Chart Commentary 30/8/08
Paul Hyett
-------
Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Script #2, Rihanna #4, Madcon #5, Biffy Clyro #10
Top 20 : Automatic #16, Taio Cruz #20
Top 30 : Little Jackie #21, Keane #26
Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33, Alphabeat (BF) #35, Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
J Magik & Wickaman #37
Re-entries T40 : none
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Miley Cyrus #54, Duffy
(SS) #62, LL Cool J #63, Flobots #66, Fratellis #70
Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53, Metallica (ES) #60, Colbie Caillat
#65
Albums
------
The Script hold on at #1 for a 2nd week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Monkey #5
Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
New outside the top 20 : Black Stone Cherry #23
Re-entries : Bryan Adams (BOM) #52, Taio Cruz (De) #64, Verve (TIM) #70,
Newton Faulkner #73, Muse (BH&R) #74, Elvis (H) #75
Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
physical release of her single.
Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Alphabeat, Little Jackie, Paul Weller, Metallica (TDTNC)
Top 30 : Keane
Top 40 : Hamfatter, Miley Cyrus, Subways
Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
Albums
------
Not the slight doubt in my mind as to what will be #1 next Sunday : The
Verve 'Forth', probably by a 2-1 margin at least.
Top 10 NE : Automatic
Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson, Slipknot, Eva Cassidy
Others : Busta Rhymes, Moody Blues
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
Chris Brown
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> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl myself,
but I didn't write a song about it.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Script #2,
It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>Rihanna #4,
Not as disturbing as the title suggests, although that vocal effect gets
quite annoying after a while.
>Madcon #5,
From the widely discounted, but still not yet big-selling album So Dark The
Con Of Man. I know it's not their first language, but they could have asked.
>Biffy Clyro #10
Out tomorrow on CD and 7"s. Nonetheless, it's already their first Top 10
hit - perhaps it was in the right place at the right time.
> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the Sheryl
Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
Ironically, despite the opening lyric it's immediately obvious to any
listener what's changed: this is their first single without Pennie (the
shouty one).
>Taio Cruz #20
Well I suppose this is better than the last one. But it already sounds very
dated.
> Top 30 : Little Jackie #21,
And so, Imaani Coppola's only Top 20 single is still her guest vocal on 'You
All Dat' by the Baha Man.
> Keane #26
I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
> Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33,
The difficult follow-up single. I was slightly surprised to notice St
Etienne in the writing credits (as such, so I don't know whether it was all
of them).
>Alphabeat (BF) #35,
No need to be insulting. ;-)
I have to admit that when I first heard this I didn't realise it was them.
> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
Their first new single in five years, or six years by the time you get to
the end of it... ;-)
Apparently, their management have admitted to the mastering errors on the
download and radio tracks. They say there "may" be a better-quality version
available in the future.
> J Magik & Wickaman #37
Pretty impressive for an underground track with no video.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Miley Cyrus #54,
Out tomorrow on CD.
>Duffy (SS) #62,
Out on CD & 7" on the 1st of September.
>LL Cool J #63,
A digital-only release, and by the looks of it a fan-only purchase.
> Flobots #66,
Apparently out on physicals on the 15th of September.
> Fratellis #70
Including the lyric "they don't need you any more". Hark who's talking.
> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
most-covered song.
> Metallica (ES) #60,
'Enter Sandman', their only UK Top 5 single and arguably the defnitive
Metallica track.
> Colbie Caillat #65
Apparently out on physicals again(?) on the 8th of September.
> Albums
> ------
> The Script hold on at #1 for a 2nd week.
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Monkey #5
The score to the opera Monkey: Journey To The South, performed by "Chinese
and European musicians" under the direction of Damon Albarn; as he's not
performing this album, he's taken the opportunity to release it away from
EMI and contribute to what's become a bumper year for XL Recordings.
Also available online (but not contributing to this chart position) is a
deluxe vinyl boxed set, a snip at only Ł65.
> Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
It's only three years since the last Greatest Hits set charted, but this is
a different entity, only a single CD. Possibly because most of the people
buying it now have only heard one or two Skynrd songs.
Actually, I heard 'Freebird' on the radio the other day. Boy, is that solo
long...
> New outside the top 20 : Black Stone Cherry #23
Have I already done the "Eagle-Eye's brother?" joke?
OK then.
Second biggest Southern rock release of the week, the second album from a
group who've attracted rave reviews from the sort of people who like this
sort of thing.
> Re-entries : Bryan Adams (BOM) #52,
This might be one of the albums that's going cheap in Sainsburys.
> Taio Cruz (De) #64,
Presumably helped by the single.
>Verve (TIM) #70,
Their singles compilation.
> Newton Faulkner #73,
Zzzzz...
> Elvis (H) #75
Unusually, a couple of weeks ago a new Elvis release managed not to chart.
By the way, is that a new peak for Abba's 18 Hits?
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
> physical release of her single.
Exactly how much difference that'll make must be debatable though.
> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
Could well be.
> Top 20 : Alphabeat,
Is there really that much demand for this on CD?
>Little Jackie,
Wouldn't take much.
> Paul Weller,
Since the first single from the album only just managed Top 20, I suspect
the odds are against this doing it.
>Metallica (TDTNC)
Only if the fans are complete mugs. Which, admittedly, I don't rule out
entirely.
> Top 30 : Keane
It's been there a fortnight already.
> Top 40 : Hamfatter,
Assuming some sort of campaign from the fans, yes.
> Miley Cyrus,
Just about.
> Subways
This week's Fratellis.
> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
Eric Prydz is the obvious one, and as of 9:30 on Sunday night he's already
Top 20 on iTunes. I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
> Albums
> ------
> Not the slight doubt in my mind as to what will be #1 next Sunday : The
> Verve 'Forth', probably by a 2-1 margin at least.
I know - just think how many it might sell if it was any good.
> Top 10 NE : Automatic
Since the single hasn't tanked, they should manage it, at least for one
week.
> Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson,
Never underestimate the self-delusion of Jackson fans, is all I'm saying.
>Slipknot,
Looks a bit low to me, considering their previous success and the timing.
And the consistent (if limited) sales of the single seem to suggest a level
of interest too.
> Eva Cassidy
Each copy comes with free splinters from the bottom of the barrel,
presumably.
> Others : Busta Rhymes,
Not a very reliable album-charter in this country, but you wouldn't rule him
out.
> Moody Blues
Call me a cynic, but I tend to think that if it took 38 years to release
this that's not a sign of great quality.
Also available: Glen Campbell.
Chris
Jan Buxton
> "Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aHVfLchf...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
>
> Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl myself,
> but I didn't write a song about it.
"She took me down to her basement, she showed me all of her paintings,
She sure couldn't paint, but she could kiss. (Oh yes)"
--
Jan
Paul Hyett
<vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>Albums
>------
>The Script hold on at #1 for a 2nd week.
>
>New Entries/New Peaks
>---------------------
>Top 10 : Monkey #5
>Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
Plus new peak : OCR-Mamma Mia #13
>
>New outside the top 20 : Black Stone Cherry #23
Plus new peak : Abba-18 Hits #27
>
>Next Week
>---------
>Singles
>-------
>Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
>physical release of her single.
>
>Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>Top 10 :
>Top 20 : Alphabeat, Little Jackie, Paul Weller, Metallica (TDTNC)
>Top 30 : Keane
Also : Eric Prydz - Pjanoo (currently #12 on iTunes)
>Top 40 : Hamfatter, Miley Cyrus, Subways
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
>
>Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl myself,
>but I didn't write a song about it.
But if you'd kissed a guy, you'd probably be even less likely to? :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>
>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
Not really - at least *that* was good song. In any case, they've now
slipped below Rihanna on iTunes.
>
>>Rihanna #4,
>
>Not as disturbing as the title suggests
Seen the video...?
>
>>Madcon #5,
>
>From the widely discounted, but still not yet big-selling album So Dark The
>Con Of Man.
An understatement - the only position I've seen for it so far, is T150
on LW mids. :)
>
>>Biffy Clyro #10
>
>Out tomorrow on CD and 7"s. Nonetheless, it's already their first Top 10
>hit - perhaps it was in the right place at the right time.
Currently #7 on iTunes.
>
>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>
>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the Sheryl
>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart
show yesterday, I would not have.
>
>>Taio Cruz #20
>
>Well I suppose this is better than the last one. But it already sounds very
>dated.
I wouldn't know, as I've tried by best to avoid hearing either.
>
>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #21,
>
>And so, Imaani Coppola's only Top 20 single is still her guest vocal on 'You
>All Dat' by the Baha Man.
Only until this week probably, at it gets its physical release today.
>
>> Keane #26
>
>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
Too remote from the album release, IMO.
>
>> Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33,
>
>The difficult follow-up single. I was slightly surprised to notice St
>Etienne in the writing credits (as such, so I don't know whether it was all
>of them).
No less than 6 names listed in the writing credit (including GC
herself).
>
>>Alphabeat (BF) #35,
>
>I have to admit that when I first heard this I didn't realise it was them.
Out today on physicals, but I don't see a big climb for it.
>
>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>
>Their first new single in five years, or six years by the time you get to
>the end of it... ;-)
Grin.
>Apparently, their management have admitted to the mastering errors on the
>download and radio tracks. They say there "may" be a better-quality version
>available in the future.
I didn't hear anything wrong with the recording quality.
Currently #8 on iTunes, so with a full week's sales, a big climb is
inevitable.
>
>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>
>Pretty impressive for an underground track with no video.
Should have stayed buried!
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Miley Cyrus #54,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD.
Standard neutral comment. :)
>
>>Duffy (SS) #62,
>
>Out on CD & 7" on the 1st of September.
Ditto. :)
>
>>LL Cool J #63,
>
>A digital-only release
Which is why I didn't even know the name of it until the T75 appeared on
Buzzjack - given the genre, I was hardly going to make any effort to
find out another way. :)
>, and by the looks of it a fan-only purchase.
Already back down to #88 on iTunes.
>
>> Flobots #66,
>
>Apparently out on physicals on the 15th of September.
An unholy combination of folk & hip-hip... :(
>
>> Fratellis #70
>
>Including the lyric "they don't need you any more". Hark who's talking.
Grin.
>
>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>
>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
>most-covered song.
I wouldn't know.
>
>> Metallica (ES) #60,
>
>'Enter Sandman', their only UK Top 5 single and arguably the defnitive
>Metallica track.
Another one I don't remember offhand.
>
>> Colbie Caillat #65
>
>Apparently out on physicals again(?)
I would say so, since I have the CD single from last year... :)
> on the 8th of September.
Correct.
Wonder if it'll have the same B-side?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Monkey #5
>
>The score to the opera Monkey: Journey To The South, performed by "Chinese
>and European musicians" under the direction of Damon Albarn
Why did they choose *him*, rather than an established classical
performer?
>; as he's not
>performing this album, he's taken the opportunity to release it away from
>EMI and contribute to what's become a bumper year for XL Recordings.
>Also available online (but not contributing to this chart position) is a
>deluxe vinyl boxed set, a snip at only £65.
I wouldn't even pay that much to have him 'rubbed out'. :)
>
>> Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
>
>It's only three years since the last Greatest Hits set charted, but this is
>a different entity, only a single CD. Possibly because most of the people
>buying it now have only heard one or two Skynrd songs.
Record companies rarely miss a trick, of course.
>Actually, I heard 'Freebird' on the radio the other day. Boy, is that solo
>long...
I have that song on my MP3 player somewhere - one of a relatively few
rock tracks on there.
>
>> New outside the top 20 : Black Stone Cherry #23
>
>Have I already done the "Eagle-Eye's brother?" joke?
>OK then.
I must have missed that.
>Second biggest Southern rock release of the week
The biggest, counting only new material.
>, the second album from a
>group who've attracted rave reviews from the sort of people who like this
>sort of thing.
That would be 1% of reviewers, then? :)
>
>> Re-entries : Bryan Adams (BOM) #52,
>
>This might be one of the albums that's going cheap in Sainsburys.
Didn't even know they sold CD albums - the local Sainsburys is on an
out-of-town site, so I don't get there often.
>
>> Taio Cruz (De) #64,
>
>Presumably helped by the single.
Just barely, though.
>
>>Verve (TIM) #70,
>
>Their singles compilation.
It's mostly Urban Hymns gaining the benefit from their recent publicity
though - up to #29 this week.
>
>> Elvis (H) #75
>
>Unusually, a couple of weeks ago a new Elvis release managed not to chart.
>By the way, is that a new peak for Abba's 18 Hits?
See the addition post to my chart commentary thread.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
>> physical release of her single.
>
>Exactly how much difference that'll make must be debatable though.
Obviously. :)
>
>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>
>Could well be.
Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
though.
>
>> Top 20 : Alphabeat,
>
>Is there really that much demand for this on CD?
Well, the others were just as bad, yet still sold...
>
>> Paul Weller,
>
>Since the first single from the album only just managed Top 20, I suspect
>the odds are against this doing it.
But we know the nature of his fanbase...
>
>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>
>Only if the fans are complete mugs.
I guess you weren't keen on the song, then...
>
>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>
>Eric Prydz is the obvious one, and as of 9:30 on Sunday night he's already
>Top 20 on iTunes.
See my addition post again.
>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Not the slight doubt in my mind as to what will be #1 next Sunday : The
>> Verve 'Forth', probably by a 2-1 margin at least.
>
>I know - just think how many it might sell if it was any good.
But how would you know, until you bought it?
>
>> Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson,
>
>Never underestimate the self-delusion of Jackson fans, is all I'm saying.
But they're surely not going to fall for yet *another* compilation?
>
>>Slipknot,
>
>Looks a bit low to me, considering their previous success and the timing.
>And the consistent (if limited) sales of the single seem to suggest a level
>of interest too.
You could be right - since Guinness is getting so out-of-date now, I
check it less often.
>
>> Eva Cassidy
>
>Each copy comes with free splinters from the bottom of the barrel,
>presumably.
Grin.
Jan Buxton
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 at 21:45:59, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the Sheryl
>> Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>> made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>
> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart
> show yesterday, I would not have.
See, hearing it I thought it would be quite a big hit. It isn't good as
such, quite 'shallow' music, but it is radio-friendly, always singalong
when it comes on.
>>> Flobots #66,
>>
>> Apparently out on physicals on the 15th of September.
>
> An unholy combination of folk & hip-hip... :(
'Handlebars' presumably, I quite like it.
--
Jan
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 at 21:45:59, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
>>
>>Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl myself,
>>but I didn't write a song about it.
>
> But if you'd kissed a guy, you'd probably be even less likely to? :)
Well, if it was only going to be as good as this one, I'd at least have the
decency to chuck it in the blue bin.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>>
>>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>
> Not really - at least *that* was good song.
Ahem.
Anyway, you can see the comparison, can't you?
> In any case, they've now slipped below Rihanna on iTunes.
This may be the only time I'm glad about one of her singles.
>>>Rihanna #4,
>>
>>Not as disturbing as the title suggests
>
> Seen the video...?
I've read about it. But that suggests they made the video for the title,
instead of the record.
>>>Madcon #5,
>>
>>From the widely discounted, but still not yet big-selling album So Dark
>>The
>>Con Of Man.
>
> An understatement - the only position I've seen for it so far, is T150 on
> LW mids. :)
Of course the good news is that I could then write about it in my singles
commentary.
>>>Biffy Clyro #10
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD and 7"s. Nonetheless, it's already their first Top 10
>>hit - perhaps it was in the right place at the right time.
>
> Currently #7 on iTunes.
Sort of hovering.
>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>
>>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the Sheryl
>>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>
> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart >
> show yesterday, I would not have.
Why? I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's not dissimilar to a lot
of popular records. And as I said, they've removed the most obviously
off-putting element of their music.
Anyway, it obviously has convinced some people, as they're clearly not the
kind of act who can guarantee Top 20 success on name alone.
>>>Taio Cruz #20
>>
>>Well I suppose this is better than the last one. But it already sounds
>>very
>>dated.
>
> I wouldn't know, as I've tried by best to avoid hearing either.
I haven't heard the last one since it was in the charts, but IIRC it sounded
a bit like Shayne Ward.
>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #21,
>>
>>And so, Imaani Coppola's only Top 20 single is still her guest vocal on
>>'You
>>All Dat' by the Baha Man.
>
> Only until this week probably, at it gets its physical release today.
I know, but I promised that very important piece of information for this
week!
>>> Keane #26
>>
>>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
>
> Too remote from the album release, IMO.
Wouldn't it sell better that way?
>>> Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33,
>>
>>The difficult follow-up single. I was slightly surprised to notice St
>>Etienne in the writing credits (as such, so I don't know whether it was
>>all
>>of them).
>
> No less than 6 names listed in the writing credit (including GC herself).
And we'll assume that's at least seven people.
>>>Alphabeat (BF) #35,
>>
>>I have to admit that when I first heard this I didn't realise it was them.
>
> Out today on physicals, but I don't see a big climb for it.
Me neither.
>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>>
>>Their first new single in five years, or six years by the time you get to
>>the end of it... ;-)
>
> Grin.
Did you hear somebody texted in and said Fearne would have been and gone
during it?
>>Apparently, their management have admitted to the mastering errors on the
>>download and radio tracks. They say there "may" be a better-quality
>>version
>>available in the future.
>
> I didn't hear anything wrong with the recording quality.
Add your own punchline.
I could.
> Currently #8 on iTunes, so with a full week's sales, a big climb is
> inevitable.
Indeed, although it may not stay this far up the iTunes chart all week.
>>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>>
>>Pretty impressive for an underground track with no video.
>
> Should have stayed buried!
You wouldn't be saying that if there were some bikini babes in the video.
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Miley Cyrus #54,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD.
>
> Standard neutral comment. :)
I'm assuming Top 40 next week.
>>>Duffy (SS) #62,
>>
>>Out on CD & 7" on the 1st of September.
>
> Ditto. :)
This, obviously, is going to be around for weeks on end.
>>>LL Cool J #63,
>>
>>A digital-only release
>
> Which is why I didn't even know the name of it until the T75 appeared on
> Buzzjack - given the genre, I was hardly going to make any effort to find
> out another way. :)
And I bet you weren't at all surprised when you did see it.
>>, and by the looks of it a fan-only purchase.
>
> Already back down to #88 on iTunes.
He really has just been going through the motions lately.
>>> Flobots #66,
>>
>>Apparently out on physicals on the 15th of September.
>
> An unholy combination of folk & hip-hip... :(
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>>
>>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
>>most-covered song.
>
> I wouldn't know.
You may have heard Lucie Silvas' version.
>>> Metallica (ES) #60,
>>
>>'Enter Sandman', their only UK Top 5 single and arguably the defnitive
>>Metallica track.
>
> Another one I don't remember offhand.
This one you might not have heard before (it's from 1991). Both these tracks
come from their so-called Black Album.
>>> Colbie Caillat #65
>>
>>Apparently out on physicals again(?)
>
> I would say so, since I have the CD single from last year... :)
I thought so but I wasn't 100% sure.
>> on the 8th of September.
>
> Correct.
>
> Wonder if it'll have the same B-side?
Might do, especially as it sold so few first time around.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Monkey #5
>>
>>The score to the opera Monkey: Journey To The South, performed by "Chinese
>>and European musicians" under the direction of Damon Albarn
>
> Why did they choose *him*, rather than an established classical performer?
Who's "they"? He chose himself, as the whole thing was his idea.
And as I said, he doesn't perform on the album anyway, hence the following.
>>; as he's not
>>performing this album, he's taken the opportunity to release it away from
>>EMI and contribute to what's become a bumper year for XL Recordings.
>>> Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
>>
>>It's only three years since the last Greatest Hits set charted, but this
>>is
>>a different entity, only a single CD. Possibly because most of the people
>>buying it now have only heard one or two Skynrd songs.
>
> Record companies rarely miss a trick, of course.
Or never underestimate the gullibility of the public.
>>Actually, I heard 'Freebird' on the radio the other day. Boy, is that solo
>>long...
>
> I have that song on my MP3 player somewhere - one of a relatively few rock
> tracks on there.
Well, there can't be much room left after 'Freebird' can there?
>>> New outside the top 20 : Black Stone Cherry #23
>>
>>Have I already done the "Eagle-Eye's brother?" joke?
>>OK then.
>
> I must have missed that.
Understandable, as it wasn't that good.
>>Second biggest Southern rock release of the week
>
> The biggest, counting only new material.
Well, yeah but that sort of misses the point I was making.
>>, the second album from a
>>group who've attracted rave reviews from the sort of people who like this
>>sort of thing.
>
> That would be 1% of reviewers, then? :)
You say that but present-day critics all wet themselves over the likes of
Led Zep and Black Sabbath (much more so than at the time, AIUI) and I'm told
Kerrang! was very impressed by this.
>>> Re-entries : Bryan Adams (BOM) #52,
>>
>>This might be one of the albums that's going cheap in Sainsburys.
>
> Didn't even know they sold CD albums - the local Sainsburys is on an
> out-of-town site, so I don't get there often.
I happened to be in the big one at Finchley Road in North London the other
day, and I noticed the massive racks of special offer items there, although
I didn't have time to look through them all. That's what gave me the idea.
Anyway, if it's not there I presume there's a discount somewhere, seeing as
this isn't even the current Bryan Adams compilation.
>>>Verve (TIM) #70,
>>
>>Their singles compilation.
>
> It's mostly Urban Hymns gaining the benefit from their recent publicity >
> though - up to #29 this week.
Maybe because this one is now out of date? ;-)
And to be fair, the sort of casual purchasers who have gone this long
without buying any Verve records probably only know the four tracks from the
singles album that are on Urban Hymns anyway.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
>>> physical release of her single.
>>
>>Exactly how much difference that'll make must be debatable though.
>
> Obviously. :)
I realise it can't make many chart positions' difference. But I mean in
terms of sales.
>>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>>
>>Could well be.
>
> Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
> though.
Nowadays, probably not a lot.
>>> Top 20 : Alphabeat,
>>
>>Is there really that much demand for this on CD?
>
> Well, the others were just as bad, yet still sold...
Er, aren't you contradicting yourself a bit there?
AFAICT this is only on a 1-track CD.
>>> Paul Weller,
>>
>>Since the first single from the album only just managed Top 20, I suspect
>>the odds are against this doing it.
>
> But we know the nature of his fanbase...
Yes, and one thing we know about them is that they tend to chart each
successive single from one of his albums lower than the one before. The only
exception to that in the last ten years was with the first two singles from
his covers album, and they were both before the album.
>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>
>>Only if the fans are complete mugs.
>
> I guess you weren't keen on the song, then...
I wasn't, but that's not really the point - I can accept that Metallica fans
like Metallica.
>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>
>>Eric Prydz is the obvious one, and as of 9:30 on Sunday night he's already
>>Top 20 on iTunes.
>
> See my addition post again.
Speaking of iTunes, I presume most of the other random tracks that I saw on
that chart were ones that somebody sang on X-factor. Sadly, that probably
doesn't include 'Killing In The Name Of' by Rage Against The Machine.
>>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
>
> Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
Which isn't inconceivable, but how could you tell anyway? It was only
released as a download yesterday.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Not the slight doubt in my mind as to what will be #1 next Sunday : The
>>> Verve 'Forth', probably by a 2-1 margin at least.
>>
>>I know - just think how many it might sell if it was any good.
>
> But how would you know, until you bought it?
Well, this is an album where 'Love Is Noise' is considered to be a standout
track...
I have heard a few other tracks and not been impressed. But maybe I just
wasn't in the mood to be impressed.
>>> Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson,
>>
>>Never underestimate the self-delusion of Jackson fans, is all I'm saying.
>
> But they're surely not going to fall for yet *another* compilation?
That's what we thought last time.
>>>Slipknot,
>>
>>Looks a bit low to me, considering their previous success and the timing.
>>And the consistent (if limited) sales of the single seem to suggest a
>>level
>>of interest too.
>
> You could be right - since Guinness is getting so out-of-date now, I check
> it less often.
It'll be seven years to the week since they had a Number One album. I agree
that's not on the agenda this time, but there's no obvious reason they
wouldn't go Top 5 or at least Top 10.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
>>>
>>>Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl myself,
>>>but I didn't write a song about it.
>>
>> But if you'd kissed a guy, you'd probably be even less likely to? :)
>
>Well, if it was only going to be as good as this one, I'd at least have the
>decency to chuck it in the blue bin.
Even when the alternative was The Script, or Kid Rock...?
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>>>
>>>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>>
>> Not really - at least *that* was good song.
>
>Ahem.
>Anyway, you can see the comparison, can't you?
Only in the sense they are both MOR.
>
>
>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>
>>>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the Sheryl
>>>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>>>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>>
>> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart >
>> show yesterday, I would not have.
>
>Why? I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's not dissimilar to a lot
>of popular records.
Precisely! :)
>
>>>> Keane #26
>>>
>>>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
>>
>> Too remote from the album release, IMO.
>
>Wouldn't it sell better that way?
*It* might, but if people associate it with the album, the latter will
surely suffer...
>
>>>> Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33,
>>>
>>>The difficult follow-up single. I was slightly surprised to notice St
>>>Etienne in the writing credits (as such, so I don't know whether it was
>>>all
>>>of them).
>>
>> No less than 6 names listed in the writing credit (including GC herself).
>
>And we'll assume that's at least seven people.
When does 6 ever equal 7?
>
>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>>>
>>>Their first new single in five years, or six years by the time you get to
>>>the end of it... ;-)
>>
>> Grin.
>
>Did you hear somebody texted in and said Fearne would have been and gone
>during it?
I tend to skip chart-show text messages.
>
>
>> Currently #8 on iTunes, so with a full week's sales, a big climb is
>> inevitable.
>
>Indeed, although it may not stay this far up the iTunes chart all week.
Even if it slipped out of the T15, it would still register a big climb.
>
>>>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>>>
>>>Pretty impressive for an underground track with no video.
>>
>> Should have stayed buried!
>
>You wouldn't be saying that if there were some bikini babes in the video.
Actually, not so - I hate rap more than I like watching bikini babes. :)
>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>
>>>> Flobots #66,
>>>
>>>Apparently out on physicals on the 15th of September.
>>
>> An unholy combination of folk & hip-hip... :(
>
>You say that like it's a bad thing.
The mixture works about as well as Middle-Eastern politics...
>
>>>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>>>
>>>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
>>>most-covered song.
>>
>> I wouldn't know.
>
>You may have heard Lucie Silvas' version.
Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Monkey #5
>>>
>>>The score to the opera Monkey: Journey To The South, performed by "Chinese
>>>and European musicians" under the direction of Damon Albarn
>>
>> Why did they choose *him*, rather than an established classical performer?
>
>Who's "they"? He chose himself, as the whole thing was his idea.
Oh, right.
>
>>>> Top 20 : Lynyrd Skynyrd #16
>
>>>Actually, I heard 'Freebird' on the radio the other day. Boy, is that solo
>>>long...
>>
>> I have that song on my MP3 player somewhere - one of a relatively few rock
>> tracks on there.
>
>Well, there can't be much room left after 'Freebird' can there?
Grin.
>
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
>>>> physical release of her single.
>>>
>>>Exactly how much difference that'll make must be debatable though.
>>
>> Obviously. :)
>
>I realise it can't make many chart positions' difference. But I mean in
>terms of sales.
So did I.
>
>>>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>>>
>>>Could well be.
>>
>> Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
>> though.
>
>Nowadays, probably not a lot.
For other genres perhaps, but for indie rock?
>
>
>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>>
>>>Only if the fans are complete mugs.
>>
>> I guess you weren't keen on the song, then...
>
>I wasn't, but that's not really the point - I can accept that Metallica fans
>like Metallica.
I'm only surprised that it's shifting well on downloads - hard rock is
another genre that usually doesn't.
>
>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>
>>>Eric Prydz is the obvious one, and as of 9:30 on Sunday night he's already
>>>Top 20 on iTunes.
>>
>> See my addition post again.
>
>Speaking of iTunes, I presume most of the other random tracks that I saw on
>that chart were ones that somebody sang on X-factor.
I didn't see those, so perhaps they've already dropped out?
>>>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
>>
>> Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
>
>Which isn't inconceivable, but how could you tell anyway?
C+ gives some hints.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>>>> Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson,
>>>
>>>Never underestimate the self-delusion of Jackson fans, is all I'm saying.
>>
>> But they're surely not going to fall for yet *another* compilation?
>
>That's what we thought last time.
Woolies seem to have it on prominent display.
>
>>>>Slipknot,
>>>
>>>Looks a bit low to me, considering their previous success and the timing.
>>>And the consistent (if limited) sales of the single seem to suggest a
>>>level
>>>of interest too.
>>
>> You could be right - since Guinness is getting so out-of-date now, I check
>> it less often.
>
>It'll be seven years to the week since they had a Number One album. I agree
>that's not on the agenda this time, but there's no obvious reason they
>wouldn't go Top 5 or at least Top 10.
Other than perhaps not enough people buying it? :)
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 at 12:32:26, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a third week.
>>>>
>>>>Running out of things to say here. Er, I have indeed kissed a girl
>>>>myself,
>>>>but I didn't write a song about it.
>>>
>>> But if you'd kissed a guy, you'd probably be even less likely to? :)
>>
>>Well, if it was only going to be as good as this one, I'd at least have
>>the
>>decency to chuck it in the blue bin.
>
> Even when the alternative was The Script, or Kid Rock...?
I never said I'd be proud to have written those either.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>>>>
>>>>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Not really - at least *that* was good song.
>>
>>Ahem.
>>Anyway, you can see the comparison, can't you?
>
> Only in the sense they are both MOR.
I think they have a little more in common than that, not only musically but
also the slightly concealed creepiness (admittedly stronger in the Script
record). Now I come to think of it, 'Wiseman' and 'We Cry' aren't a million
miles apart.
>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>>
>>>>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the
>>>>Sheryl
>>>>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>>>>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>>>
>>> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart
>>> >
>>> show yesterday, I would not have.
>>
>>Why? I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's not dissimilar to a lot
>>of popular records.
>
> Precisely! :)
Huh?
>>>>> Keane #26
>>>>
>>>>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
>>>
>>> Too remote from the album release, IMO.
>>
>>Wouldn't it sell better that way?
>
> *It* might, but if people associate it with the album, the latter will
> surely suffer...
I thought you meant it was too remote in time?
Anyway, the point may become moot as I heard the proper new single today.
It's not as good as this one though.
>>>>>>> Top 40 : Gabriella Cilmi #33,
>>>>
>>>>The difficult follow-up single. I was slightly surprised to notice St
>>>>Etienne in the writing credits (as such, so I don't know whether it was
>>>>all
>>>>of them).
>>>
>>> No less than 6 names listed in the writing credit (including GC
>>> herself).
>>
>>And we'll assume that's at least seven people.
>
> When does 6 ever equal 7?
Since the original St Etienne died quite a long time ago, he's unlikely to
have written this - so the credit presumably refers to two or more members
of the band. Either that or an entire town wrote it.
>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>>>>
>>>>Their first new single in five years, or six years by the time you get
>>>>to
>>>>the end of it... ;-)
>>>
>>> Grin.
>>
>>Did you hear somebody texted in and said Fearne would have been and gone
>>during it?
>
> I tend to skip chart-show text messages.
That was a good one though!
>>> Currently #8 on iTunes, so with a full week's sales, a big climb is
>>> inevitable.
>>
>>Indeed, although it may not stay this far up the iTunes chart all week.
>
> Even if it slipped out of the T15, it would still register a big climb.
Agreed.
>>>>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>>>>
>>>>Pretty impressive for an underground track with no video.
>>>
>>> Should have stayed buried!
>>
>>You wouldn't be saying that if there were some bikini babes in the video.
>
> Actually, not so - I hate rap more than I like watching bikini babes. :)
Eh?
I've YouTubed this twice and there's no rapping involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Hf2kh9Mz4
Are you getting it mixed up with the 'Wikka Wrap'? ;-)
>>>>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>>>>
>>>>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
>>>>most-covered song.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know.
>>
>>You may have heard Lucie Silvas' version.
>
> Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
> finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
So you can actually hear the music you mean?
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Monkey #5
>>>>
>>>>The score to the opera Monkey: Journey To The South, performed by
>>>>"Chinese
>>>>and European musicians" under the direction of Damon Albarn
>>>
>>> Why did they choose *him*, rather than an established classical
>>> performer?
>>
>>Who's "they"? He chose himself, as the whole thing was his idea.
>
> Oh, right.
I forgot to mention, BTW, that some of this music was also used in the
Olympics coverage.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Katy Perry should increase her lead at #1, thanks to the late-week
>>>>> physical release of her single.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly how much difference that'll make must be debatable though.
>>>
>>> Obviously. :)
>>
>>I realise it can't make many chart positions' difference. But I mean in
>>terms of sales.
>
> So did I.
Hmm...
>>>>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>>>>
>>>>Could well be.
>>>
>>> Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
>>> though.
>>
>>Nowadays, probably not a lot.
>
> For other genres perhaps, but for indie rock?
I'd have thought downloads would "cost" far fewer sales on indie and rock
singles than most other types, because there are fans who can still be
trusted to turn out and collect the formats etc.
>>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>>>
>>>>Only if the fans are complete mugs.
>>>
>>> I guess you weren't keen on the song, then...
>>
>>I wasn't, but that's not really the point - I can accept that Metallica
>>fans
>>like Metallica.
>
> I'm only surprised that it's shifting well on downloads - hard rock is
> another genre that usually doesn't.
Which is true, but of course Metallica are an unusually big name in metal,
and if (as I suspect) there's no physical version of this single, that will
help filter sales to download. It's probably done no harm to tie it in with
the digital release of the back catalogue.
>>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>>
>>>>Eric Prydz is the obvious one, and as of 9:30 on Sunday night he's
>>>>already
>>>>Top 20 on iTunes.
>>>
>>> See my addition post again.
>>
>>Speaking of iTunes, I presume most of the other random tracks that I saw
>>on
>>that chart were ones that somebody sang on X-factor.
>
> I didn't see those, so perhaps they've already dropped out?
As of Tuesday night, it looks like they mostly have, except for 'I Don't
Wanna Miss A Thing' and possibly 'Evergreen'.
AIUI nobody is shown singing a complete song at this stage in the contest,
which presumably makes the hits smaller.
>>>>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
>>>
>>> Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
>>
>>Which isn't inconceivable, but how could you tell anyway?
>
> C+ gives some hints.
It can predict the future? Does it have the lottery numbers?
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>> Top 20 NE : Michael Jackson,
>>>>
>>>>Never underestimate the self-delusion of Jackson fans, is all I'm
>>>>saying.
>>>
>>> But they're surely not going to fall for yet *another* compilation?
>>
>>That's what we thought last time.
>
> Woolies seem to have it on prominent display.
Yes they have, and here in London there are ads on the Tube.
>>>>>Slipknot,
>>>>
>>>>Looks a bit low to me, considering their previous success and the
>>>>timing.
>>>>And the consistent (if limited) sales of the single seem to suggest a
>>>>level
>>>>of interest too.
>>>
>>> You could be right - since Guinness is getting so out-of-date now, I
>>> check
>>> it less often.
>>
>>It'll be seven years to the week since they had a Number One album. I
>>agree
>>that's not on the agenda this time, but there's no obvious reason they
>>wouldn't go Top 5 or at least Top 10.
>
> Other than perhaps not enough people buying it? :)
But there's no particular reason for that to happen.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>>>>>
>>>>>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Not really - at least *that* was good song.
>>>
>>>Ahem.
>>>Anyway, you can see the comparison, can't you?
>>
>> Only in the sense they are both MOR.
>
>I think they have a little more in common than that, not only musically but
>also the slightly concealed creepiness
Huh?
>
>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>>>
>>>>>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the
>>>>>Sheryl
>>>>>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue and
>>>>>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>>>>
>>>> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the chart
>>>> >
>>>> show yesterday, I would not have.
>>>
>>>Why? I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's not dissimilar to a lot
>>>of popular records.
>>
>> Precisely! :)
>
>Huh?
I meant, I predict some records higher before I hear them, than I would
after. :)
If I haven't heard a particular song, all I have to go on is how the
artists previous singles have done - and if their new material is
considered significantly inferior (or superior) by their fans, I cannot
take that into account when predicting.
>
>>>>>> Keane #26
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
>>>>
>>>> Too remote from the album release, IMO.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't it sell better that way?
>>
>> *It* might, but if people associate it with the album, the latter will
>> surely suffer...
>
>I thought you meant it was too remote in time?
I did.
>Anyway, the point may become moot as I heard the proper new single today.
>It's not as good as this one though.
Then it must *really* be woeful... :)
>
>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>
>>>> Currently #8 on iTunes, so with a full week's sales, a big climb is
>>>> inevitable.
>>>
>>>Indeed, although it may not stay this far up the iTunes chart all week.
>>
Already slipped to #10.
>> Even if it slipped out of the T15, it would still register a big climb.
>
>Agreed.
But will they play it in full again, next week?
>
>>>>>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>>>>
>>>> Should have stayed buried!
>>>
>>>You wouldn't be saying that if there were some bikini babes in the video.
>>
>> Actually, not so - I hate rap more than I like watching bikini babes. :)
>
>Eh?
I mean I can watch videos featuring bikini babes without subjecting
myself to rap. :)
>I've YouTubed this twice and there's no rapping involved:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Hf2kh9Mz4
Then what song am I thinking of?
>
>Are you getting it mixed up with the 'Wikka Wrap'? ;-)
Not that one, since I've never heard of it.
>
>>>>>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>>>>>
>>>>>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably their
>>>>>most-covered song.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know.
>>>
>>>You may have heard Lucie Silvas' version.
>>
>> Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
>> finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
>
>So you can actually hear the music you mean?
Huh?
Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>
>>>>>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>>>>>
>>>>>Could well be.
>>>>
>>>> Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
>>>> though.
>>>
>>>Nowadays, probably not a lot.
>>
>> For other genres perhaps, but for indie rock?
>
>I'd have thought downloads would "cost" far fewer sales on indie and rock
>singles than most other types, because there are fans who can still be
>trusted to turn out and collect the formats etc.
ISTM that would be more true with concurrent physical & virtual download
release though, which this song didn't have.
>
>>>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>
>> I'm only surprised that it's shifting well on downloads - hard rock is
>> another genre that usually doesn't.
>
>Which is true, but of course Metallica are an unusually big name in metal,
>and if (as I suspect) there's no physical version of this single, that will
>help filter sales to download.
There's still one scheduled, AFAIK.
>It's probably done no harm to tie it in with
>the digital release of the back catalogue.
But ISTM that virtual sales of now-unavailable back catalogue singles
would be far more understandable.
>
>>>
>>>Speaking of iTunes, I presume most of the other random tracks that I saw
>>>on
>>>that chart were ones that somebody sang on X-factor.
>>
>> I didn't see those, so perhaps they've already dropped out?
>
>As of Tuesday night, it looks like they mostly have, except for 'I Don't
>Wanna Miss A Thing' and possibly 'Evergreen'.
I noticed the latter, but assumed it was more due to increasing promo
for Will Yawn's new material.
The former is a steady download-seller, and indeed has an average
position of #106 in 2008.
>AIUI nobody is shown singing a complete song at this stage in the contest,
>which presumably makes the hits smaller.
Or saves the audience from prolonged torment? :)
>
>>>>>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
>>>>
>>>> Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
>>>
>>>Which isn't inconceivable, but how could you tell anyway?
>>
>> C+ gives some hints.
>
>It can predict the future? Does it have the lottery numbers?
Very droll.
It has columns for Scottish & Welsh chart positions, which are still
physically based.
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 at 19:11:34, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Script #2,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's just 'You're Beautiful' all over again, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really - at least *that* was good song.
>>>>
>>>>Ahem.
>>>>Anyway, you can see the comparison, can't you?
>>>
>>> Only in the sense they are both MOR.
>>
>>I think they have a little more in common than that, not only musically
>>but
>>also the slightly concealed creepiness
>
> Huh?
The lyrics to both songs are a bit creepy - they both actually sound quite
stalkerish when you look into them, especially the Script's one.
However, the way they're arranged and performed doesn't play up to this
aspect of the song in the way that, say, 'Every Breath You Take' does, so a
lot of the people who've bought the records probably haven't noticed.
>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At one point, it looked like this would struggle to outperform the
>>>>>>Sheryl
>>>>>>Crow single of the same title, but downloads have come to the rescue
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>made this their second-highest-charting single to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I predicted it for T20, but had I ever heard it before the
>>>>> chart
>>>>> >
>>>>> show yesterday, I would not have.
>>>>
>>>>Why? I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's not dissimilar to a
>>>>lot
>>>>of popular records.
>>>
>>> Precisely! :)
>>
>>Huh?
>
> I meant, I predict some records higher before I hear them, than I would
> after. :)
>
> If I haven't heard a particular song, all I have to go on is how the
> artists previous singles have done - and if their new material is
> considered significantly inferior (or superior) by their fans, I cannot
> take that into account when predicting.
Right, but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle to
predict them for a Top 20 single.
>>>>>>> Keane #26
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I notice even they sound surprised that people were buying it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too remote from the album release, IMO.
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't it sell better that way?
>>>
>>> *It* might, but if people associate it with the album, the latter will
>>> surely suffer...
>>
>>I thought you meant it was too remote in time?
>
> I did.
So what's the problem with people knowing it's on the album.
>>Anyway, the point may become moot as I heard the proper new single today.
>>It's not as good as this one though.
>
> Then it must *really* be woeful... :)
Not a bad way of putting it, actually.
>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #36,
>>
>>> Even if it slipped out of the T15, it would still register a big climb.
>>
>>Agreed.
>
> But will they play it in full again, next week?
If it's a climber, they probably should - and if it manages to go Top 20
they'll more or less have to, although they could fade it I suppose.
>>>>>>> J Magik & Wickaman #37
>>>>>
>>>>> Should have stayed buried!
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't be saying that if there were some bikini babes in the
>>>>video.
>>>
>>> Actually, not so - I hate rap more than I like watching bikini babes. :)
>>
>>Eh?
>
> I mean I can watch videos featuring bikini babes without subjecting myself
> to rap. :)
Er, yes I got that bit - I just didn't see how it related to this record.
>>I've YouTubed this twice and there's no rapping involved:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Hf2kh9Mz4
Interestingly an official clip, but with no video.
> Then what song am I thinking of?
I dunno - 'Crazy In Love', 'Pimpin' All Over The World', 'Don't Believe Tha
Hype', 'Reasons To Be Cheerful Part 3'?
>>Are you getting it mixed up with the 'Wikka Wrap'? ;-)
>
> Not that one, since I've never heard of it.
I thought you might say that so I prepared the YouTube link in advance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv65MSTbm9A
It was of course a Top 20 single by the Evasions, which combined Chic and
Tom Browne samples with a bloke doing an impression of Alan Whicker.
Weirdly, it became a huge club hit in the US.
>>>>>>> Re-entries : Metallica (NEM) #53,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ie 'Nothing Else Matters' their big power-ballad hit and probably
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>most-covered song.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know.
>>>>
>>>>You may have heard Lucie Silvas' version.
>>>
>>> Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
>>> finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
>>
>>So you can actually hear the music you mean?
>
> Huh?
>
> Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
Not necessarily but you do lose a lot of detail at very low bitrates.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>>> Top 5 : Biffy Clyro
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could well be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends how many potential physical sales the download siphoned off,
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>Nowadays, probably not a lot.
>>>
>>> For other genres perhaps, but for indie rock?
>>
>>I'd have thought downloads would "cost" far fewer sales on indie and rock
>>singles than most other types, because there are fans who can still be
>>trusted to turn out and collect the formats etc.
>
> ISTM that would be more true with concurrent physical & virtual download
> release though, which this song didn't have.
The theory I'm working on is that casual buyers tend to prefer downloads,
but the really serious Biffy fans will buy physical versions whenever the
digital release was. As it hasn't been a massive radio hit, I doubt there
are many more people who would have bought it on CD if there hadn't been a
download available.
>>>>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>>
>>> I'm only surprised that it's shifting well on downloads - hard rock is
>>> another genre that usually doesn't.
>>
>>Which is true, but of course Metallica are an unusually big name in metal,
>>and if (as I suspect) there's no physical version of this single, that
>>will
>>help filter sales to download.
>
> There's still one scheduled, AFAIK.
If there's no date, does that count?
>>It's probably done no harm to tie it in with
>>the digital release of the back catalogue.
>
> But ISTM that virtual sales of now-unavailable back catalogue singles
> would be far more understandable.
More understandable than what?
If you mean that people might have been chomping at the bit to get 'Enter
Sandman' without having to buy a Metallica album, I agree. And I don't blame
them, frankly. But that was what I meant.
>>>>Speaking of iTunes, I presume most of the other random tracks that I saw
>>>>on
>>>>that chart were ones that somebody sang on X-factor.
>>>
>>> I didn't see those, so perhaps they've already dropped out?
>>
>>As of Tuesday night, it looks like they mostly have, except for 'I Don't
>>Wanna Miss A Thing' and possibly 'Evergreen'.
>
> I noticed the latter, but assumed it was more due to increasing promo for
> Will Yawn's new material.
Which is what I thought too. Specifically I know he put in an appearance at
that Olympics thing on Sunday, but I don't know whether he sang this
particular one.
> The former is a steady download-seller, and indeed has an average position
> of #106 in 2008.
It did well enough first time around, after all.
>>>>>>I also find it hard to envisage Glasvegas missing out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if they sell virtually all copies via physicals.
>>>>
>>>>Which isn't inconceivable, but how could you tell anyway?
>>>
>>> C+ gives some hints.
>>
>>It can predict the future? Does it have the lottery numbers?
>
> Very droll.
>
> It has columns for Scottish & Welsh chart positions, which are still
> physically based.
Right, but presumably not before the records come out.
Glasvegas are of course a Scottish group, which may be a help on home turf.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>but
>>>also the slightly concealed creepiness
>>
>> Huh?
>
>The lyrics to both songs are a bit creepy - they both actually sound quite
>stalkerish when you look into them, especially the Script's one.
>However, the way they're arranged and performed doesn't play up to this
>aspect of the song in the way that, say, 'Every Breath You Take' does
Every 'stalking' song seems tame by comparison to *that*! :)
>
>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>
>> I meant, I predict some records higher before I hear them, than I would
>> after. :)
>>
>> If I haven't heard a particular song, all I have to go on is how the
>> artists previous singles have done - and if their new material is
>> considered significantly inferior (or superior) by their fans, I cannot
>> take that into account when predicting.
>
>Right, but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle to
>predict them for a Top 20 single.
Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
curtailed by early deletion).
>
>>>>>>>> Keane
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>I thought you meant it was too remote in time?
>>
>> I did.
>
>So what's the problem with people knowing it's on the album.
It's *because* they know that, that it'll affect album sales - it'll be
seen as the lead-off single, and judges as such, even though it isn't
*officially*.
>
>>>>
>>>> Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
>>>> finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
>>>
>>>So you can actually hear the music you mean?
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
>
>Not necessarily but you do lose a lot of detail at very low bitrates.
Not that I can tell much difference anyway.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>>>>>>Biffy Clyro
>>>
>>>I'd have thought downloads would "cost" far fewer sales on indie and rock
>>>singles than most other types, because there are fans who can still be
>>>trusted to turn out and collect the formats etc.
>>
>> ISTM that would be more true with concurrent physical & virtual download
>> release though, which this song didn't have.
>
>The theory I'm working on is that casual buyers tend to prefer downloads,
>but the really serious Biffy fans will buy physical versions whenever the
>digital release was. As it hasn't been a massive radio hit, I doubt there
>are many more people who would have bought it on CD if there hadn't been a
>download available.
Given that it hasn't moved that much this week, I would guess download
sales dropped back significantly, only just compensated by the physical
release. We should find that out next Monday when the download chart
appears.
>
>>>>>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>>if (as I suspect) there's no physical version of this single, that
>>>will
>>>help filter sales to download.
>>
>> There's still one scheduled, AFAIK.
>
>If there's no date, does that count?
There's a date, just not a specific one.
>
>>>It's probably done no harm to tie it in with
>>>the digital release of the back catalogue.
>>
>> But ISTM that virtual sales of now-unavailable back catalogue singles
>> would be far more understandable.
>
>More understandable than what?
Virtual sales of a new single, which will very soon be available on an
album, whether or not there's a physical single release.
>If you mean that people might have been chomping at the bit to get 'Enter
>Sandman' without having to buy a Metallica album, I agree. And I don't blame
>them, frankly. But that was what I meant.
This leads back, in a roundabout way, to what will happen when the
Beatles back-catalogue appears on iTunes. If a band with a relatively
narrow appeal can chart a number of tracks in the iTunes T100, will
there be room for *anything else* in there, when the Beatles songs are
finally out? :)
>
>> The former is a steady download-seller, and indeed has an average position
>> of #106 in 2008.
>
>It did well enough first time around, after all.
It's one of those songs you love to hate, though.
>
>>>>
>>>> C+ gives some hints.
>>
>> It has columns for Scottish & Welsh chart positions, which are still
>> physically based.
>
>Right, but presumably not before the records come out.
Obviously.
>Glasvegas are of course a Scottish group, which may be a help on home turf.
>
They were #1 with 'Geraldine' on Scottish physical sales while #16
overall, and #2/#42 the following week.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 at 22:26:18, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>I think they have a little more in common than that, not only musically
>>>>but
>>>>also the slightly concealed creepiness
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>The lyrics to both songs are a bit creepy - they both actually sound quite
>>stalkerish when you look into them, especially the Script's one.
>>However, the way they're arranged and performed doesn't play up to this
>>aspect of the song in the way that, say, 'Every Breath You Take' does
>
> Every 'stalking' song seems tame by comparison to *that*! :)
Well, not quite all of them do. But that's probably as creepy as really
well-known songs get.
>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>
>>> I meant, I predict some records higher before I hear them, than I would
>>> after. :)
>>>
>>> If I haven't heard a particular song, all I have to go on is how the
>>> artists previous singles have done - and if their new material is
>>> considered significantly inferior (or superior) by their fans, I cannot
>>> take that into account when predicting.
>>
>>Right, but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle
>>to
>>predict them for a Top 20 single.
>
> Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
> curtailed by early deletion).
Right, but it's their only major hit (until this one) so the obvious
conclusion to draw is that they're not really popular enough to have big
hits as of right - they can only have them if people are impressed by the
song.
>>>>>>>>> Keane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I thought you meant it was too remote in time?
>>>
>>> I did.
>>
>>So what's the problem with people knowing it's on the album.
>
> It's *because* they know that, that it'll affect album sales - it'll be
> seen as the lead-off single, and judges as such, even though it isn't
> *officially*.
But if that's a problem, it's no more or less of a problem whatever the
timing. At least doing it this far ahead means that there's time for another
single before October.
>>>>> Funny you should say that - just today I re-ripped her albums, having
>>>>> finally figured out how to make Nero rip at above 96kbps...
>>>>
>>>>So you can actually hear the music you mean?
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
>>
>>Not necessarily but you do lose a lot of detail at very low bitrates.
>
> Not that I can tell much difference anyway.
I said "about quarter past three"! ;-)
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Biffy Clyro
>>>>
>>>>I'd have thought downloads would "cost" far fewer sales on indie and
>>>>rock
>>>>singles than most other types, because there are fans who can still be
>>>>trusted to turn out and collect the formats etc.
>>>
>>> ISTM that would be more true with concurrent physical & virtual download
>>> release though, which this song didn't have.
>>
>>The theory I'm working on is that casual buyers tend to prefer downloads,
>>but the really serious Biffy fans will buy physical versions whenever the
>>digital release was. As it hasn't been a massive radio hit, I doubt there
>>are many more people who would have bought it on CD if there hadn't been a
>>download available.
>
> Given that it hasn't moved that much this week, I would guess download
> sales dropped back significantly, only just compensated by the physical
> release.
Are you looking at the updated mids there?
>We should find that out next Monday when the download chart appears.
Indeed so, assuming that overall download sales are fairly consistent.
>>>>>>>>>Metallica (TDTNC)
>>>>if (as I suspect) there's no physical version of this single, that
>>>>will
>>>>help filter sales to download.
>>>
>>> There's still one scheduled, AFAIK.
>>
>>If there's no date, does that count?
>
> There's a date, just not a specific one.
If it's not specific, it's not a date is it?
>>>>It's probably done no harm to tie it in with
>>>>the digital release of the back catalogue.
>>>
>>> But ISTM that virtual sales of now-unavailable back catalogue singles
>>> would be far more understandable.
>>
>>More understandable than what?
>
> Virtual sales of a new single, which will very soon be available on an
> album, whether or not there's a physical single release.
Really? Wouldn't it be the opposite way around? Because the album release is
in the future, nobody's already got it, whereas some people will already
have the other albums.
>>If you mean that people might have been chomping at the bit to get 'Enter
>>Sandman' without having to buy a Metallica album, I agree. And I don't
>>blame
>>them, frankly. But that was what I meant.
>
> This leads back, in a roundabout way, to what will happen when the Beatles
> back-catalogue appears on iTunes. If a band with a relatively narrow
> appeal can chart a number of tracks in the iTunes T100, will there be room
> for *anything else* in there, when the Beatles songs are finally out? :)
The short answer is yes.
Although it's beyond rational dispute that The Beatles are more popular than
Metallica, and will doubtless do better, you can't go overboard on the
multiplication. The Beatles have sold a lot more albums than even Metallica
(at least in this country) and they don't have a couple of obvious focal
songs in the same way. And, perhaps no less importantly, they've released
best-of albums.
>>> The former is a steady download-seller, and indeed has an average
>>> position
>>> of #106 in 2008.
>>
>>It did well enough first time around, after all.
>
> It's one of those songs you love to hate, though.
Do I?
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>I think they have a little more in common than that, not only musically
>>>>>but
>>>>>also the slightly concealed creepiness
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>>The lyrics to both songs are a bit creepy - they both actually sound quite
>>>stalkerish when you look into them, especially the Script's one.
>>>However, the way they're arranged and performed doesn't play up to this
>>>aspect of the song in the way that, say, 'Every Breath You Take' does
>>
>> Every 'stalking' song seems tame by comparison to *that*! :)
>
>Well, not quite all of them do. But that's probably as creepy as really
>well-known songs get.
The video for the Freemasons version of 'Uninvited' was done quite well
in that respect - though the very attractive Bailey Tzuke as the
'victim' helped sell it...
>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>> but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle
>>>to
>>>predict them for a Top 20 single.
>>
>> Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
>> curtailed by early deletion).
>
>Right, but it's their only major hit (until this one) so the obvious
>conclusion to draw is that they're not really popular enough to have big
>hits as of right - they can only have them if people are impressed by the
>song.
Well, despite your scepticism, enough people apparently liked this song.
Given that it's #11 on iTunes, it might even climb a little this week.
>>>>
>>>> Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
>>>
>>>Not necessarily but you do lose a lot of detail at very low bitrates.
>>
>> Not that I can tell much difference anyway.
>
>I said "about quarter past three"! ;-)
Huh?
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Biffy Clyro
>>
>> Given that it hasn't moved that much this week, I would guess download
>> sales dropped back significantly, only just compensated by the physical
>> release.
>
>Are you looking at the updated mids there?
They do seemed to have climbed since I wrote that.
>
>>We should find that out next Monday when the download chart appears.
>
>Indeed so, assuming that overall download sales are fairly consistent.
Current #5 on iT.
>
>>>
>>>More understandable than what?
>>
>> Virtual sales of a new single, which will very soon be available on an
>> album, whether or not there's a physical single release.
>
>Really? Wouldn't it be the opposite way around? Because the album release is
>in the future, nobody's already got it, whereas some people will already
>have the other albums.
Yes, but people who like individual songs, but only heard them well
after original release, could not have bought them separately before.
>>
>> This leads back, in a roundabout way, to what will happen when the Beatles
>> back-catalogue appears on iTunes. If a band with a relatively narrow
>> appeal can chart a number of tracks in the iTunes T100, will there be room
>> for *anything else* in there, when the Beatles songs are finally out? :)
>
>The short answer is yes.
>Although it's beyond rational dispute that The Beatles are more popular than
>Metallica, and will doubtless do better, you can't go overboard on the
>multiplication. The Beatles have sold a lot more albums than even Metallica
>(at least in this country) and they don't have a couple of obvious focal
>songs in the same way. And, perhaps no less importantly, they've released
>best-of albums.
All we can really do is wait & see, though. If their songs are ever
going to appear on iTunes this year, it will surely be much closer to
Xmas.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 at 21:21:39, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>
>>>> but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle
>>>>to
>>>>predict them for a Top 20 single.
>>>
>>> Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
>>> curtailed by early deletion).
>>
>>Right, but it's their only major hit (until this one) so the obvious
>>conclusion to draw is that they're not really popular enough to have big
>>hits as of right - they can only have them if people are impressed by the
>>song.
>
> Well, despite your scepticism, enough people apparently liked this >song.
I'm not the one who's being sceptical - you are.
> Given that it's #11 on iTunes, it might even climb a little this week.
Presumably its sales there are assisted by the late arrival last week.
>>>>> Does ripping at higher quality increase the volume, then?
>>>>
>>>>Not necessarily but you do lose a lot of detail at very low bitrates.
>>>
>>> Not that I can tell much difference anyway.
>>
>>I said "about quarter past three"! ;-)
>
> Huh?
Stereotypical thing that people who are pretending not be to deaf say.
>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Biffy Clyro
>>>
>>> Given that it hasn't moved that much this week, I would guess download
>>> sales dropped back significantly, only just compensated by the physical
>>> release.
>>
>>Are you looking at the updated mids there?
>
> They do seemed to have climbed since I wrote that.
In case you missed my other post, the first set of mids apparently had them
at 8 *and* 21, so combining them immediately makes for a climb.
>>>We should find that out next Monday when the download chart appears.
>>
>>>>More understandable than what?
>>>
>>> Virtual sales of a new single, which will very soon be available on an
>>> album, whether or not there's a physical single release.
>>
>>Really? Wouldn't it be the opposite way around? Because the album release
>>is
>>in the future, nobody's already got it, whereas some people will already
>>have the other albums.
>
> Yes, but people who like individual songs, but only heard them well after
> original release, could not have bought them separately before.
Indeed so, but they could still buy the albums if they wanted to, an option
not yet open to people who like the new single.
>>> This leads back, in a roundabout way, to what will happen when the
>>> Beatles
>>> back-catalogue appears on iTunes. If a band with a relatively narrow
>>> appeal can chart a number of tracks in the iTunes T100, will there be
>>> room
>>> for *anything else* in there, when the Beatles songs are finally out? :)
>>
>>The short answer is yes.
>>Although it's beyond rational dispute that The Beatles are more popular
>>than
>>Metallica, and will doubtless do better, you can't go overboard on the
>>multiplication. The Beatles have sold a lot more albums than even
>>Metallica
>>(at least in this country) and they don't have a couple of obvious focal
>>songs in the same way. And, perhaps no less importantly, they've released
>>best-of albums.
>
> All we can really do is wait & see, though.
That's true. But I'm not going to be betting money on them occupying the
entire Top 10.
> If their songs are ever going to appear on iTunes this year, it will
> surely be much closer to Xmas.
Indeed so. There are some rumours of it, but then aren't there every year?
Apparently, another "new" track has leaked, which may be released officially
alongside the catalogue. Some people have hinted that Paul McCartney may be
responsible.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>
>>>>> but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle
>>>>>to
>>>>>predict them for a Top 20 single.
>>>>
>>>> Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
>>>> curtailed by early deletion).
>>>
>>>Right, but it's their only major hit (until this one) so the obvious
>>>conclusion to draw is that they're not really popular enough to have big
>>>hits as of right - they can only have them if people are impressed by the
>>>song.
>>
>> Well, despite your scepticism, enough people apparently liked this >song.
>
>I'm not the one who's being sceptical - you are.
Huh? I was the one who said it'd go T20, not you.
>
>> Given that it's #11 on iTunes, it might even climb a little this week.
>
>Presumably its sales there are assisted by the late arrival last week.
Maybe its airplay picked up, too?
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>Wouldn't it be the opposite way around? Because the album release
>>>is
>>>in the future, nobody's already got it, whereas some people will already
>>>have the other albums.
>>
>> Yes, but people who like individual songs, but only heard them well after
>> original release, could not have bought them separately before.
>
>Indeed so, but they could still buy the albums if they wanted to, an option
>not yet open to people who like the new single.
But I was thinking of people who just liked the one song - most aren't
going to buy a whole album just for one track.
>>
>> All we can really do is wait & see, though.
>
>That's true. But I'm not going to be betting money on them occupying the
>entire Top 10.
Or even *any* T10 slot, unless the iTunes releases are 'rationed' across
a number of weeks.
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 at 18:28:18, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>
>>>>>> but surely on the basis of previous performance it'd be a struggle
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>predict them for a Top 20 single.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monster went to #4 (and incidentally, was a song whose chart run was
>>>>> curtailed by early deletion).
>>>>
>>>>Right, but it's their only major hit (until this one) so the obvious
>>>>conclusion to draw is that they're not really popular enough to have big
>>>>hits as of right - they can only have them if people are impressed by
>>>>the
>>>>song.
>>>
>>> Well, despite your scepticism, enough people apparently liked this
>>> >song.
>>
>>I'm not the one who's being sceptical - you are.
>
> Huh? I was the one who said it'd go T20, not you.
Well, I didn't say it *wouldn't* but what I was getting at was that you said
hearing it made you less convinced, which implies scepticism about the song
convincing people.
>>> Given that it's #11 on iTunes, it might even climb a little this week.
>>
>>Presumably its sales there are assisted by the late arrival last week.
>
> Maybe its airplay picked up, too?
Conceivably, but I don't get the airplay chart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>Wouldn't it be the opposite way around? Because the album release
>>>>is
>>>>in the future, nobody's already got it, whereas some people will already
>>>>have the other albums.
>>>
>>> Yes, but people who like individual songs, but only heard them well
>>> after
>>> original release, could not have bought them separately before.
>>
>>Indeed so, but they could still buy the albums if they wanted to, an
>>option
>>not yet open to people who like the new single.
>
> But I was thinking of people who just liked the one song - most aren't
> going to buy a whole album just for one track.
Presumably not, although Sam Sparro having a Top 10 album suggests some
people do.
Anyway, that applies equally to new material too, so the comparison is a bit
bogus.
>>> All we can really do is wait & see, though.
>>
>>That's true. But I'm not going to be betting money on them occupying the
>>entire Top 10.
>
> Or even *any* T10 slot, unless the iTunes releases are 'rationed' across a
> number of weeks.
Or unless there's something "new" out.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : Automatic #16,
>>>
>>>I'm not the one who's being sceptical - you are.
>>
>> Huh? I was the one who said it'd go T20, not you.
>
>Well, I didn't say it *wouldn't* but what I was getting at was that you said
>hearing it made you less convinced, which implies scepticism about the song
>convincing people.
This goes back to my predicting it unheard, based on their previous
performance.
>
>>>> Given that it's #11 on iTunes, it might even climb a little this week.
>>>
>>>Presumably its sales there are assisted by the late arrival last week.
>>
>> Maybe its airplay picked up, too?
>
>Conceivably, but I don't get the airplay chart.
Buzzjack posts the T50, and sometimes 51-100 is added later.