Chart Commentary 2/8/08
Paul Hyett
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A 4th #1 week for Dizzee Rascal
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Kid Rock #2 Ting Tings #6
Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #14, Ida Maria #18, Adele #19*
Top 30 : Usher #28, Script #30
Top 40 : Ultrabeat v Darren Styles #31
Re-entries T40 : *Adele (HG) #19, Miny Royale #35, SFG (HB) #37
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : DJ Q ft MC Bonez #50,
Melee #58, OCR (MM) #61, Natty #68, Hamfatter #71, Boys Like Girls #72,
Slipknot #74
Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47, Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG
(INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R) #70
Albums
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Extremely close at the top this week, with Coldplay just pipping Abba
New Entries/New Peaks
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Top 10 : Bachelors #7, Primal Scream #9
Top 20 : none
New outside the top 20 : CSS #32, Billy Idol #37
Re-entries : Sam Sparro #51, Usher #73, Take That #75
Next Week
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Singles
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It seems likely that Dizzee will be #1 for a 5th week.
Top 5 :
Top 10 : Saturdays
Top 20 :
Top 30 : Pendulum, Pigeon Detectives, Sam Sparro, Ultrabeat/Darren
Styles
Top 40 : Ava Leigh, Foo Fighters, Script, Natty
Any other possibilities?
The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
Albums
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Sales are so low now, that almost anything could be #1. :(
Probably Coldplay again, though.
Top 10 NE : Nine Inch Nails
Top 20 NE : Ida Maria, Kid Rock
Others : Alice Cooper, Hawkwind, Melee, Simian Mobile Disco
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> Singles
> -------
> A 4th #1 week for Dizzee Rascal
Iindeed so, and even if I'd had more time to draft this stuff I'd have
struggled to find anything original to say about it.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2
Dear oh dear. Another thing that annoys me about this track is that it
combines samples from a record I liked better and from a record I hate.
BTW, I see 'Sweet Home Alabama' has climbed again thanks to the name check
here; which is slightly ironic in a way, since it is itself an answer song.
>Ting Tings #6
Not gaining many places from physical release, but that's not surprising I
suppose.
> Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #14,
Possibly the best thing about this track is the guest vocal from Mercury
nominee Laura Marling. It's her second such appearance on a Top 40 hit this
year, even though she's yet to come close to one of her own.
>Ida Maria #18,
I've read descriptions of this track that make it sound quite good but I
can't really enjoy it when I hear it.
A reviewer on the HMV site says "They [sic] will be as big as the Ting Tings
are becoming."
>Adele #19*
A re-entry and a new peak.
One unfortunate thing that's happened to this track since the original
release is that we've all heard that awful OneRepublic song with the same
intro. I still think this is her best single though.
> Top 30 : Usher #28,
I was out during most of the countdown, so I still can't remember what this
sounds like. AIUI the remix played by R1 isn't on the physical single.
>Script #30
Out on CD tomorrow.
It seems to have gained a lot of downloads late in the week, for some
reason.
> Top 40 : Ultrabeat v Darren Styles #31
Also out on CD tomorrow, as I seem to say every week.
> Re-entries T40 : Miny Royale #35, SFG (HB) #37
Two of the more visible beneficiaries from the Now Effect.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : DJ Q ft MC Bonez >#50,
Also on Now 70 but possibly not all that popular after all.
> Melee #58,
Somebody said this sounded like a failed American attempt to clone Keane.
And I couldn't have put it better myself.
>OCR (MM) #61,
Hmmm
> Natty #68,
Out tomorrow on CD.
> Hamfatter #71,
Out on CD & 7" on the 11th. Compared to, say, Sugababes last week this
wouldn't seem to be much return on the big TV appearance.
> Boys Like Girls #72,
By-the-book emo that appears to have been available on download since March.
Presumably it's in a film or something.
> Slipknot #74
Already a re-entry to to Top 100.
> Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47,
AFAIK this still isn't meant to be next single, but maybe the fans are
trying to take this into their own hands.
> Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG (INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R) #70
Guess which popular compilation album features three of these four tracks!
> Albums
> ------
> Extremely close at the top this week, with Coldplay just pipping Abba
I've not seen figures yet but that's plausible.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Bachelors #7,
They were all married, you know.
I was going to make some crack about this being why Rock'N'Roll had to
happen, but then I checked the dates and realised it already had. They last
reached tha album chart in 1979 with another compilation, but haven't
troubled the singles listing since 1967.
On the radio this morning "they" were claiming the "credit" for Boyzone.
>Primal Scream #9
Aptly enough, their ninth studio album, and the seventh in a row to reach
the Top 10. For that very reason, though, it doesn't seem much of an
acheivement. Production comes from Paul Epworth (best known for his work
with Bloc Party and the Futureheads) and Bjorn Yttling (best known for his
work with Peter and John) whilst guest performers include Lovefoxx, Linda
Thompson and Josh Homme (again!). If only they had some decent songs they
might get somewhere.
> New outside the top 20 : CSS #32,
A second appearance for Lovefoxx of course. It's their second album too,
although it's been criticised in some quarters for sounding too
conventional.
> Billy Idol #37
Another compilation, for the people who missed Vital Idol, Idol Songs,
Greatest Hits... anyone would think he was being lazy. No, there's nothing
from his Christmas album but there are a couple of new songs and a DVD which
apparently includes an uncensored video for 'Hot In The City' if you want to
see that.
> Re-entries : Sam Sparro #51,
It seems unlikely that this relates to the new single, so I'll assume a
special offer somewhere.
>Usher #73, Take That #75
Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> It seems likely that Dizzee will be #1 for a 5th week.
Unless Kid Rock is extremely close, that'd be the sensible guess.
It's unlikely to make a massive difference but Dizzee's Glastonbury
performance is out as a download today.
> Top 5 :
Er, why have this category if there's nothing in it.
> Top 10 : Saturdays
I suppose so.
> Top 30 : Pendulum, Pigeon Detectives,
Probably about all they can hope for, since they haven't shifted many
downloads.
>Sam Sparro,
Possibly even more than he can hope for, since he hasn't sold downloads
either and isn't exactly a well-established act. I haven't even heard this.
>Ultrabeat/Darren Styles
I'd tend to agree - the days are gone when dance records climbed a logn way
on physical release.
> Top 40 : Ava Leigh,
I have no idea how this is going to do really.
> Foo Fighters,
This is literally the first I've heard of a new single from them. What's the
title?
>Script,
You think it's going to fall?
>Natty
Probably, although he is some way off on downloads and it looks like it's
only a one-track CD.
> Any other possibilities?
Not really. I presume Noah & The Whale will climb some more though.
> The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
Which I'm pretty sure they're not, but I am as ever open to correction.
> Albums
> ------
> Sales are so low now, that almost anything could be #1. :(
I'm sure there's a contradiction there somewhere.
> Probably Coldplay again, though.
Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there isn't
really the right sort of something.
> Top 10 NE : Nine Inch Nails
It may not be his biggest seller, now there's no record company. But it
shouldn't be that difficult in a quiet week.
> Top 20 NE : Ida Maria,
Eminently possible off the back of the single.
> Kid Rock
As above, but more so. Presumably the label have been holding back stock.
> Others : Alice Cooper,
Somewhere.
>Hawkwind,
It really might actually come out this week. But they haven't gone Top 75 in
15 years.
> Melee,
They'll probably just about scape it, although I bet the single was expected
to be bigger.
> Simian Mobile Disco
I don't really think they're big enough to sell remix albums.
Soulfly will probably manage it though (with a new album I mean, not a remix
one).
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> A 4th #1 week for Dizzee Rascal
>
>Iindeed so, and even if I'd had more time to draft this stuff I'd have
>struggled to find anything original to say about it.
I couldn't find anything *good* to say about it, but that hasn't changed
in 4 weeks... :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2
>
>Dear oh dear.
Well, it was virtually certain to climb, since McFly were always going
to plummet (down to #21)! :)
>Another thing that annoys me about this track is that it
>combines samples from a record I liked better and from a record I hate.
I thought it *only* sampled SHA?
>BTW, I see 'Sweet Home Alabama' has climbed again thanks to the name check
>here; which is slightly ironic in a way, since it is itself an answer song.
Just 4 off the T40, itself.
>
>>Ting Tings #6
>
>Not gaining many places from physical release, but that's not surprising I
>suppose.
It's the album that benefits, which was no doubt the plan anyway.
>
>> Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #14,
>
>Possibly the best thing about this track is the guest vocal from Mercury
>nominee Laura Marling.
Or from my POV, that I *don't* regularly have to hear it on the radio...
:)
>
>>Ida Maria #18,
>
>I've read descriptions of this track that make it sound quite good but I
>can't really enjoy it when I hear it.
Nor me.
>
>>Adele #19*
>
>A re-entry and a new peak.
Yes.
>One unfortunate thing that's happened to this track since the original
>release is that we've all heard that awful OneRepublic song with the same
>intro. I still think this is her best single though.
None have appealed to me at all.
>
>> Top 30 : Usher #28,
>
>I was out during most of the countdown, so I still can't remember what this
>sounds like. AIUI the remix played by R1 isn't on the physical single.
This position is on full release, so it will surely be one of his
smallest hits for quite a while.
>
>>Script #30
>
>Out on CD tomorrow.
>It seems to have gained a lot of downloads late in the week, for some
>reason.
Very late - didn't even appear on the Friday mids!
Currently #3 on iTunes, incredibly. Also, out this week on physicals.
>
>> Re-entries T40 : Miny Royale #35, SFG (HB) #37
>
>Two of the more visible beneficiaries from the Now Effect.
Ms Cilmi's 5 place climb back to #7 is surely more significant?
Not to mention the 410 place climb to #21 on airplay, for her new single
'Save The Lies'. :)
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : DJ Q ft MC Bonez >#50,
>
>Also on Now 70 but possibly not all that popular after all.
Wonder what happened to 'B-Kay & Kazz' - was T30 on Thurs mids?
>
>> Melee #58,
>
>Somebody said this sounded like a failed American attempt to clone Keane.
>And I couldn't have put it better myself.
I'd rather listen to Dolly the sheep. :)
>
>> Natty #68,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD.
Like anyone cares. :)
>
>> Hamfatter #71,
>
>Out on CD & 7" on the 11th. Compared to, say, Sugababes last week this
>wouldn't seem to be much return on the big TV appearance.
What TV appearance?
>
>> Slipknot #74
>
>Already a re-entry to to Top 100.
But new to the T75.
>
>> Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47,
>
>AFAIK this still isn't meant to be next single,
Can't see why it'd re-enter this high, if not?
>but maybe the fans are
>trying to take this into their own hands.
I guess that happens quite a lot where a hottie like Rihanna is
concerned... :)
>
>> Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG (INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R) #70
>
>Guess which popular compilation album features three of these four tracks!
Doesn't explain the 4th, though...
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Extremely close at the top this week, with Coldplay just pipping Abba
>
>I've not seen figures yet but that's plausible.
Well, on the Thursday mids, there were only 120 sales separating the
T3...
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Bachelors #7,
>
>On the radio this morning "they" were claiming the "credit" for Boyzone.
You'd think that's something they'd want to keep quiet about... :)
>
>>Primal Scream #9
>
>Aptly enough, their ninth studio album, and the seventh in a row to reach
>the Top 10.
How many have been released at a higher-sales time of year, though?
>For that very reason, though, it doesn't seem much of an
>acheivement.
>guest performers include Lovefoxx, Linda
>Thompson and Josh Homme (again!).
Who? * 3
>
>> New outside the top 20 : CSS #32,
>
>A second appearance for Lovefoxx of course. It's their second album too,
>although it's been criticised in some quarters for sounding too
>conventional.
i.e. crap?
>
>> Billy Idol #37
>
>Another compilation, for the people who missed Vital Idol, Idol Songs,
>Greatest Hits... anyone would think he was being lazy. No, there's nothing
>from his Christmas album but there are a couple of new songs and a DVD which
>apparently includes an uncensored video for 'Hot In The City' if you want to
>see that.
White Wedding is the only song of his I can remember.
>
>> Re-entries : Sam Sparro #51,
>
>It seems unlikely that this relates to the new single, so I'll assume a
>special offer somewhere.
A 'we'll pay you £10 to take this off our hands' offer, then? :)
>
>>Usher #73, Take That #75
>
>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> It seems likely that Dizzee will be #1 for a 5th week.
>
>Unless Kid Rock is extremely close, that'd be the sensible guess.
>It's unlikely to make a massive difference but Dizzee's Glastonbury
>performance is out as a download today.
Then maybe I should finally buy Kid Rock's track...
>
>> Top 5 :
>
>Er, why have this category if there's nothing in it.
Because its on my template?
>
>> Top 10 : Saturdays
>
>I suppose so.
I didn't think so, but there seems to be a bit of a buzz about it.
>
>> Top 40 : Ava Leigh,
>
>I have no idea how this is going to do really.
She did the TV rounds last week, though.
>
>> Foo Fighters,
>
>This is literally the first I've heard of a new single from them. What's the
>title?
I think its called 'Another bloody error in the new release schedule' :)
Listed last week there as 'Let It Die'
>
>>Script,
>
>You think it's going to fall?
Wishful thinking... :)
Seriously though, I didn't check my predictions against this week's
actual positions.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Not really. I presume Noah & The Whale will climb some more though.
I hope you're wrong, there.
>
>> The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
>
>Which I'm pretty sure they're not, but I am as ever open to correction.
It seems to have been pushed back from the 4th to the 11th, which
explains why.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>
>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there isn't
>really the right sort of something.
Or indeed *anything*.
>
>> Top 10 NE : Nine Inch Nails
>
>It may not be his biggest seller, now there's no record company. But it
>shouldn't be that difficult in a quiet week.
You mean stone dead week, don't you?
>
>> Top 20 NE :
>
>> Kid Rock
>
>As above, but more so. Presumably the label have been holding back stock.
It could go T10, but it's very unpredictable how such albums will sell
off the back of one popular single.
>
>> Melee,
>
>They'll probably just about scape it
Sacrificed like goats, you mean? :)
Jan Buxton
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 at 00:53:28, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Thompson and Josh Homme (again!).
>
> Who? * 3
Lovefoxxx - sexy lead singer of indie-electro outfit CSS. Apparently
disappointing second album out this week after bloody good first one.
Linda Thompson - pretty much folk royalty, former wife of Richard Thompson.
Josh Homme - Queens of the Stone Age frontman, one of the leading lights
of rock in general, and something of a workaholic as he usually has his
finger in many pies.
--
Jan
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Paul Hyett
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Thanks.
Fred X
<vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote:
> Singles
> -------
> A 4th #1 week for Dizzee Rascal
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2 Ting Tings #6
> Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #14, Ida Maria #18,
Adele #19*
Oh, the irony! :)
Fred X
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 at 00:53:28, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> A 4th #1 week for Dizzee Rascal
>>
>>Iindeed so, and even if I'd had more time to draft this stuff I'd have
>>struggled to find anything original to say about it.
>
> I couldn't find anything *good* to say about it, but that hasn't changed
> in 4 weeks... :)
How about - 75% of the time you can't hear Calvin Harris.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2
>>
>>Dear oh dear.
>
> Well, it was virtually certain to climb, since McFly were always going to
> plummet (down to #21)! :)
Well yes but he could (theoretically) have fallen as well.
>>Another thing that annoys me about this track is that it
>>combines samples from a record I liked better and from a record I hate.
>
> I thought it *only* sampled SHA?
Nope, there's a similarly large amount of 'Werewolves Of London' in there.
That hasn't had the same slipstream effect though, presumably because he
doesn't namecheck it in the lyric.
>>BTW, I see 'Sweet Home Alabama' has climbed again thanks to the name check
>>here; which is slightly ironic in a way, since it is itself an answer
>>song.
>
> Just 4 off the T40, itself.
At least this time there's a reason for it to be a hit.
>>> Top 20 : Noah & The Whale #14,
>>
>>Possibly the best thing about this track is the guest vocal from Mercury
>>nominee Laura Marling.
>
> Or from my POV, that I *don't* regularly have to hear it on the radio...
> :)
Grr.
>>>Ida Maria #18,
>>
>>I've read descriptions of this track that make it sound quite good but I
>>can't really enjoy it when I hear it.
>
> Nor me.
Perhaps in a few years time we'll remember it more fondly.
>>>Adele #19*
>>
>>A re-entry and a new peak.
>
> Yes.
Full marks to Fred X for spotting how apt this position is.
>>One unfortunate thing that's happened to this track since the original
>>release is that we've all heard that awful OneRepublic song with the same
>>intro. I still think this is her best single though.
>
> None have appealed to me at all.
I like it more now than I did the first time.
>>> Top 30 : Usher #28,
>>
>>I was out during most of the countdown, so I still can't remember what
>>this
>>sounds like. AIUI the remix played by R1 isn't on the physical single.
>
> This position is on full release, so it will surely be one of his smallest
> hits for quite a while.
Barring something entirely implausible, that would appear to be the case.
By my count it's ten years since he missed the Top 20.
>>>Script #30
>>
>>Out on CD tomorrow.
>>It seems to have gained a lot of downloads late in the week, for some
>>reason.
>
> Very late - didn't even appear on the Friday mids!
I wonder if it was released late in the week?
FWIW, it's only just reached 7digital.
> Currently #3 on iTunes, incredibly.
Not necessarily that unbelievable to those of us with radios. Well, not in
every way...
> Also, out this week on physicals.
Thought I'd said that.
>>> Re-entries T40 : Miny Royale #35, SFG (HB) #37
>>
>>Two of the more visible beneficiaries from the Now Effect.
>
> Ms Cilmi's 5 place climb back to #7 is surely more significant?
It probably is more *significant* but I'd say those above two are more
visible because they returned to the T40 rather than just rebounding within
it. And in particular 'Sweet About Me' has yo-yoed so much that it's barely
even noticeable that it does so again.
> Not to mention the 410 place climb to #21 on airplay, for her new single
> 'Save The Lies'. :)
But on past form that won't sell it until it's in an advert.
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : DJ Q ft MC Bonez
>>> >#50,
>>
>>Also on Now 70 but possibly not all that popular after all.
>
> Wonder what happened to 'B-Kay & Kazz' - was T30 on Thurs mids?
I'd guess (but no more than guess) that it was ruled out somehow. See you in
the other thread.
>>> Melee #58,
>>
>>Somebody said this sounded like a failed American attempt to clone Keane.
>>And I couldn't have put it better myself.
>
> I'd rather listen to Dolly the sheep. :)
At least she wouldn't rip off Deacon Blue.
>>> Natty #68,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD.
>
> Like anyone cares. :)
The record company probably do. He seems like a fairly high priority for
them.
>>> Hamfatter #71,
>>
>>Out on CD & 7" on the 11th. Compared to, say, Sugababes last week this
>>wouldn't seem to be much return on the big TV appearance.
>
> What TV appearance?
They were on Dragon's Den and Peter Jones (the person, not the shop)
invested 75k in them.
>>> Slipknot #74
>>
>>Already a re-entry to to Top 100.
>
> But new to the T75.
Oh yes, I'm not disputing that. I just couldn't think of anything else to
say about it.
>>> Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47,
>>
>>AFAIK this still isn't meant to be next single,
>
> Can't see why it'd re-enter this high, if not?
Well, there may be a video or something for all I know. But AFAIK the next
scheduled single is still 'Rehab'.
>>but maybe the fans are
>>trying to take this into their own hands.
>
> I guess that happens quite a lot where a hottie like Rihanna is
> concerned... :)
And after I phrased that so carefully too!
>>> Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG (INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R) #70
>>
>>Guess which popular compilation album features three of these four tracks!
>
> Doesn't explain the 4th, though...
Indeed not. As you may have guessed, the fourth one is 'It's Not About You'
which is about to be reissued.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Extremely close at the top this week, with Coldplay just pipping Abba
>>
>>I've not seen figures yet but that's plausible.
>
> Well, on the Thursday mids, there were only 120 sales separating the T3...
Yes, the figures I've seen now are pretty darn close.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Bachelors #7,
>>
>>On the radio this morning "they" were claiming the "credit" for Boyzone.
>
> You'd think that's something they'd want to keep quiet about... :)
Hence the inverted commas. Although some people might suggest it's better
than anything else they did.
They are obviously a precedent to Boyzone but I don't think they were
exactly unprecedented themselves.
>>>Primal Scream #9
>>
>>Aptly enough, their ninth studio album, and the seventh in a row to reach
>>the Top 10.
>
> How many have been released at a higher-sales time of year, though?
It's hard to tell in retrospect, but they only did one in January. According
to my book:
Screamadelica: September 1991
Give Out, But Don't Give Up: April 1994
Vanishing Point: July 1997
Xtrmnr: January 2000
Evil Heat: August 2002
Riot City Blues: June 2006
>>For that very reason, though, it doesn't seem much of an
>>acheivement.
>
>>guest performers include Lovefoxx, Linda
>>Thompson and Josh Homme (again!).
>
> Who? * 3
Jan's done this already - but Josh Homme seems to be guesting on at least
one album every week. I sort of assumed you knew.
>>> New outside the top 20 : CSS #32,
>>
>>A second appearance for Lovefoxx of course.
See?
>It's their second album too,
>>although it's been criticised in some quarters for sounding too
>>conventional.
>
> i.e. crap?
Well, they don't mean it as a compliment.
But I think the complaint from some people is that it's not as unusual as
the first one. I can't really judge that myself.
>>> Billy Idol #37
>>
>>Another compilation, for the people who missed Vital Idol, Idol Songs,
>>Greatest Hits... anyone would think he was being lazy. No, there's nothing
>>from his Christmas album but there are a couple of new songs and a DVD
>>which
>>apparently includes an uncensored video for 'Hot In The City' if you want
>>to
>>see that.
>
> White Wedding is the only song of his I can remember.
After a bit of thought, I recalled a worryingly large number of them: that
one obviously and the aforementioned 'Hot In The City' [though I guess I can
only have seen the censored version of the video!] plus 'Rebel Yell', 'Eyes
Without A Face', 'Sweet Sixteen'... and 'Mony Mony' if that counts. Plus I
heard 'Cradle Of Love' in a shop the other day.
>>>Usher #73, Take That #75
>>
>>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
>
> Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
Even though they're 20 years old? ;-)
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> It seems likely that Dizzee will be #1 for a 5th week.
>>
>>Unless Kid Rock is extremely close, that'd be the sensible guess.
>>It's unlikely to make a massive difference but Dizzee's Glastonbury
>>performance is out as a download today.
>
> Then maybe I should finally buy Kid Rock's track...
You could. Or you could buy a bucket of cold vomit and stick your head in
it...
>>> Top 5 :
>>
>>Er, why have this category if there's nothing in it.
>
> Because its on my template?
But you could leave it out.
>>> Top 10 : Saturdays
>>
>>I suppose so.
>
> I didn't think so, but there seems to be a bit of a buzz about it.
R1 have been playing it. Which presumably means they're expecting some sort
of pop revival, because I can't imagine they really think it's good.
>>> Top 40 : Ava Leigh,
>>
>>I have no idea how this is going to do really.
>
> She did the TV rounds last week, though.
So she does have some publicity outside the R2 orbit, I suppose. I wonder
whether the film will do well enough to help it.
>>> Foo Fighters,
>>
>>This is literally the first I've heard of a new single from them. What's
>>the
>>title?
>
> I think its called 'Another bloody error in the new release schedule' :)
Well, it presumably wasn't made up out of thin air.
> Listed last week there as 'Let It Die'
Which is a track on the current album, so that may have been planned at some
point, although you'd think they'd have done it nearer the time of the tour.
New material would presumably have been given more of a fanfare.
>>>Script,
>>
>>You think it's going to fall?
>
> Wishful thinking... :)
Tell me about it.
> Seriously though, I didn't check my predictions against this week's actual
> positions.
Why not?
>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>Not really. I presume Noah & The Whale will climb some more though.
>
> I hope you're wrong, there.
Well, in some ways so do I. But it's the way things tend to go.
>>> The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
>>
>>Which I'm pretty sure they're not, but I am as ever open to correction.
>
> It seems to have been pushed back from the 4th to the 11th, which explains
> why.
Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>>
>>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there isn't
>>really the right sort of something.
>
> Or indeed *anything*.
Actually, seeing how close Abba were...
>>> Top 10 NE : Nine Inch Nails
>>
>>It may not be his biggest seller, now there's no record company. But it
>>shouldn't be that difficult in a quiet week.
>
> You mean stone dead week, don't you?
I'm sure that's his favourite sort!
>>> Melee,
>>
>>They'll probably just about scape it
>
> Sacrificed like goats, you mean? :)
Except that they'd deserve it.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2
>>>
>>>Dear oh dear.
>>
>> Well, it was virtually certain to climb, since McFly were always going to
>> plummet (down to #21)! :)
>
>Well yes but he could (theoretically) have fallen as well.
That's a somewhat weak argument though, as in theory, *anything* might
happen...
>
>>>Another thing that annoys me about this track is that it
>>>combines samples from a record I liked better and from a record I hate.
>>
>> I thought it *only* sampled SHA?
>
>Nope, there's a similarly large amount of 'Werewolves Of London' in there.
Never heard of it.
>
>>>One unfortunate thing that's happened to this track since the original
>>>release is that we've all heard that awful OneRepublic song with the same
>>>intro. I still think this is her best single though.
>>
>> None have appealed to me at all.
>
>I like it more now than I did the first time.
Which is not necessarily saying much...
>
>>>>Script #30
>>>
>>>Out on CD tomorrow.
>>>It seems to have gained a lot of downloads late in the week, for some
>>>reason.
>>
>> Very late - didn't even appear on the Friday mids!
>
>I wonder if it was released late in the week?
>FWIW, it's only just reached 7digital.
>
>> Currently #3 on iTunes, incredibly.
>
>Not necessarily that unbelievable to those of us with radios. Well, not in
>every way...
But the previous single didn't derive anything like the same benefit
from T10 airplay.
Also, given the physical release, it's bound to suffer from
front-loading to *some* degree.
>
>> Not to mention the 410 place climb to #21 on airplay, for her new single
>> 'Save The Lies'. :)
>
>But on past form that won't sell it until it's in an advert.
Not comparable, because music fans now know who she is.
>
>
>>>> Natty #68,
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CD.
>>
>> Like anyone cares. :)
>
>The record company probably do. He seems like a fairly high priority for
>them.
Soon to be ex-high-priority, I suspect. :)
>
>>>> Hamfatter #71,
>>>
>>>Out on CD & 7" on the 11th. Compared to, say, Sugababes last week this
>>>wouldn't seem to be much return on the big TV appearance.
>>
>> What TV appearance?
>
>They were on Dragon's Den
I don't know what that is?
> and Peter Jones (the person, not the shop)
>invested 75k in them.
He should have spent it on repeatedly downloading their song... :)
>
>>>> Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47,
>>>
>>>AFAIK this still isn't meant to be next single,
>>
>> Can't see why it'd re-enter this high, if not?
>
>Well, there may be a video or something for all I know.
There is, though I've only seen it via Youtube so far.
>But AFAIK the next
>scheduled single is still 'Rehab'.
Supposedly out in just 2 weeks time, but as it's had too little airplay
to even reach the T100, very unlikely to be released then (if ever).
>
>>>but maybe the fans are
>>>trying to take this into their own hands.
>>
>> I guess that happens quite a lot where a hottie like Rihanna is
>> concerned... :)
>
>And after I phrased that so carefully too!
Not carefully enough. :)
>
>>>> Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG (INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R) #70
>>>
>>>Guess which popular compilation album features three of these four tracks!
>>
>> Doesn't explain the 4th, though...
>
>Indeed not. As you may have guessed, the fourth one is 'It's Not About You'
>which is about to be reissued.
I'd noticed it climbing, but didn't know why. I think album sales will
doom the re-release though, it's been in the T30 continuously since
January.
T20 at best for INAY, I'd say - but only briefly, and it got no mention
in the mids...
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>guest performers include Lovefoxx, Linda
>>>Thompson and Josh Homme (again!).
>>
>> Who? * 3
>
>Jan's done this already - but Josh Homme seems to be guesting on at least
>one album every week. I sort of assumed you knew.
Except for the very biggest bands (or hot pop babes) :), I'm not good
with individual band members names.
>
>>>>Usher #73, Take That #75
>>>
>>>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
>>
>> Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
>
>Even though they're 20 years old? ;-)
The albums turned up at #76, 77 & 79 - Boy, War & October respectively.
Probably just over 2k each.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>maybe I should finally buy Kid Rock's track...
>
>You could. Or you could buy a bucket of cold vomit and stick your head in
>it...
Given your opinion of the single, I'm guessing you'd have such an item
for sale? :)
You'd better use that bucket again, though - I just downloaded it, along
with Ting Tings GDJ & SUALMG.
>
>>>> Top 5 :
>>>
>>>Er, why have this category if there's nothing in it.
>>
>> Because its on my template?
>
>But you could leave it out.
But then I'd forget to add it back next week.
>
>> Seriously though, I didn't check my predictions against this week's actual
>> positions.
>
>Why not?
It was too hot for me to take the usual care.
>
>>>> The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
>>>
>>>Which I'm pretty sure they're not, but I am as ever open to correction.
>>
>> It seems to have been pushed back from the 4th to the 11th, which explains
>> why.
>
>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
having had little precedent.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>>>
>>>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there isn't
>>>really the right sort of something.
>>
>> Or indeed *anything*.
>
>Actually, seeing how close Abba were...
Well back now though, per the first mids.
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 at 21:52:20, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Kid Rock #2
>>>>
>>>>Dear oh dear.
>>>
>>> Well, it was virtually certain to climb, since McFly were always going
>>> to
>>> plummet (down to #21)! :)
>>
>>Well yes but he could (theoretically) have fallen as well.
>
> That's a somewhat weak argument though, as in theory, *anything* might
> happen...
I didn't say it was strong.
>>>>Another thing that annoys me about this track is that it
>>>>combines samples from a record I liked better and from a record I hate.
>>>
>>> I thought it *only* sampled SHA?
>>
>>Nope, there's a similarly large amount of 'Werewolves Of London' in there.
>
> Never heard of it.
It was never a sales hit in the UK, although it's become a bit of an airplay
favourite. It's famous enough that the Chinese restaurant mentioned in the
first line has a big sign in the window.
Anyway, it was a Top 30 hit in the USA.
>>>>One unfortunate thing that's happened to this track since the original
>>>>release is that we've all heard that awful OneRepublic song with the
>>>>same
>>>>intro. I still think this is her best single though.
>>>
>>> None have appealed to me at all.
>>
>>I like it more now than I did the first time.
>
> Which is not necessarily saying much...
I guess not, but I do sort of understand it more - the fact that it's now
summer might have helped too.
>>>>>Script #30
>>>>
>>>>Out on CD tomorrow.
>>>>It seems to have gained a lot of downloads late in the week, for some
>>>>reason.
>>>
>>> Very late - didn't even appear on the Friday mids!
>>
>>I wonder if it was released late in the week?
>>FWIW, it's only just reached 7digital.
>>
>>> Currently #3 on iTunes, incredibly.
>>
>>Not necessarily that unbelievable to those of us with radios. Well, not in
>>every way...
>
> But the previous single didn't derive anything like the same benefit from
> T10 airplay.
It didn't do terribly either - and it's not unpredictable that a follow-up
single might do better at least initially, particularly as this is the lead
single from the album.
> Also, given the physical release, it's bound to suffer from front-loading
> to *some* degree.
Er, what? The physical single is supposed to front-load the download?
>>> Not to mention the 410 place climb to #21 on airplay, for her new single
>>> 'Save The Lies'. :)
>>
>>But on past form that won't sell it until it's in an advert.
>
> Not comparable, because music fans now know who she is.
Do they though? Or do they just know that song?
I wasn't making a completely serious point.
>>>>> Hamfatter #71,
>>>>
>>>>Out on CD & 7" on the 11th. Compared to, say, Sugababes last week this
>>>>wouldn't seem to be much return on the big TV appearance.
>>>
>>> What TV appearance?
>>
>>They were on Dragon's Den
>
> I don't know what that is?
And you admit that to the TV group?
It's a sort of reality show where entrepreneurs ask rich people for money:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/
>> and Peter Jones (the person, not the shop)
>>invested 75k in them.
>
> He should have spent it on repeatedly downloading their song... :)
At least he'd have got a bit of it back that way.
To be fair, the official release isn't for a few more days.
>>>>> Re-entries : Rihanna (Dis) #47,
>>>>
>>>>AFAIK this still isn't meant to be next single,
>>>
>>> Can't see why it'd re-enter this high, if not?
>>
>>Well, there may be a video or something for all I know.
>
> There is, though I've only seen it via Youtube so far.
That could still work, though.
>>But AFAIK the next
>>scheduled single is still 'Rehab'.
>
> Supposedly out in just 2 weeks time, but as it's had too little airplay to
> even reach the T100, very unlikely to be released then (if ever).
If the label have any sense, they'll have thrown their weight behind this
one. Although it still seems like about the 450th single from the album.
>>>>> Leona Lewis (BIT) #55, GA (CSF) #59, SFG (INAY) #67, Hoosiers (C&R)
>>>>> #70
>>>>
>>>>Guess which popular compilation album features three of these four
>>>>tracks!
>>>
>>> Doesn't explain the 4th, though...
>>
>>Indeed not. As you may have guessed, the fourth one is 'It's Not About
>>You'
>>which is about to be reissued.
>
> I'd noticed it climbing, but didn't know why. I think album sales will
> doom the re-release though, it's been in the T30 continuously since
> January.
Although it hasn't had that effect on their others, obviously.
> T20 at best for INAY, I'd say - but only briefly, and it got no mention in
> the mids...
Well, most of their others have taken a while to peak.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>guest performers include Lovefoxx, Linda
>>>>Thompson and Josh Homme (again!).
>>>
>>> Who? * 3
>>
>>Jan's done this already - but Josh Homme seems to be guesting on at least
>>one album every week. I sort of assumed you knew.
>
> Except for the very biggest bands (or hot pop babes) :), I'm not good with
> individual band members names.
Mind you, I think he may be the only permanent member of QotSA now.
>>>>>Usher #73, Take That #75
>>>>
>>>>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
>>>
>>> Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
>>
>>Even though they're 20 years old? ;-)
>
> The albums turned up at #76, 77 & 79 - Boy, War & October respectively.
I saw that. Interesting that War finally gained a little ground.
> Probably just over 2k each.
1967
1956
1944 according to Buzzjack.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> Top 5 :
>>>>
>>>>Er, why have this category if there's nothing in it.
>>>
>>> Because its on my template?
>>
>>But you could leave it out.
>
> But then I'd forget to add it back next week.
You could paste the whole thing in and delete it, maybe.
>>> Seriously though, I didn't check my predictions against this week's
>>> actual
>>> positions.
>>
>>Why not?
>
> It was too hot for me to take the usual care.
Oh tell me about it.
Not quite as bad as the last time I was moving furniture.
>>>>> The Verve may go T20 or even T10, if they're out to download
>>>>
>>>>Which I'm pretty sure they're not, but I am as ever open to correction.
>>>
>>> It seems to have been pushed back from the 4th to the 11th, which
>>> explains
>>> why.
>>
>>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
>
> There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
> having had little precedent.
True, although 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' must have shifted a good few in that
format by now.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>>>>
>>>>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there
>>>>isn't
>>>>really the right sort of something.
>>>
>>> Or indeed *anything*.
>>
>>Actually, seeing how close Abba were...
>
> Well back now though, per the first mids.
I suppose people are getting over it.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>
>> But the previous single didn't derive anything like the same benefit from
>> T10 airplay.
>
>It didn't do terribly either - and it's not unpredictable that a follow-up
>single might do better at least initially, particularly as this is the lead
>single from the album.
Now I'm confused - surely that was 'We Cry'?
>
>> Also, given the physical release, it's bound to suffer from front-loading
>> to *some* degree.
>
>Er, what? The physical single is supposed to front-load the download?
No, but it'll produce sales more slanted to the beginning of the week
than the download alone would.
>
>>>>>> Hamfatter #71,
>>>
>>>They were on Dragon's Den
>>
>> I don't know what that is?
>
>And you admit that to the TV group?
I only really watch documentaries, sitcoms & the music channels.
>It's a sort of reality show where entrepreneurs ask rich people for money:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/
OK.
>
>>>>>>SFG (INAY) #67
>>>
>>>Indeed not. As you may have guessed, the fourth one is 'It's Not About
>>>You'
>>>which is about to be reissued.
>>
>> I'd noticed it climbing, but didn't know why. I think album sales will
>> doom the re-release though, it's been in the T30 continuously since
>> January.
>
>Although it hasn't had that effect on their others, obviously.
But the album had sold rather few at that point...
>
>> T20 at best for INAY, I'd say - but only briefly, and it got no mention in
>> the mids...
>
>Well, most of their others have taken a while to peak.
But early songs from albums have a far greater potential for generating
download sales than later ones.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
>>>>
>>>> Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
>>>
>>>Even though they're 20 years old? ;-)
>>
>> The albums turned up at #76, 77 & 79 - Boy, War & October respectively.
>
>I saw that. Interesting that War finally gained a little ground.
>
>> Probably just over 2k each.
>
>1967
>1956
>1944 according to Buzzjack.
Well, that was a pretty close guess!
Awful sales though - albums around that position should be selling
3-3.5k.
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
>>
>> There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
>> having had little precedent.
>
>True, although 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' must have shifted a good few in that
>format by now.
But that is an already-proven-popular single.
While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant component
of that, so longevity may be an issue.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there
>>>>>isn't
>>>>>really the right sort of something.
>>>>
>>>> Or indeed *anything*.
>>>
>>>Actually, seeing how close Abba were...
>>
>> Well back now though, per the first mids.
>
>I suppose people are getting over it.
Well, given the album has already sold 3m+...
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 at 23:41:36, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>Script
>>>
>>> But the previous single didn't derive anything like the same benefit
>>> from
>>> T10 airplay.
>>
>>It didn't do terribly either - and it's not unpredictable that a follow-up
>>single might do better at least initially, particularly as this is the
>>lead
>>single from the album.
>
> Now I'm confused - surely that was 'We Cry'?
I mean lead single as in the one released closest to the album - and
therefore one released at the time of the most intense promo. Well, in
theory anyway.
>>> Also, given the physical release, it's bound to suffer from
>>> front-loading
>>> to *some* degree.
>>
>>Er, what? The physical single is supposed to front-load the download?
>
> No, but it'll produce sales more slanted to the beginning of the week than
> the download alone would.
That's true - but won't affect the iTunes chart itself.
Apparently this was Top 10 on physicals at the start of the week, which
probably says more about how low sales are nowadays then the popularity of
The Script on this format.
>>>>>>> Hamfatter #71,
>>>>
>>>>They were on Dragon's Den
>>>
>>> I don't know what that is?
>>
>>And you admit that to the TV group?
>
> I only really watch documentaries, sitcoms & the music channels.
I never said I'd watched it. I did see the Christmas special last year.
>>It's a sort of reality show where entrepreneurs ask rich people for money:
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/
>
> OK.
It's probably worth noting that these people are investing their own money
here - and as they're already successful businesspeople that should mean
that they know what they're doing. But then you could say the same about Guy
Hands.
>>>>>>>SFG (INAY) #67
>>>>
>>>>Indeed not. As you may have guessed, the fourth one is 'It's Not About
>>>>You'
>>>>which is about to be reissued.
>>>
>>> I'd noticed it climbing, but didn't know why. I think album sales will
>>> doom the re-release though, it's been in the T30 continuously since
>>> January.
>>
>>Although it hasn't had that effect on their others, obviously.
>
> But the album had sold rather few at that point...
At which point? They all seem to have done pretty well, even as the album
has continued to sell - 'Heartbeat' is still Top 40 now.
>>> T20 at best for INAY, I'd say - but only briefly, and it got no mention
>>> in
>>> the mids...
>>
>>Well, most of their others have taken a while to peak.
>
> But early songs from albums have a far greater potential for generating
> download sales than later ones.
You'd think so, although of course that didn't apply the first time this
track was released.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which seem to have pushed the U2 albums out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, their sales were always going to be very front-loaded.
>>>>
>>>>Even though they're 20 years old? ;-)
>>>
>>> The albums turned up at #76, 77 & 79 - Boy, War & October respectively.
>>
>>I saw that. Interesting that War finally gained a little ground.
>>
>>> Probably just over 2k each.
>>
>>1967
>>1956
>>1944 according to Buzzjack.
>
> Well, that was a pretty close guess!
>
> Awful sales though - albums around that position should be selling 3-3.5k.
Not an inspiring era, though.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
>>>
>>> There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
>>> having had little precedent.
>>
>>True, although 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' must have shifted a good few in
>>that
>>format by now.
>
> But that is an already-proven-popular single.
Of course. It just seems like the best info we have to go on at the moment.
Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
> While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
> well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant component
> of that, so longevity may be an issue.
If it does prove to be the case that it's a fan purchase then the format
itself won't be the crucial point, but I see what you mean. However, we
can't assume that it'll be a fan-only purchase. They are offering three
formats for £3 on their website though.
Of course, it's complicated by the fact that the shape of their career meant
they only had three Top 20 hits, though 'Sonnet' could surely have been a
fourth, and they'd presumably have been able to keep having them for a while
had they stayed together. Mind you, even their 1995 fanbase would probably
be enough for a Top 10 at today's sales levels...
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> Probably Coldplay again, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep - it's the sort of week where something could sneak in but there
>>>>>>isn't
>>>>>>really the right sort of something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or indeed *anything*.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, seeing how close Abba were...
>>>
>>> Well back now though, per the first mids.
>>
>>I suppose people are getting over it.
>
> Well, given the album has already sold 3m+...
Some sources even say it's over 4m.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>Script
>
>therefore one released at the time of the most intense promo. Well, in
>theory anyway.
Fair enough.
For some strange reason, I thought their album had already been released
- but I see it's due a week Monday.
Given the modest competition, it must be a significant #1 candidate.
>>>>>Dragon's Den
>
>It's probably worth noting that these people are investing their own money
>here - and as they're already successful businesspeople that should mean
>that they know what they're doing.
<Cough>Gerald Ratner<cough>
>
>>>>>>>>SFG
>
>At which point? They all seem to have done pretty well, even as the album
>has continued to sell - 'Heartbeat' is still Top 40 now.
But Heartbeat is their *one* decent track, IMO.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last minute.
>>>>
>>>> There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
>>>> having had little precedent.
>>>
>>>True, although 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' must have shifted a good few in
>>>that
>>>format by now.
>>
>> But that is an already-proven-popular single.
>
>Of course. It just seems like the best info we have to go on at the moment.
>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
>
>> While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
>> well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant component
>> of that, so longevity may be an issue.
>
>If it does prove to be the case that it's a fan purchase then the format
>itself won't be the crucial point, but I see what you mean. However, we
>can't assume that it'll be a fan-only purchase. They are offering three
>formats for £3 on their website though.
But would sales via there count towards the chart?
>Of course, it's complicated by the fact that the shape of their career meant
>they only had three Top 20 hits, though 'Sonnet' could surely have been a
>fourth, and they'd presumably have been able to keep having them for a while
>had they stayed together. Mind you, even their 1995 fanbase would probably
>be enough for a Top 10 at today's sales levels...
The main issue though, is whether 'Love Is Noise' will appeal to anyone
outside their established fanbase. If not, its chart run is likely to be
brief.
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 at 19:11:41, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>Script
>>
>>I mean lead single as in the one released closest to the album - and
>>therefore one released at the time of the most intense promo. Well, in
>>theory anyway.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> For some strange reason, I thought their album had already been released -
> but I see it's due a week Monday.
And presumably you were therefore thinking it had failed to chart? That
makes more sense now.
> Given the modest competition, it must be a significant #1 candidate.
I suppose so - I'll check later.
>>>>>>Dragon's Den
>>
>>It's probably worth noting that these people are investing their own money
>>here - and as they're already successful businesspeople that should mean
>>that they know what they're doing.
>
> <Cough>Gerald Ratner<cough>
That's sort of the point I was making.
>>>>>>>>>SFG
>>
>>At which point? They all seem to have done pretty well, even as the album
>>has continued to sell - 'Heartbeat' is still Top 40 now.
>
> But Heartbeat is their *one* decent track, IMO.
I'm sure I've said this before - but I don't really understand how anybody
can have a preference for one of their songs over the others.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Last I heard, it wasn't being released on download till the last
>>>>>>minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> There also the question of how well they'll even sell in that format,
>>>>> having had little precedent.
>>>>
>>>>True, although 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' must have shifted a good few in
>>>>that
>>>>format by now.
>>>
>>> But that is an already-proven-popular single.
>>
>>Of course. It just seems like the best info we have to go on at the
>>moment.
>>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
>
> 'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
Makes sense.
>>> While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
>>> well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant component
>>> of that, so longevity may be an issue.
>>
>>If it does prove to be the case that it's a fan purchase then the format
>>itself won't be the crucial point, but I see what you mean. However, we
>>can't assume that it'll be a fan-only purchase. They are offering three
>>formats for £3 on their website though.
>
> But would sales via there count towards the chart?
Of course - they'd hardly be doing it otherwise.
>>Of course, it's complicated by the fact that the shape of their career
>>meant
>>they only had three Top 20 hits, though 'Sonnet' could surely have been a
>>fourth, and they'd presumably have been able to keep having them for a
>>while
>>had they stayed together. Mind you, even their 1995 fanbase would probably
>>be enough for a Top 10 at today's sales levels...
>
> The main issue though, is whether 'Love Is Noise' will appeal to anyone >
> outside their established fanbase. If not, its chart run is likely to be
> brief.
Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems to
be doing alright at radio. It seems like some of the fans aren't actually
quite as keen, but they're probably going to buy it anyway.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>Script
>>
>> but I see it's due a week Monday.
>
>And presumably you were therefore thinking it had failed to chart?
No - I was assuming that it had, but it made so little impression that
I'd forgotten it. :)
>
Re : The Verve
>>>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
>>
>> 'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
>
>Makes sense.
The former perhaps, but why the latter?
>
>>>> While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
>>>> well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant component
>>>> of that, so longevity may be an issue.
>>>
>>>If it does prove to be the case that it's a fan purchase then the format
>>>itself won't be the crucial point, but I see what you mean. However, we
>>>can't assume that it'll be a fan-only purchase. They are offering three
>>>formats for £3 on their website though.
>>
>> But would sales via there count towards the chart?
>
>Of course - they'd hardly be doing it otherwise.
Does that mean that most official artist websites are registered with
the OCC for chart inclusion?
>>
>> The main issue though, is whether 'Love Is Noise' will appeal to anyone >
>> outside their established fanbase. If not, its chart run is likely to be
>> brief.
>
>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems to
>be doing alright at radio.
Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 at 12:38:02, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>>Script
>>>
>>> For some strange reason, I thought their album had already been
>>> released -
>>> but I see it's due a week Monday.
>>
>>And presumably you were therefore thinking it had failed to chart?
>
> No - I was assuming that it had, but it made so little impression that I'd
> forgotten it. :)
OK, slightly less sense then.
> Re : The Verve
>
>>>>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
>>>
>>> 'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
>>
>>Makes sense.
>
> The former perhaps, but why the latter?
Because it was a big hit too. In fact, judging by airplay and things I
suspect it's actually become more popular than 'Drugs Don't Work' deservedly
or otherwise.
>>>>> While their fanbase will presumably ensure 'Love Is Noise' will chart
>>>>> well, I suspect that physical sales will be a very significant
>>>>> component
>>>>> of that, so longevity may be an issue.
>>>>
>>>>If it does prove to be the case that it's a fan purchase then the format
>>>>itself won't be the crucial point, but I see what you mean. However, we
>>>>can't assume that it'll be a fan-only purchase. They are offering three
>>>>formats for £3 on their website though.
>>>
>>> But would sales via there count towards the chart?
>>
>>Of course - they'd hardly be doing it otherwise.
>
> Does that mean that most official artist websites are registered with the
> OCC for chart inclusion?
No - mostly they work with third parties who are registered (Trinity Street
in this case):
http://thevervestore.trinitystreetdirect.com/store/page3.asp?sup_type=1&t=1&sub_type=3
>>> The main issue though, is whether 'Love Is Noise' will appeal to anyone
>>> >
>>> outside their established fanbase. If not, its chart run is likely to be
>>> brief.
>>
>>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems to
>>be doing alright at radio.
>
> Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
Indeed not, but if it were being ignored by radio that'd increase the
likelihood of it failing to cross over.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>> Re : The Verve
>>
>>>>>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
>>>>
>>>> 'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
>>>
>>>Makes sense.
>>
>> The former perhaps, but why the latter?
>
>Because it was a big hit too. In fact, judging by airplay and things I
>suspect it's actually become more popular than 'Drugs Don't Work' deservedly
>or otherwise.
I have to defer to you on this, since their peak success fell entirely
during my 'off' period.
The only two of their songs I've heard are 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' &
'The Drugs Don't Work', and even then I don't even remember what the
latter sounds like!
>>
>> Does that mean that most official artist websites are registered with the
>> OCC for chart inclusion?
>
>No - mostly they work with third parties who are registered
Didn't realise that.
>>>
>>>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems to
>>>be doing alright at radio.
>>
>> Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
>
>Indeed not, but if it were being ignored by radio that'd increase the
>likelihood of it failing to cross over.
Rightly or wrongly, in my mind they are associated with 90's Britpop, a
genre which has never appealed to me.
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 at 23:15:25, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>> Re : The Verve
>>>
>>>>>>Have any of their other hits tickled the 200 since 2007?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Drugs Don't Work' and 'Lucky Man' have both charted briefly.
>>>>
>>>>Makes sense.
>>>
>>> The former perhaps, but why the latter?
>>
>>Because it was a big hit too. In fact, judging by airplay and things I
>>suspect it's actually become more popular than 'Drugs Don't Work'
>>deservedly
>>or otherwise.
>
> I have to defer to you on this, since their peak success fell entirely
> during my 'off' period.
I was talking more about airply in recent years than at the time.
Of course you don't need me to tell you that 'The Drugs' was a bigger chart
hit at the time, but you'd need to account for the fact that it was released
before the album - and as it turned out, the day after Diana died.
> The only two of their songs I've heard are 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' & 'The
> Drugs Don't Work', and even then I don't even remember what the latter
> sounds like!
Not exactly a laugh riot, hence the above comment. At the time I thought it
was brilliant, although it hasn't aged quite as well as I thought it would.
>>> Does that mean that most official artist websites are registered with
>>> the
>>> OCC for chart inclusion?
>>
>>No - mostly they work with third parties who are registered
>
> Didn't realise that.
Years ago they tended to work through Amazon, but nowadays there seem to be
a lot of rivals who can offer more branded "solutions".
>>>>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems
>>>>to
>>>>be doing alright at radio.
>>>
>>> Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
>>
>>Indeed not, but if it were being ignored by radio that'd increase the
>>likelihood of it failing to cross over.
>
> Rightly or wrongly, in my mind they are associated with 90's Britpop, a
> genre which has never appealed to me.
I suspect Richard Ashcroft would be quite insulted. Which seems like reason
enough to say it!
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>I was talking more about airply in recent years than at the time.
>Of course you don't need me to tell you that 'The Drugs' was a bigger chart
>hit at the time, but you'd need to account for the fact that it was released
>before the album - and as it turned out, the day after Diana died.
Which was presumably what kept it to only 1 week at the top?
>
>>>>>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It seems
>>>>>to
>>>>>be doing alright at radio.
>>>>
>>>> Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
>>
>> Rightly or wrongly, in my mind they are associated with 90's Britpop, a
>> genre which has never appealed to me.
>
>I suspect Richard Ashcroft would be quite insulted. Which seems like reason
>enough to say it!
Grin.
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 at 18:23:59, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>I was talking more about airply in recent years than at the time.
>>Of course you don't need me to tell you that 'The Drugs' was a bigger
>>chart
>>hit at the time, but you'd need to account for the fact that it was
>>released
>>before the album - and as it turned out, the day after Diana died.
>
> Which was presumably what kept it to only 1 week at the top?
In the sense that it couldn't possibly have managed a second week once the
Elton John record arrived, yes - but in practice it slipped to Number 3
anyway (behind, er, 'You Have Been Loved' by George Michael).
What I was really implying was the opposite: although it was widely expected
to top the chart anyway, the gloomy mood of the time possibly helped to seal
the deal.
>>>>>>Agreed - but like I said I don't think we can assume it won't. It
>>>>>>seems
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>be doing alright at radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which, to be fair, doesn't guarantee anything.
>>>
>>> Rightly or wrongly, in my mind they are associated with 90's Britpop, a
>>> genre which has never appealed to me.
>>
>>I suspect Richard Ashcroft would be quite insulted. Which seems like
>>reason
>>enough to say it!
>
> Grin.
I say that as somebody who liked The Verve - but Ashcroft can be quite
annoying.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>Of course you don't need me to tell you that 'The Drugs' was a bigger
>>>chart
>>>hit at the time, but you'd need to account for the fact that it was
>>>released
>>>before the album - and as it turned out, the day after Diana died.
>>
>> Which was presumably what kept it to only 1 week at the top?
>
>In the sense that it couldn't possibly have managed a second week once the
>Elton John record arrived, yes - but in practice it slipped to Number 3
>anyway (behind, er, 'You Have Been Loved' by George Michael).
I assume that was *before* GM's infamous 'indiscretion'... :)
>What I was really implying was the opposite: although it was widely expected
>to top the chart anyway, the gloomy mood of the time possibly helped to seal
>the deal.
Surely that would be more a case of : the *brakes* don't work...
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 at 19:13:16, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>Of course you don't need me to tell you that 'The Drugs' was a bigger
>>>>chart
>>>>hit at the time, but you'd need to account for the fact that it was
>>>>released
>>>>before the album - and as it turned out, the day after Diana died.
>>>
>>> Which was presumably what kept it to only 1 week at the top?
>>
>>In the sense that it couldn't possibly have managed a second week once the
>>Elton John record arrived, yes - but in practice it slipped to Number 3
>>anyway (behind, er, 'You Have Been Loved' by George Michael).
>
> I assume that was *before* GM's infamous 'indiscretion'... :)
I think so, yes, although I'm not quite in the mood to Google it.
The next single he released after the incident also entered at Number 2
though - 'Outside'.
>>What I was really implying was the opposite: although it was widely
>>expected
>>to top the chart anyway, the gloomy mood of the time possibly helped to
>>seal
>>the deal.
>
> Surely that would be more a case of : the *brakes* don't work...
Yeah, but if they'd had that ready to release, people might have got
suspicious.
Seriously, as you might recall most radio stations imposed fairly sweeping
limits on what could be played in the few days after she died, so any song
that referred explicitly to death, or crashes or whatever would surely have
been stymied by that. What was wanted was something mournful but not
specific in lyrical content.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>In the sense that it couldn't possibly have managed a second week once the
>>>Elton John record arrived, yes - but in practice it slipped to Number 3
>>>anyway (behind, er, 'You Have Been Loved' by George Michael).
>>
>> I assume that was *before* GM's infamous 'indiscretion'... :)
>
>I think so, yes, although I'm not quite in the mood to Google it.
>The next single he released after the incident also entered at Number 2
>though - 'Outside'.
As in 'outside the closet'? :)
>
>>>What I was really implying was the opposite: although it was widely
>>>expected
>>>to top the chart anyway, the gloomy mood of the time possibly helped to
>>>seal
>>>the deal.
>>
>> Surely that would be more a case of : the *brakes* don't work...
>
>Yeah, but if they'd had that ready to release, people might have got
>suspicious.
There are plenty of people out there who still think that, anyway...
>
>Seriously, as you might recall most radio stations imposed fairly sweeping
>limits on what could be played in the few days after she died, so any song
>that referred explicitly to death, or crashes or whatever would surely have
>been stymied by that.
Actually, then, as now, I rarely listened to radio - though I do
remember exactly the same thing happening with TV.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 at 21:15:24, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>In the sense that it couldn't possibly have managed a second week once
>>>>the
>>>>Elton John record arrived, yes - but in practice it slipped to Number 3
>>>>anyway (behind, er, 'You Have Been Loved' by George Michael).
>>>
>>> I assume that was *before* GM's infamous 'indiscretion'... :)
>>
>>I think so, yes, although I'm not quite in the mood to Google it.
>>The next single he released after the incident also entered at Number 2
>>though - 'Outside'.
>
> As in 'outside the closet'? :)
More as in "having it off outdoors" - but yes the song and video do allude
to the incident (to his credit, he seems to have realised that it would be
on everyone's mind anyway).
>>>>What I was really implying was the opposite: although it was widely
>>>>expected
>>>>to top the chart anyway, the gloomy mood of the time possibly helped to
>>>>seal
>>>>the deal.
>>>
>>> Surely that would be more a case of : the *brakes* don't work...
>>
>>Yeah, but if they'd had that ready to release, people might have got
>>suspicious.
>
> There are plenty of people out there who still think that, anyway...
Really? There are people who think Richard Ashcroft killed Diana??
>>Seriously, as you might recall most radio stations imposed fairly sweeping
>>limits on what could be played in the few days after she died, so any song
>>that referred explicitly to death, or crashes or whatever would surely
>>have
>>been stymied by that.
>
> Actually, then, as now, I rarely listened to radio - though I do remember
> exactly the same thing happening with TV.
It's the only Sunday I can remember when they didn't broadcast the Top 40,
although they did drop a couple of tracks when the Queen Mother died.
Chris
Mike Plowman
<extreme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It's the only Sunday I can remember when they didn't broadcast the Top 40,
>although they did drop a couple of tracks when the Queen Mother died.
>
> Chris
>
Dr Feelgood's 'Milk and Alcohol' and Exhorder's 'Incontinence'? :-)
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>> Surely that would be more a case of : the *brakes* don't work...
>>>
>>>Yeah, but if they'd had that ready to release, people might have got
>>>suspicious.
>>
>> There are plenty of people out there who still think that, anyway...
>
>Really? There are people who think Richard Ashcroft killed Diana??
Grin.