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Gill Smith
Nov 20, 2012, 7:24:49 AM11/20/12
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Arlo Guthrie's claim to 'greatness'......
hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
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hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/
Krypsis
Nov 20, 2012, 8:13:09 AM11/20/12
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Krypsis
Frederick Williams
Nov 20, 2012, 8:40:47 AM11/20/12
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Gill Smith wrote:
>
> Arlo Guthrie's claim to 'greatness'......
>
> hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
>
> couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
>
> turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
>
> about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
>
> still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
I remember seeing the film (pronounced fillum). His dad was dying... as
>
> Arlo Guthrie's claim to 'greatness'......
>
> hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
>
> couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
>
> turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
>
> about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
>
> still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
they do.
--
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting
NewsOnline
Nov 20, 2012, 10:14:31 AM11/20/12
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"Gill Smith" <gill.sm...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:S9qdnfmEiOM06zbN...@brightview.co.uk...
blues'
- which as a song type isn't known for its melodic structure:
The littering wasn't a "wheeze for getting out of the draft" - you've pretty
much
missed the whole point of the song by saying that. It just happened to have
a major impact
on Guthrie's later life as we hear about.
The first part is IMO a very entertaining and beautifully observed narrative
about a minor offence and its context. The second part is a much more
serious commentary
on the dark days of the Draft and how a minor infringement of the law - the
type which a lot of teenagers might be guilty of - would make the 'perp' of
this trivial offence
not moral enough to go to war and "kill and burn people."
Whether or not you agree with Arlo Guthrie's take on war or the Draft, it's
hard not to see
and appreciate the irony he's highlighting.
news:S9qdnfmEiOM06zbN...@brightview.co.uk...
> Arlo Guthrie's claim to 'greatness'......
>
> hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
>
> couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
>
> turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
>
> about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
>
> still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
Just to keep the record straight on this great example of the 'talking
>
> hadn't heard this feeble 'tune' it in years
>
> couldn't tolerate it for any longer than it took to switch it off
>
> turns out (thanks to BBC Radio 4) There's A Story Attached
>
> about a litter fine constituting a wheeze for getting out of the draft
>
> still no excuse for such a lousy 'tune'
blues'
- which as a song type isn't known for its melodic structure:
The littering wasn't a "wheeze for getting out of the draft" - you've pretty
much
missed the whole point of the song by saying that. It just happened to have
a major impact
on Guthrie's later life as we hear about.
The first part is IMO a very entertaining and beautifully observed narrative
about a minor offence and its context. The second part is a much more
serious commentary
on the dark days of the Draft and how a minor infringement of the law - the
type which a lot of teenagers might be guilty of - would make the 'perp' of
this trivial offence
not moral enough to go to war and "kill and burn people."
Whether or not you agree with Arlo Guthrie's take on war or the Draft, it's
hard not to see
and appreciate the irony he's highlighting.
David F. Cox
Nov 20, 2012, 10:33:29 PM11/20/12
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"NewsOnline" <newsonli...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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am right it was a superb one, because it is still imprinted in my brain.
The film was autobiographical, highlighted the lunacy of the draft law, and
I enjoyed it. The disease that killed his father, Woody Gutherie, is
heriditary, with, I think, a 50% chance that Arlo would suffer it.
According to the film there was no "wheeze" about it. They dumped litter.
They got caught. They suffered the unforeseen dreadful consequence (sarcasm)
of not being allowed to to be drafted into the army.
Dr_dudley
Nov 21, 2012, 3:23:15 AM11/21/12
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On Nov 20, 7:25 am, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Dear Gill,
May i call you Gill? I hope this finds you well.
I'm fairly confused by this post. You seem normally to be a quite
reasonable fellow.
Here's the alternate if rarely acknowledged alternate rendering, AKA
the Alice's Restaurant MultiColoured Rainbow Roach Affair:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omzJpIflCiE
Do young people in the USA, while there is no active Selective Service
conscription, still have to register?
Peace, if any, be with you,
rdd
___
Arlo Guthrie/ Waimanalo Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZqxdjXutA
Cantaloupe Haberdashery 02_AG_AB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PstJwMh0_8
wrote:
May i call you Gill? I hope this finds you well.
I'm fairly confused by this post. You seem normally to be a quite
reasonable fellow.
Here's the alternate if rarely acknowledged alternate rendering, AKA
the Alice's Restaurant MultiColoured Rainbow Roach Affair:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omzJpIflCiE
Do young people in the USA, while there is no active Selective Service
conscription, still have to register?
Peace, if any, be with you,
rdd
___
Arlo Guthrie/ Waimanalo Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZqxdjXutA
Cantaloupe Haberdashery 02_AG_AB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PstJwMh0_8
crazytimes
Nov 21, 2012, 10:20:03 AM11/21/12
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(Novembers) every four to eight years or so...
Dr_dudley
Nov 25, 2012, 5:53:02 PM11/25/12
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waalll, all in all an enjoyable thread. thnaks Gill for touching the
flint to the steel.
{mists up temporarily, returning to those thrilling days of
yesteryear. rolls another one, just like the other one.}
a couple years ago i found the first draft of my letter to the
selective service. at the time you had to "re-up" your student
deferment at the end of each academic year. my letter stated that i
declined to renew my II-S status.
Foolish perhaps but not the only instance in my life of foolish
behaviour.
Needless to say, August rolled around. The Select Service Act had
expired and Congress was in recess. The DoD took the opportunity to
call to pre-induction physicals, well in advance of actual induction,
every live body with two legs and a third. So i got to experience that
part of the process without ever serving (i grew up next to Fort Dix,
NJ and was familiar with the Army Way).
Started really groovy. They had us on a bus in the pre-dawn hours over
to Philadelphia. We all waited there in a room where they passed out
paperwork to fill out. All of a sudden there was a smell of smoke
where some guys were burning either the paperwork or their draft
cards.
Months later my Dad, with whom i didn't always get along, asked me
what happened with me and the Draft. Since i was no longer living in
his house, but still used it as my official mailing address, i asked
if he'd gotten any mail for me from the draft board and he said no.
i said, "then i guess they didn't want me" and he said "good".
to this day i like to think that i was rejected because i failed the
part of the test where they say "turn your head and cough". more
likely like i said they were just "pre-processing" cannon fodder and
never got to me.
and while i acknowledge that my action could have yielded an
inharmonious outcome, to this day i can sit over to the VFW or
anywhere else face to face eye to eye with guys who served and not be
embarrassed by having got my sorry ass out of service because i "went
to college".
furthur, my actions separate me from Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, as
well as others with whom i don't wish to be, um, classified.
of course i should probably edit this post for greater concision (or
typographical / syntactical error), but if you weren't innerested,
you'd not have gotten this far.
"that's my story and i'm sticking to it"
o my but i ramble.
hoping all of you had reasons to be Thnakful this American 4th
Thursday in November.
Be well and peace, if any, ya'll,
rdd
___
[i'll leave to another day the discussion of why only "males" are
required to sign up these days, pending the passage of the ERA]
Serena Ryder Last Night I had the Strangest Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzsRz2kfI0s
John Denver - The Strangest Dream - 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcwAJZGXsk
(is this in waltz time?)
(can't find Ed McCurdy's original)
JOHNNY CASH - LAST NIGHT I HAD THEA STRANGEST DREAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZwTfPKW6v0
(1969 MSG 7.50$US ticket price)
if you want anymore you can search 'em yrSelf
flint to the steel.
{mists up temporarily, returning to those thrilling days of
yesteryear. rolls another one, just like the other one.}
a couple years ago i found the first draft of my letter to the
selective service. at the time you had to "re-up" your student
deferment at the end of each academic year. my letter stated that i
declined to renew my II-S status.
Foolish perhaps but not the only instance in my life of foolish
behaviour.
Needless to say, August rolled around. The Select Service Act had
expired and Congress was in recess. The DoD took the opportunity to
call to pre-induction physicals, well in advance of actual induction,
every live body with two legs and a third. So i got to experience that
part of the process without ever serving (i grew up next to Fort Dix,
NJ and was familiar with the Army Way).
Started really groovy. They had us on a bus in the pre-dawn hours over
to Philadelphia. We all waited there in a room where they passed out
paperwork to fill out. All of a sudden there was a smell of smoke
where some guys were burning either the paperwork or their draft
cards.
Months later my Dad, with whom i didn't always get along, asked me
what happened with me and the Draft. Since i was no longer living in
his house, but still used it as my official mailing address, i asked
if he'd gotten any mail for me from the draft board and he said no.
i said, "then i guess they didn't want me" and he said "good".
to this day i like to think that i was rejected because i failed the
part of the test where they say "turn your head and cough". more
likely like i said they were just "pre-processing" cannon fodder and
never got to me.
and while i acknowledge that my action could have yielded an
inharmonious outcome, to this day i can sit over to the VFW or
anywhere else face to face eye to eye with guys who served and not be
embarrassed by having got my sorry ass out of service because i "went
to college".
furthur, my actions separate me from Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, as
well as others with whom i don't wish to be, um, classified.
of course i should probably edit this post for greater concision (or
typographical / syntactical error), but if you weren't innerested,
you'd not have gotten this far.
"that's my story and i'm sticking to it"
o my but i ramble.
hoping all of you had reasons to be Thnakful this American 4th
Thursday in November.
Be well and peace, if any, ya'll,
rdd
___
[i'll leave to another day the discussion of why only "males" are
required to sign up these days, pending the passage of the ERA]
Serena Ryder Last Night I had the Strangest Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzsRz2kfI0s
John Denver - The Strangest Dream - 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcwAJZGXsk
(is this in waltz time?)
(can't find Ed McCurdy's original)
JOHNNY CASH - LAST NIGHT I HAD THEA STRANGEST DREAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZwTfPKW6v0
(1969 MSG 7.50$US ticket price)
if you want anymore you can search 'em yrSelf
Dr_dudley
Nov 26, 2012, 12:14:53 AM11/26/12
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ok so my neighbour down the hill saw this and said i missed one.
my neighbour Random is one of those guys who didn't quite come back
from veetnam.
this is clipped, the River part because of a 10:00 limit on youtubes.
it's the Intro... another story from another potential draftee.
"sayin' that he was goin' and that he didn't know where it was"
"nothin' to applaud about"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg3DleXrT-o
rdd
___
}
"Well," he said, "my daddy, he didn't leave me much, you know he was a
very simple man,
but what he did tell me was this, he did say, son, he said"
- there was a long pause, nervous laughter from the crowd -
"he say, you know it's possible to become so defiled in this world
that your own father and mother will abandon you and if that happens,
God will always believe in your ability to mend your ways."
{
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2HCVghCq5s
my neighbour Random is one of those guys who didn't quite come back
from veetnam.
this is clipped, the River part because of a 10:00 limit on youtubes.
it's the Intro... another story from another potential draftee.
"sayin' that he was goin' and that he didn't know where it was"
"nothin' to applaud about"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg3DleXrT-o
rdd
___
}
"Well," he said, "my daddy, he didn't leave me much, you know he was a
very simple man,
but what he did tell me was this, he did say, son, he said"
- there was a long pause, nervous laughter from the crowd -
"he say, you know it's possible to become so defiled in this world
that your own father and mother will abandon you and if that happens,
God will always believe in your ability to mend your ways."
{
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2HCVghCq5s
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