > it - yes British.
> > They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> > Pollard), working class as
> > racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
> > class as xenophobic bigots
> > (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
> Yes Majorie Dawes is racist but where do they sterotype all working class
as
> racist?
There representations are stereotypes. How else could it be done?
> They are extreme characters but they are not sterotyping any particular
race
> or class as anything. Thats like saying having a black male criminal on
the
> Bill sterotypes all black males as criminals which is obviously nonsense.
So positive discrimination is nonsense? I go along with that. But that isn't
the way things *are*.
> > Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> > And all this on BBC One!!!
> >
> > In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
> I guess you could have a comedy character who was an immigrant yes.
Stereotyping negative stereotypical racial traits? Don't make me laugh.
> > With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> > shagger - maybe all three.
>
> Ali G already covers some of that
*Used* to cover some of that - and he was roundly castigated by the black
media at the time for stereotypic black men in a negative fashion.
> >The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> > eastern European a scrounging pimp.
>
> Can't think of any examples of these but as long as you are not saying all
> ..... are ....... then what is the problem?
>
> >
> > After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
> I really don't see the problem.
>
> Little britain is just a load of sketches about ridiculously extreme
> characters in stupid situations. Not much different to a lot of comedy.
>
> Maybe men should be annoyed for being sterotyped as dressing up as women!
Maybe they should. But you miss the point.
BigCheese
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Yes I admit I did miss that. What was the joke?
David Boothroyd
"BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> wait for it - yes British.
Why don't you try buying a sense of humour?
PS ever see the minstrel sketches from series 1?
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Was it really? Don' think so.
A comedy with Hindius and Muslims in it doesn't mean its taking the piss out
of them in a negative, racially stereotypically way does it?
Or perhaps it does in Mariaworld.
Leighton Jones
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> wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> Pollard),
> working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
> xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
Not really steriotyping anything are they.
E.G. Daffyd is "The Only Gay in The Village".
That wouldn't be so bad would it, One Gay per village ;-)
I think it's all about keeping your sence of humour?
If however what your trying to say is that people are affraid to take the
P*** out of Ethnic Minoroties, then you may have something!
I think that all comedians / script writers etc now have a duty to take the
piss out of immigrants / religions ( All of them ) now, so that we can see
who or what comes out of the wood work!
Before it's to late.
Cheers LJ
BigCheese
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> In article <41daa343$0$16590$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> > wait for it - yes British.
>
> Why don't you try buying a sense of humour?
>
> PS ever see the minstrel sketches from series 1?
That would be taking the piss out of *white* people. Keep up.
LJM
Hey Leighton, you rambled in uk.media.tv.misc like so...
>
[..]
> Not really steriotyping anything are they.
> E.G. Daffyd is "The Only Gay in The Village".
> That wouldn't be so bad would it, One Gay per village ;-)
That's bloody terrible if you're Daffyd. You've got to go all the way
to Cardiiiiiff, whenever you want a shaaaaag.
[..]
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It's comedy, if one were to explain it, it would lose it's appeal.
BigCheese
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>
> "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> > wait for
> > it - yes British.
> E.G. Daffyd is "The Only Gay in The Village".
> That wouldn't be so bad would it, One Gay per village ;-)
>
> P*** out of Ethnic Minoroties, then you may have something!
Wow! Leighton. A first for you. You've shown a little insight. The two
issues are flip sides of the same coin.
BTW I assume you are Welsh and so I bow to your authority on Welsh queerdom.
Von Gibbling
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> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> wait for
> it - yes British.
> Pollard),
> working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
> xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
> And all this on BBC One!!!
>
> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> eastern
> European a scrounging pimp.
>
> After all, its only fair isn't it?
Why don't you phuck off back to your c*nting little BNP shit-hole and die.
Should have know what you were when you started whining about the use of
'ethnic' terms in English.
Oh, and by the way - we have your IP, so start looking forward to some fun
and games.
>
>
>
Dr. Sunil
something).
Shopkeeper (with accent), behind counter: Thirsty?
Customer picks up snack (crisps or chocolate).
Shopkeeper: Hungry?
Customer picks up newspaper.
Shopkeeper: You wish to keep up with current events? {or words to that
effect}
Customer nervously goes for the top shelf, taking a magazine.
Shopkeeper: You wish to masturbate?
Cheeky
>It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
>wait for
>it - yes British.
>They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky Pollard),
>working class as
>racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
>xenophobic bigots
>(Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
>Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
>And all this on BBC One!!!
>
>In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
>With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
>shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the eastern
>European a scrounging pimp.
>
>After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
>
No, it's just shit (IMHO).
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mick
Unless they do what straight Welshmen do. This of course begs the question,
do gay Welshmen have the same affection for the...erm...`woolly` folk:-)
mick
Mike Cawood, HND BIT
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is -
> wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
Pollard),
> working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
class as
> xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> And all this on BBC One!!!
>
> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
eastern
> European a scrounging pimp.
>
> After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
>
>
seriously.
I shall now have a great big vomit all over you.
Regards Mike.
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JJ
> "JJ" <n...@cantbebothered.com> wrote in message
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>> BigCheese wrote:
>>> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
>>> is - wait for
>>> it - yes British.
>>> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
>>> Pollard), working class as
>>> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
>>> class as xenophobic bigots
>>> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards
>>> (Harvey).
>>
>> Yes Majorie Dawes is racist but where do they sterotype all working
>> class as racist?
>
> There representations are stereotypes. How else could it be done?
>
By having every working class person in the program as racist. By simply
stating that all class people are racist.
>
>> They are extreme characters but they are not sterotyping any
>> particular race or class as anything. Thats like saying having a
>> black male criminal on the Bill sterotypes all black males as
>> criminals which is obviously nonsense.
>
> So positive discrimination is nonsense? I go along with that. But
> that isn't the way things *are*.
I've seen black criminals on TV what is your point?
>
>
>>> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
>>> And all this on BBC One!!!
>>>
>>> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>>
>> I guess you could have a comedy character who was an immigrant yes.
>
> Stereotyping negative stereotypical racial traits? Don't make me
> laugh.
>
Have you ever seen Jerry Sadowitch? He made me laugh.
>
>>> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
>>> shagger - maybe all three.
>>
>> Ali G already covers some of that
>
> *Used* to cover some of that - and he was roundly castigated by the
> black media at the time for stereotypic black men in a negative
> fashion.
Well his last series wasn't that long ago, not that it makes much
difference. I'm sure somone will complain about Little Britain. Again what
is your point? If you want to "make it fair" go and make a comedy series
with a little imigrant in it and if its funny I'll laugh my arse off.
>
>
>>> The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
>>> eastern European a scrounging pimp.
>>
>> Can't think of any examples of these but as long as you are not
>> saying all ..... are ....... then what is the problem?
>>
>>>
>>> After all, its only fair isn't it?
>>
>> I really don't see the problem.
>>
>> Little britain is just a load of sketches about ridiculously extreme
>> characters in stupid situations. Not much different to a lot of
>> comedy.
>>
>> Maybe men should be annoyed for being sterotyped as dressing up as
>> women!
>
> Maybe they should. But you miss the point.
No I don't think so, you just don't have much of a point.
JJ
nos...@privacy.invalid
>Yes Majorie Dawes is racist but where do they sterotype all working class as
>racist?
>
>Yes Daffyd is Gay and Welsh, where do they sterotype all Welsh as Gay?
Maybe I've missed the point of the show, but given that its called
"Little Britain" aren't we being invited to view the characters as
being typical?
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> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
> is - wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> Pollard), working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
> class as xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
Hence its popularity - the rest of TV has become sanitised politically
correct mush with minimal relationship to what life is really like.
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JJ
So you have a problem with British people taking the piss out of British
people but Asians talking the piss out of Asians is different! What exactly
would you like to see?
Mariann
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> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
Pollard),
> working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
> xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> And all this on BBC One!!!
>
> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
eastern
> European a scrounging pimp.
>
> After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
>
>
Lee@DVDDebate
>> I take the program as making fun of *the way we stereotype* people. Not
>>the
>> actual stereotyping itself.
>
>Ohh right. So each joke is "once removed" then. Very clever.
Er...yes, obviously. Do you mean you actually thought people were
laughing because they identify with homophobes or racists? The joke is
made at the expense of the homophobes and racists, not at their
victims. You are supposed to be laughing at how pathetic these people
are that think and have such ridiculously anachronistic opinions.
>By the same token then, "Little Immigrant" would be hilarious wouldn't it,
>as isn't the immigrant stereotyped to the "nth degree"?
>
>A Jew-boy money lender, for example, would be side-splittingly funny
>wouldn't it?
>
No, but laughing at someone who thought it was alright to use the word
'jew-boy' would be. Someone like you, it would seem.
>Why did the BBC censor Del Boy saying the word "Irish" in an episode of OFAH
>recently repeated.
>After all we wouldn't be laughing at the Irish joke would we?
>
That's a completely different programme, please stick to the point.
Lee.
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Hywel Jenkins
n...@home.com says...
> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
> wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky Pollard),
> working class as
> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
> xenophobic bigots
> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> And all this on BBC One!!!
>
> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the eastern
> European a scrounging pimp.
>
> After all, its only fair isn't it?
Why don't you script your own show: Little Troll.
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"BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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> wait for
> it - yes British.
> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
Pollard),
She is a perfect example of modern labourite girl, you can find thousands
like her in nearly every run down estate across the country.
Leighton Jones
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No, But, Yea But, No But.
I think your exaggerating with the "Thousands Like Her" claim!
Cause, but, Yea but, no But, it's comedy.
Cheers LJ.
Adam Hadem
"Lee@DVDDebate" <l...@nospamdvddebate.com> wrote in message news:46hlt0hqj0qdrknge...@4ax.com...
>
> Er...yes, obviously. Do you mean you actually thought people were
> laughing because they identify with homophobes or racists? The joke is
> made at the expense of the homophobes and racists, not at their
> victims. You are supposed to be laughing at how pathetic these people
> are that think and have such ridiculously anachronistic opinions.
>
There seems to be a lot of this type of rationalisation about when it comes to
comedy nowadays. Ricky Gervais says we're supposed to be laughing at Brent's
bigotry because Brent is an idiot. I'm not sure it's all as innocent as it's made out to
be. Hypothetically speaking, I reckon you could have made the Office with
Bernard Manning playing Brent without having to change much of the script at
all ;)
Dr. Sunil
Bitty!
JJ
Not really its all a bit stupid. The voiceovers makes this pretty obvious as
Tom Baker just spouts nonsense.
JJ
sofa-spud
>
> "sofa-spud" <comf...@here.ok> wrote in message
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> >
> > "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:41daa343$0$16590$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> > > It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
is -
> > > wait for
> > > it - yes British.
> > > They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> > Pollard),
> > > racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
class
> as
> > > xenophobic bigots
> > > (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
> > >
> > > Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> > > And all this on BBC One!!!
> > >
> > > In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
> > >
> > > With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> > > shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> > eastern
> > > European a scrounging pimp.
> > >
> > > After all, its only fair isn't it?
> > >
> > blokes are trying to make.
> >
> > or it maybe its just me
>
>
Its irony with a twist - 3 dimensional characterisation as opposed to "Love
thy Neighbour" style . All your problems with the series fall apart when we
see the character of Daffyd - the "only" gay . He thinks he's openminded but
he's a fool - noone cares or minds that he is gay but he wants an issue of
it . The bloke who looks after the chap in the wheelchair - he's working
class and not at all sanctimonious , yet the bloke in the wheelchair is a
right pain . Turning stereotypes round.
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"Leighton Jones" <leigh...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
you dare take the piss out of me or else" - not nice
Crossposting off lest I accidentally sign up for the BNP in uk.politics
Claire Easthope
> BigCheese wrote:
>
>>It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
>>is - wait for
>>it - yes British.
>>They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
>>Pollard), working class as
>>racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
>>class as xenophobic bigots
>>(Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
>
> Yes Majorie Dawes is racist but where do they sterotype all working class as
> racist?
>
> Yes Daffyd is Gay and Welsh, where do they sterotype all Welsh as Gay?
>
> etc.
>
> They are extreme characters but they are not sterotyping any particular race
> or class as anything. Thats like saying having a black male criminal on the
> Bill sterotypes all black males as criminals which is obviously nonsense.
>
>
>>Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
>>And all this on BBC One!!!
>>
>>In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
>
>
> I guess you could have a comedy character who was an immigrant yes.
>
>
>>With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
>>shagger - maybe all three.
>
>
> Ali G already covers some of that
>
>
>>The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
>>eastern European a scrounging pimp.
>
>
> Can't think of any examples of these but as long as you are not saying all
> ..... are ....... then what is the problem?
>
Cohen also does a sex-crazed east-European immigrant to America.
>>After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
>
> I really don't see the problem.
>
> Little britain is just a load of sketches about ridiculously extreme
> characters in stupid situations. Not much different to a lot of comedy.
>
> Maybe men should be annoyed for being sterotyped as dressing up as women!
>
> JJ
..., but Emily is a lady! You there…young boy…you know Emily is a lady?
>
Claire Easthope
> "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>>It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch is -
>>wait for
>>it - yes British.
>>They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
>>Pollard),
>>working class as
>>racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle class as
>>xenophobic bigots
>>(Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards (Harvey).
>
>
> Not really steriotyping anything are they.
> E.G. Daffyd is "The Only Gay in The Village".
> That wouldn't be so bad would it, One Gay per village ;-)
>
> I think it's all about keeping your sence of humour?
>
> If however what your trying to say is that people are affraid to take the
> P*** out of Ethnic Minoroties, then you may have something!
>
> I think that all comedians / script writers etc now have a duty to take the
> piss out of immigrants / religions ( All of them ) now, so that we can see
> who or what comes out of the wood work!
> Before it's to late.
> Cheers LJ
>
>
That would not work. Some negative stereotypes just exist. Minorities
are easier to catogorise as being X and it is easier to form prejudices
about a minority group because you are less likely to meet members of
that group.
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
"Mike Cawood, HND BIT" <mi...@cawood51.nospaam.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> Little Britain is a great comedy show and is NOT intended to be taken
> seriously.
> I shall now have a great big vomit all over you.
I've just sent the DVD to my sis and her hubby in the States. God knows
what they'll make of it ;-)
Anyway, we don't need BC's complaints - they'll start rolling in from the
professional complainers now it's hit BBC1. "Too much swearing, it's
anti-gay, it's taking the mickey out of disabled people, fat people and
transvestites..."
"Don't start givin' me evils.."
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Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
"The Rifleman" <st...@nospamdaily3747.btnet.com> wrote in message
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>
Very true. In fact, one of the things that is so funny about Little Britain
is the surrealism combined with realism.
No doubt they'll be pressured to tone it down now it's gone
mainstream.....which will be a shame.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
A. J. Moss
>It seems to me that the butt of each and every Little Britain sketch
>is - wait for it - yes British.
>
>Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
>And all this on BBC One!!!
>
>In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
Perhaps it's time to bring back the Black And White Minstrel Show.
People like Darcus "Dark? Us?" Howe can be given the usual fifteen
seconds to whine about how offensive they find it, and can then be
patronised and ignored.
--
"We're a pair o' wankers." -- Gino Corr
BigCheese
"Adam Hadem" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:crejob$o6s$1...@kermit.esat.net...
Exactly.
BigCheese
"Dr. Sunil" <dr_suni...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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So the fact that he was an asian shopkeeper was stereotypical. *However* he
was not the butt of any joke was he?
BigCheese
BigCheese
"Claire Easthope" <Claire....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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The minority group where I live is is indigenous English.
Thanks for supporting my argument.
BigCheese
"JJ" <e...@egg.egg> wrote in message
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Come off it!!
BigCheese
"Hywel Jenkins" <hywelj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I take it you're an expert on little trolls, little welshman.
BigCheese
> >> BigCheese wrote:
> >>> It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
> >>> is - wait for
> >>> it - yes British.
> >>> They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> >>> Pollard), working class as
> >>> racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
> >>> class as xenophobic bigots
> >>> (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards
> >>> (Harvey).
> >>
> >> class as racist?
> >
> >
>
> By having every working class person in the program as racist. By simply
> stating that all class people are racist.
That's impractical nonsense. Each and every "joke" would have to be a racist
one. As soon as a joke is not "racist", by your definition, the character is
not stereotypical.
> >
> >> They are extreme characters but they are not sterotyping any
> >> particular race or class as anything. Thats like saying having a
> >> black male criminal on the Bill sterotypes all black males as
> >> criminals which is obviously nonsense.
> >
> > So positive discrimination is nonsense? I go along with that. But
> > that isn't the way things *are*.
>
> I've seen black criminals on TV what is your point?
You have not seen a black criminal in a public information film - I can't
remember one. The toe-rags are always white so as not to offend.
But anyway, having a black criminal is not taking the piss out of his race
is it?
Am I suggesting that each and every character in each an every drama/comedy
is pertraying a negatice racial stereotype?
No of course not.
> >
> >
> >>> Any immigrants are portrayed as right-on or victims.
> >>> And all this on BBC One!!!
> >>>
> >>> In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
> >>
> >> I guess you could have a comedy character who was an immigrant yes.
> >
> > Stereotyping negative stereotypical racial traits? Don't make me
> > laugh.
> >
>
> Have you ever seen Jerry Sadowitch? He made me laugh.
Did I suggest that there are no comedians anywhere in the UK that might
stereotype immigrants?
No of course not.
Heard of Bernard Manning?
> >
> >>> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> >>> shagger - maybe all three.
> >>
> >> Ali G already covers some of that
> >
> > *Used* to cover some of that - and he was roundly castigated by the
> > black media at the time for stereotypic black men in a negative
> > fashion.
>
> Well his last series wasn't that long ago, not that it makes much
> difference. I'm sure somone will complain about Little Britain. Again what
> is your point? If you want to "make it fair" go and make a comedy series
> with a little imigrant in it and if its funny I'll laugh my arse off.
My point is, its a one way street. Geddit?
> >
> >
> >>> The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> >>> eastern European a scrounging pimp.
> >>
> >> Can't think of any examples of these but as long as you are not
> >> saying all ..... are ....... then what is the problem?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> After all, its only fair isn't it?
> >>
> >> I really don't see the problem.
> >>
> >> Little britain is just a load of sketches about ridiculously extreme
> >> characters in stupid situations. Not much different to a lot of
> >> comedy.
> >>
> >> Maybe men should be annoyed for being sterotyped as dressing up as
> >> women!
> >
> > Maybe they should. But you miss the point.
>
> No I don't think so, you just don't have much of a point.
One that you fail to grasp.
BigCheese
"sofa-spud" <comf...@here.ok> wrote in message
Or an apology. Are you actually asserting that the characters are "three
dimensional".
Come of it!!!!!!!!
The characters are centered around one joke.
Taking Daffyd as a case in point. Isn't each and every joke centered around
him being the "one gay in the village".
> All your problems with the series fall apart when we
> see the character of Daffyd - the "only" gay . He thinks he's openminded
but
> he's a fool - noone cares or minds that he is gay but he wants an issue of
> it .
It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is to show the
*real* British as bigotted.
In any case, the point about all Welsh being queers was made tongue in
cheek.
I feel and its just a feeling that you may have missed the point I am trying
to make, or it maybe its just me.
>The bloke who looks after the chap in the wheelchair - he's working
> class and not at all sanctimonious ,
No he's portayed as a fucking idiot.
BigCheese
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> BigCheese wrote:
> > "JJ" <n...@cantbebothered.com> wrote in message
> > news:%ryCd.174554$lR6....@news.easynews.com...
> >
> >>> With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white women
> >>> shagger - maybe all three.
> >>
> >> Ali G already covers some of that
> >
> > *Used* to cover some of that - and he was roundly castigated by the
> > black media at the time for stereotypic black men in a negative
> > fashion.
>
> Well his last series wasn't that long ago, not that it makes much
> difference. I'm sure somone will complain about Little Britain. Again what
> is your point? If you want to "make it fair" go and make a comedy series
> with a little imigrant in it and if its funny I'll laugh my arse off.
If you can't see that the *way* in which complaints by racial minorities
about negative streotypes is handled, then you wont be able to grasp *any*
point I make.
The point is illustrated by the loon Claire EastHope's post in this thread.
Heres the snippet::
<start snippet>
"
> I think that all comedians / script writers etc now have a duty to take
the
> piss out of immigrants / religions ( All of them ) now, so that we can see
> who or what comes out of the wood work!
> Before it's to late.
> Cheers LJ
>
>
That would not work. Some negative stereotypes just exist. Minorities
are easier to catogorise as being X and it is easier to form prejudices
about a minority group because you are less likely to meet members of
that group.
"
<end snippet>
So you see, its only Minorities that can be stereotyped. Only minorities can
be offended. Only minorities can be victims.
She has made my point better than I ever could.
Kapish?
But my identifying/revealing this hypocrisy on this thread by my example of
Little Britain has flown over the heads of the PC numpties who suggest I get
a life. You see, amazingly, they *believe* the type of tripe that she
posted. The irony of it just passes them by.
I consider this thread a resounding success.
Bill Godfrey
> The minority group where I live is is indigenous English.
Which area is that?
According to the 2001 census, 87% of England describe their ethnic group as
'White British'.
http://www.britishcouncil.org/diversity/race_population.htm (Table 2)
Bill, my house and the big family next door.
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JJ
But they do the same thing, they have a number of asian characters with
rather extreme personalities/attributes in comedy situations.
So if you state that Goodness Gracious Me is not taking the piss out of
themselves in a negative, racially stereotypically way, then likewise Little
Britain is not taking the piss out of the british in a negative, racially
stereotypically way.
JJ
Joe
Whatever you say JJ. You da man!
Joe
"Bill Godfrey" <bill-g...@sunny-daventry.invalid> wrote in message
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> "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> > The minority group where I live is is indigenous English.
>
> Which area is that?
>
> According to the 2001 census, 87% of England describe their ethnic group
as
> 'White British'.
>
> http://www.britishcouncil.org/diversity/race_population.htm (Table 2)
>
Bill, I don't need to look at some fkg chart.
What is the purpose of posting it?
It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in the
minority. OK?
BigCheese
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Thats me BTW
JJ
Why?
Do you really think that the program sets out to show typical british
characters?
Is Tom Baker voicing some sort of documentary on Britain?
Its a joke, a Briatin that doesn't exist, peopled by ridiculous characters
in absurd situations.
I don't have the tv series handy but from the last radio series on my mp3
player:
"Briain, Built in 15 oh 10 and moved to the anaberic sea twenteen years
later, that much we know"
"We invented the cat"
"Britain, North of Perugia, south of Corksty with a landamass of over 102"
Not exactly Hstory of Britain is it?
JJ
BigCheese
I don't really see what you are trying to establish.
I accept it is a "comedy" programme.
I have achieved all I wished, exposing the double standards and hypocrisy as
typified by my "resounding success" response of 04.00.
Have a nice day.
Bill Godfrey
> It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in the
> minority. OK?
Just curious what area it is. Given that 'White British' makes up around
90% of England, your area would have to be quite a concentration.
I'm not saying you are incorrect, I'd just like people to state thier
sources when making a statement of fact.
So please, complete your statement. The area, the proportion (or an
approximation), and the source of that statistic.
Bill, everywhere!
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Biscit
> The characters are centered around one joke.
> Taking Daffyd as a case in point. Isn't each and every joke
> centered around him being the "one gay in the village".
Most of them are but it's one joke per character.
Daffyd actually is a case in point, his sketches are centred
around him either feeling isolated and alone, or persecuted and
uncatered for. The catch being Llandewi-Brefi is about the most
gay-friendly place in Britain.
The joke is about minorities who play themselves up as victims.
Daf likes being a victim and revels in it.
Some of Little Britain is about subverting stereotypes, sure,
and White Bigots are amongst their monsters, but mostly
it's about silly grotesque characters.
> It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is
> to show the *real* British as bigotted.
But the Daffyd sketches do the opposite.
The key is that they aren't saying anything about everybody,
as the loonies do their stuff against a backdrop of relatively
normal people. Vicky Pollard has less extreme, er contempories,
the Scottish restraunter serves normal guests etc.
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MT
n...@cantbebothered.com says...
Speaking of GGM, their sketch of "Going out for an English" and "Whats
the blandest thing on the menu" is an indirect piss take of the pissed up
rugby team on a friday night. I must admit I did find it highly amusing
though.
Getting back to the point though, I don't see anything wrong with
racial/geographical stereotyping, and see this as something the brits do
well. I don't get offended by a stereotype of yorkshiremen, and Hale &
Pace did a belter a few years ago with the northern opera company.
I think taking the piss out of all stereotypes is a good thing.
Lets face it hands up all who thought Harry Enfields "Scousers" was
insulting? So why shouldn't ethnics get the same treatment, and why
shouldn't it be still funny as opposed to being insulting or seen as
racist? They either want to intergrate or they don't!!
Lee@DVDDebate
>> All your problems with the series fall apart when we
>> see the character of Daffyd - the "only" gay . He thinks he's openminded
>but
>> he's a fool - noone cares or minds that he is gay but he wants an issue of
>> it .
>
>It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is to show the
>*real* British as bigotted.
It can, but that's not the show's intention.
>In any case, the point about all Welsh being queers was made tongue in
>cheek.
>
>I feel and its just a feeling that you may have missed the point I am trying
>to make, or it maybe its just me.
>
If anyone has missed your point, it's because, as usual, you never
actually make it. We're all supposed to guess around your inane
rambling pseudo-bigotry as to what your actual point is. Why not make
it now in a single one sentence statement and we can argue about that
rather than try to argue about what your point is?
Lee.
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If you told a joke and someone died laughing, could you be found guilty of a mans laughter?
Dr. Sunil
BigCheese wrote:
>
> It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is to
show the
> *real* British as bigotted.
> In any case, the point about all Welsh being queers was made tongue
in
> cheek.
Tongue in cheek. Er, isn't that the whole point of comedy in general
and Little Britain in particular?
gra...@dircon.co.uk
wrote:
>Tongue in cheek. Er, isn't that the whole point of comedy in general
>and Little Britain in particular?
Yeah, but no, but yeah...right...
(:-)
Graham
Dr. Sunil
JJ
hehe, "resounding success" I read it and laughed.
> Have a nice day.
And to you
JJ
JJ
That was an excellent sketch.
> Getting back to the point though, I don't see anything wrong with
> racial/geographical stereotyping, and see this as something the brits
> do well. I don't get offended by a stereotype of yorkshiremen, and
> Hale & Pace did a belter a few years ago with the northern opera
> company.
>
> I think taking the piss out of all stereotypes is a good thing.
> Lets face it hands up all who thought Harry Enfields "Scousers" was
> insulting? So why shouldn't ethnics get the same treatment, and why
> shouldn't it be still funny as opposed to being insulting or seen as
> racist? They either want to intergrate or they don't!!
Fair point but GGM does give the same treatment. Characters I can remember
were:
The indian mother
The young "Bhangra Muffins"
The fella who stated everyone was indian using loads of stereotypes to back
this up.
The Asian community thought it was funny, not many thought it was insulting.
JJ
Claire Easthope
is irrelevant to a discussion about the portrayal of minority groups
in the media.
Claire Easthope
Southall is the only town I can think of where the white British are in
the minority, even with a large Asian community in other parts of the
Borough of Hillingdon Whit Brits are still in the majority. Could you
please explain the logic of white racism to me? You don’t want to live
with Asians so move and once moved complain that the place is dominated
by Asians!
David Boothroyd
Claire Easthope <Claire....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in the
> > minority. OK?
>
> Southall is the only town I can think of where the white British are in
> the minority, even with a large Asian community in other parts of the
> Borough of Hillingdon Whit Brits are still in the majority.
In the 2001 census there were two Boroughs (out of 376) in which White
people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
(45.3%).
There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
Ealing Southall 47.33
Ilford South 45.13
Brent North 41.83
West Ham 39.77
Brent South 35.41
Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
East Ham 33.73
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and coded racism was again in evidence in leaflets distributed in September
1993." - Nigel Copsey, "Contemporary British Fascism", page 62.
John Walker
<snip>
Fair point but GGM does give the same treatment. Characters I can remember
> were:
>
> The indian mother
> The young "Bhangra Muffins"
> The fella who stated everyone was indian using loads of stereotypes to
back
> this up.
>
> The Asian community thought it was funny, not many thought it was
insulting.
>
> JJ
Remember "Skipinder the Punjabi kangaroo"! Brilliant.
JW
JJ
Hehe, I'd forgotten that one :O) superb
JJ
matt
> In article <WFXCd.1118$QQ5...@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> Claire Easthope <Claire....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in the
>>>minority. OK?
>>
>>Southall is the only town I can think of where the white British are in
>>the minority, even with a large Asian community in other parts of the
>>Borough of Hillingdon Whit Brits are still in the majority.
>
>
> In the 2001 census there were two Boroughs (out of 376) in which White
> people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
> (45.3%).
>
> There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
> Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
> Ealing Southall 47.33
> Ilford South 45.13
> Brent North 41.83
> West Ham 39.77
> Brent South 35.41
> Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
> Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
> East Ham 33.73
>
*vomits*
David Boothroyd
matt <fa...@bogus.com> wrote:
> David Boothroyd wrote:
> > In the 2001 census there were two Boroughs (out of 376) in which White
> > people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
> > (45.3%).
> >
> > There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
> > Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
> > Ealing Southall 47.33
> > Ilford South 45.13
> > Brent North 41.83
> > West Ham 39.77
> > Brent South 35.41
> > Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
> > Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
> > East Ham 33.73
>
> *vomits*
Why, perchance?
There are all sorts of odd things you can find with the Census.
For instance, the fact that only 22 out of 659 constituencies have
a majority of men, or that the constituency with the most people
working in mining is Truro (where they mine china clay) and not
any of the coalfield areas.
John L
<da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <41dc7234$0$73821$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
> matt <fa...@bogus.com> wrote:
>> David Boothroyd wrote:
>> > In the 2001 census there were two Boroughs (out of 376) in which White
>> > people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
>> > (45.3%).
>> >
>> > There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
>> > Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
>> > Ealing Southall 47.33
>> > Ilford South 45.13
>> > Brent North 41.83
>> > West Ham 39.77
>> > Brent South 35.41
>> > Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
>> > Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
>> > East Ham 33.73
>>
>> *vomits*
>
>Why, perchance?
Because this is a Little Britain thread, supposedly.
John L
David Boothroyd
John L
<da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <j64pt0p55p4mngniv...@4ax.com>,
> John L <jo...@zahidorTOOLATETOSTOPITjohn.plus.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:25:34 +0000, David Boothroyd
>> <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <41dc7234$0$73821$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
>> > matt <fa...@bogus.com> wrote:
>> >> *vomits*
>> >
>> >Why, perchance?
>>
>> Because this is a Little Britain thread, supposedly.
>
>But I didn't even mention I was gay!
I imagined the poster having a nice cuppa at a village fete when you
thrust those statistics under his nose...
John L
BigCheese
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Bill Godfrey" <bill-g...@sunny-daventry.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:20050105034000.387$C...@newsreader.com...
> >
> >>"BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>The minority group where I live is is indigenous English.
> >>
> >>Which area is that?
> >>
> >>According to the 2001 census, 87% of England describe their ethnic group
> >
> > as
> >
> >>'White British'.
> >>
> >>http://www.britishcouncil.org/diversity/race_population.htm (Table 2)
> >>
> >
> >
> > Bill, I don't need to look at some fkg chart.
> > What is the purpose of posting it?
> >
> > It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in
the
> > minority. OK?
> >
> >
> >
> Southall is the only town I can think of where the white British are in
> the minority,
Yes. But you are ignorant.
>You don't want to live
> with Asians so move and once moved complain that the place is dominated
> by Asians!
Yes but no but. We have a left wing morinic Vicky Pollard.
You stupid ignorant cow.
BigCheese
Only a numpty retard could come out with thast statement whilst keeping a
straight face.
>b. your point
> is irrelevant to a discussion about the portrayal of minority groups
> in the media.
See above.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
Von Gibbling wrote:
> "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:41daa343$0$16590$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> > It seems to me that the but of each and every Little Britain sketch
is -
> > wait for
> > it - yes British.
> > They stereotype the underclass as thieving nigga-lovin scum (Vicky
> > Pollard),
> > working class as
> > racist (Marjorie Dawes), the Welsh as queers (Daffyd). The middle
class as
> > xenophobic bigots
> > (Judy and Maggie) and the upper class as incestuous retards
(Harvey).
> >
> > And all this on BBC One!!!
> >
> > In a sense of equality could we not have a Little Immigrant?
> >
> > With perhaps the black is either a gangsta, or lazy or a white
women
> > shagger - maybe all three. The Arab a thief, the Jew a shyster, the
> > eastern
> > European a scrounging pimp.
> >
> > After all, its only fair isn't it?
>
>
> Why don't you phuck off back to your c*nting little BNP shit-hole and
die.
> Should have know what you were when you started whining about the use
of
> 'ethnic' terms in English.
> Oh, and by the way - we have your IP, so start looking forward to
some fun
> and games.
You realise you have no rational argument so you resort to bully-boy
thuggery.
BigCheese
"Lee@DVDDebate" <l...@nospamdvddebate.com> wrote in message
news:euqnt0lh4u9b2s41o...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 03:44:55 -0000, "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> All your problems with the series fall apart when we
> >> see the character of Daffyd - the "only" gay . He thinks he's
openminded
> >but
> >> he's a fool - noone cares or minds that he is gay but he wants an issue
of
> >> it .
> >
> >It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is to show
the
> >*real* British as bigotted.
>
> It can, but that's not the show's intention.
>
> >In any case, the point about all Welsh being queers was made tongue in
> >cheek.
> >
> >I feel and its just a feeling that you may have missed the point I am
trying
> >to make, or it maybe its just me.
> >
> If anyone has missed your point, it's because, as usual, you never
> actually make it. We're all supposed to guess around your inane
> rambling pseudo-bigotry as to what your actual point is. Why not make
> it now in a single one sentence statement and we can argue about that
> rather than try to argue about what your point is?
I've repeatedly made it. But here it is again, once more. That it fair game
to take the piss out of the indigenous population in a stereotypically
racist way; whereas "ethnics" are off limits.
In your terms Love thy neighbour, for example, could easily have been
viewed as laughing *at* the white nignog speaking character (as you
suggested *we* are doing in LB). After all he *was* portrayed as a cowardly
idiot.
<quote>
Er...yes, obviously. Do you mean you actually thought people were
laughing because they identify with homophobes or racists? The joke is
made at the expense of the homophobes and racists, not at their
victims. You are supposed to be laughing at how pathetic these people
are that think and have such ridiculously anachronistic opinions.
<end quote>
However, the PC liberal mafia, and black activists have decided, apparently
because he said the word "nignog" liberally, it is deeply racially offensive
and will never appear on our screens again. The immigrant is ostensibly the
*butt* of the joke so the programme has been effectively censored.
The numpty Claire Easthope has said on this thread as much - that only
minorities *can* be offended.
This hypocrisy is dismissive, ignorant and patronising towards the
indigenous population..
Geddit??
Lee@DVDDebate
>> >
>> If anyone has missed your point, it's because, as usual, you never
>> actually make it. We're all supposed to guess around your inane
>> rambling pseudo-bigotry as to what your actual point is. Why not make
>> it now in a single one sentence statement and we can argue about that
>> rather than try to argue about what your point is?
>
>I've repeatedly made it. But here it is again, once more. That it fair game
>to take the piss out of the indigenous population in a stereotypically
>racist way; whereas "ethnics" are off limits.
>
>In your terms Love thy neighbour, for example, could easily have been
>viewed as laughing *at* the white nignog speaking character (as you
>suggested *we* are doing in LB). After all he *was* portrayed as a cowardly
>idiot.
>
No it wouldn't you fucking racist chimp. Love Thy Neighbour was a show
made over 20 years ago when people with attitudes like yours roamed
the earth like dinosaurs in a Doug McClure movie. You're a relic of a
time when people were retarded fucking halfwits. If you can't
understand a simple concept like racism and why it's not a good thing
then you're a bigger fucking moron than I originally suspected.
BigCheese
"David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:david-FD5A53....@news.news.demon.net...
> In article <WFXCd.1118$QQ5...@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> Claire Easthope <Claire....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > > It is a matter of record that the "White British" in my borough is in
the
> > > minority. OK?
> >
> > Southall is the only town I can think of where the white British are in
> > the minority, even with a large Asian community in other parts of the
> > Borough of Hillingdon Whit Brits are still in the majority.
>
> In the 2001 census there were two Boroughs (out of 376) in which White
> people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
> (45.3%).
>
> There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
> Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
> Ealing Southall 47.33
> Ilford South 45.13
> Brent North 41.83
> West Ham 39.77
> Brent South 35.41
> Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
> Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
> East Ham 33.73
These census figures grossly underestimate the real "On the ground" ratios -
illegals swarm to such areas where they can effectivly disappear.
Also, taking these figures at face value, the number of White British is
much lower, and the number of white English lower still.
Then we have Clare Easthopes ilk to paraphrase "Yeah but no but yeah. The
White English are in the majority in England so you can't call the White
English an ethnic minority - even in these areas. So you can't racially
offend them"
Ohhhhhhhh the irony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said before. This thread has been a *resounding* success. Thanks to all
contributors - especially the numpties - who have their heads so far up
their own arses it pokes out their nose.
BigCheese
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:03:24 -0000, "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> If anyone has missed your point, it's because, as usual, you never
> >> actually make it. We're all supposed to guess around your inane
> >> rambling pseudo-bigotry as to what your actual point is. Why not make
> >> it now in a single one sentence statement and we can argue about that
> >> rather than try to argue about what your point is?
> >
> >I've repeatedly made it. But here it is again, once more. That it fair
game
> >to take the piss out of the indigenous population in a stereotypically
> >racist way; whereas "ethnics" are off limits.
> >
> >In your terms Love thy neighbour, for example, could easily have been
> >viewed as laughing *at* the white nignog speaking character (as you
> >suggested *we* are doing in LB). After all he *was* portrayed as a
cowardly
> >idiot.
> >
> No it wouldn't you fucking racist chimp. Love Thy Neighbour was a show
> made over 20 years ago when people with attitudes like yours roamed
> the earth like dinosaurs in a Doug McClure movie. You're a relic of a
> time when people were retarded fucking halfwits. If you can't
> understand a simple concept like racism and why it's not a good thing
> then you're a bigger fucking moron than I originally suspected.
>
lol.
Thanks for proving my point Numpty-in-Chief.
Your hypocrisy and double standards exposed your resort to insult.
Are you frothing at the mouth?
"Racism" is only "racism" if it meets your muster. Did you learn to be so
ignorant, or is it natural?
A stereotypical Politically Correct Nazi.
Definitely a candidate for a character in Little Britain. Trouble is, most
*normal* people wouldn't get the joke - you character would viewed as far to
exagerated to be funny.
Geddit?
This thread was a "resounding success" - now you've forced it off the scale.
Well Done!!!!!
It simply can't get better can it? (Queue Clare Easthope).
BigCheese
<hw...@freeispshares.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1105005132.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Oh shit you replied to her. I've plonked her and can only got her post
through your reply.
Of course. Her threat is now a matter of record - though her having my
dynamic IP address god only knows what malicious use she'll make of that.
In any case - she has broken the law and may be getting a knock on the door
from the boys in blue. But then again she may be posting from her asylum in
any case.
JJ
> "Lee@DVDDebate" <l...@nospamdvddebate.com> wrote in message
> news:euqnt0lh4u9b2s41o...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 03:44:55 -0000, "BigCheese" <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> All your problems with the series fall apart when we
>>>> see the character of Daffyd - the "only" gay . He thinks he's
>>>> openminded but he's a fool - noone cares or minds that he is gay
>>>> but he wants an issue of it .
>>>
>>> It can be viewed the other way around though. That the idea is to
>>> show the *real* British as bigotted.
>>
>> It can, but that's not the show's intention.
>>
>>> In any case, the point about all Welsh being queers was made tongue
>>> in cheek.
>>>
>>> I feel and its just a feeling that you may have missed the point I
>>> am trying to make, or it maybe its just me.
>>>
>> If anyone has missed your point, it's because, as usual, you never
>> actually make it. We're all supposed to guess around your inane
>> rambling pseudo-bigotry as to what your actual point is. Why not make
>> it now in a single one sentence statement and we can argue about that
>> rather than try to argue about what your point is?
>
> I've repeatedly made it. But here it is again, once more. That it
> fair game to take the piss out of the indigenous population in a
> stereotypically racist way; whereas "ethnics" are off limits.
<yawn> and you've repeatedly been given examples where "ethnics" are
obviously not off limits and chosen to ingnore them.
"Goodness Gracious Me" , even the title is an Asian stereotype. The Asian
characters are the butt of most of the jokes....... geddit?
JJ
BigCheese
Clearly you're not getting it JJ.
Try and see, if from these references/reviews below of GGM - concerns deemed
as
"intellectually legititate" were made about the content of your oft quoted
programme being racist.
I post a similar concern regarding Little Britain and I a demonised and
insulted. For example
"Why don't you phuck off back to your c*nting little BNP shit-hole and die."
and
"You're a relic of a time when people were retarded fucking halfwits. If you
can't understand a simple concept like racism and why it's not a good thing
then you're a bigger fucking moron than I originally suspected."
This thread just keeps getting better and better!
I couldn't have expected such a response highting the bigotry and prejudice
of the numpty mafia not even in my wildest dreams.
Well done one and all!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2002/11/12/story76414.html
"Ali G, The Kumars At Number 42, Goodness Gracious Me and Banzai offend some
of the racial groups they portray, according to new research.
The Broadcasting Standards Commission found Asian groups find the mocking of
their culture in such shows "inexcusable".
Its research found a general acceptance that minorities could go further
than white people in such parodies, but there is still the risk of offence.
"The fact these shows are produced by Indian people made no difference to
the offence caused," the report said."
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/521352/
" This unique form of self-parody made the show popular with viewers and
critics, but inevitably attracted criticism. Author Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
commented, "I hope people aren't laughing at us rather than with us. If you
are Asian, you take a completely different set of messages from it."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/g/goodnessgracious_66601650.shtml
"Many of the show's most successful moments were simple 'reversals', like
the recurring sketch in which an Indian film crew making a travel
documentary about London view it in the same patronising manner that such
past fare had looked at Delhi or Bombay, and the first-edition sketch in
which a bunch of drunk Indians at an English restaurant abuse the waiter and
behave with typical English boorishness ('Give me something really bland,
right'). Although this latter sketch echoed previous jokes on the same theme
by Billy Connolly and, most effectively, by Rowan Atkinson, it made a
particular impression on the white audience who recognised its truths."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
See? Piss taking of "whites" wasn't off the menu either was it?
Any chance of you taking a step backwards and conceeding a point?
Nah, didn't think so.
The Rifleman
> time when people were retarded fucking halfwits.
so hes your father is he ?
If you can't
> understand a simple concept like racism and why it's not a good thing
> then you're a bigger fucking moron than I originally suspected.
>
Racism is a fact of life when idiot multi culturalists try to force alien
and incompatable cultures and people onto a public who were never consulted
as the whether they wanted a MC society. The trouble is the morons who
advocate multiculturalism and racial equality can not grasp two simple
facts. (1) Most ethnic groups dont want to integrate they are tribal and
prefer to create minature versions of their homeland in the UK, and (2)
history is perfectly clear that all the races and cultures are not equal,
Try making a list it goes White Peoples, Asiatic Peoples, and African
Peoples, now list all of the worlds achievements, in science, engineering,
medicine, transport, agriculture, inventions, communications etc most end
up in the white column, the remainder in the asiatic column, Most asiatic
and black advancements were achieved over 500 years ago minimum, with no
real progress since, and if the asiatics are black cultures which have been
around longer than the white group why has africa and asia not had modern
highly advanced cultures for hundreds of years before the whites came along.
You being what appears to be a typical left wing twit can not distinguish
between Racism and tribalism.
AstraVanMan
> > > people did not form an overall majority: Newham (39.4%) and Brent
> > > (45.3%).
> > >
> > > There were only nine Parliamentary constituencies (out of 659):
> > > Camberwell and Peckham 49.76
> > > Ealing Southall 47.33
> > > Ilford South 45.13
> > > Brent North 41.83
> > > West Ham 39.77
> > > Brent South 35.41
> > > Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath 35.16
> > > Birmingham Ladywood 35.11
> > > East Ham 33.73
> >
> > *vomits*
>
> Why, perchance?
You haven't seen Judy and Maggie in Little Britain?
Hint: He might not have been serious.
Peter
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