Chart Commentary 12/7/08
Paul Hyett
-------
Another new #1, but not an improvement on the last.
Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris) - Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1
on downloads.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Basshunter #3, Ironik #6
Top 20 : Ting Tings (SUALMG) #15, Madonna (GI2M) #18
Top 30 : MGMT #22 , Freemasons #23, Estelle (NSL) #30
Top 40 : none
Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35, Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46, Sharleen
Spiteri #47, Kooks #53, Goldfrapp #54, Usher #59, Ladyhawke #61
Re-entries : Elbow #50, Verve #58, MGMT (TTP) #60, Neil Diamond (SC)
#63, Kings Of Leon (F) #64, Take That (RTW) #70, Adele (HG) #74
Albums
------
Coldplay maintain a comfortable lead for their 4th week at #1
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Chris Brown #3, Seth Lakeman #8
Top 20 : MCR #12, Eddy Grant #14, Subways #17
New outside the top 20 : DPT #35, G-Unit #39,David Bowie #61, Original
Cast (Mama Mia) #66, Kings Of Leon (Y&YM/ASH) #67
Re-entries : Aerosmith (BO) #32, Kings Of Leon (BOTT) #37, LSP #40, Abba
(Gold) #43, Raconteurs #55, Sam Sparro #59, Adele #65
Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
It will surely be a straight fight between Dizzee & Basshunter, with
former perhaps just having the edge.
Top 5 : Basshunter (#2)
Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG), Madonna
Top 20 : Last Shadow Puppets
Top 30 : Kooks, Kid Rock
Top 40 : Feeling, Nerd, Sharleen Spiteri, Wombats
Any other possibilities?
Id love to see Annie go T40 on downloads, but I doubt that's realistic.
Albums
------
Coldplay look likely to have a 5th week at #1, as the new releases
generally look weak.
Top 10 NE : Black Kids
Top 20 NE : Beck, Biffy Clyro, Supremes
Others : Alkaline Trio, Chaka Khan, Gossip, Hawkwind, Leon Jean Marie,
Maroon 5, Unkle
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
Jan Buxton
> Singles
> -------
> Another new #1, but not an improvement on the last.
>
> Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris) - Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1
> on downloads.
Oh, I don't know, whatever you think of the Dizzee record, it's got to
be better than that execrable Ne-Yo track. Couldn't believe how bad that
was.
--
Jan
Robbie
> Singles
> -------
> Another new #1, but not an improvement on the last.
>
> Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris) - Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1
> on downloads.
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Basshunter #3, Ironik #6
> Top 20 : Ting Tings (SUALMG) #15, Madonna (GI2M) #18
> Top 30 : MGMT #22 , Freemasons #23, Estelle (NSL) #30
> Top 40 : none
>
> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35, Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
>
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46, Sharleen
> Spiteri #47, Kooks #53, Goldfrapp #54, Usher #59, Ladyhawke #61
>
> Re-entries : Elbow #50, Verve #58, MGMT (TTP) #60, Neil Diamond (SC)
> #63, Kings Of Leon (F) #64, Take That (RTW) #70, Adele (HG) #74
Rockstar finally falls from the top 40. The song is now on a DFS advert
but there's no chance of the song rebounding as apparently iTunes are no
longer selling the track as a single download, the only way to buy it is
as a single bundle or with the album in its entirety. This explains why
the song went from #40 on iTunes to out of the top 120 they list the
following day and why it has not returned since. It's likely the song
will disappear from the charts altogether next week. Though it is still
available at 7digital.com and some people with itunes claim they can
still download it.
--
Robbie
Chris Brown
"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Singles
> -------
> Another new #1, but not an improvement on the last.
I disagree slightly, although there have been Number Ones I've liked more.
> Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris)
And Chrome, if we're going to be complete.
>- Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1 on downloads.
Out tomorrow on CD and 12", not that that's likely to matter a lot in
practice.
This is of course his first credited Number One single, although he also
appeared on Band Aid 20's chart-topping single. Unless I'm greatly mistaken,
it's also the first indie release to top the chart on download sales alone.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Basshunter #3,
Out tomorrow on CDs and 12".
Worryingly, as of Sunday lunchtime I hadn't actually heard it. And as of
Sunday evening, I can't really remember it.
> Ironik #6
Or "Ironik Featuring Chipmunk" as it's credited in some places.
This has ostensibly climbed on physical release, although it's possible that
the digital release of the acoustic version has also had a significant
effect.
There seem to be further download versions out today so perhaps this isn't
the ultimate peak.
> Top 20 : Ting Tings (SUALMG) #15,
They can go any time they like, as far as I'm concerned.
> Madonna (GI2M) #18
Funny how these rumours about her marriage always seem to coincide with a
new single, isn't it?
> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
How to spell "There's nobody in the sports car" in four letters. Geddit?
Obviously one of the more visible beneficiaries of the televised Glastonbury
coverage, even if not the most obvious ones.
> Freemasons #23,
Where do they get off accusing people of boring them?
This feels like about the tenth rehash of their one idea, and by the looks
of it buyers must be tiring of it.
> Estelle (NSL) #30
After (or perhaps I should say during) the surprise success of 'American
Boy', the surprise non-success of 'No Substitute Love'. In fairness, it's
only really surprising because this is the follow-up to such a smash,
because it's clearly nowhere near as good, and the quotation from George
Michael's 'Faith' just doesn't fit in.
> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
Or 79p, depending on where you go. Boom-boom!
A re-emergence of his Rick Rubin-produced 2004 hit, which becomes his first
solo Top 40 hit since 'Show Me What You Got' just about made it in December
2006.
Only 98 more problems to solve then.
>Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
Five places up from last week, presumably because this week saw the official
download single appear.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46,
That seems to answer the question of whether it's on iTunes! But it
presumably hasn't been there all week. Out on CD on the 14th.
>Sharleen Spiteri #47,
Out tomorrow on CD.
> Kooks #53,
The peak of that Feeling single, FWIW.
>Goldfrapp #54,
Straggly third single from the album. Apparently the live versions are
better.
> Ladyhawke #61
Debut hit (such as it is) by the 80s-styled New Zealand singer-songwriter.
> Re-entries : Elbow #50,
>Verve #58,
Or The Verve, thanks to lawyers.
>MGMT (TTP) #60, Neil Diamond (SC) #63, Kings Of Leon (F) #64,
Presumably because these were all covered at Glasto. Neil Diamond, of
course, has also worked with Rick Rubin.
>Take That (RTW) #70,
Presumably because there are a lot of people out there who hate music.
>Adele (HG) #74
Out (again) on CD, 7" and 12" on the 21st.
> Albums
> ------
> Coldplay maintain a comfortable lead for their 4th week at #1
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Chris Brown #3,
In an admittedly quiet week at the top end, he manages to buck the Glasto
effect and peak in the second week of this version's run.
> Seth Lakeman #8
Third album from the contemporary folk singer, and his first specifically
recorded for a major label.
> Top 20 : MCR #12,
Live album, the CD portion of which features most of the original Black
Parade album performed in Mexico City. The attached DVD repeats the show and
adds a second gig from Hoboken.
>Eddy Grant #14,
His fourth charting best-of, each one on a different label.
This success should give him hope that people will wanna dance when his
first UK tour in many years hits a venue near them.
>Subways #17
Second album from the power-pop trio, produced by no less than Butch "Vot do
you mean I am vearing a" Vig, presumably in attempt to capture a more
mainstream rock audience.
Since their two main previous claims to fame (they were very young and two
of them were a couple) this seems to have been a wise move, even if radio
isn't yet convinced.
Naturally there's a limited edition with two more songs and a DVD.
> New outside the top 20 : DPT #35,
Romance At Short Notice may be slightly too apt a title for a record that
seems to have slipped out almost unnoticed, despite the success of their
first album.
Still, at least it's done better than the Yeti album.
>G-Unit #39,
Their new album is called TOS. Some people will call that one letter short.
This has been a surprisingly low-key release for an act one of whom was
considered a major star only a couple of years ago.
>David Bowie #61,
Live At Santa Monica '72 was originally a self-explanatory bootleg in which
Bowie and the Spiders From Mars perform a selection of tracks largely from
his early-70s records, plus a cover of 'Waiting For The Man'. Some fans
consider it superior to the official live recordings of the era.
It was first granted a legitimate release in 1994, when it peaked at 74, but
has now joined most of the rest of his back catalogue at EMI.
> Original Cast (Mama Mia) #66,
AFAICT this is the London stage cast recording, as released in 2004.
According to the marketing, they perform "'Money,Money,Money,' 'Dancing
Queen', 'Voulez-Vous', 'Super Trouper', 'Knowing Me, Knowing You' and any
other ABBA hit you can think of!" Which is true if you can't think of
'Fernando'.
> Kings Of Leon (Y&YM/ASH) #67
Both peaked at 3 on their original releases, but this combined version is
counted seperately.
> Re-entries : Aerosmith (BO) #32,
With their lifestyle, I'm not surprised. ;-)
Apparently bored with releasing indistinguishable best-of albums every
couple of years, they've now resorted to just releasing the same one
repeatedly. It also charted in 2006 and 2007.
>Kings Of Leon (BOTT) #37,
Now there's a mental image I didn't want!
> LSP #40,
Probably from promo of the new single, although I haven't seen a lot of
that.
>Abba (Gold) #43,
Mamma Mia, here we go again.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> It will surely be a straight fight between Dizzee & Basshunter, with
> former perhaps just having the edge.
Although I haven't got sales figures here, I'd guess that Mr Rascal must be
a long way ahead on downloads, since Basshunter couldn't even overtake NeYo.
> Top 5 : Basshunter (#2)
This seems very likely. Although that's obviously bad news for Jordin
Sparks.
> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
Might actually happen this week.
> Madonna
That would mean a bigger climb than this week, wouldn't it?
> Top 20 : Last Shadow Puppets
Probably about the best they can expect.
> Top 30 : Kooks,
Again, not the massive hit that once seemed ordained.
>Kid Rock
Yes.
> Top 40 : Feeling,
Following the Hard-Fi precedent, I suppose.
>Nerd,
Since it hasn't quite managed the Top 40 on downloads, it's unlikely to be
massive - noting that unlike the Busta Rhymes tune it's actively
radio-unfriendly.
> Sharleen Spiteri,
As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to say
here.
>Wombats
Surely this is a re-release too far? After all, 'Backfire At The Disco' only
just made it and that had been less successful before.
> Any other possibilities?
Jay Sean?
> Id love to see Annie go T40 on downloads, but I doubt that's realistic.
It does seem that way, although of course she's effectively untested in that
format.
> Albums
> ------
> Coldplay look likely to have a 5th week at #1, as the new releases
> generally look weak.
I'd tend to agree on that, and there's nothing obvious to climb either.
> Top 10 NE : Black Kids
They might have had more chance if they'd released it earlier.
> Top 20 NE : Beck,
It's slightly hard to tell, since his last album wasn't entitled to a chart
position, but his main releases have gone Top 20 more often than not.
>Biffy Clyro,
I think this may be a budget release, actually. And even if it isn't I
wouldn't bank on it charting this high.
>Supremes
I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
> Others : Alkaline Trio,
Seems likely on past form.
> Chaka Khan,
What is this? Some cheapo live album?
> Gossip,
This is just a remix album. Even big acts have trouble charting those.
>Hawkwind,
If it didn't chart a couple of weeks ago...
> Leon Jean Marie,
He may manage it, although he hasn't sold a lot of singles.
> Maroon 5,
Will presumably chart, but can't possibly beat the peak of the original
version! The same goes for Jack Johnson, of course.
>Unkle
Yup. It doesn't seem long since their last one does it?
Also, Albert Hammond Jr just about crept into the Top 75 last time, so he
could repeat that success. The Freemasons album joins the reissue pile, if
indeed it is an artist album. Tricky could manage it in a quiet enough week.
And the movie cast recording of Mamma Mia is out tomorrow, so if that's
allowed into the charts, it'll probably get there.
Chris
--
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Chris Brown
"Jan Buxton" <ja...@eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Having heard other NeYo records I found it very easy to believe.
Welcome back, BTW.
Chris
Jan Buxton
Ah you see, I've only been back listening to daytime Radio 1 for a few
months (previous job didn't have good enough reception) so have not,
knowingly at least, heard any of his other stuff.
> Welcome back, BTW.
Thanks.
--
Jan
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris)
>
>And Chrome, if we're going to be complete.
I doubt they were much of a selling point, though.
>
>>- Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1 on downloads.
>
>Out tomorrow on CD and 12", not that that's likely to matter a lot in
>practice.
It certainly didn't in Busta Rhymes case - one which I happily called
correctly...
>This is of course his first credited Number One single, although he also
>appeared on Band Aid 20's chart-topping single. Unless I'm greatly mistaken,
>it's also the first indie release to top the chart on download sales alone.
Which download company released it then?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Basshunter #3,
>
>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12".
>Worryingly, as of Sunday lunchtime I hadn't actually heard it. And as of
>Sunday evening, I can't really remember it.
A quality it shares with their last release? :)
>
>> Ironik #6
>
>Or "Ironik Featuring Chipmunk" as it's credited in some places.
Scooter seem to get away with it.
>There seem to be further download versions out today so perhaps this isn't
>the ultimate peak.
But how many people will buy those just for the sake of it? I've found
that only distinguishing feature of most dance remixes tends to be
extended length. Only rarely do they add anything to the original
(especially when the original is also a dance track).
>
>> Top 20 : Ting Tings (SUALMG) #15,
>
>They can go any time they like, as far as I'm concerned.
I'll offer Katie White refuge... :)
>
>> Madonna (GI2M) #18
>
>Funny how these rumours about her marriage always seem to coincide with a
>new single, isn't it?
You're saying marriage rumours make people like a song more? :)
>
>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>
>How to spell "There's nobody in the sports car" in four letters. Geddit?
>Obviously one of the more visible beneficiaries of the televised Glastonbury
>coverage, even if not the most obvious ones.
Though presumably a short-lived beneficiary, as the others will surely
also be.
>
>> Freemasons #23,
>
>Where do they get off accusing people of boring them?
>This feels like about the tenth rehash of their one idea, and by the looks
>of it buyers must be tiring of it.
They seem to work better with others, than on their own.
>
>> Estelle (NSL) #30
>
>After (or perhaps I should say during) the surprise success of 'American
>Boy', the surprise non-success of 'No Substitute Love'. In fairness, it's
>only really surprising because this is the follow-up to such a smash,
>because it's clearly nowhere near as good, and the quotation from George
>Michael's 'Faith' just doesn't fit in.
Plus it also suggests that it was Kanye's presence that sold that last
one, rather than hers.
>
>> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
>
>A re-emergence of his Rick Rubin-produced 2004 hit, which becomes his first
>solo Top 40 hit since 'Show Me What You Got' just about made it in December
>2006.
R1 censors got their scissors out, as usual.
>
>>Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
>
>Five places up from last week, presumably because this week saw the official
>download single appear.
I lust assumed it was the Glastonbury effect again.
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46,
>
>That seems to answer the question of whether it's on iTunes! But it
>presumably hasn't been there all week. Out on CD on the 14th.
A T10 candidate at worst, I'd say.
>
>>Sharleen Spiteri #47,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD.
Have Texas officially split, or is this just a side-project?
>
>>Goldfrapp #54,
>
>Straggly third single from the album. Apparently the live versions are
>better.
Still haven't seen the video...
>
>> Ladyhawke #61
>
>Debut hit (such as it is) by the 80s-styled New Zealand singer-songwriter.
I quite like this one.
>
>> Re-entries : Elbow #50,
>>Verve #58,
>
>Or The Verve, thanks to lawyers.
They haven't contacted *me*. :)
>
>>MGMT (TTP) #60, Neil Diamond (SC) #63, Kings Of Leon (F) #64,
>
>Presumably because these were all covered at Glasto.
'Covered' implies not performed by the original artist, but AFAIK the
above were all there?
>Neil Diamond, of
>course, has also worked with Rick Rubin.
So?
>
>>Take That (RTW) #70,
>
>Presumably because there are a lot of people out there who hate music.
Ahem...
>
>>Adele (HG) #74
>
>Out (again) on CD, 7" and 12" on the 21st.
Because missing the T40 twice before wasn't enough? :)
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Chris Brown #3,
>
>In an admittedly quiet week at the top end, he manages to buck the Glasto
>effect and peak in the second week of this version's run.
Perhaps partly because of the scarcity of new releases?
>
>> Seth Lakeman #8
>
>Third album from the contemporary folk singer, and his first specifically
>recorded for a major label.
Another albums-only artist.
>
>> Top 20 : MCR #12,
>
>Live album, the CD portion of which features most of the original Black
>Parade album performed in Mexico City. The attached DVD repeats the show and
>adds a second gig from Hoboken.
As always, the appeal if live recordings eludes me, not to mention the
appeal of the group, period. :)
>
>>Eddy Grant #14,
>
>His fourth charting best-of, each one on a different label.
>This success should give him hope that people will wanna dance when his
>first UK tour in many years hits a venue near them.
I bought a couple of his big hits, back in the 80's - but now they fall
into the 'what was I thinking' category.
>
>>Subways #17
>
>Second album from the power-pop trio, produced by no less than Butch "Vot do
>you mean I am vearing a" Vig, presumably in attempt to capture a more
>mainstream rock audience.
>Since their two main previous claims to fame (they were very young and two
>of them were a couple) this seems to have been a wise move, even if radio
>isn't yet convinced.
Or few others, apparently.
>Naturally there's a limited edition with two more songs and a DVD.
Yawn. :)
>
>> New outside the top 20 : DPT #35,
>
>Romance At Short Notice may be slightly too apt a title for a record that
>seems to have slipped out almost unnoticed, despite the success of their
>first album.
>Still, at least it's done better than the Yeti album.
Huh?
>
>>G-Unit #39,
>
>Their new album is called TOS. Some people will call that one letter short.
Grin.
>This has been a surprisingly low-key release for an act one of whom was
>considered a major star only a couple of years ago.
Indeed - it didn't even appear on the New Release schedule.
>
>>David Bowie #61,
>
>It was first granted a legitimate release in 1994, when it peaked at 74, but
>has now joined most of the rest of his back catalogue at EMI.
I dare sat the chart position closely resembles his current age, too?
>
>> Original Cast (Mama Mia) #66,
>
>AFAICT this is the London stage cast recording, as released in 2004.
The Abba:Gold album benefited more. :)
>
>> Kings Of Leon (Y&YM/ASH) #67
>
>Both peaked at 3 on their original releases, but this combined version is
>counted seperately.
Hence it qualifying as a NE.
>
>> Re-entries : Aerosmith (BO) #32,
>
>With their lifestyle, I'm not surprised. ;-)
>Apparently bored with releasing indistinguishable best-of albums every
>couple of years, they've now resorted to just releasing the same one
>repeatedly. It also charted in 2006 and 2007.
About as original an idea as your comment, then... :)
>
>>Kings Of Leon (BOTT) #37,
>
>Now there's a mental image I didn't want!
I think you need to buy a *new* book of puns & innuendo. :)
>
>> LSP #40,
>
>Probably from promo of the new single, although I haven't seen a lot of
>that.
More than *I've* seen, though.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> It will surely be a straight fight between Dizzee & Basshunter, with
>> former perhaps just having the edge.
>
>Although I haven't got sales figures here, I'd guess that Mr Rascal must be
>a long way ahead on downloads, since Basshunter couldn't even overtake NeYo.
I'd assume so.
>
>> Top 5 : Basshunter (#2)
>
>This seems very likely. Although that's obviously bad news for Jordin
>Sparks.
But not also for your namesake?
>
>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>
>Might actually happen this week.
IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
>
>> Madonna
>
>That would mean a bigger climb than this week, wouldn't it?
Publicity building up.
>
>> Top 30 :
>
>>Kid Rock
>
>Yes.
Since it *has* appeared on iTunes after all, I think I've underestimated
it - change this to T20.
>
>>Nerd,
>
>Since it hasn't quite managed the Top 40 on downloads, it's unlikely to be
>massive - noting that unlike the Busta Rhymes tune it's actively
>radio-unfriendly.
I've deliberately avoided hearing it, so can't comment on that.
>
>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>
>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to say
>here.
It *is* T15 on airplay, so...
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Jay Sean?
I'd be surprised, from its slow start on downloads.
>
>> Id love to see Annie go T40 on downloads, but I doubt that's realistic.
>
>It does seem that way, although of course she's effectively untested in that
>format.
A strange comment, as the same could be said of Dido, or even the
Beatles...
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Coldplay look likely to have a 5th week at #1, as the new releases
>> generally look weak.
>
>I'd tend to agree on that, and there's nothing obvious to climb either.
Though Duffy may have a chance, if her sales are more steady.
>
>> Top 10 NE : Black Kids
>
>They might have had more chance if they'd released it earlier.
Agreed.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>
>It's slightly hard to tell, since his last album wasn't entitled to a chart
>position
So the #131 'Guerolito' achieved was an illusion?
>, but his main releases have gone Top 20 more often than not.
Hence my prediction.
>
>>Biffy Clyro,
>
>I think this may be a budget release, actually. And even if it isn't I
>wouldn't bank on it charting this high.
Surely a cheap price would have it charting *higher*?
>
>>Supremes
>
>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
Huh?
>
>> Others :
>
>> Chaka Khan,
>
>What is this? Some cheapo live album?
No idea.
>
>> Gossip,
>
>This is just a remix album. Even big acts have trouble charting those.
Didn't know.
>
>Also, Albert Hammond Jr
Who?
>just about crept into the Top 75 last time, so he
>could repeat that success. The Freemasons album joins the reissue pile, if
>indeed it is an artist album. Tricky could manage it in a quiet enough week.
>And the movie cast recording of Mamma Mia is out tomorrow, so if that's
>allowed into the charts, it'll probably get there.
I thought that charted *this* week?
Jan Buxton
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 at 21:17:04, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> After (or perhaps I should say during) the surprise success of 'American
>> Boy', the surprise non-success of 'No Substitute Love'. In fairness, it's
>> only really surprising because this is the follow-up to such a smash,
>> because it's clearly nowhere near as good, and the quotation from George
>> Michael's 'Faith' just doesn't fit in.
>
> Plus it also suggests that it was Kanye's presence that sold that last
> one, rather than hers.
'American Boy' was just a great song. 'No Substitute Love' isn't.
Sometimes just as simple as that. Thought NSL would go a bit higher
though on the back of AB.
> I lust assumed it was the Glastonbury effect again.
Freudian. :-)
--
Jan
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 at 21:17:04, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Dizzee Rascal (ft Calvin Harris)
>>
>>And Chrome, if we're going to be complete.
>
> I doubt they were much of a selling point, though.
He only seems to be one person.
>>>- Dance Wiv Me, goes straight in at #1 on downloads.
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD and 12", not that that's likely to matter a lot in
>>practice.
>
> It certainly didn't in Busta Rhymes case - one which I happily called
> correctly...
You know what, I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that 'Dance Wiv
Me' won't climb to a higher chart position either. ;-)
>>This is of course his first credited Number One single, although he also
>>appeared on Band Aid 20's chart-topping single. Unless I'm greatly
>>mistaken,
>>it's also the first indie release to top the chart on download sales
>>alone.
>
> Which download company released it then?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "download company" there, but it's not
on a major label, and all the previous tracks that have done this were.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Basshunter #3,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12".
>>Worryingly, as of Sunday lunchtime I hadn't actually heard it. And as of
>>Sunday evening, I can't really remember it.
>
> A quality it shares with their last release? :)
Well, certainly not the first part - I mean, I'd heard 'Now You're Gone'
before it came out on CD. And that means the second part isn't exactly a
fair fight.
>>> Ironik #6
>>
>>Or "Ironik Featuring Chipmunk" as it's credited in some places.
>
> Scooter seem to get away with it.
Yes, but nobody ever listened to Scooter to be cool.
I mean it really does credit the Chipmunk in some places. eg
http://www.7digital.com/stores/productDetail.aspx?shop=15&pid=275467
>>There seem to be further download versions out today so perhaps this isn't
>>the ultimate peak.
>
> But how many people will buy those just for the sake of it? I've found
> that only distinguishing feature of most dance remixes tends to be
> extended length. Only rarely do they add anything to the original
> (especially when the original is also a dance track).
But this isn't a dance record so (in theory) a remix could be interesting.
But it probably won't be.
>>> Madonna (GI2M) #18
>>
>>Funny how these rumours about her marriage always seem to coincide with a
>>new single, isn't it?
>
> You're saying marriage rumours make people like a song more? :)
Well, they make sure everyone knows it's out.
Remember how all this happened when 'Sorry' came out?
>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>
>>How to spell "There's nobody in the sports car" in four letters. Geddit?
>>Obviously one of the more visible beneficiaries of the televised
>>Glastonbury
>>coverage, even if not the most obvious ones.
>
> Though presumably a short-lived beneficiary, as the others will surely
> also be.
This particular record will presumably be, but who knows what the ultimate
effect will be on the band's career.
>>> Freemasons #23,
>>
>>Where do they get off accusing people of boring them?
>>This feels like about the tenth rehash of their one idea, and by the looks
>>of it buyers must be tiring of it.
>
> They seem to work better with others, than on their own.
Well, strictly speaking there are other people on this.
>>> Estelle (NSL) #30
>>
>>After (or perhaps I should say during) the surprise success of 'American
>>Boy', the surprise non-success of 'No Substitute Love'. In fairness, it's
>>only really surprising because this is the follow-up to such a smash,
>>because it's clearly nowhere near as good, and the quotation from George
>>Michael's 'Faith' just doesn't fit in.
>
> Plus it also suggests that it was Kanye's presence that sold that last
> one, rather than hers.
Well, doubtless that accounted for some sales. But Kanye wasn't on '1980' or
'Free' and they both did better than this.
>>> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
>>
>>A re-emergence of his Rick Rubin-produced 2004 hit, which becomes his
>>first
>>solo Top 40 hit since 'Show Me What You Got' just about made it in
>>December
>>2006.
>
> R1 censors got their scissors out, as usual.
IIRC this is the original radio edit.
>>>Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
>>
>>Five places up from last week, presumably because this week saw the
>>official
>>download single appear.
>
> I lust assumed it was the Glastonbury effect again.
For Maroon sodding Five?
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46,
>>
>>That seems to answer the question of whether it's on iTunes! But it
>>presumably hasn't been there all week. Out on CD on the 14th.
>
> A T10 candidate at worst, I'd say.
And I agree, albeit possibly not with the same concept of "worst".
>>>Sharleen Spiteri #47,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD.
>
> Have Texas officially split, or is this just a side-project?
They haven't officially split, but then neither did Boyzone.
>>>Goldfrapp #54,
>>
>>Straggly third single from the album. Apparently the live versions are
>>better.
>
> Still haven't seen the video...
Official version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8VyukQtTg
>>> Ladyhawke #61
>>
>>Debut hit (such as it is) by the 80s-styled New Zealand singer-songwriter.
>
> I quite like this one.
You've heard it then?
>>>Verve #58,
>>
>>Or The Verve, thanks to lawyers.
>
> They haven't contacted *me*. :)
They were really sued though.
>>>MGMT (TTP) #60, Neil Diamond (SC) #63, Kings Of Leon (F) #64,
>>
>>Presumably because these were all covered at Glasto.
>
> 'Covered' implies not performed by the original artist, but AFAIK the
> above were all there?
I mean covered by the TV cameras. As opposed to, say, Leonard Cohen who was
there but not filmed.
>>Neil Diamond, of
>>course, has also worked with Rick Rubin.
>
> So?
So that might be useful if you ever need to link Jay-Z and Neil Diamond in a
Pub Quiz.
>>>Adele (HG) #74
>>
>>Out (again) on CD, 7" and 12" on the 21st.
>
> Because missing the T40 twice before wasn't enough? :)
Er, when has it ever missed the Top 40?
It has actually been a Top 40 once.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Chris Brown #3,
>>
>>In an admittedly quiet week at the top end, he manages to buck the Glasto
>>effect and peak in the second week of this version's run.
>
> Perhaps partly because of the scarcity of new releases?
Well, so I said, but at least you'd think that Duffy and Diamond would have
some advantage.
>>> Seth Lakeman #8
>>
>>Third album from the contemporary folk singer, and his first specifically
>>recorded for a major label.
>
> Another albums-only artist.
So far anyway.
>>> Top 20 : MCR #12,
>>
>>Live album, the CD portion of which features most of the original Black
>>Parade album performed in Mexico City. The attached DVD repeats the show
>>and
>>adds a second gig from Hoboken.
>
> As always, the appeal if live recordings eludes me, not to mention the
> appeal of the group, period. :)
Perfect combination, then.
>>>Eddy Grant #14,
>>
>>His fourth charting best-of, each one on a different label.
>>This success should give him hope that people will wanna dance when his
>>first UK tour in many years hits a venue near them.
>
> I bought a couple of his big hits, back in the 80's - but now they fall
> into the 'what was I thinking' category.
They weren't that bad though.
>>>Subways #17
>>
>>Second album from the power-pop trio, produced by no less than Butch "Vot
>>do
>>you mean I am vearing a" Vig, presumably in attempt to capture a more
>>mainstream rock audience.
>>Since their two main previous claims to fame (they were very young and two
>>of them were a couple) this seems to have been a wise move, even if radio
>>isn't yet convinced.
>
> Or few others, apparently.
It's charted a good bit higher than the last one, though.
>>> New outside the top 20 : DPT #35,
>>
>>Romance At Short Notice may be slightly too apt a title for a record that
>>seems to have slipped out almost unnoticed, despite the success of their
>>first album.
>>Still, at least it's done better than the Yeti album.
>
> Huh?
Yeti is the band fronted by another member of the Libertines, and they
managed to sneak a Top 40 hit shortly after the split. They released an
album a couple of weeks ago.
>>>G-Unit #39,
>>
>>Their new album is called TOS. Some people will call that one letter
>>short.
>
> Grin.
That was such an obvious gag I almost didn't use it. But looking at the
reviews online it seemed quite fitting.
>>This has been a surprisingly low-key release for an act one of whom was
>>considered a major star only a couple of years ago.
>
> Indeed - it didn't even appear on the New Release schedule.
I saw some reference but assumed it was just one of those mixtapes or
something.
>>>David Bowie #61,
>>
>>It was first granted a legitimate release in 1994, when it peaked at 74,
>>but
>>has now joined most of the rest of his back catalogue at EMI.
>
> I dare sat the chart position closely resembles his current age, too?
He was born in January 1947, so it couldn't be much closer.
>>> Original Cast (Mama Mia) #66,
>>
>>AFAICT this is the London stage cast recording, as released in 2004.
>
> The Abba:Gold album benefited more. :)
It charted higher, yes, but since it presumably sells quite a few in a
"normal" week the sales gain for this may be higher.
>>> Kings Of Leon (Y&YM/ASH) #67
>>
>>Both peaked at 3 on their original releases, but this combined version is
>>counted seperately.
>
> Hence it qualifying as a NE.
Yep. I just couldn't think of anything more interesting to say about this.
>>> LSP #40,
>>
>>Probably from promo of the new single, although I haven't seen a lot of
>>that.
>
> More than *I've* seen, though.
How do you know?
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Top 5 : Basshunter (#2)
>>
>>This seems very likely. Although that's obviously bad news for Jordin
>>Sparks.
>
> But not also for your namesake?
He's already had a Top 2 single, and he has two other songs in the current
Top 40, so it seems less important to him.
>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>
>>Might actually happen this week.
>
> IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
Even though the other two are worse?
>>> Madonna
>>
>>That would mean a bigger climb than this week, wouldn't it?
>
> Publicity building up.
No kidding!
>>> Top 30 :
>>
>>>Kid Rock
>>
>>Yes.
>
> Since it *has* appeared on iTunes after all, I think I've underestimated
> it - change this to T20.
Is that for certain?
Wait, I've just checked their chart and it's at Number 11!
>>>Nerd,
>>
>>Since it hasn't quite managed the Top 40 on downloads, it's unlikely to be
>>massive - noting that unlike the Busta Rhymes tune it's actively
>>radio-unfriendly.
>
> I've deliberately avoided hearing it, so can't comment on that.
It's about Teh Druggs!
>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>>
>>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to
>>say
>>here.
>
> It *is* T15 on airplay, so...
...?
>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>Jay Sean?
>
> I'd be surprised, from its slow start on downloads.
But you could have said that about the previous ones, and this is a
post-album single. He seems to have retained a fanbase somehow.
>>> Id love to see Annie go T40 on downloads, but I doubt that's realistic.
>>
>>It does seem that way, although of course she's effectively untested in
>>that
>>format.
>
> A strange comment, as the same could be said of Dido, or even the
> Beatles...
The difference being though, that those acts have proved themselves to be
popular in other formats.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Coldplay look likely to have a 5th week at #1, as the new releases
>>> generally look weak.
>>
>>I'd tend to agree on that, and there's nothing obvious to climb either.
>
> Though Duffy may have a chance, if her sales are more steady.
That must depend on the size of the margin though, which I've yet to see.
>>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>>
>>It's slightly hard to tell, since his last album wasn't entitled to a
>>chart
>>position
>
> So the #131 'Guerolito' achieved was an illusion?
That wasn't his last album (arguably doesn't count as one at all, as it's
only remixes). Since then he released The Information, which wasn't eligible
for the chart.
>>, but his main releases have gone Top 20 more often than not.
>
> Hence my prediction.
Which I agree with.
>>>Biffy Clyro,
>>
>>I think this may be a budget release, actually. And even if it isn't I
>>wouldn't bank on it charting this high.
>
> Surely a cheap price would have it charting *higher*?
But if it actually is a budget album it doesn't qualify for the main album
chart.
>>>Supremes
>>
>>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
>>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
>
> Huh?
It's a big museum in London.
www.vam.ac.uk
>>> Others :
>>
>>> Chaka Khan,
>>
>>What is this? Some cheapo live album?
>
> No idea.
Looks like it.
>>> Gossip,
>>
>>This is just a remix album. Even big acts have trouble charting those.
...As Beck proved, back there.
> Didn't know.
Isn't the title a clue?
>>Also, Albert Hammond Jr
>
> Who?
Well, no prizes for guessing who his dad is!
>>just about crept into the Top 75 last time, so he
>>could repeat that success. The Freemasons album joins the reissue pile, if
>>indeed it is an artist album. Tricky could manage it in a quiet enough
>>week.
>>And the movie cast recording of Mamma Mia is out tomorrow, so if that's
>>allowed into the charts, it'll probably get there.
>
> I thought that charted *this* week?
Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the movie
cast.
Also, it looks like the Jordin Sparks album is being promoted this week.
Chris
Paul Hyett
in uk.music.charts :
>>>> Estelle (NSL) #30
>>>
>>> After (or perhaps I should say during) the surprise success of 'American
>>> Boy', the surprise non-success of 'No Substitute Love'. In fairness, it's
>>> only really surprising because this is the follow-up to such a smash,
>>> because it's clearly nowhere near as good, and the quotation from George
>>> Michael's 'Faith' just doesn't fit in.
>> Plus it also suggests that it was Kanye's presence that sold that
>>last one, rather than hers.
>
>'American Boy' was just a great song.
We are talking about the same song, right? :)
>'No Substitute Love' isn't. Sometimes just as simple as that. Thought
>NSL would go a bit higher though on the back of AB.
It might yet climb... but I doubt it.
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CD and 12", not that that's likely to matter a lot in
>>>practice.
>>
>> It certainly didn't in Busta Rhymes case - one which I happily called
>> correctly...
>
>You know what, I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that 'Dance Wiv
>Me' won't climb to a higher chart position either. ;-)
Grin.
In the local HMV yesterday, physical copies of Basshunter seemed to be
more prominent than Dizzee's though.
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Ironik #6
>>>
>>>Or "Ironik Featuring Chipmunk" as it's credited in some places.
>>
>> Scooter seem to get away with it.
>
>Yes, but nobody ever listened to Scooter to be cool.
But they do with DJ Ironik?
>
>>>There seem to be further download versions out today so perhaps this isn't
>>>the ultimate peak.
>>
>> But how many people will buy those just for the sake of it? I've found
>> that only distinguishing feature of most dance remixes tends to be
>> extended length. Only rarely do they add anything to the original
>> (especially when the original is also a dance track).
>
>But this isn't a dance record
Tell that to MTV Dance...
> so (in theory) a remix could be interesting.
Couldn't be *worse*, at least.
>
>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>
>>>How to spell "There's nobody in the sports car" in four letters. Geddit?
>>>Obviously one of the more visible beneficiaries of the televised
>>>Glastonbury
>>>coverage, even if not the most obvious ones.
>>
>> Though presumably a short-lived beneficiary, as the others will surely
>> also be.
>
>This particular record will presumably be, but who knows what the ultimate
>effect will be on the band's career.
To benefit (if they do), they'll need to come up with more new material
relatively quickly though.
>
>>>> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
>>
>> R1 censors got their scissors out, as usual.
>
>IIRC this is the original radio edit.
Censorship is the one think on radio I hate more than rap, though. IMO
you should play records unedited, or not at all.
If the 'Mary Whitehouses' don't like the language in the songs, just
wait until they hear the language in my response to their complaints! :)
>
>>>>Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
>>>
>>>Five places up from last week
>>
>> I lust assumed it was the Glastonbury effect again.
>
>For Maroon sodding Five?
Why not? You might not like them, but...
>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kid Rock #46,
>>
>> A T10 candidate, I'd say.
>
>And I agree
The poll on Buzzjack suggests many think it'll go all the way.
>
>>>>Goldfrapp #54,
>>
>> Still haven't seen the video...
>
>Official version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8VyukQtTg
Thanks.
Isn't it strange how some record companies are happy to post official
videos to Youtube, whereas others are absolutely anal about having them
remove from the site...
>
>>>> Ladyhawke #61
>>>
>>>Debut hit (such as it is) by the 80s-styled New Zealand singer-songwriter.
>>
>> I quite like this one.
>
>You've heard it then?
Well, duh. :)
>
>>>>Adele (HG) #74
>>>
>>>Out (again) on CD, 7" and 12" on the 21st.
>>
>> Because missing the T40 twice before wasn't enough? :)
>
>Er, when has it ever missed the Top 40?
Sorry - meant to write *T30*.
>It has actually been a Top 40 once.
It's a matter of definition : it went #32 on 9/2/08, before dropping
right out of the T200 - then re-entered straight to #38 on 19/4 (swiftly
dropping out of the T200 *again*).
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>Eddy Grant #14,
>>
>> I bought a couple of his big hits, back in the 80's - but now they fall
>> into the 'what was I thinking' category.
>
>They weren't that bad though.
That's apparently what I thought at the time, anyway.
>
>>>>G-Unit #39,
>
>>>This has been a surprisingly low-key release for an act one of whom was
>>>considered a major star only a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Indeed - it didn't even appear on the New Release schedule.
>
>I saw some reference but assumed it was just one of those mixtapes or
>something.
They didn't even bother releasing a single.
>
>>>>David Bowie #61,
>> I dare sat the chart position closely resembles his current age, too?
>
>He was born in January 1947, so it couldn't be much closer.
And I didn't even look up his birth date!
>
>>>> LSP #40,
>>>
>>>Probably from promo of the new single, although I haven't seen a lot of
>>>that.
>>
>> More than *I've* seen, though.
>
>How do you know?
Because I've seen none, and since you've seen a little bit, then that
*must* be more than me...
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>
>>>Might actually happen this week.
>>
>> IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
>
>Even though the other two are worse?
I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
>
>>>> Top 30 :
>>>
>>>>Kid Rock
>>
>> Since it *has* appeared on iTunes after all, I think I've underestimated
>> it - change this to T20.
>
>Is that for certain?
>Wait, I've just checked their chart and it's at Number 11!
It's slipped several places then?
>
>>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>>>
>>>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to
>>>say
>>>here.
>>
>> It *is* T15 on airplay, so...
>
>...?
So that's probably why it's doing better than you expected.
>
>>>>Annie
>>>
>>>she's effectively untested in
>>>that
>>>format.
>>
>> A strange comment, as the same could be said of Dido, or even the
>> Beatles...
>
>The difference being though, that those acts have proved themselves to be
>popular in other formats.
<Cough>Weller, Morrissey<cough>
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>>>
>>>It's slightly hard to tell, since his last album wasn't entitled to a
>>>chart
>>>position
>>
>> So the #131 'Guerolito' achieved was an illusion?
>
>That wasn't his last album
OK.
>Since then he released The Information, which wasn't eligible
>for the chart.
Why not?
>
>>>>Biffy Clyro,
>>>
>>>I think this may be a budget release, actually. And even if it isn't I
>>>wouldn't bank on it charting this high.
>>
>> Surely a cheap price would have it charting *higher*?
>
>But if it actually is a budget album it doesn't qualify for the main album
>chart.
I saw it yesterday at a higher-than-budget price, though.
>
>>>>Supremes
>>>
>>>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
>>>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>It's a big museum in London.
>www.vam.ac.uk
I knew what it was - just not what the Supremes connection was?
>
>>>> Gossip,
>>>
>>>This is just a remix album. Even big acts have trouble charting those.
>
>...As Beck proved, back there.
>
>> Didn't know.
>
>Isn't the title a clue?
I never read the titles, just the artist names.
>>>And the movie cast recording of Mamma Mia is out tomorrow, so if that's
>>>allowed into the charts, it'll probably get there.
>>
>> I thought that charted *this* week?
>
>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the movie
>cast.
Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
recordings are still widely available.
>Also, it looks like the Jordin Sparks album is being promoted this week.
>
Which wouldn't be much use unless 'No Air' isn't on CB's album?
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 at 23:33:28, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>
> Grin.
>
> In the local HMV yesterday, physical copies of Basshunter seemed to be
> more prominent than Dizzee's though.
I forgot to look for Basshunter.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Ironik #6
>>>>
>>>>Or "Ironik Featuring Chipmunk" as it's credited in some places.
>>>
>>> Scooter seem to get away with it.
>>
>>Yes, but nobody ever listened to Scooter to be cool.
>
> But they do with DJ Ironik?
Too soon to know, but he's not marked uncool like Scooter. What's your
point?
>>>>There seem to be further download versions out today so perhaps this
>>>>isn't
>>>>the ultimate peak.
>>>
>>> But how many people will buy those just for the sake of it? I've found
>>> that only distinguishing feature of most dance remixes tends to be
>>> extended length. Only rarely do they add anything to the original
>>> (especially when the original is also a dance track).
>>
>>But this isn't a dance record
>
> Tell that to MTV Dance...
Maybe I will, next time I speak to them.
>> so (in theory) a remix could be interesting.
>
> Couldn't be *worse*, at least.
I suspect it could actually. They could play the Westlife sample at the
right speed, for one thing.
>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>>
>>>>How to spell "There's nobody in the sports car" in four letters. Geddit?
>>>>Obviously one of the more visible beneficiaries of the televised
>>>>Glastonbury
>>>>coverage, even if not the most obvious ones.
>>>
>>> Though presumably a short-lived beneficiary, as the others will surely
>>> also be.
>>
>>This particular record will presumably be, but who knows what the ultimate
>>effect will be on the band's career.
>
> To benefit (if they do), they'll need to come up with more new material
> relatively quickly though.
Presumably, although they might be able the sneak another hit or two from
this album (an airplay hit if not a sales one).
>>>>> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
>>>
>>> R1 censors got their scissors out, as usual.
>>
>>IIRC this is the original radio edit.
>
> Censorship is the one think on radio I hate more than rap, though. IMO you
> should play records unedited, or not at all.
But how do I know you don't only think that because you don't want them to
play Jay-Z records again?
Anyway, this is Universal's edit, not the Beeb's.
>>>>>Maroon 5/Rihanna #36
>>>>
>>>>Five places up from last week
>>>
>>> I lust assumed it was the Glastonbury effect again.
>>
>>For Maroon sodding Five?
>
> Why not? You might not like them, but...
I don't like the Kings Of Leon either, but I can imagine them playing at
Glastonbury (well, I don't have to because it's happened, but you know what
I mean).
>>>>>Goldfrapp #54,
>>>
>>> Still haven't seen the video...
>>
>>Official version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8VyukQtTg
>
> Thanks.
>
> Isn't it strange how some record companies are happy to post official
> videos to Youtube, whereas others are absolutely anal about having them
> remove from the site...
I dunno about that - most of the record companies I can think of have their
own YouTube setup now.
>>>>>Adele (HG) #74
>>>>
>>>>Out (again) on CD, 7" and 12" on the 21st.
>>>
>>> Because missing the T40 twice before wasn't enough? :)
>>
>>Er, when has it ever missed the Top 40?
>
> Sorry - meant to write *T30*.
Ah. Well that's sort of true then, although I don't know if you can really
miss something you're not aiming at.
>>It has actually been a Top 40 once.
>
> It's a matter of definition : it went #32 on 9/2/08, before dropping right
> out of the T200 - then re-entered straight to #38 on 19/4 (swiftly
> dropping out of the T200 *again*).
That's a bit odd, isn't it? I suppose the first week was just pent-up
demand, and the second was from that TV show.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>G-Unit #39,
>>
>>>>This has been a surprisingly low-key release for an act one of whom was
>>>>considered a major star only a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>> Indeed - it didn't even appear on the New Release schedule.
>>
>>I saw some reference but assumed it was just one of those mixtapes or
>>something.
>
> They didn't even bother releasing a single.
Well, not yet anyway. IIRC the previous G-Unit album wasn't preceded by a
single either, and even 'In Da Club' was released *after* the album.
>>>>>David Bowie #61,
>
>>> I dare sat the chart position closely resembles his current age, too?
>>
>>He was born in January 1947, so it couldn't be much closer.
>
> And I didn't even look up his birth date!
You may have remember his 60th. It was abotu 18 months ago, obviously.
>>>>> LSP #40,
>>>>
>>>>Probably from promo of the new single, although I haven't seen a lot of
>>>>that.
>>>
>>> More than *I've* seen, though.
>>
>>How do you know?
>
> Because I've seen none, and since you've seen a little bit, then that
> *must* be more than me...
Strictly speaking, I didn't actually say that!
But I'm watching the video right now!!!!
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>>
>>>>Might actually happen this week.
>>>
>>> IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
>>
>>Even though the other two are worse?
>
> I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
You're still allowed to buy it, you know!
>>>>> Top 30 :
>>>>
>>>>>Kid Rock
>>>
>>> Since it *has* appeared on iTunes after all, I think I've underestimated
>>> it - change this to T20.
>>
>>Is that for certain?
>>Wait, I've just checked their chart and it's at Number 11!
>
> It's slipped several places then?
I don't know - maybe all the people who like Kid Rock had taken an early
night?
>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>>>>
>>>>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to
>>>>say
>>>>here.
>>>
>>> It *is* T15 on airplay, so...
>>
>>...?
>
> So that's probably why it's doing better than you expected.
Well, not really. I already knew it was a big radio hit.
>>>>>Annie
>>>>
>>>>she's effectively untested in
>>>>that
>>>>format.
>>>
>>> A strange comment, as the same could be said of Dido, or even the
>>> Beatles...
>>
>>The difference being though, that those acts have proved themselves to be
>>popular in other formats.
Last Shadow Puppets vid has just finished, BTW.
> <Cough>Weller, Morrissey<cough>
In a way, that's almost my point. Weller and Moz have done pretty well at
shifting physcal singles and they still aren't shifting many downloads. As
Annie hasn't hitherto been very successful on physicals she'd presumably
have to be significantly more popular on downloads in order to chart that
way - which some people are of course, but we wouldn't yet know if she was
one of them.
Having said all that, according to 7digital the single has been available on
download since the 27th of June.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>>>>
>>>>It's slightly hard to tell, since his last album wasn't entitled to a
>>>>chart
>>>>position
>>>
>>> So the #131 'Guerolito' achieved was an illusion?
>>
>>That wasn't his last album
>
> OK.
>
>>Since then he released The Information, which wasn't eligible
>>for the chart.
>
> Why not?
Free stickers, so you could design your own cover. From what I've heard, he
should have let you change the music as well.
>>>>>Biffy Clyro,
>>>>
>>>>I think this may be a budget release, actually. And even if it isn't I
>>>>wouldn't bank on it charting this high.
>>>
>>> Surely a cheap price would have it charting *higher*?
>>
>>But if it actually is a budget album it doesn't qualify for the main album
>>chart.
>
> I saw it yesterday at a higher-than-budget price, though.
OK scrap the first half of my prediction then.
>>>>>Supremes
>>>>
>>>>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
>>>>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>It's a big museum in London.
>>www.vam.ac.uk
>
> I knew what it was - just not what the Supremes connection was?
For some reason, they had an exhibition about them.
>>>>> Gossip,
>>>>
>>>>This is just a remix album. Even big acts have trouble charting those.
>>
>>...As Beck proved, back there.
>>
>>> Didn't know.
>>
>>Isn't the title a clue?
>
> I never read the titles, just the artist names.
This may be the problem then.
>>>>And the movie cast recording of Mamma Mia is out tomorrow, so if that's
>>>>allowed into the charts, it'll probably get there.
>>>
>>> I thought that charted *this* week?
>>
>>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the
>>movie
>>cast.
>
> Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
> recordings are still widely available.
I don't really get that either.
>>Also, it looks like the Jordin Sparks album is being promoted this week.
>>
> Which wouldn't be much use unless 'No Air' isn't on CB's album?
Which it isn't, but so what? They'd hardly abandon her entire career before
it had started.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> In the local HMV yesterday, physical copies of Basshunter seemed to be
>> more prominent than Dizzee's though.
>
>I forgot to look for Basshunter.
Accidentally, or deliberately? :)
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>Yes, but nobody ever listened to Scooter to be cool.
>>
>> But they do with DJ Ironik?
>
>Too soon to know, but he's not marked uncool like Scooter. What's your
>point?
That Scooter use sampled, speeded-up vocals so often, that they are
invariably associated with it now.
In any case, I don't personally regard Scooter as uncool.
>
>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>
>> To benefit (if they do), they'll need to come up with more new material
>> relatively quickly though.
>
>Presumably, although they might be able the sneak another hit or two from
>this album (an airplay hit if not a sales one).
I wouldn't exactly describe this one as an airplay hit, with just a #48
peak...
>
>>>>>> Re-entries T40 : Jay-Z (99P) #35,
>>>>
>>>> R1 censors got their scissors out, as usual.
>>>
>>>IIRC this is the original radio edit.
>>
>> Censorship is the one think on radio I hate more than rap, though. IMO you
>> should play records unedited, or not at all.
>
>But how do I know you don't only think that because you don't want them to
>play Jay-Z records again?
I'll plead the 5th Amendment on that comment...
>Anyway, this is Universal's edit, not the Beeb's.
I guess they figured they could at least do a neater job...
>>
>> Isn't it strange how some record companies are happy to post official
>> videos to Youtube, whereas others are absolutely anal about having them
>> remove from the site...
>
>I dunno about that - most of the record companies I can think of have their
>own YouTube setup now.
Perhaps they want only their *official* video to be on there - although
that still wouldn't make sense, as the promo effect will be the same
regardless of source.
>
>>>>>>Adele (HG) #74
>>
>> It's a matter of definition : it went #32 on 9/2/08, before dropping right
>> out of the T200 - then re-entered straight to #38 on 19/4 (swiftly
>> dropping out of the T200 *again*).
>
>That's a bit odd, isn't it? I suppose the first week was just pent-up
>demand, and the second was from that TV show.
I can't remember the circumstances now.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>G-Unit #39,
>>
>> They didn't even bother releasing a single.
>
>Well, not yet anyway. IIRC the previous G-Unit album wasn't preceded by a
>single either, and even 'In Da Club' was released *after* the album.
But that was 50 Cent's anyway, not theirs.
>
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>>>
>>>>>Might actually happen this week.
>>>>
>>>> IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
>>>
>>>Even though the other two are worse?
>>
>> I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
>
>You're still allowed to buy it, you know!
But I see no point in buying chart-ineligible singles, when I can get
them on an album which *will* benefit, chartwise.
>
>>>>>> Top 30 :
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kid Rock
>>>Wait, I've just checked their chart and it's at Number 11!
>>
>> It's slipped several places then?
>
>I don't know - maybe all the people who like Kid Rock had taken an early
>night?
BTW, it is currently #4 on iTunes.
>
>>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>>>>>
>>>>>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what to
>>>>>say
>>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>> It *is* T15 on airplay.
>>>
>I already knew it was a big radio hit.
But presumably didn't like it, therefore didn't expect it to do as well
as it has?
>>>
>>>The difference being though, that those acts have proved themselves to be
>>>popular in other formats.
>
>> <Cough>Weller, Morrissey<cough>
>
>In a way, that's almost my point. Weller and Moz have done pretty well at
>shifting physcal singles and they still aren't shifting many downloads. As
>Annie hasn't hitherto been very successful on physicals she'd presumably
>have to be significantly more popular on downloads in order to chart that
>way - which some people are of course, but we wouldn't yet know if she was
>one of them.
>Having said all that, according to 7digital the single has been available on
>download since the 27th of June.
But it's lacked radio airplay, and only a sustained chart run can
persuade reluctant radio stations to pick up a single they've previously
ignored.
For example, while Gabriella Cilmi did briefly reach #17 on her initial
airplay run, she swiftly dropped out of the T100. Only since she went
T10 on sales did her airplay pick up as high as #2, though.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>>
>>>Since then he released The Information, which wasn't eligible
>>>for the chart.
>>
>> Why not?
>
>Free stickers, so you could design your own cover.
IMO, I doubt whether something as insignificant as stickers would have
materially affected his chart position anyway.
He is a fanbase act, and therefore his core support would have bought
the album regardless - but it's hard to imagine anyone else buying the
album just because of the stickers... :)
>From what I've heard, he
>should have let you change the music as well.
Grin.
>
>>>>>>Supremes
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has been
>>>>>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
Though sales there obviously wouldn't count towards the chart!
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>>It's a big museum in London.
>>>www.vam.ac.uk
>>
>> I knew what it was - just not what the Supremes connection was?
>
>For some reason, they had an exhibition about them.
Maybe they misread their start date as 1859, rather than 1959? :)
>>>
>>>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the
>>>movie
>>>cast.
>>
>> Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
>> recordings are still widely available.
>
>I don't really get that either.
Though ABBA will obviously get a slice of the cake, either way.
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 at 22:11:57, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>> In the local HMV yesterday, physical copies of Basshunter seemed to be
>>> more prominent than Dizzee's though.
>>
>>I forgot to look for Basshunter.
>
> Accidentally, or deliberately? :)
Accidentally. Not that I like it or anything, but I wanted to know.
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but nobody ever listened to Scooter to be cool.
>>>
>>> But they do with DJ Ironik?
>>
>>Too soon to know, but he's not marked uncool like Scooter. What's your
>>point?
>
> That Scooter use sampled, speeded-up vocals so often, that they are
> invariably associated with it now.
Yes, but I still don't see how they came into the discussion.
> In any case, I don't personally regard Scooter as uncool.
I do, but not in a bad way.
>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>
>>> To benefit (if they do), they'll need to come up with more new material
>>> relatively quickly though.
>>
>>Presumably, although they might be able the sneak another hit or two from
>>this album (an airplay hit if not a sales one).
>
> I wouldn't exactly describe this one as an airplay hit, with just a #48
> peak...
Even though it was one of the 13 most-played tracks on Radio 1? ;-)
I see what you mean, but I just think they could have tracks that are
relatively well-publicised, even if they don't sell.
>>>
>>> Isn't it strange how some record companies are happy to post official
>>> videos to Youtube, whereas others are absolutely anal about having them
>>> remove from the site...
>>
>>I dunno about that - most of the record companies I can think of have
>>their
>>own YouTube setup now.
>
> Perhaps they want only their *official* video to be on there - although
> that still wouldn't make sense, as the promo effect will be the same
> regardless of source.
Well, I suppose there are cases where they do an exclusive deal with
somebody and they have to at least pay lip service to that.
>>>>>>>Adele (HG) #74
>>>
>>> It's a matter of definition : it went #32 on 9/2/08, before dropping
>>> right
>>> out of the T200 - then re-entered straight to #38 on 19/4 (swiftly
>>> dropping out of the T200 *again*).
>>
>>That's a bit odd, isn't it? I suppose the first week was just pent-up
>>demand, and the second was from that TV show.
>
> I can't remember the circumstances now.
I think it was probably Skins. That's usually the one that plugs new songs -
eg MGMT.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>>>G-Unit #39,
>>>
>>> They didn't even bother releasing a single.
>>
>>Well, not yet anyway. IIRC the previous G-Unit album wasn't preceded by a
>>single either, and even 'In Da Club' was released *after* the album.
>
> But that was 50 Cent's anyway, not theirs.
Well, yes, but since they presumably owe their career to him, and it
presumably would have been the same people handling it at the record
company.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Might actually happen this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO this is the best of the three so far - I may even buy the album.
>>>>
>>>>Even though the other two are worse?
>>>
>>> I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
>>
>>You're still allowed to buy it, you know!
>
> But I see no point in buying chart-ineligible singles, when I can get them
> on an album which *will* benefit, chartwise.
It is technically eligible, now.
>>>>>>> Top 30 :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kid Rock
>
>>>>Wait, I've just checked their chart and it's at Number 11!
>>>
>>> It's slipped several places then?
>>
>>I don't know - maybe all the people who like Kid Rock had taken an early
>>night?
>
> BTW, it is currently #4 on iTunes.
Still is now. They're listing the release date as 9th June - huh?
>>>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As this is doing better than I expected now, I don't really know what
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>say
>>>>>>here.
>>>>>
>>>>> It *is* T15 on airplay.
>>>>
>>I already knew it was a big radio hit.
>
> But presumably didn't like it, therefore didn't expect it to do as well as
> it has?
No, it just seemed like the sort of thing that would be a big radio hit and
potentially sell albums but not neccessarily sell very well in single form.
>>>>The difference being though, that those acts have proved themselves to
>>>>be
>>>>popular in other formats.
>>
>>> <Cough>Weller, Morrissey<cough>
>>
>>In a way, that's almost my point. Weller and Moz have done pretty well at
>>shifting physcal singles and they still aren't shifting many downloads. As
>>Annie hasn't hitherto been very successful on physicals she'd presumably
>>have to be significantly more popular on downloads in order to chart that
>>way - which some people are of course, but we wouldn't yet know if she was
>>one of them.
>
>>Having said all that, according to 7digital the single has been available
>>on
>>download since the 27th of June.
>
> But it's lacked radio airplay, and only a sustained chart run can persuade
> reluctant radio stations to pick up a single they've previously ignored.
Er, yeah, that's exactly what I meant.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> Top 20 NE : Beck,
>>>
>>>>Since then he released The Information, which wasn't eligible
>>>>for the chart.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>>Free stickers, so you could design your own cover.
>
> IMO, I doubt whether something as insignificant as stickers would have >
> materially affected his chart position anyway.
Agreed.
> He is a fanbase act, and therefore his core support would have bought the
> album regardless - but it's hard to imagine anyone else buying the album
> just because of the stickers... :)
Exactly. Rules are rules though.
Of course, there are some of us who buy only one or two Beck albums, but
that market probably wouldn't have bothered with that one.
>>>>>>>Supremes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can't quite work out whether this is a new release or not. It has
>>>>>>been
>>>>>>available in the V&A Museum shop for a while.
>
> Though sales there obviously wouldn't count towards the chart!
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>>It's a big museum in London.
>>>>www.vam.ac.uk
>>>
>>> I knew what it was - just not what the Supremes connection was?
>>
>>For some reason, they had an exhibition about them.
>
> Maybe they misread their start date as 1859, rather than 1959? :)
They're older than Kylie though.
>>>>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the
>>>>movie
>>>>cast.
>>>
>>> Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
>>> recordings are still widely available.
>>
>>I don't really get that either.
>
> Though ABBA will obviously get a slice of the cake, either way.
Benny and Bjorn will - I'm not so sure about the other two.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>
>>>Presumably, although they might be able the sneak another hit or two from
>>>this album (an airplay hit if not a sales one).
>>
>> I wouldn't exactly describe this one as an airplay hit, with just a #48
>> peak...
>
>Even though it was one of the 13 most-played tracks on Radio 1? ;-)
I'm surprised that a track played that often on R1 wasn't higher than
#48 on airplay - it implies that it got virtually no plays otherwise.
>I see what you mean, but I just think they could have tracks that are
>relatively well-publicised, even if they don't sell.
Which would be a problem, given that *selling* tracks is kind of the
whole point! :)
>>
>> Perhaps they want only their *official* video to be on there - although
>> that still wouldn't make sense, as the promo effect will be the same
>> regardless of source.
>
>Well, I suppose there are cases where they do an exclusive deal with
>somebody and they have to at least pay lip service to that.
I suppose.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>>
>>>> I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
>>>
>>>You're still allowed to buy it, you know!
>>
>> But I see no point in buying chart-ineligible singles, when I can get them
>> on an album which *will* benefit, chartwise.
>
>It is technically eligible, now.
Only the album track download - and if I'm gonna get the album anyway,
it seems a little pointless buying the individual track... :)
>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Kid Rock
>>
>> BTW, it is currently #4 on iTunes.
>
>Still is now. They're listing the release date as 9th June - huh?
Don't ask me. :)
>
>>>>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri,
>
>No, it just seemed like the sort of thing that would be a big radio hit and
>potentially sell albums but not neccessarily sell very well in single form.
The said album will be out next Monday.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>Beck
>>
>> IMO, I doubt whether something as insignificant as stickers would have >
>> materially affected his chart position anyway.
>
>Agreed.
>
>> He is a fanbase act, and therefore his core support would have bought the
>> album regardless - but it's hard to imagine anyone else buying the album
>> just because of the stickers... :)
>
>Exactly. Rules are rules though.
Of course, how much a record's sales are affected by 'free gifts' is
just speculation anyway. Unless the gifts have a significant value of
their own - say similar to the value of the album itself - I really
doubt they'll make any significant difference to sales. On that basis,
chart exclusion seems OTT.
>
>>>>>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the
>>>>>movie
>>>>>cast.
>>>>
>>>> Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
>>>> recordings are still widely available.
>>>
>>>I don't really get that either.
>>
>> Though ABBA will obviously get a slice of the cake, either way.
>
>Benny and Bjorn will - I'm not so sure about the other two.
Why wouldn't they?
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 at 22:40:29, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>>
>>>>Presumably, although they might be able the sneak another hit or two
>>>>from
>>>>this album (an airplay hit if not a sales one).
>>>
>>> I wouldn't exactly describe this one as an airplay hit, with just a #48
>>> peak...
>>
>>Even though it was one of the 13 most-played tracks on Radio 1? ;-)
>
> I'm surprised that a track played that often on R1 wasn't higher than #48
> on airplay - it implies that it got virtually no plays otherwise.
Er, yeah, that was what I was implying. It's not the most surprising thing
in the world.
>>I see what you mean, but I just think they could have tracks that are
>>relatively well-publicised, even if they don't sell.
>
> Which would be a problem, given that *selling* tracks is kind of the whole
> point! :)
I mean sell individually - they could still promote the album, although part
of the reason I think they might struggle to sell is that the album's so
cheap now.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> Top 10 : Ting Tings (SUALMG),
>>>>>
>>>>> I might have bought Great DJ too, if it had been chart-eligible.
>>>>
>>>>You're still allowed to buy it, you know!
>>>
>>> But I see no point in buying chart-ineligible singles, when I can get
>>> them
>>> on an album which *will* benefit, chartwise.
>>
>>It is technically eligible, now.
>
> Only the album track download - and if I'm gonna get the album anyway, it
> seems a little pointless buying the individual track... :)
I can understand that. But then that's nothing to do with the eligibility.
>>>>>>>>> Top 30 :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Kid Rock
>>>
>>> BTW, it is currently #4 on iTunes.
>>
>>Still is now. They're listing the release date as 9th June - huh?
>
> Don't ask me. :)
It's just that it would surely have charted sooner were it available.
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>
>>>>>>>>>Beck
>>>
>>> IMO, I doubt whether something as insignificant as stickers would have >
>>> materially affected his chart position anyway.
>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>> He is a fanbase act, and therefore his core support would have bought
>>> the
>>> album regardless - but it's hard to imagine anyone else buying the album
>>> just because of the stickers... :)
>>
>>Exactly. Rules are rules though.
>
> Of course, how much a record's sales are affected by 'free gifts' is just
> speculation anyway. Unless the gifts have a significant value of their
> own - say similar to the value of the album itself - I really doubt
> they'll make any significant difference to sales. On that basis, chart
> exclusion seems OTT.
Well, there has to be a limit somewhere. Even something that doesn't match
the monetary value of the album might do something to change people's minds.
All that said, they wouldn't have made much difference to this one.
>>>>>>Nope, that's the stage cast recording. There's now a recording of the
>>>>>>movie
>>>>>>cast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beats me why someone would buy either, when the original artists
>>>>> recordings are still widely available.
>>>>
>>>>I don't really get that either.
>>>
>>> Though ABBA will obviously get a slice of the cake, either way.
>>
>>Benny and Bjorn will - I'm not so sure about the other two.
>
> Why wouldn't they?
It was Benny and Bjorn who wrote the songs, possibly with a bloke called
Stig.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>
>>>relatively well-publicised, even if they don't sell.
>>
>> Which would be a problem, given that *selling* tracks is kind of the whole
>> point! :)
>
>I mean sell individually - they could still promote the album, although part
>of the reason I think they might struggle to sell is that the album's so
>cheap now.
Or the album is so cheap *because* the singles won't sell...
>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>> Of course, how much a record's sales are affected by 'free gifts' is just
>> speculation anyway. Unless the gifts have a significant value of their
>> own - say similar to the value of the album itself - I really doubt
>> they'll make any significant difference to sales. On that basis, chart
>> exclusion seems OTT.
>
>Well, there has to be a limit somewhere. Even something that doesn't match
>the monetary value of the album might do something to change people's minds.
>All that said, they wouldn't have made much difference to this one.
Since that rule has been around for a long while, it must have been a
real issue at *some* point - but now that physical sales (especially
singles) are on the endangered species list, I question the rule's
relevance now. After all, it's hard to give away a sticker or a poster
with a download! :)
>>>
>>>Benny and Bjorn will - I'm not so sure about the other two.
>>
>> Why wouldn't they?
>
>It was Benny and Bjorn who wrote the songs, possibly with a bloke called
>Stig.
So he's finally earned his out of the dump, then? :)
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 at 20:54:23, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>
>>>>I see what you mean, but I just think they could have tracks that are
>>>>relatively well-publicised, even if they don't sell.
>>>
>>> Which would be a problem, given that *selling* tracks is kind of the
>>> whole
>>> point! :)
>>
>>I mean sell individually - they could still promote the album, although
>>part
>>of the reason I think they might struggle to sell is that the album's so
>>cheap now.
>
> Or the album is so cheap *because* the singles won't sell...
You could argue that when the singles are selling is the time to discount
the album, because then people need to be encouraged to buy the longer disc.
[1]
I agree, though, that the label are obviously discounting this because it's
not an obvious massive seller.
>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>> Of course, how much a record's sales are affected by 'free gifts' is
>>> just
>>> speculation anyway. Unless the gifts have a significant value of their
>>> own - say similar to the value of the album itself - I really doubt
>>> they'll make any significant difference to sales. On that basis, chart
>>> exclusion seems OTT.
>>
>>Well, there has to be a limit somewhere. Even something that doesn't match
>>the monetary value of the album might do something to change people's
>>minds.
>>All that said, they wouldn't have made much difference to this one.
>
> Since that rule has been around for a long while, it must have been a real
> issue at *some* point - but now that physical sales (especially singles)
> are on the endangered species list, I question the rule's relevance now.
> After all, it's hard to give away a sticker or a poster with a download!
> :)
Oh yes, they used to give away all manner or ridiculous gimmicks with
singles (before I started buying them, alas).
In fact, the stickers rule has now been abolished for singles - I don't know
whether they bothered to change it for albums, though, since it's so rare
anyway.
>>>>Benny and Bjorn will - I'm not so sure about the other two.
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't they?
>>
>>It was Benny and Bjorn who wrote the songs, possibly with a bloke called
>>Stig.
>
> So he's finally earned his out of the dump, then? :)
If he's getting 33% of 'Dancing Queen' he must be!
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>
>
>You could argue that when the singles are selling is the time to discount
>the album, because then people need to be encouraged to buy the longer disc.
>[1]
>I agree, though, that the label are obviously discounting this because it's
>not an obvious massive seller.
One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops
take in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
companies, artists, etc., also get less?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>> Since that rule has been around for a long while, it must have been a real
>> issue at *some* point - but now that physical sales (especially singles)
>> are on the endangered species list, I question the rule's relevance now.
>> After all, it's hard to give away a sticker or a poster with a download!
>> :)
>
>Oh yes, they used to give away all manner or ridiculous gimmicks with
>singles (before I started buying them, alas).
>In fact, the stickers rule has now been abolished for singles - I don't know
>whether they bothered to change it for albums, though, since it's so rare
>anyway.
I just thought of something else in favour of physical formats : it's
hard to get an artist to autograph a download... :)
Paul Hyett
<vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>For example, while Gabriella Cilmi did briefly reach #17 on her initial
>airplay run, she swiftly dropped out of the T100. Only since she went
>T10 on sales did her airplay pick up as high as #2, though.
BTW, her new video is out now :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqyNRDDqAuc
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 at 19:59:06, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : MGMT #22,
>>>
>>> Or the album is so cheap *because* the singles won't sell...
>>
>>You could argue that when the singles are selling is the time to discount
>>the album, because then people need to be encouraged to buy the longer
>>disc.
>>[1]
>>I agree, though, that the label are obviously discounting this because
>>it's
>>not an obvious massive seller.
>
> One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops take
> in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
> companies, artists, etc., also get less?
Generally speaking, yes, unless one of those parties is choosing to take the
hit on its own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>> Since that rule has been around for a long while, it must have been a
>>> real
>>> issue at *some* point - but now that physical sales (especially singles)
>>> are on the endangered species list, I question the rule's relevance now.
>>> After all, it's hard to give away a sticker or a poster with a download!
>>> :)
>>
>>Oh yes, they used to give away all manner or ridiculous gimmicks with
>>singles (before I started buying them, alas).
>>In fact, the stickers rule has now been abolished for singles - I don't
>>know
>>whether they bothered to change it for albums, though, since it's so rare
>>anyway.
>
> I just thought of something else in favour of physical formats : it's hard
> to get an artist to autograph a download... :)
It's hard to get some of them to autograph anything, now they know it'll be
straight onto ebay.
Chris
Paul Hyett
<vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>Gabriella Cilmi
Not to mention this one too, for 'Don't Want To Go To Bed Now'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQ4ClSqX5E
Which will presumably be the 3rd single.
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>
>> One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops take
>> in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
>> companies, artists, etc., also get less?
>
>Generally speaking, yes, unless one of those parties is choosing to take the
>hit on its own.
There seems no benefit in it for most parties, then.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>
>> I just thought of something else in favour of physical formats : it's hard
>> to get an artist to autograph a download... :)
>
>It's hard to get some of them to autograph anything, now they know it'll be
>straight onto ebay.
That's a whole separate issue, though.
Regardless of this, it's not exactly possible to autograph a virtual
music file!
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 at 21:04:58, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops
>>> take
>>> in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
>>> companies, artists, etc., also get less?
>>
>>Generally speaking, yes, unless one of those parties is choosing to take
>>the
>>hit on its own.
>
> There seems no benefit in it for most parties, then.
In cases like this, the label will be hoping that there are people who'd buy
the MGMT album for £6 but wouldn't pay £11.99 or whatever for it, so they
can increase total sales or at the very least consolidate them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>> I just thought of something else in favour of physical formats : it's
>>> hard
>>> to get an artist to autograph a download... :)
>>
>>It's hard to get some of them to autograph anything, now they know it'll
>>be
>>straight onto ebay.
>
> That's a whole separate issue, though.
That is true, but it's vaguely relevant.
y
> Regardless of this, it's not exactly possible to autograph a virtual music
> file!
Not unless it's been burnt onto a CD, I guess. But there are plenty of other
things they could sign.
Personally, I've never asked a famous person to sign a record other than at
specially organised events in record shops. ISTM that the relatively small
number of people who'll want an autographed copy of any given release won't
save the record industry.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>> One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops
>>>> take
>>>> in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
>>>> companies, artists, etc., also get less?
>>>
>>>Generally speaking, yes, unless one of those parties is choosing to take
>>>the
>>>hit on its own.
>>
>> There seems no benefit in it for most parties, then.
>
>In cases like this, the label will be hoping that there are people who'd buy
>the MGMT album for £6 but wouldn't pay £11.99 or whatever for it, so they
>can increase total sales or at the very least consolidate them.
But increasing total sales at the cost of making a loss, doesn't seem
that beneficial to me, unless they're one of the very rare acts who
makes it big world-wide because of that.
MGMT just don't seem to have a wide enough appeal for that to happen
ATM.
>
>> Regardless of this, it's not exactly possible to autograph a virtual music
>> file!
>
>Not unless it's been burnt onto a CD, I guess. But there are plenty of other
>things they could sign.
>Personally, I've never asked a famous person to sign a record other than at
>specially organised events in record shops. ISTM that the relatively small
>number of people who'll want an autographed copy of any given release won't
>save the record industry.
If McFly think they'll avoid autograph-hunters by releasing their new
album via a newspaper, though...
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 at 22:56:37, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I've always wondered about cut-price albums : if the shops
>>>>> take
>>>>> in less money per copy, surely everyone else down the line - record
>>>>> companies, artists, etc., also get less?
>>>>
>>>>Generally speaking, yes, unless one of those parties is choosing to take
>>>>the
>>>>hit on its own.
>>>
>>> There seems no benefit in it for most parties, then.
>>
>>In cases like this, the label will be hoping that there are people who'd
>>buy
>>the MGMT album for £6 but wouldn't pay £11.99 or whatever for it, so they
>>can increase total sales or at the very least consolidate them.
>
> But increasing total sales at the cost of making a loss, doesn't seem that
> beneficial to me, unless they're one of the very rare acts who makes it
> big world-wide because of that.
You wouldn't want to overstate the cost though. Especially if multiple
parties are bearing it.
> MGMT just don't seem to have a wide enough appeal for that to happen ATM.
20 years ago, though?
>>> Regardless of this, it's not exactly possible to autograph a virtual
>>> music
>>> file!
>>
>>Not unless it's been burnt onto a CD, I guess. But there are plenty of
>>other
>>things they could sign.
>>Personally, I've never asked a famous person to sign a record other than
>>at
>>specially organised events in record shops. ISTM that the relatively small
>>number of people who'll want an autographed copy of any given release
>>won't
>>save the record industry.
>
> If McFly think they'll avoid autograph-hunters by releasing their new
> album via a newspaper, though...
Since they famously do big singing sessions for everything they release,
that hardly seems likely.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> But increasing total sales at the cost of making a loss, doesn't seem that
>> beneficial to me, unless they're one of the very rare acts who makes it
>> big world-wide because of that.
>
>You wouldn't want to overstate the cost though. Especially if multiple
>parties are bearing it.
But surely all parties would have to agree?
>
>> MGMT just don't seem to have a wide enough appeal for that to happen ATM.
>
>20 years ago, though?
Wouldn't they still have been in short trousers, then? :)