Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, uk.media.radio.bbc-r4
From: SteveL <Ste...@stevelon.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:10:05 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2001 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: 'They Had It Coming' Brigade - Propaganda Getting Smarter
On 21 Sep 2001 14:26:59 -0700, wav...@club.lemonde.fr (Wavell) wrote:
>My impression is that, in the main vehicles for UK popular opinion -Actually, a lot of the time they succeed. Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua
>the radio talk shows and the newspapers - the THIC-ers are getting
>After all, the best sort of propaganda doesn't feel like propaganda -
(in the end). Sure they screw up a lot too, but your dismissal of them
That's some master plan you've dreamed up. However, "we" have no
>One of the key emotions their campaign is intended to engender in the
campaign. The campaigners are Bush's "crusaders".
And there are plenty of options for the blanks. Vietnam, Laos,
>And one popular line used for this purpose is 'America [and, by
>This is a great line for the THIC-ers. It's short, and wraps up two
>First, it suggests that anyone who doesn't care the same about every
Cambodia, Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran,
Kuwait, and others I'm too tired to remember now.
The cliches about insular Americans have been doing the rounds as long
Well, you know the cliche about cliches. Ever watch the US news? 95%
And before you get on my case, I'm American. Give me credit for
>The welter of globalophobe propaganda in recent years (albeit directed
>It's a great line because it links up with the 'geopoliticalYou should read some of the "let's nuke Afghanistan now, so we can get
>illiteracy' line of attack. Obviously part (not the biggest part) of
>the reason for the ranking is a parallel ranking of knowledge of other
>countries. They seem to imply that the mere fact of American
>prosperity and the global impact of the system that underpins it makes
>an American holding anything less than a graduate degree in
>international relations guilty of smug and wilful ignorance.
back to normal" posts in alt.politics before you defend accusations of
American ignorance. And these aren't totally dumb people. Many of the
people showing this ignorance of the effects of nuclear weapons are
fully aware of the fine details of internecine domestic politics. But
their picture of the outside world is all broad strokes in primary
colors - and that's being generous.
Nonsense. People are people. That's all. Nobody's "better" than anyone
>The other lie is the same point from the reverse viewpoint. Other
>This is usually not stated in so many words. But, clearly, if the
>The lack of any evidence to support this conclusion doesn't dampen its
else. That's the *point*. What pisses me off is the automatic
assumption by the American press and politicians that the US has a
moral superiority, virtually by default - and all because, for once,
they are the victims of a terrible and evil act.
That interpretation is full of shit. So saying nice things about
>For an extended version of the sort of stuff I'm referring to, savour
>Our correspondent is effusive about his hosts
>"I have never known such consistently courteous, generous people." The
Pakistanis is out of order now is it?
<snip the rest>
So Pakinstanis aren't perfect. Wow. They have violence in their past.
Criticism of US foreign policy has been a regular occurance in the
There's nothing new about this, and in my view they're right. The
While we're on the subject of lies, how about the official American
That's a very convenient answer.....
The Wall St Journal (perhaps this organ meets with your approval where
These were well to do, educated people. Aren't the ordinary dirt poor
But no of course not. They're just muslim fanatics who hate
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