Chart Commentary 16/8/08
Paul Hyett
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Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from
#1 after just one week.
New Entries/New Peaks
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Top 10 : Verve #5, Noah & The Whale #7, Rihanna #9
Top 20 : Ida Maria #15
Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23, Cascada #28
Top 40 : Spoon, Harris & Obernik #34
Re-entries T40 : Nickelback (Rockstar) #27, SFG (INAY) #38
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Taio Cruz #44, Pigeon
Detectives ((EWM) #51, Bob Sinclar #52, Florence & The Machine #58,
Alphabeat #70, Tinchy Stryder #73
Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64, OCR (HH) #69, Baz Luhrmann (EFTWS) #72,
Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
Albums
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Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album) just
ahead of Duffy.
New Entries/New Peaks
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Top 10 : none
Top 20 : none
New outside the top 20 : Natty #21, Conor Oberst #37, Randy Newman #46
Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48, Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks
#63, Take That (BW) #69, Shayne Ward #72, Seth Lakeman #73
Next Week
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Singles
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Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her
2nd week at #1.
Top 5 : Verve (T3)
Top 10 : Bloc Party
Top 20 : Nelly ft A&A, Spoon Harris & Obernik
Top 30 : Automatic, Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
Top 40 : Hamfatter, Jack Johnson, Fratellis, Solange Knowles
Any other possibilities?
Albums
------
The Script should easily claim the #1 spot, especially given the low
overall sales levels at this time of year.
Top 10 NE : none
Top 20 NE : Noah & The Whale
Others : Fightstar, Jane McDonald
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> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from #1
> after just one week.
It didn't quite manage to be the Duffy to his Nickelback, but it's up there
now, and presumably settled in for a lengthy run.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Verve #5,
Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>Noah & The Whale #7,
I don't know why, but I can't believe in this guy's voice.
Also, the record ends too late. Well, obviously it does because as it's a
track I don't like I want to be over as soon as possible - but specifically
there's an obvious punchline that would be a natural end, and yet they keep
milking it.
> Rihanna #9
It looks a little bit like Universal have started to throw their promotional
weight behind this track.
Still, a 25-place climb is remarkable. I haven't heard this enough to make
any musical comment yet.
> Top 20 : Ida Maria #15
A conversation in this household reached the conclusion that this is what it
would sound like if Abba had writtten songs for Courtney Love.
> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>Cascada #28
Now obviously this is a cover version. But it's not even an original choice
of cover; German DJ Jan Wayne did a similar version in 2002, and indeed
managed to go Top 20 with it, but the charts were different in those days.
10,000 Maniacs also had their biggest US single (and a rare UK chart entry)
with an Unplugged version.
> Top 40 : Spoon, Harris & Obernik #34
Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
> Re-entries T40 : Nickelback (Rockstar) #27,
Available on iTunes again, or possibly at a lower price - reports seem to
vary.
> SFG (INAY) #38
Re-released for no obvious reason and - so far at least - charting lower
than it did first time around. Bit of a waste of time, that.
Mind you, on past form it'll probably be Top 5 at Christmas.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Taio Cruz #44,
Out on CD on the 18th.
> Pigeon Detectives ((EWM) #51,
I know this was out on physicals last week, so I've no idea.
Still, a Number 51 isn't a great way to follow a Top 20 hit.
>Bob Sinclar #52,
Told you he'd worn out the formula.
>Florence & The Machine #58,
Available on 7" and download for two months, so if it's charting now I
presume it's in an advert or something. Her real surname is Welch.
> Alphabeat #70,
Out on CD on the 25th.
>Tinchy Stryder #73
Climbing a massive one place thanks to CD release.
> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
Becoming a regular visitor these days.
>OCR (HH) #69,
I hadn't even noticed this dropping out to be honest.
No sign of Abba's original, though?
>Baz Luhrmann (EFTWS) #72,
As opposed to his many other hits!
I know Jo Whiley played this on Changing Tracks but that seems to come
around about every three weeks. Presumably something else happened.
> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
Is that all?
> Albums
> ------
> Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album) just >
> ahead of Duffy.
The release of the 'Viva La Vida' album hasn't helped Coldplay's album. At
least, not enough.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
>
> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the slow-burning
hit the label must be hoping for, it's the debut album from the reggae-lite
singer who, oddly, also engineered the first Razorlight album.
>Conor Oberst #37,
Apparently the fourth album he's released under his own name, but evidently
the first to chart. Presumably this reflects the success he's had recording
as Bright Eyes.
>Randy Newman #46
First all-new material from the veteran singer-songwriter and somewhat
unblievably his first ever UK Top 75 album in a forty-year career!
Apparently it finds him on fairly typical form, so will presumably delight
fans and annoy non-fans.
> Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48,
Presumably on special offer somewhere.
The original TV advert for this was subject to a complaint to the
Advertising Standards Authority.
>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
Also probably on offer somewhere.
>Take That (BW) #69,
Perhaps it's just my imagination, but this now seems to be T75 in alternate
weeks.
> Shayne Ward #72,
Must be really cheap.
>Seth Lakeman #73
Can't have been far off last week.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her 2nd
> week at #1.
Agreed.
> Top 5 : Verve (T3)
Yes - it'll be like 1997 all over again. Possibly.
> Top 10 : Bloc Party
I think so, but not guaranteed.
> Top 20 : Nelly ft A&A,
I wonder if this has a shot at Top 10?
>Spoon Harris & Obernik
Yup.
> Top 30 : Automatic,
On downloads?
> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
That'd be quite a leap from wherever it is now, especially without physical
sales. But stranger things have happened, I guess.
> Top 40 : Hamfatter,
Similar comments apply as to the Cilmi record.
> Jack Johnson,
If he couldn't get into the Top 40 with a pre-album single and major radio
hit in January, what's going to chart for him now?
>Fratellis,
Are you sure you're not reading next week's (or the week after's, I should
say) releases?
> Solange Knowles
Not that it says "Knowles" on the cover, AFAIK.
This hasn't exactly stormed the chart as a download either.
> Any other possibilities?
Go:Audio had a Top 40 last time without anyone really seeming to know who
they are. And I still don't know who they are now, so I'm not going to bet
against them.
Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
> Albums
> ------
> The Script should easily claim the #1 spot, especially given the low
> overall sales levels at this time of year.
But I don't know if you can rule out Abba again.
> Top 20 NE : Noah & The Whale
I think this may go higher. At least for a while.
> Others : Fightstar,
It *must* be a quiet week.
>Jane McDonald
I'm sure this will indeed chart. I'm less sure of where.
In this sort of week I wouldn't be amazed to see the Levellers creep in.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from #1
>> after just one week.
>
>It didn't quite manage to be the Duffy to his Nickelback, but it's up there
>now, and presumably settled in for a lengthy run.
Looks that way, especially as there's still 3 weeks until the CD is due.
I would guess that, in that respect, it has hit the top earlier than any
previous download-only #1?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at
least one must be ineligible.
>
>>Noah & The Whale #7,
>
>I don't know why, but I can't believe in this guy's voice.
>Also, the record ends too late.
Over 3 minutes late? :)
>but specifically
>there's an obvious punchline that would be a natural end, and yet they keep
>milking it.
The same could be said about Ida Maria's single.
>
>> Rihanna #9
>
>It looks a little bit like Universal have started to throw their promotional
>weight behind this track.
They finally realised they backed the wrong horse as the 2nd single from
the deluxe version of Good Girl Gone Bad.
>Still, a 25-place climb is remarkable. I haven't heard this enough to make
>any musical comment yet.
Surely it's now the 2nd highest download-only single, (behind Coldplay's
Viva La Vida) too?
>
>> Top 20 : Ida Maria #15
>
>A conversation in this household reached the conclusion that this is what it
>would sound like if Abba had writtten songs for Courtney Love.
I don't know what to make of *that*!
>
>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
Your standard 'nothing to say' comment. :)
>
>>Cascada #28
>
>Now obviously this is a cover version. But it's not even an original choice
>of cover; German DJ Jan Wayne did a similar version in 2002, and indeed
>managed to go Top 20 with it, but the charts were different in those days.
>10,000 Maniacs also had their biggest US single (and a rare UK chart entry)
>with an Unplugged version.
Done rather better then the 2nd single from 'Perfect Day' though.
>
>> Top 40 : Spoon, Harris & Obernik #34
>
>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
And again... :)
>
>> Re-entries T40 : Nickelback (Rockstar) #27,
>
>Available on iTunes again, or possibly at a lower price - reports seem to
>vary.
Fearne & Reggie seemed to have no idea - though that's not too unusual.
:)
Currently #17 on iTunes, so you may be stuck with it for another week or
two yet...
>
>> SFG (INAY) #38
>
>Re-released for no obvious reason and - so far at least - charting lower
>than it did first time around. Bit of a waste of time, that.
>Mind you, on past form it'll probably be Top 5 at Christmas.
Wishful thinking, surely? :)
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Taio Cruz #44,
>
>Out on CD on the 18th.
I hope it's one of those that races from the starting blocks, only to
quickly stumble.
>
>> Pigeon Detectives ((EWM) #51,
>
>I know this was out on physicals last week, so I've no idea.
>Still, a Number 51 isn't a great way to follow a Top 20 hit.
Ten they should have released a better song...
>
>>Bob Sinclar #52,
>
>Told you he'd worn out the formula.
He'd done that 2.5 years ago, surely?
>
>>Florence & The Machine #58,
>
>Available on 7" and download for two months, so if it's charting now I
>presume it's in an advert or something. Her real surname is Welch.
Haven't heard it.
>
>> Alphabeat #70,
>
>Out on CD on the 25th.
If someone doesn't strangle them first...
>
>>Tinchy Stryder #73
>
>Climbing a massive one place thanks to CD release.
The term 'saturated market' comes to mind.
>
>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>
>Becoming a regular visitor these days.
But for more obvious reasons, this time.
>
>>OCR (HH) #69,
>
>I hadn't even noticed this dropping out to be honest.
>No sign of Abba's original, though?
Was #150 last week.
>
>>Baz Luhrmann (EFTWS) #72,
>
>As opposed to his many other hits!
I've never understood the appeal of this, let alone why it keeps
reappearing like an unwanted relative.
>
>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>
>Is that all?
Can it make it to 100?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album) just >
>> ahead of Duffy.
>
>The release of the 'Viva La Vida' album hasn't helped Coldplay's album.
Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
> At
>least, not enough.
Fearne seemed to be wetting herself over Abba being #1... :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>>
>> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
>
>Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the slow-burning
>hit the label must be hoping for
Unless its a *very* slow burner.
>
>>Conor Oberst #37,
>
>Apparently the fourth album he's released under his own name, but evidently
>the first to chart. Presumably this reflects the success he's had recording
>as Bright Eyes.
Or the extremely low level of album sales generally.
>
>>Randy Newman #46
>
>First all-new material from the veteran singer-songwriter and somewhat
>unblievably his first ever UK Top 75 album in a forty-year career!
Though I dare say he had several just miss out when the listings were
shorter.
>
>> Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48,
>
>Presumably on special offer somewhere.
>The original TV advert for this was subject to a complaint to the
>Advertising Standards Authority.
Not just because the complainer couldn't stand her, presumably? :)
>
>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>
>Also probably on offer somewhere.
Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new material
might be enough on its own.
>
>>Take That (BW) #69,
>
>Perhaps it's just my imagination, but this now seems to be T75 in alternate
>weeks.
For the last 6 weeks, yes.
>
>> Shayne Ward #72,
>
>Must be really cheap.
Most of us knew that already, though. :)
>
>>Seth Lakeman #73
>
>Can't have been far off last week.
#80.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her 2nd
>> week at #1.
>
>Agreed.
No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
>
>> Top 5 : Verve (T3)
>
>Yes - it'll be like 1997 all over again. Possibly.
Just no Elton John, please! :)
>
>> Top 10 : Bloc Party
>
>I think so, but not guaranteed.
I'd be surprised if not, though.
>
>> Top 20 : Nelly ft A&A,
>
>I wonder if this has a shot at Top 10?
But will physical sales make that much difference?
>
>>Spoon Harris & Obernik
>
>Yup.
Or Yuk?
>
>> Top 30 : Automatic,
>
>On downloads?
Admittedly I don't know for sure if it's downloadable this week.
>
>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>
>That'd be quite a leap from wherever it is now, especially without physical
>sales. But stranger things have happened, I guess.
Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow starter...
>
>>Fratellis,
>
>Are you sure you're not reading next week's (or the week after's, I should
>say) releases?
Yes I was - deliberately. I always look ahead to check for possible
download entries.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Script should easily claim the #1 spot, especially given the low
>> overall sales levels at this time of year.
>
>But I don't know if you can rule out Abba again.
The Script should at least be able to shift the necessary 30k - probably
more like 50k.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Noah & The Whale
>
>I think this may go higher. At least for a while.
On the back of a novelty single?
>
>> Others : Fightstar,
>
>It *must* be a quiet week.
No kidding!
>
>>Jane McDonald
>
>I'm sure this will indeed chart. I'm less sure of where.
>In this sort of week I wouldn't be amazed to see the Levellers creep in.
In a week *this* quiet, a recording of the local cat's chorus would
chart! :)
Jan Buxton
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 at 21:33:46, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> I think this may go higher. At least for a while.
>
> On the back of a novelty single?
They would be somewhat offended no doubt that you think it a novelty
single. Twee would perhaps be the description.
--
Jan
Chris Brown
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> Paul Hyett wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 at 21:33:46, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>> Top 20 NE : Noah & The Whale
>>>
>>> I think this may go higher. At least for a while.
>>
>> On the back of a novelty single?
>
> They would be somewhat offended no doubt that you think it a novelty >
> single.
Yes, but it's their own fault!
>Twee would perhaps be the description.
In terms of the usual sense of the word, yes, but it doesn't quite match up
with the classic twee music scene. It's far too glossy-sounding for a start.
Chris
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 at 21:33:46, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from
>>> #1
>>> after just one week.
>>
>>It didn't quite manage to be the Duffy to his Nickelback, but it's up
>>there
>>now, and presumably settled in for a lengthy run.
>
> Looks that way, especially as there's still 3 weeks until the CD is due.
Right.
> I would guess that, in that respect, it has hit the top earlier than any
> previous download-only #1?
Presumably. Unless Coldplay release 'Viva La Vida' on physicals!
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>
> I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at least
> one must be ineligible.
Nope, one CD and two 7" singles.
>>>Noah & The Whale #7,
>>
>>I don't know why, but I can't believe in this guy's voice.
>>Also, the record ends too late.
>
> Over 3 minutes late? :)
Way to trample the joke, there.
>>but specifically
>>there's an obvious punchline that would be a natural end, and yet they
>>keep
>>milking it.
>
> The same could be said about Ida Maria's single.
You may be right, although I hadn't quite noticed.
>>> Rihanna #9
>>
>>It looks a little bit like Universal have started to throw their
>>promotional
>>weight behind this track.
>
> They finally realised they backed the wrong horse as the 2nd single from
> the deluxe version of Good Girl Gone Bad.
Third, surely? After the Maroon 5 thing.
>>Still, a 25-place climb is remarkable. I haven't heard this enough to make
>>any musical comment yet.
>
> Surely it's now the 2nd highest download-only single, (behind Coldplay's
> Viva La Vida) too?
In a way, you could argue that the significant fact is that they weren't
singles! But no, I can't think of another track that's done better without a
physical release at least planned.
>>> Top 20 : Ida Maria #15
>>
>>A conversation in this household reached the conclusion that this is what
>>it
>>would sound like if Abba had writtten songs for Courtney Love.
>
> I don't know what to make of *that*!
I think it was because of the way it has several seperate hooklines in an
ostensibly simple song.
>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>
> Your standard 'nothing to say' comment. :)
More of an I Know This Will Be Climbing Next Week So I Don't Want To Say It
All Straight Away.
>>>Cascada #28
>>
>>Now obviously this is a cover version. But it's not even an original
>>choice
>>of cover; German DJ Jan Wayne did a similar version in 2002, and indeed
>>managed to go Top 20 with it, but the charts were different in those days.
>>10,000 Maniacs also had their biggest US single (and a rare UK chart
>>entry)
>>with an Unplugged version.
>
> Done rather better then the 2nd single from 'Perfect Day' though.
Which suggests they may have to do more of the same.
>>> Top 40 : Spoon, Harris & Obernik #34
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>
> And again... :)
I've been posting like that for two years - have you only just noticed?
>>> Re-entries T40 : Nickelback (Rockstar) #27,
>>
>>Available on iTunes again, or possibly at a lower price - reports seem to
>>vary.
>
> Fearne & Reggie seemed to have no idea - though that's not too unusual. :)
Or possibly they were told not to be specific for fear of advertising.
>>> SFG (INAY) #38
>>
>>Re-released for no obvious reason and - so far at least - charting lower
>>than it did first time around. Bit of a waste of time, that.
>>Mind you, on past form it'll probably be Top 5 at Christmas.
>
> Wishful thinking, surely? :)
I didn't say they'd be serving a long prison sentence...
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Taio Cruz #44,
>>
>>Out on CD on the 18th.
>
> I hope it's one of those that races from the starting blocks, only to
> quickly stumble.
If it's taken until a fortnight before the CD to go Top 50, I'm not sure
that is racing.
I haven't actually heard this one. But then I hadn't heard the last one
until the chart rundown either.
>>> Pigeon Detectives ((EWM) #51,
>>
>>I know this was out on physicals last week, so I've no idea.
>>Still, a Number 51 isn't a great way to follow a Top 20 hit.
>
> Ten they should have released a better song...
Yebbut they're the Pigeon Detectives, so that wasn't really an option.
>>>Bob Sinclar #52,
>>
>>Told you he'd worn out the formula.
>
> He'd done that 2.5 years ago, surely?
Creatively, yes, but he was still pulling a few hits out of the bag.
>>>Florence & The Machine #58,
>>
>>Available on 7" and download for two months, so if it's charting now I
>>presume it's in an advert or something. Her real surname is Welch.
>
> Haven't heard it.
Unless it actually is in an advert, I suppose.
www.moshimoshimusic.com if you care.
>>> Alphabeat #70,
>>
>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>
> If someone doesn't strangle them first...
??
>>>Tinchy Stryder #73
>>
>>Climbing a massive one place thanks to CD release.
>
> The term 'saturated market' comes to mind.
What, for people called Tinchy?
>>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>>
>>Becoming a regular visitor these days.
>
> But for more obvious reasons, this time.
I thought the much-ballyhooed and televised Glastonbury performance would be
a more obvious reason than the band happening to release something new.
>>>OCR (HH) #69,
>>
>>I hadn't even noticed this dropping out to be honest.
>>No sign of Abba's original, though?
>
> Was #150 last week.
Still a very long way behind, then.
>>>Baz Luhrmann (EFTWS) #72,
>>
>>As opposed to his many other hits!
>
> I've never understood the appeal of this, let alone why it keeps
> reappearing like an unwanted relative.
Some people find it inspirational. These are the sort of people who keep
forwarding you those stupid chain e-mails too.
>>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>>
>>Is that all?
>
> Can it make it to 100?
Bound to at this point.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album) just
>>> >
>>> ahead of Duffy.
>>
>>The release of the 'Viva La Vida' album hasn't helped Coldplay's album.
>
> Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
Er, you spotted the deliberate mistake there...
I meant the video of course.
>> At
>>least, not enough.
>
> Fearne seemed to be wetting herself over Abba being #1... :)
I'm not judgemental...
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
>>
>>Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the
>>slow-burning
>>hit the label must be hoping for
>
> Unless its a *very* slow burner.
Slow enough to hit Summer 2009 you mean?
>>>Conor Oberst #37,
>>
>>Apparently the fourth album he's released under his own name, but
>>evidently
>>the first to chart. Presumably this reflects the success he's had
>>recording
>>as Bright Eyes.
>
> Or the extremely low level of album sales generally.
That alone wouldn't make the difference between a Top 40 album and ones that
don't chart at all.
>>>Randy Newman #46
>>
>>First all-new material from the veteran singer-songwriter and somewhat
>>unblievably his first ever UK Top 75 album in a forty-year career!
>
> Though I dare say he had several just miss out when the listings were
> shorter.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Some of his soundtracks might also have sold enough to chart in the album
chart, for all I know.
>>> Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48,
>>
>>Presumably on special offer somewhere.
>>The original TV advert for this was subject to a complaint to the
>>Advertising Standards Authority.
>
> Not just because the complainer couldn't stand her, presumably? :)
I can't rule out that there were complaints on that basis, but they wouldn't
get reported!
Somebody complained that the ad said it was the first time all her hits had
been on one CD, when in fact she'd released a double CD compilation in 2000.
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Public/TF_ADJ_43834.htm
>>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>>
>>Also probably on offer somewhere.
>
> Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new material
> might be enough on its own.
It might but then again that one pretty much always seems to be on special
now.
>>> Shayne Ward #72,
>>
>>Must be really cheap.
>
> Most of us knew that already, though. :)
Er, that doesn't quite work.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her
>>> 2nd
>>> week at #1.
>>
>>Agreed.
>
> No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
I don't think there's any in the Verve's video either, so what?
>>> Top 10 : Bloc Party
>>
>>I think so, but not guaranteed.
>
> I'd be surprised if not, though.
Looking at past performance, so would I - but since it's a "difficult"
single and the band aren't around to promote it it's not a copper-bottomed
certainty.
>>> Top 20 : Nelly ft A&A,
>>
>>I wonder if this has a shot at Top 10?
>
> But will physical sales make that much difference?
That's exactly what I was wondering.
>>>Spoon Harris & Obernik
>>
>>Yup.
>
> Or Yuk?
For some reason, I thought you might like this one. Apologies.
>>> Top 30 : Automatic,
>>
>>On downloads?
>
> Admittedly I don't know for sure if it's downloadable this week.
No sign of it on 7Digital. Woolworths say not till Sunday.
>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>
>>That'd be quite a leap from wherever it is now, especially without
>>physical
>>sales. But stranger things have happened, I guess.
>
> Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow starter...
So why shouldn't this one be?
BTW, are you aware she's on Mojo magazine's cover disc this month?
>>>Fratellis,
>>
>>Are you sure you're not reading next week's (or the week after's, I should
>>say) releases?
>
> Yes I was - deliberately. I always look ahead to check for possible
> download entries.
And you seriously think the Fratellis are one of them????
>>> Any other possibilities?
>
>>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
>
> I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
Also, I've just noticed that there seems to be a new Streets track on the
download sites.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Script should easily claim the #1 spot, especially given the low
>>> overall sales levels at this time of year.
>>
>>But I don't know if you can rule out Abba again.
>
> The Script should at least be able to shift the necessary 30k - probably >
> more like 50k.
Definitely possible.
>>> Top 20 NE : Noah & The Whale
>>
>>I think this may go higher. At least for a while.
>
> On the back of a novelty single?
Plus the people who would have bought it anyway. And it's selling at a
reduced price too.
>>>Jane McDonald
>>
>>I'm sure this will indeed chart. I'm less sure of where.
>>In this sort of week I wouldn't be amazed to see the Levellers creep in.
>
> In a week *this* quiet, a recording of the local cat's chorus would chart!
Yes, but probably not in the Top 10.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from
>>>> #1
>> it has hit the top earlier than any
>> previous download-only #1?
>
>Presumably.
Hopefully MW will mention it.
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>>
>> I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at least
>> one must be ineligible.
>
>Nope, one CD and two 7" singles.
Then their website picture is misleading - three covers *apparently* the
same size...
>
>>>> Rihanna #9
>>>
>>>It looks a little bit like Universal have started to throw their
>>>promotional
>>>weight behind this track.
>>
>> They finally realised they backed the wrong horse as the 2nd single from
>> the deluxe version of Good Girl Gone Bad.
>
>Third, surely? After the Maroon 5 thing.
I thought that was on M5's album, not hers?
>
>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>>
>> Your standard 'nothing to say' comment. :)
>
>More of an I Know This Will Be Climbing Next Week So I Don't Want To Say It
>All Straight Away.
That never stops me, even if I end up repeating myself. :)
>
>>>> Top 40 : Spoon, Harris & Obernik #34
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>>
>> And again... :)
>
>I've been posting like that for two years - have you only just noticed?
No, just not commented on it before. :)
>
>>>> Re-entries T40 : Nickelback (Rockstar) #27,
>>>
>>>Available on iTunes again, or possibly at a lower price - reports seem to
>>>vary.
>>
>> Fearne & Reggie seemed to have no idea - though that's not too unusual. :)
>
>Or possibly they were told not to be specific for fear of advertising.
Then why ask listeners to text in as to why they thought it re-entered,
if they couldn't reveal the replies?
It's not as if getting freebies from MFI (or DFS?) would be much of a
benefit... :)
>
>>>> SFG (INAY) #38
>>>
>>>Re-released for no obvious reason and - so far at least - charting lower
>>>than it did first time around. Bit of a waste of time, that.
>>>Mind you, on past form it'll probably be Top 5 at Christmas.
>>
>> Wishful thinking, surely? :)
>
>I didn't say they'd be serving a long prison sentence...
Just *hoping*? :)
>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>
>>>>Florence & The Machine #58,
>>>
>>>Available on 7" and download for two months, so if it's charting now I
>>>presume it's in an advert or something. Her real surname is Welch.
>>
>> Haven't heard it.
>
>Unless it actually is in an advert, I suppose.
>www.moshimoshimusic.com if you care.
Not really.
>
>>>> Alphabeat #70,
>>>
>>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>>
>> If someone doesn't strangle them first...
>
>??
That's my first impulse whenever I heard any of their irritatingly peppy
songs...
>
>>>>Tinchy Stryder #73
>>>
>>>Climbing a massive one place thanks to CD release.
>>
>> The term 'saturated market' comes to mind.
>
>What, for people called Tinchy?
>
>>>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>>>
>>>Becoming a regular visitor these days.
>>
>> But for more obvious reasons, this time.
>
>I thought the much-ballyhooed and televised Glastonbury performance would be
>a more obvious reason than the band happening to release something new.
But Glastonbury was a while back...
>
>>>>OCR (HH) #69,
>>>
>>>I hadn't even noticed this dropping out to be honest.
>>>No sign of Abba's original, though?
>>
>> Was #150 last week.
>
>Still a very long way behind, then.
I'm sure they'll be crying (all the way to the bank) about that. :)
>
>>>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>>>
>>>Is that all?
>>
>> Can it make it to 100?
>
>Bound to at this point.
Or at least, at a point four months or more in the future...
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album) just
>>>> >
>>>> ahead of Duffy.
>>>
>>>The release of the 'Viva La Vida' album hasn't helped Coldplay's album.
>>
>> Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
>
>Er, you spotted the deliberate mistake there...
>I meant the video of course.
But why release it *now*, long after the single has peaked?
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
>>>
>>>Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the
>>>slow-burning
>>>hit the label must be hoping for
>>
>> Unless its a *very* slow burner.
>
>Slow enough to hit Summer 2009 you mean?
2099, preferably, then I won't have to know about it.
>
>>>> Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48,
>>>The original TV advert for this was subject to a complaint to the
>>>Advertising Standards Authority.
>>
>> Not just because the complainer couldn't stand her, presumably? :)
>
>I can't rule out that there were complaints on that basis, but they wouldn't
>get reported!
>Somebody complained that the ad said it was the first time all her hits had
>been on one CD, when in fact she'd released a double CD compilation in 2000.
>http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Public/TF_ADJ_43834.htm
There are numerous artists that *that* complaint could be made about,
though!
>
>>>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>>>
>>>Also probably on offer somewhere.
>>
>> Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new material
>> might be enough on its own.
>
>It might but then again that one pretty much always seems to be on special
>now.
I'm not sure which shop the offer was in though - and besides, a big
display saying 'Buy the Cistercian Minks album cheap!' is not a likely
scenario.
>
>>>> Shayne Ward #72,
>>>
>>>Must be really cheap.
>>
>> Most of us knew that already, though. :)
>
>Er, that doesn't quite work.
It's a long post - was running out of material...
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her
>>>> 2nd
>>>> week at #1.
>>>
>>>Agreed.
>>
>> No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
>
>I don't think there's any in the Verve's video either, so what?
Well, unlike the Verve's, Katy Perry's song is actually is about that.
>
>>>>Spoon Harris & Obernik
>>>
>>>Yup.
>>
>> Or Yuk?
>
>For some reason, I thought you might like this one. Apologies.
It lacks a certain couple of points I look for in dance music - the sort
that Natalie Horler has, for example... :)
>
>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>
>BTW, are you aware she's on Mojo magazine's cover disc this month?
>
I don't even know what 'Mojo magazine' is!
>>>>Fratellis,
>>>
>>>Are you sure you're not reading next week's (or the week after's, I should
>>>say) releases?
>>
>> Yes I was - deliberately. I always look ahead to check for possible
>> download entries.
>
>And you seriously think the Fratellis are one of them????
Why not?
>
>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
>>
>> I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
>
>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
I see they are T10 in iTunes.
>
>Also, I've just noticed that there seems to be a new Streets track on the
>download sites.
See other post.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> The Script should easily claim the #1 spot, especially given the low
>>>> overall sales levels at this time of year.
>>>
>>>But I don't know if you can rule out Abba again.
>>
>> The Script should at least be able to shift the necessary 30k - probably >
>> more like 50k.
>
>Definitely possible.
Abba actually sold 38k last week - more than I thought.
>>
>> In a week *this* quiet, a recording of the local cat's chorus would chart!
>
>Yes, but probably not in the Top 10.
More appealing than *some* albums there, though! :)
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 at 20:57:13, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Katy Perry's semi-novelty song 'I Kissed A Girl' removes Kid Rock from
>>>>> #1
>
>>> it has hit the top earlier than any
>>> previous download-only #1?
>>
>>Presumably.
>
> Hopefully MW will mention it.
Actually, nobody's posted that yet have they?
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>>>>
>>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>>>
>>> I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at
>>> least
>>> one must be ineligible.
>>
>>Nope, one CD and two 7" singles.
>
> Then their website picture is misleading - three covers *apparently* the
> same size...
Well they're hardly going to show them at actual size, are they?
>>>>> Rihanna #9
>>>>
>>>>It looks a little bit like Universal have started to throw their
>>>>promotional
>>>>weight behind this track.
>>>
>>> They finally realised they backed the wrong horse as the 2nd single from
>>> the deluxe version of Good Girl Gone Bad.
>>
>>Third, surely? After the Maroon 5 thing.
>
> I thought that was on M5's album, not hers?
It's on both - in their reissued forms.
>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>>>
>>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 12".
>>>
>>> Your standard 'nothing to say' comment. :)
>>
>>More of an I Know This Will Be Climbing Next Week So I Don't Want To Say
>>It
>>All Straight Away.
>
> That never stops me, even if I end up repeating myself. :)
In this particular case, I actually hadn't heard it until the chart rundown.
And haven't since.
>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>>
>>>>>Florence & The Machine #58,
>>>>
>>>>Available on 7" and download for two months, so if it's charting now I
>>>>presume it's in an advert or something. Her real surname is Welch.
>>>
>>> Haven't heard it.
>>
>>Unless it actually is in an advert, I suppose.
>>www.moshimoshimusic.com if you care.
>
> Not really.
Fair enough then.
>>>>> Alphabeat #70,
>>>>
>>>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>>>
>>> If someone doesn't strangle them first...
>>
>>??
>
> That's my first impulse whenever I heard any of their irritatingly peppy
> songs...
But if anybody did, that'd send it straight to Number One in tribute.
>>>>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>>>>
>>>>Becoming a regular visitor these days.
>>>
>>> But for more obvious reasons, this time.
>>
>>I thought the much-ballyhooed and televised Glastonbury performance would
>>be
>>a more obvious reason than the band happening to release something new.
>
> But Glastonbury was a while back...
Right, and it entered then, for an obvious reason. Entering now is less
obvious.
>>>>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>>>>
>>>>Is that all?
>>>
>>> Can it make it to 100?
>>
>>Bound to at this point.
>
> Or at least, at a point four months or more in the future...
I walked into that, didn't I?
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Abba hold on at #1 for a 2nd week (and 8th in total for the album)
>>>>> just
>>>>> >
>>>>> ahead of Duffy.
>>>>
>>>>The release of the 'Viva La Vida' album hasn't helped Coldplay's album.
>>>
>>> Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
>>
>>Er, you spotted the deliberate mistake there...
>>I meant the video of course.
>
> But why release it *now*, long after the single has peaked?
AFAIK, this was always when the video was supposed to come out - it's just
that the "single" peaked far earlier than expected.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
>>>>
>>>>Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the
>>>>slow-burning
>>>>hit the label must be hoping for
>>>
>>> Unless its a *very* slow burner.
>>
>>Slow enough to hit Summer 2009 you mean?
>
> 2099, preferably, then I won't have to know about it.
Pessimist.
>>>>> Re-entries : Whitney Houston (UC) #48,
>
>>>>The original TV advert for this was subject to a complaint to the
>>>>Advertising Standards Authority.
>>>
>>> Not just because the complainer couldn't stand her, presumably? :)
>>
>>I can't rule out that there were complaints on that basis, but they
>>wouldn't
>>get reported!
>>Somebody complained that the ad said it was the first time all her hits
>>had
>>been on one CD, when in fact she'd released a double CD compilation in
>>2000.
>>http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Public/TF_ADJ_43834.htm
>
> There are numerous artists that *that* complaint could be made about, >
> though!
But few whose record companies would be daft enough to make that claim.
>>>>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>>>>
>>>>Also probably on offer somewhere.
>>>
>>> Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new material
>>> might be enough on its own.
>>
>>It might but then again that one pretty much always seems to be on special
>>now.
>
> I'm not sure which shop the offer was in though - and besides, a big
> display saying 'Buy the Cistercian Minks album cheap!' is not a likely
> scenario.
I don't see why not - but anyway I was still talking about the Verve.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her
>>>>> 2nd
>>>>> week at #1.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed.
>>>
>>> No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
>>
>>I don't think there's any in the Verve's video either, so what?
>
> Well, unlike the Verve's, Katy Perry's song is actually is about that.
So?
>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>
>>BTW, are you aware she's on Mojo magazine's cover disc this month?
>>
> I don't even know what 'Mojo magazine' is!
It's a music magazine for middle-aged people. Anyway, this month's edition
includes a CD of cover versions of songs from the first disc of the White
Album. She drew the short straw - 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da'
http://www.jpgr.co.uk/col_mojo_sep08.html
>>>>>Fratellis,
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure you're not reading next week's (or the week after's, I
>>>>should
>>>>say) releases?
>>>
>>> Yes I was - deliberately. I always look ahead to check for possible
>>> download entries.
>>
>>And you seriously think the Fratellis are one of them????
>
> Why not?
Er, because it's not even Top 100 this week? Because the first single from
the album couldn't manage it, and only scraped the Top 30 on full release?
Because radio programmers seem to have taken the hint for once?
>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>
>>>>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
>>>
>>> I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
>>
>>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
>
> I see they are T10 in iTunes.
So do I.
>>Also, I've just noticed that there seems to be a new Streets track on the
>>download sites.
>
> See other post.
Which one?
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>
>>>> previous download-only #1?
>>>
>>>Presumably.
>>
>> Hopefully MW will mention it.
>
>Actually, nobody's posted that yet have they?
Haven't seen it yet.
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>>>>>
>>>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>>>>
>>>> I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at
>>>> least
>>>> one must be ineligible.
>>>
>>>Nope, one CD and two 7" singles.
>>
>> Then their website picture is misleading - three covers *apparently* the
>> same size...
>
>Well they're hardly going to show them at actual size, are they?
I was thinking about *relative* size.
>
>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
> I actually hadn't heard it until the chart rundown.
>And haven't since.
Same here.
>
>>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>
>>>>>> Alphabeat #70,
>>>>>
>>>>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>>>>
>>>> If someone doesn't strangle them first...
>>>
>>>??
>>
>> That's my first impulse whenever I heard any of their irritatingly peppy
>> songs...
>
>But if anybody did, that'd send it straight to Number One in tribute.
That only works with *popular* artists...
>
>>>>>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>>
>> But Glastonbury was a while back...
>
>Right, and it entered then, for an obvious reason. Entering now is less
>obvious.
Not to me - a band's popular old tracks always get 2nd-hand benefit from
the publicity for new material.
>
>>>>>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>>>>>
>>>>>Is that all?
>>>>
>>>> Can it make it to 100?
>>>
>>>Bound to at this point.
>>
>> Or at least, at a point four months or more in the future...
>
>I walked into that, didn't I?
Grin.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
>>>
>>>Er, you spotted the deliberate mistake there...
>>>I meant the video of course.
>>
>> But why release it *now*, long after the single has peaked?
>
>AFAIK, this was always when the video was supposed to come out - it's just
>that the "single" peaked far earlier than expected.
I see 2 possibilities :
1. The video was already in the can when the song hit #1 - in which case
common sense says to release it at that point.
2. It wasn't even filmed by the time it topped the charts - and since it
managed that without it, what's the point in making one subsequently?
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New outside the top 20 : Natty #21,
>>>>>
>>>>>Possibly released a little too late in the summer to become the
>>>>>slow-burning
>>>>>hit the label must be hoping for
>>>>
>>>> Unless its a *very* slow burner.
>>>
>>>Slow enough to hit Summer 2009 you mean?
>>
>> 2099, preferably, then I won't have to know about it.
>
>Pessimist.
Well, unless someone comes up with an 'immortality' serum, I'm not going
to be around then! :)
>
>>>>>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>>>>>
>>>>>Also probably on offer somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new material
>>>> might be enough on its own.
>>>
>>>It might but then again that one pretty much always seems to be on special
>>>now.
>>
>> I'm not sure which shop the offer was in though - and besides, a big
>> display saying 'Buy the Cistercian Minks album cheap!' is not a likely
>> scenario.
>
>I don't see why not
Because it would have virtually zero appeal to record-shop regulars -
mostly teenagers - so it wouldn't be a cost-effective use of shelf
space.
> - but anyway I was still talking about the Verve.
I wasn't...
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for her
>>>>>> 2nd
>>>>>> week at #1.
>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>
>>>> No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
>>>
>>>I don't think there's any in the Verve's video either, so what?
>>
>> Well, unlike the Verve's, Katy Perry's song is actually is about that.
>
>So?
In two words : sex sells... :)
>
>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>>
>>>BTW, are you aware she's on Mojo magazine's cover disc this month?
>>>
>> I don't even know what 'Mojo magazine' is!
>
>It's a music magazine for middle-aged people. Anyway, this month's edition
>includes a CD of cover versions of songs from the first disc of the White
>Album. She drew the short straw - 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da'
>http://www.jpgr.co.uk/col_mojo_sep08.html
I think I'll give that one a miss, then. :)
>
>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>
>>>>>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
>>>
>>>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
Ah - I wondered why that had re-entered.
>>
>> I see they are T10 in iTunes.
>
>So do I.
iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
4. Beggin' - Madcon
5. Disturbia - Rihanna
14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
15. Spiralling (Radio Edit) - Keane
23. Mercury - Bloc Party
33. Kiss With a Fist - Florence & The Machine
40. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
43. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
Huh? And it's far from the only track in that chart more than once...
44. Judas - The Verve
(I used a handy spreadsheet to extract *just* the chart positions from
the mass of info that accompanies each track)
>
>>>Also, I've just noticed that there seems to be a new Streets track on the
>>>download sites.
>>
>> See other post.
>
>Which one?
The one where Mike Skinner was mentioned? :)
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 at 22:24:44, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>>
>>>>> it has hit the top earlier than any
>>>>> previous download-only #1?
>>>>
>>>>Presumably.
>>>
>>> Hopefully MW will mention it.
>>
>>Actually, nobody's posted that yet have they?
>
> Haven't seen it yet.
Here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t76087.html
Actually he doesn't say it specifically. But he does reveal that it took
four people to write 'I Kissed A Girl'.
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Verve #5,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought there were 3 CD formats - and if there's a 7" too, then at
>>>>> least
>>>>> one must be ineligible.
>>>>
>>>>Nope, one CD and two 7" singles.
>>>
>>> Then their website picture is misleading - three covers *apparently* the
>>> same size...
>>
>>Well they're hardly going to show them at actual size, are they?
>
> I was thinking about *relative* size.
Yes, but all the images on that page are the same size anyway (except the
DVD, which is obviously of different proportions). Surely anyone who's
bothered enough to consider buying it knows how big a 7" single is?
>>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>
>> I actually hadn't heard it until the chart rundown.
>>And haven't since.
>
> Same here.
I presume it's getting some play somewhere, though.
>>>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>>
>>>>>>> Alphabeat #70,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone doesn't strangle them first...
>>>>
>>>>??
>>>
>>> That's my first impulse whenever I heard any of their irritatingly peppy
>>> songs...
>>
>>But if anybody did, that'd send it straight to Number One in tribute.
>
> That only works with *popular* artists...
You mean, like ones who've had Top 10 singles and albums?
>>>>>>> Re-entries : Verve (BSS) #64,
>>>
>>> But Glastonbury was a while back...
>>
>>Right, and it entered then, for an obvious reason. Entering now is less
>>obvious.
>
> Not to me - a band's popular old tracks always get 2nd-hand benefit from
> the publicity for new material.
I know it happens - but it's a less obvious mechanism, that's all.
>>>>>>> Snow Patrol (CC) #74 (84th week!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that all?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it make it to 100?
>>>>
>>>>Bound to at this point.
>>>
>>> Or at least, at a point four months or more in the future...
>>
>>I walked into that, didn't I?
>
> Grin.
Maybe I'll get it when that week comes.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Viva La Vida *is* Coldplay's album...
>>>>
>>>>Er, you spotted the deliberate mistake there...
>>>>I meant the video of course.
>>>
>>> But why release it *now*, long after the single has peaked?
>>
>>AFAIK, this was always when the video was supposed to come out - it's just
>>that the "single" peaked far earlier than expected.
>
> I see 2 possibilities :
>
> 1. The video was already in the can when the song hit #1 - in which case
> common sense says to release it at that point.
>
> 2. It wasn't even filmed by the time it topped the charts - and since it
> managed that without it, what's the point in making one subsequently?
Well, a video could still help promote the album; and remember they're
trying to sell to a global market, not just in the UK.
Also there's a possibility 3 - the video was in the works when the album
came out - maybe partly filmed, or filmed but not edited.
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>Verve (UH) #61, Cistercian Monks #63,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also probably on offer somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe not, in the former case - the publicity for their new
>>>>> material
>>>>> might be enough on its own.
>>>>
>>>>It might but then again that one pretty much always seems to be on
>>>>special
>>>>now.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure which shop the offer was in though - and besides, a big
>>> display saying 'Buy the Cistercian Minks album cheap!' is not a likely
>>> scenario.
>>
>>I don't see why not
>
> Because it would have virtually zero appeal to record-shop regulars -
> mostly teenagers - so it wouldn't be a cost-effective use of shelf space.
There are more shops than just record shops you know.
>> - but anyway I was still talking about the Verve.
>
> I wasn't...
But they were the first.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Katy Perry's should hold off even the Verve's combined sales, for
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> 2nd
>>>>>>> week at #1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> No real girl-on-girl action in the video, though...
>>>>
>>>>I don't think there's any in the Verve's video either, so what?
>>>
>>> Well, unlike the Verve's, Katy Perry's song is actually is about that.
>>
>>So?
>
> In two words : sex sells... :)
Er, yeah.
>>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>>>
>>>>BTW, are you aware she's on Mojo magazine's cover disc this month?
>>>>
>>> I don't even know what 'Mojo magazine' is!
>>
>>It's a music magazine for middle-aged people. Anyway, this month's edition
>>includes a CD of cover versions of songs from the first disc of the White
>>Album. She drew the short straw - 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da'
>>http://www.jpgr.co.uk/col_mojo_sep08.html
>
> I think I'll give that one a miss, then. :)
Actually, it's cover-tastic for her at the moment; she turned up on R1 today
doing an odd jazz version of 'Closer'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/080813_gabriellacilmi.shtml
>>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>
>>>>>>Madcon have/has had some R1 exposure too, but possibly not enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the name in the airplay chart, but haven't heard the song.
>>>>
>>>>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
>
> Ah - I wondered why that had re-entered.
I didn't even know that one had.
>>> I see they are T10 in iTunes.
>>
>>So do I.
>
> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>
> 1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
> 2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
> 3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
> 4. Beggin' - Madcon
Weird.
> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
I wonder if this was released late?
> 15. Spiralling (Radio Edit) - Keane
Notably not in the main chart.
> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
As of now, they're at 22 and 95, and who knows where else, there being
several other versions of the song around.
> 33. Kiss With a Fist - Florence & The Machine
It's in a 4Music advert, whatever that was.
> 40. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
> 43. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
>
> Huh? And it's far from the only track in that chart more than once...
Of course - if it occurs in two seperate places (eg on an album, a
compilation, a couple of different single formats) then even identical
versions of a track will appear seperately in this listing.
> 44. Judas - The Verve
I'd never heard of this, but it turns out to be a track from the forthcoming
(er, no pun intended) album. I wonder if that's another "Viva La Vida" deal?
> (I used a handy spreadsheet to extract *just* the chart positions from the
> mass of info that accompanies each track)
Is that automated?
>>>>Also, I've just noticed that there seems to be a new Streets track on
>>>>the
>>>>download sites.
>>>
>>> See other post.
>>
>>Which one?
>
> The one where Mike Skinner was mentioned? :)
Yes, but that only said he was releasing an album. Which I knew anyway.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>>>
>
>Actually he doesn't say it specifically. But he does reveal that it took
>four people to write 'I Kissed A Girl'.
I know one of them is Cathy Dennis, who also wrote my all-time
favourite.
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>
>>> I actually hadn't heard it until the chart rundown.
>>>And haven't since.
>>
>> Same here.
>
>I presume it's getting some play somewhere, though.
No doubt on the Urban Sky channels I never listen to for obvious
reasons. :)
>>>
>>>But if anybody did, that'd send it straight to Number One in tribute.
>>
>> That only works with *popular* artists...
>
>You mean, like ones who've had Top 10 singles and albums?
They need to have talent too, not just promo...
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>> Because it would have virtually zero appeal to record-shop regulars -
>> mostly teenagers - so it wouldn't be a cost-effective use of shelf space.
>
>There are more shops than just record shops you know.
But shops like, say, M&S would be even *less* likely to be selling that
record...
>
>>> - but anyway I was still talking about the Verve.
>>
>> I wasn't...
>
>But they were the first.
Well, I thought my specifically referring to the Cistercian Monks album
would be something of a hint as to what I was talking about... :)
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>>>>
>Actually, it's cover-tastic for her at the moment; she turned up on R1 today
>doing an odd jazz version of 'Closer'.
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/080813_gabriellacilmi.shtml
Alas, Save The Lies only climbed 34 places to #159 last Sunday.
Unless they're going for a simultaneous download/physical single release
next Monday, it isn't looking good.
>
>>>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Madcon
>>>>>
>>>>>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
>>
>> Ah - I wondered why that had re-entered.
>
>I didn't even know that one had.
FV's version was up to #122 on Sunday
>>
>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>>
>> 1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
>> 2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
>> 3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
>> 4. Beggin' - Madcon
>
>Weird.
The song, or that is doing so well?
>
>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>
>I wonder if this was released late?
Due out a week Monday on CD - sounds like fairly run-of-the-mill R&B
though.
>
>> 15. Spiralling (Radio Edit) - Keane
>
>Notably not in the main chart.
Probably short of the T20 even if eligible, though.
>
>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>
>As of now, they're at 22 and 95, and who knows where else, there being
>several other versions of the song around.
Presumably the mids position combines all the sales though.
>
>> 33. Kiss With a Fist - Florence & The Machine
>
>It's in a 4Music advert, whatever that was.
Taking over from 'The Hits' channel on Sky from tomorrow.
One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
concert. :)
>
>> 40. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
>> 43. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
>>
>> Huh? And it's far from the only track in that chart more than once...
>
>Of course - if it occurs in two seperate places (eg on an album, a
>compilation, a couple of different single formats) then even identical
>versions of a track will appear seperately in this listing.
Yes, make the OCC people earn their wages... :)
>
>> 44. Judas - The Verve
>
>I'd never heard of this, but it turns out to be a track from the forthcoming
>(er, no pun intended) album. I wonder if that's another "Viva La Vida" deal?
>
>> (I used a handy spreadsheet to extract *just* the chart positions from the
>> mass of info that accompanies each track)
>
>Is that automated?
Not yet - I only just created it, but I'm hoping to set it so all I need
to do is copy from the iTunes T100 page & paste into the spreadsheet.
Once there, I should be able to sort by chart position to tidy it up.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 at 21:21:07, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>>>>
>>Here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t76087.html
>>
>>Actually he doesn't say it specifically. But he does reveal that it took
>>four people to write 'I Kissed A Girl'.
>
> I know one of them is Cathy Dennis, who also wrote my all-time favourite.
Did she not also write 'Sweet Dreams My LA Ex'? That'd explain a lot here.
One of the others is Katy Perry herself, but I can't really tell what the
other two were doing.
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>>
>>>> I actually hadn't heard it until the chart rundown.
>>>>And haven't since.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>
>>I presume it's getting some play somewhere, though.
>
> No doubt on the Urban Sky channels I never listen to for obvious reasons.
> :)
Assuming there is a video, of course.
>>>>But if anybody did, that'd send it straight to Number One in tribute.
>>>
>>> That only works with *popular* artists...
>>
>>You mean, like ones who've had Top 10 singles and albums?
>
> They need to have talent too, not just promo...
Er, you can say whatever you like about Alphabeat, but it's difficult to
dispute that they're doing pretty well at least for the time being.
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> Because it would have virtually zero appeal to record-shop regulars -
>>> mostly teenagers - so it wouldn't be a cost-effective use of shelf
>>> space.
>>
>>There are more shops than just record shops you know.
>
> But shops like, say, M&S would be even *less* likely to be selling that
> record...
A few branches do nowadays, apparently, but they don't report to the OCC. I
was thinking more of supermarkets though. And stationers.
>>>> - but anyway I was still talking about the Verve.
>>>
>>> I wasn't...
>>
>>But they were the first.
>
> Well, I thought my specifically referring to the Cistercian Monks album >
> would be something of a hint as to what I was talking about... :)
Indeed - but it conflicts rather with talking about the first case, as you
had.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>>>>>
>>Actually, it's cover-tastic for her at the moment; she turned up on R1
>>today
>>doing an odd jazz version of 'Closer'.
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/080813_gabriellacilmi.shtml
>
> Alas, Save The Lies only climbed 34 places to #159 last Sunday.
>
> Unless they're going for a simultaneous download/physical single release
> next Monday, it isn't looking good.
Ordinarily, I'd be a bit sceptical about the importance of the "official"
download release date. But in this case I can imagine that it'd be a help if
they release a download version called 'Save The Lies (Be Good To Me)' or
something.
>>>>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Madcon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's the same song as the Frankie Valli one last year.
>>>
>>> Ah - I wondered why that had re-entered.
>>
>>I didn't even know that one had.
>
> FV's version was up to #122 on Sunday
Considering how little of a hit it was before, that's saying something.
>>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>>>
>>> 1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
>>> 2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
>>> 3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
>>> 4. Beggin' - Madcon
>>
>>Weird.
>
> The song, or that is doing so well?
The latter. The word "weird" would suggest that it was somehow interesting.
>>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>>
>>I wonder if this was released late?
...In the week, I mean.
> Due out a week Monday on CD - sounds like fairly run-of-the-mill R&B
> though.
More than averagely annoying though.
>>> 15. Spiralling (Radio Edit) - Keane
>>
>>Notably not in the main chart.
>
> Probably short of the T20 even if eligible, though.
Absent any other source of sales, that seems likely.
>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>>
>>As of now, they're at 22 and 95, and who knows where else, there being
>>several other versions of the song around.
>
> Presumably the mids position combines all the sales though.
Unless there's been a big mess-up somewhere, yes.
>>> 33. Kiss With a Fist - Florence & The Machine
>>
>>It's in a 4Music advert, whatever that was.
>
> Taking over from 'The Hits' channel on Sky from tomorrow.
It's a whole channel then?
> One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
> concert. :)
Bet she wishes they'd used her in the advert.
>>> 40. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
>>> 43. I Decided, Pt. 2 (Freemasons Remix) - Solange
>>>
>>> Huh? And it's far from the only track in that chart more than once...
>>
>>Of course - if it occurs in two seperate places (eg on an album, a
>>compilation, a couple of different single formats) then even identical
>>versions of a track will appear seperately in this listing.
>
> Yes, make the OCC people earn their wages... :)
Seriously, I presume they get an overall figure for each eligible track.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>>>>>
>>>Here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t76087.html
>>>
>>>Actually he doesn't say it specifically. But he does reveal that it took
>>>four people to write 'I Kissed A Girl'.
>>
>> I know one of them is Cathy Dennis, who also wrote my all-time favourite.
>
>Did she not also write 'Sweet Dreams My LA Ex'? That'd explain a lot here.
I like *that* song too - of course, the babe who sang it made a
difference, as well. :)
>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>>
>>>I presume it's getting some play somewhere, though.
>>
>> No doubt on the Urban Sky channels I never listen to for obvious reasons.
>> :)
>
>Assuming there is a video, of course.
Yes there is, even if I channel hop away within a second or two...
>
>Er, you can say whatever you like about Alphabeat
I can't think of *anything* I like about them... :)
>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>There are more shops than just record shops you know.
>>
>> But shops like, say, M&S would be even *less* likely to be selling that
>> record...
>
>A few branches do nowadays, apparently, but they don't report to the OCC. I
>was thinking more of supermarkets though.
OK, fair enough
>And stationers.
Any others apart from WH Smiths?
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>
>> Alas, Save The Lies only climbed 34 places to #159 last Sunday.
>>
>> Unless they're going for a simultaneous download/physical single release
>> next Monday, it isn't looking good.
>
>Ordinarily, I'd be a bit sceptical about the importance of the "official"
>download release date. But in this case I can imagine that it'd be a help if
>they release a download version called 'Save The Lies (Be Good To Me)' or
>something.
About all I know is that it isn't T40 this week, since the mids have
unfortunately contained no info below that.
Mid-60's on iTunes.
>>>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>>>>
>>>> 1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
>>>> 2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
>>>> 3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
>>>> 4. Beggin' - Madcon
>>>
>>>Weird.
>>
>> The song, or that is doing so well?
>
>The latter. The word "weird" would suggest that it was somehow interesting.
Not the way I'd use it. :)
No change in the T6 since Wed, BTW - with Disturbia at #5 & Love Is
Noise #6.
Keane #12 (but obviously ineligible)
>
>>>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>>>
>>>I wonder if this was released late?
>
>...In the week, I mean.
She's now #16
At #22 is The Script, with 'We Cry'!
>
>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
Now #27
>
>>>
>>>It's in a 4Music advert, whatever that was.
>>
>> Taking over from 'The Hits' channel on Sky from tomorrow.
>
>It's a whole channel then?
Yes.
>
>> One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
>> concert. :)
>
>Bet she wishes they'd used her in the advert.
Wouldn't have saved 'The One' though.
Also : Verve (BSS) #63.
Paul Hyett
<vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>> iTunes items of interest
>>>>>
I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
For an Oasis song it's surprisingly tolerable, too.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 at 22:35:25, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> Katy Perry
>>>>>>>
>>>>Here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t76087.html
>>>>
>>>>Actually he doesn't say it specifically. But he does reveal that it took
>>>>four people to write 'I Kissed A Girl'.
>>>
>>> I know one of them is Cathy Dennis, who also wrote my all-time
>>> favourite.
>>
>>Did she not also write 'Sweet Dreams My LA Ex'? That'd explain a lot here.
>
> I like *that* song too - of course, the babe who sang it made a
> difference, as well. :)
I actually thought that was a decent song, although a little bit too up
itself. Better than this, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Nelly ft A&A #23,
>>>>
>>>>I presume it's getting some play somewhere, though.
>>>
>>> No doubt on the Urban Sky channels I never listen to for obvious
>>> reasons.
>>> :)
>>
>>Assuming there is a video, of course.
>
> Yes there is, even if I channel hop away within a second or two...
OK. I'll take your word for it obviously.
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>There are more shops than just record shops you know.
>>>
>>> But shops like, say, M&S would be even *less* likely to be selling that
>>> record...
>>
>>A few branches do nowadays, apparently, but they don't report to the OCC.
>>I
>>was thinking more of supermarkets though.
>
> OK, fair enough
>
>>And stationers.
>
> Any others apart from WH Smiths?
None that I know of, but I could be proved wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>
>>> Alas, Save The Lies only climbed 34 places to #159 last Sunday.
>>>
>>> Unless they're going for a simultaneous download/physical single release
>>> next Monday, it isn't looking good.
>>
>>Ordinarily, I'd be a bit sceptical about the importance of the "official"
>>download release date. But in this case I can imagine that it'd be a help
>>if
>>they release a download version called 'Save The Lies (Be Good To Me)' or
>>something.
>
> About all I know is that it isn't T40 this week, since the mids have
> unfortunately contained no info below that.
Only a T39, for some days!
> Mid-60's on iTunes.
Possibly not really enough then.
>>>>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I Kissed a Girl - Katy Perry
>>>>> 2. The Man Who Can't Be Moved - The Script
>>>>> 3. All Summer Long - Kid Rock
>>>>> 4. Beggin' - Madcon
>>>>
>>>>Weird.
>>>
>>> The song, or that is doing so well?
>>
>>The latter. The word "weird" would suggest that it was somehow
>>interesting.
>
> Not the way I'd use it. :)
Well, you know, it's synonymous with words like "unusual" and "remarkable",
neither of which I'd use here.
> No change in the T6 since Wed, BTW - with Disturbia at #5 & Love Is Noise
> #6.
>
> Keane #12 (but obviously ineligible)
Actually, the Friday mids do include them, somewhere down the bottom of the
40.
>>
>>>>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>>>>
>>>>I wonder if this was released late?
>>
>>...In the week, I mean.
>
> She's now #16
They, to be strictly accurate.
> At #22 is The Script, with 'We Cry'!
I could understand if it was a really old track.
>>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>
> Now #27
Ouch.
>>> One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
>>> concert. :)
>>
>>Bet she wishes they'd used her in the advert.
>
> Wouldn't have saved 'The One' though.
Why not?
Chris
Chris Brown
"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0C1EKIAI...@blueyonder.co.uk...
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 at 08:36:21, Paul Hyett <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>> iTunes items of interest
>>>>>>
> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
Unless it's another downpayment-on-the-album deal.
> For an Oasis song it's surprisingly tolerable, too.
I'll have to take your word for that, because it wasn't the track premiered
on the radio yesterday. However, I see now that HMV are listing it as a
double A sided release.
Chris
Lister
What's "Falling Down"? Is this from the forthcoming oasis album?
Chris Brown
"Lister" <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
news:hk9ea4dougvpaqaf5...@4ax.com...
Yes, track 7 apparently.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>> unfortunately contained no info below that.
>
>Only a T39, for some days!
Like we'd know the difference, if we weren't told... :)
>
>> Mid-60's on iTunes.
>
>Possibly not really enough then.
Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow-starter...
BTW, that Sure advert that features it, is back.
>
>>>>>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>
>> No change in the T6 since Wed, BTW - with Disturbia at #5 & Love Is Noise
>> #6.
>>
>> Keane #12 (but obviously ineligible)
>
>Actually, the Friday mids do include them, somewhere down the bottom of the
>40.
But other ineligible songs have appeared in the mids, only to go AWOL
from the final listings.
All we can really do is wait for the chart show.
BTW, it's a bit of a PITA that there were no mids details below T40 this
week - makes it difficult to really prepare chart commentaries
beforehand...
>>>
>>>>>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>>>>>
>>>>>I wonder if this was released late?
>>>
>>>...In the week, I mean.
>>
>> She's now #16
>
>They, to be strictly accurate.
Not *another* group pretending to be a person?!
>
>> At #22 is The Script, with 'We Cry'!
>
>I could understand if it was a really old track.
Some of this will be album-track downloads, of course.
I wonder if it will get close to its original #15 peak?
>
>>>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>>
>> Now #27
>
>Ouch.
Shows how dependant it must be on physical sales, given that it's around
#15 overall.
>
>>>> One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
>>>> concert. :)
>>>
>>>Bet she wishes they'd used her in the advert.
>>
>> Wouldn't have saved 'The One' though.
>
>Why not?
4th single from the album; download-only release...
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0C1EKIAI...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 at 08:36:21, Paul Hyett <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk>
>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>>> iTunes items of interest
>>>>>>>
>> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
>> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
>
>Unless it's another downpayment-on-the-album deal.
As long as 8 weeks before its release date?
I don't really see the point of those - they aren't going to be
chart-eligible, and therefore the record company surely wouldn't throw
away a good track on the deal.
In any case, it's not like an Oasis album won't sell without such
inducements...
>
>> For an Oasis song it's surprisingly tolerable, too.
>
>I'll have to take your word for that, because it wasn't the track premiered
>on the radio yesterday. However, I see now that HMV are listing it as a
>double A sided release.
That would make more sense.
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>>>> iTunes items of interest
>>>>>>>>
>>> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
>>> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
>>
I assume so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5g4lnbVAgg
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 at 18:52:06, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>> About all I know is that it isn't T40 this week, since the mids have
>>> unfortunately contained no info below that.
>>
>>Only a T39, for some days!
>
> Like we'd know the difference, if we weren't told... :)
Good that we were, then.
>>> Mid-60's on iTunes.
>>
>>Possibly not really enough then.
>
> Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow-starter...
> BTW, that Sure advert that features it, is back.
And that might be a story in itself.
>>>>>>> iTunes items of interest (as at 7.15am 13th)
>>
>>> No change in the T6 since Wed, BTW - with Disturbia at #5 & Love Is
>>> Noise
>>> #6.
>>>
>>> Keane #12 (but obviously ineligible)
>>
>>Actually, the Friday mids do include them, somewhere down the bottom of
>>the
>>40.
>
> But other ineligible songs have appeared in the mids, only to go AWOL from
> the final listings.
Agreed, although the fact that it seemed to be omitted from earlier ones
when it would presumably have been selling enough does complicate matters.
> All we can really do is wait for the chart show.
Indeed. Or if it's not there, wait until the Top 75 comes out.
> BTW, it's a bit of a PITA that there were no mids details below T40 this
> week - makes it difficult to really prepare chart commentaries
> beforehand...
Especially for the more verbose of us.
Hey, I wonder if the Stiff Dylans are still at 41?
>>>>>>> 14. The World Should Revolve Around Me - Little Jackie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder if this was released late?
>>>>
>>>>...In the week, I mean.
>>>
>>> She's now #16
>>
>>They, to be strictly accurate.
>
> Not *another* group pretending to be a person?!
Duo, to be strictly accurate.
>>> At #22 is The Script, with 'We Cry'!
>>
>>I could understand if it was a really old track.
>
> Some of this will be album-track downloads, of course.
Most of it, I should think.
> I wonder if it will get close to its original #15 peak?
Since physical sales are probably tiny, I think that can be ruled out this
week.
>>>>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>>>
>>> Now #27
>>
>>Ouch.
>
> Shows how dependant it must be on physical sales, given that it's around
> #15 overall.
That's not quite as massive a disparity as it could have been, especially
considering that the iTunes sales will be spread around several versions,
and that you can get a better digital version via their official website -
unfortunately I didn't realise this until late last night and couldn't
remember my phone number in time for the deadline.
>>>>> One of their first programmes will be a recording of a Kylie X2008
>>>>> concert. :)
>>>>
>>>>Bet she wishes they'd used her in the advert.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't have saved 'The One' though.
>>
>>Why not?
>
> 4th single from the album; download-only release...
But the Florence/Machine record is effectively download-only, and that's
coming on leaps and bounds - you can imagine how much it might have helped a
record by someone more obviously recognisable.
Chris
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 at 19:40:09, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>
>>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:0C1EKIAI...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 at 08:36:21, Paul Hyett
>>> <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk>
>>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>> iTunes items of interest
>>>>>>>>
>>> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
>>> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
>>
>>Unless it's another downpayment-on-the-album deal.
>
> As long as 8 weeks before its release date?
Well, if you're going to do it at all, it makes sense to do it as soon as
the album is on pre-order. For one thing, you probably don't want to
penalise the people who order it first, and of course getting the song eight
weeks in advance is more tempting than getting it two weeks an advance.
> I don't really see the point of those - they aren't going to be
> chart-eligible, and therefore the record company surely wouldn't throw >
> away a good track on the deal.
Although if 'Viva La Vida' is anything to go by, they don't necessarily have
to throw it away! Also, whilst this isn't as big an issue for Oasis as for
some acts, remember that these deals are eligible in the US and it might
seem unfair not to offer the same deal everywhere.
> In any case, it's not like an Oasis album won't sell without such
> inducements...
Sure, it'd go to Number One anyway. But the actual sales figure might still
be affected. Anyway, if you look at it from the other side the advantages to
such a deal from Apple's point of view are obvious - so it's likely that
they've done something helpful for the record company in exchange.
>>> For an Oasis song it's surprisingly tolerable, too.
>>
>>I'll have to take your word for that, because it wasn't the track
>>premiered
>>on the radio yesterday. However, I see now that HMV are listing it as a
>>double A sided release.
>
> That would make more sense.
Especially since download sales of that one won't in any case contribute to
the chart position of the lead track.
Actually, I've just checked the band's own site and it would seem that the
version of 'Falling Down' on the single is a remix anyway.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>
>>>
>>>Possibly not really enough then.
>>
>> Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow-starter...
>
>> BTW, that Sure advert that features it, is back.
>
>And that might be a story in itself.
You mean, the advert promoted the single, and now that it's well-known,
they figure it'll return the favour?
>
>>>>The Script, with 'We Cry'!
>
>> I wonder if it will get close to its original #15 peak?
>
>Since physical sales are probably tiny, I think that can be ruled out this
>week.
But I wasn't confining my question just to this week, though.
>
>>>>>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>>
>> Shows how dependant it must be on physical sales, given that it's around
>> #15 overall.
>
>That's not quite as massive a disparity as it could have been, especially
>considering that the iTunes sales will be spread around several versions,
>and that you can get a better digital version via their official website -
>unfortunately I didn't realise this until late last night and couldn't
>remember my phone number in time for the deadline.
What does your phone number have to do with it?
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
>>>> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
>>>
>>>Unless it's another downpayment-on-the-album deal.
>>
>> As long as 8 weeks before its release date?
>
>Well, if you're going to do it at all, it makes sense to do it as soon as
>the album is on pre-order. For one thing, you probably don't want to
>penalise the people who order it first, and of course getting the song eight
>weeks in advance is more tempting than getting it two weeks an advance.
Sounds more like a punishment, to me. :)
>
>Although if 'Viva La Vida' is anything to go by, they don't necessarily have
>to throw it away! Also, whilst this isn't as big an issue for Oasis as for
>some acts, remember that these deals are eligible in the US and it might
>seem unfair not to offer the same deal everywhere.
I think the concept of prudence comes in somewhere, too.
In the specific case of Oasis though, the US factor is somewhat
irrelevant, as their success there has been patchy.
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 at 16:10:36, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> I see Oasis - Falling Down has just appeared at #11. Two days sales at
>>>>> that sort of level will probably be enough to see them T40 tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>Unless it's another downpayment-on-the-album deal.
>>>
>>> As long as 8 weeks before its release date?
>>
>>Well, if you're going to do it at all, it makes sense to do it as soon as
>>the album is on pre-order. For one thing, you probably don't want to
>>penalise the people who order it first, and of course getting the song
>>eight
>>weeks in advance is more tempting than getting it two weeks an advance.
>
> Sounds more like a punishment, to me. :)
I know, but we're (possibly) talking about people who voluntarily pre-order
an Oasis album.
>>Although if 'Viva La Vida' is anything to go by, they don't necessarily
>>have
>>to throw it away! Also, whilst this isn't as big an issue for Oasis as for
>>some acts, remember that these deals are eligible in the US and it might
>>seem unfair not to offer the same deal everywhere.
>
> I think the concept of prudence comes in somewhere, too.
Oasis probably think it's a Beatles song though.
> In the specific case of Oasis though, the US factor is somewhat
> irrelevant, as their success there has been patchy.
Interesting point actually - of course they're not anything like the singles
act there that they are here, but they do seem to have a bit of a cult
following. Perhaps that'd actually make it more useful for them to be able
to sneak a single into the chart by such means.
All that said, however, I noticed from close perusal of the band's site that
they were offering the *remix* of 'Falling Down' ahead of the single bundle.
If iTunes are doing the same deal, then this track is a downpayment on the
single instead.
Chris
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 at 14:43:05, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> Mid-60's on iTunes.
>>>>
>>>>Possibly not really enough then.
>>>
>>> Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow-starter...
>>
>>> BTW, that Sure advert that features it, is back.
>>
>>And that might be a story in itself.
>
> You mean, the advert promoted the single, and now that it's well-known,
> they figure it'll return the favour?
Something like that, yeah.
>>>>>The Script, with 'We Cry'!
>>
>>> I wonder if it will get close to its original #15 peak?
>>
>>Since physical sales are probably tiny, I think that can be ruled out this
>>week.
>
> But I wasn't confining my question just to this week, though.
Which is why I made it explicit that that's all I was answering.
>>>>>>>>> 23. Mercury - Bloc Party
>>>
>>> Shows how dependant it must be on physical sales, given that it's around
>>> #15 overall.
>>
>>That's not quite as massive a disparity as it could have been, especially
>>considering that the iTunes sales will be spread around several versions,
>>and that you can get a better digital version via their official website -
>>unfortunately I didn't realise this until late last night and couldn't
>>remember my phone number in time for the deadline.
>
> What does your phone number have to do with it?
I'm not entirely sure, but they asked for it as part of the sign-up process.
My best guess is that they take it so they can contact customers who're
having physical product delivered to them.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>Well, if you're going to do it at all, it makes sense to do it as soon as
>>>the album is on pre-order. For one thing, you probably don't want to
>>>penalise the people who order it first, and of course getting the song
>>>eight
>>>weeks in advance is more tempting than getting it two weeks an advance.
>>
>> Sounds more like a punishment, to me. :)
>
>I know, but we're (possibly) talking about people who voluntarily pre-order
>an Oasis album.
Masochists, you mean? :)
>
>> In the specific case of Oasis though, the US factor is somewhat
>> irrelevant, as their success there has been patchy.
>
>Interesting point actually - of course they're not anything like the singles
>act there that they are here, but they do seem to have a bit of a cult
>following.
Not a spelling mistake, by any chance? :)
>
>All that said, however, I noticed from close perusal of the band's site that
>they were offering the *remix* of 'Falling Down' ahead of the single bundle.
>If iTunes are doing the same deal, then this track is a downpayment on the
>single instead.
Well, it didn't make the T100 last week, which strongly suggests it's
ineligible.
Paul Hyett
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>>>> Mid-60's on iTunes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Possibly not really enough then.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, Sweet About Me was also a slow-starter...
>>>
>>>> BTW, that Sure advert that features it, is back.
>>>
>>>And that might be a story in itself.
>>
>> You mean, the advert promoted the single, and now that it's well-known,
>> they figure it'll return the favour?
>
>Something like that, yeah.
BTW, I couldn't have bought her 'Save The Lies' single yesterday, even
if I'd wanted to - the local HMV was closed 'due to unforeseen
circumstances'...
She's #52 on the latest iTunes chart, so hopefully the addition of
physical sales to that with see it T40 overall.
On the subject of attractive young female singers, I see Colbie
Caillat's 'Bubbly' is already #50 on iTunes, 3 weeks before physical
re-release - I *really* hope it'll be a big hit this time...
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 at 21:40:48, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>Well, if you're going to do it at all, it makes sense to do it as soon
>>>>as
>>>>the album is on pre-order. For one thing, you probably don't want to
>>>>penalise the people who order it first, and of course getting the song
>>>>eight
>>>>weeks in advance is more tempting than getting it two weeks an advance.
>>>
>>> Sounds more like a punishment, to me. :)
>>
>>I know, but we're (possibly) talking about people who voluntarily
>>pre-order
>>an Oasis album.
>
> Masochists, you mean? :)
You could put it that way.
>>> In the specific case of Oasis though, the US factor is somewhat
>>> irrelevant, as their success there has been patchy.
>>
>>Interesting point actually - of course they're not anything like the
>>singles
>>act there that they are here, but they do seem to have a bit of a cult
>>following.
>
> Not a spelling mistake, by any chance? :)
I don't know them all personally.
>>All that said, however, I noticed from close perusal of the band's site
>>that
>>they were offering the *remix* of 'Falling Down' ahead of the single
>>bundle.
>>If iTunes are doing the same deal, then this track is a downpayment on the
>>single instead.
>
> Well, it didn't make the T100 last week, which strongly suggests it's
> ineligible.
Whether it's a downpayment on the single or the album, it's still not
eligible either way.
Chris