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Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 8, 2013, 8:02:01 AM4/8/13
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There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities.
Good riddance.
Roskt
I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities.
Good riddance.
Roskt
Sally Thompson
Apr 8, 2013, 8:09:32 AM4/8/13
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--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
eastender
Apr 8, 2013, 8:18:29 AM4/8/13
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Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 8, 2013, 8:19:15 AM4/8/13
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people. The world is well rid of her, as it was well rid of her chum
Pinochet. The company she kept says a lot. Is there one thing about
her to shed a tear for?
Excuse me while I go and dance in the streets in memory. I'm making no
apology for celebrating ridding the world of wickedness.
Roskt
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 8:41:08 AM4/8/13
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On Monday, April 8, 2013 1:19:15 PM UTC+1, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>
> > Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for the
wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good riddance.
> I don't usually respond to political anything, but shame on you.
> Why?
Well if you can't understand why - there is no point in dignifying your question with an answer.
> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>
> > Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for the
wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good riddance.
> I don't usually respond to political anything, but shame on you.
> Why?
[....]
Syd Rumpo
Apr 8, 2013, 8:45:13 AM4/8/13
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--
Syd
Peter Percival
Apr 8, 2013, 8:59:19 AM4/8/13
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people, she responded by bursting into song:
They tried to make me go to a prefab
but I said No! No! No!
Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 8, 2013, 9:10:36 AM4/8/13
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funeral, if only for Pete Postlethwaite's wonderful speech at the end
which says it all really and captures why I feel as I do today.
As it happens I've chosen to listen to the Grimethorpe Colliery Band
playing some cheerful and uplifting stuff. I couldn't think of anything
more apt, except perhaps Robert Wyatt/Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding,
which is next up.
Roskt
Sid Nuncius
Apr 8, 2013, 9:18:41 AM4/8/13
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reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
suffering.
Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
those very days her successors are bringing about the denial of more
basic arrangements to large numbers of ordinary people.
--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Marjorie
Apr 8, 2013, 9:24:37 AM4/8/13
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to say, but puts it much better than I ever could have. Thank you.
--
Marjorie
To reply, replace dontusethisaddress with marje
LFS
Apr 8, 2013, 9:31:12 AM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
Well put, Sid.
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
> a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
> the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
> suffering.
in terms of security as no doubt all these people who want to celebrate
her demise will wish to hurl rotten eggs at the cortege. An austerity
funeral would be rather more appropriate.
>
> Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
> comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
> the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
> those very days her successors are bringing about the denial of more
> basic arrangements to large numbers of ordinary people.
couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Peter Percival
Apr 8, 2013, 9:43:27 AM4/8/13
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Sid Nuncius wrote:
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
> She is
> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 9:52:16 AM4/8/13
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Thank you, Sid
Nick
vk
Apr 8, 2013, 9:55:25 AM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
Ralph B
Apr 8, 2013, 9:57:58 AM4/8/13
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(from http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ )
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 10:12:18 AM4/8/13
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On Monday, April 8, 2013 2:18:41 PM UTC+1, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
suffering.
Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
suffering.
Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
basic arrangements to large numbers of ordinary people.
I tend to agree with most of this; not sure about "dreadful damage"
that she did. Though, she made some significant mistakes, that's for sure,
but people who have no self doubt like her, are bound to be a mixed
bag of achievement and disaster.
You have expressed your opinion with great dignity - good man :-)
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 11:15:24 AM4/8/13
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In article <83c6a1ba-1565-4bfa...@googlegroups.com>,
Why does GG choose to only fade out a part of what I quote so often!!!
Grr! I don't wish to make any claim on Sid's eloquent words so may I
make it clear it should have been grey down "..... ordinary people".
Followed up on MT New Watcher which is more accurate :-)
--
Btms and anates asinus elect.
Grr! I don't wish to make any claim on Sid's eloquent words so may I
make it clear it should have been grey down "..... ordinary people".
Followed up on MT New Watcher which is more accurate :-)
--
Btms and anates asinus elect.
the Omrud
Apr 8, 2013, 10:38:11 AM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
> a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
> the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
> suffering.
I have a feeling that ex-PMs are entitled (by convention) to a state
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
> a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
> the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
> suffering.
funeral. All recent PMs have waived this right, as they do the Earldom
which I believe they are still entitled to by convention. Thatcher is
to be given a "ceremonial funeral", whatever that means - the only
difference I'm aware of is that it doesn't require a Parliamentary vote.
--
David
Kate Brown
Apr 8, 2013, 11:00:06 AM4/8/13
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Sid Nuncius wrote
You've said it all, dear Sid, yet again!
--
Kate B
PS nospam means nospam. But umra at cockaigne dot org dot uk will get through!
--
Kate B
PS nospam means nospam. But umra at cockaigne dot org dot uk will get through!
Martin Clark
Apr 8, 2013, 11:32:05 AM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:43, Peter Percival wrote:
> Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
> Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
She was... the People's Princess.
> Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
> Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
>> She is
>> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
>
> Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
--
Martin
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 1:08:41 PM4/8/13
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In article <asg683...@mid.individual.net>,
Neither of which are accurate an statement; I do so hate it when people
speak for me :-(
speak for me :-(
Serena Blanchflower
Apr 8, 2013, 1:18:51 PM4/8/13
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--
Cheers, Serena
Bring into God's light those emotions, attitudes and prejudices in
yourself which lie at the root of destructive conflict, acknowledging
your need for forgiveness and grace. (Quaker Advices and Queries #32)
Serena Blanchflower
Apr 8, 2013, 1:27:28 PM4/8/13
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* LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>
> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably
>
> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
because of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an
easier option. The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues
and I assume the family provided private carers and/or nurses.
At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
care.
--
Cheers, Serena
She had a pretty gift for quotation, which is a serviceable substitute
for wit. (W. Somerset Maugham)
Peter Percival
Apr 8, 2013, 1:33:33 PM4/8/13
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Martin Clark wrote:
>
> On 08/04/2013 14:43, Peter Percival wrote:
> > Sid Nuncius wrote:
> >
> >> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> >> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
> >
> > Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
>
> She was... the People's Princess.
future role. As she looked at Bashir through lowered eyelashes, I
thought: I know what you should be, an actress, and especially one in
the worst kinds of mellow drama.
> >> She is
> >> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> >> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
> >
> > Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
>
> She was... the People's Wicked Step-mother.
Jenny M Benson
Apr 8, 2013, 1:34:01 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 18:27, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
Possibly not common by then, but a great-aunt of mine lived in a hotel
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
for many years until the late 1990s when she became in need of more care.
--
Jenny M Benson
Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 8, 2013, 1:39:26 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/13 18:27, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
It still is, to a point, but there's a huge gulf between the Ritz and
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
the Netherwood, Grange-over-Sands.
Roskt
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 2:44:15 PM4/8/13
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Sid Nuncius
Apr 8, 2013, 1:45:20 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:43, Peter Percival wrote:
I most certainly do not think that what Margaret Thatcher did as Prime
Minister in the 1980s can be equated with what Winston Churchill did as
Prime Minister in the 1940s and which, quite rightly in my view, earned
him a state funeral.
I shall leave it at that because I do not intend to take part in any
discussion of Thatcher's policies and leadership. Minds have long been
made up on the subject and are not going to change. The only thing
produced by such discussions now is acrimony.
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 2:53:31 PM4/8/13
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In article <asge1f...@mid.individual.net>,
I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
is there not :-)
decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
is there not :-)
Dumrat
Apr 8, 2013, 2:02:44 PM4/8/13
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extra birthday present, though I know it's the wrong way to behave - the
Margaret Thatcher I loved to hate has been gone for many years now and
there is no point raking over the ashes of resentment at her long-gone
policies. I can imagine what it has been like for her and her family the
past few years, as I've a feeling my mother and she had similar ends and
I wouldn't wish that on anyone, however much I disagreed with their
politics :(
--
Salaam Alaykum,
Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Dumrat
Marjorie
Apr 8, 2013, 2:11:38 PM4/8/13
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live out their days, but people are much more independent and
self-reliant now. Large numbers of old people - almost all men, and a
good proportion of women in a certain social class - had never learned
to look after themselves, but had always been served by others - wives,
daughters, domestic servants etc.
Very few men ever had to cook and keep house for themselves, and it was
also common for women in my grandparents' generation to have a daughter
who stayed at home to look after them once they were widowed. Those who
didn't have a convenient daughter (or whose daughters all eventually got
married and left home) would sometimes move into a hotel, even though
they were mentally and physically capable - by today's standards - of
living independently.
LFS
Apr 8, 2013, 2:13:41 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 18:27, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> * LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
> I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably
> because of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier
> option. The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I
> assume the family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
>
Indeed, my grandparents lived in a hotel in Westcliff until Grandma died
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
> I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably
> because of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier
> option. The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I
> assume the family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
>
and Grandpa wanted to be back in London.
Arthur Lemming
Apr 8, 2013, 2:27:50 PM4/8/13
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"EllTee" <spam...@thetames.me.uk> wrote in message
news:spampoppy-E2143...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid...
signatures in the last four hours. Probably beside the point, as it's
not actually a state funeral, just a ceremonial one, and they need
100,000 signatures to have any hope of a debate, but I can
understand people wanting to register their disapproval.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966
Fred
Apr 8, 2013, 2:33:20 PM4/8/13
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>
> >> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>
> >> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
> Indeed, my grandparents lived in a hotel in Westcliff until Grandma died
>
> and Grandpa wanted to be back in London.
And wasn't there, recently, a woman who lived permanently on a cruise ship? She said that
> Indeed, my grandparents lived in a hotel in Westcliff until Grandma died
>
> and Grandpa wanted to be back in London.
the facilities were better than a nursing home and the costs were cheaper.
She was a left-pondian, as I recall.
Fred
dave xxxx
Apr 8, 2013, 2:33:28 PM4/8/13
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dave xxxx
Apr 8, 2013, 2:41:02 PM4/8/13
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480999/The-couple-stopped-Travelodge--stayed-22-years.html
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 3:50:12 PM4/8/13
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In article <p0E8t.603881$QJ6.3...@fx28.fr7>,
Disapproval of something that isn't happening - yes of course, jolly
good idea. It's kind of scary but at least I can doubt the signatories
are also DM readers :-)
good idea. It's kind of scary but at least I can doubt the signatories
are also DM readers :-)
Ralph B
Apr 8, 2013, 3:02:58 PM4/8/13
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between a state funeral and a ceremonial funeral? It wouldn't perhaps be a
name-swap sop to placate the peasants, would it?
Mike Page
Apr 8, 2013, 3:14:30 PM4/8/13
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Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> * LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
> I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably
> because of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier
> option. The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I
> assume the family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people who
> couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital care.
Many of these hotels were in seaside resorts and the old folk filled
> * LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
> I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably
> because of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier
> option. The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I
> assume the family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people who
> couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital care.
capacity outside the high season. In the summer they were moved out to the
'summer rooms' which were, one gathers, of much lower standard and somewhat
dreaded by the residents.
--
MJP
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 3:29:38 PM4/8/13
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Annette Funicello, 70 and Bigas Luna, 67.
Destined to be the Mother Theresas of April 8th, you chose an
unfortunate day to die. Maybe Matthew Bannister will remember you on
Friday
Nick
Destined to be the Mother Theresas of April 8th, you chose an
unfortunate day to die. Maybe Matthew Bannister will remember you on
Friday
Nick
Dr Nick
Apr 8, 2013, 3:33:01 PM4/8/13
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Peter Percival <peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid> writes:
> Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
I'd long thought was.
> Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
> Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
>
>
>> She is
>> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
>
>> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
>
> Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
I've come to the conclusion that it's my earliest memory, and not what
I'd long thought was.
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 3:37:32 PM4/8/13
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is available for anybody who cares to pay for it. The fact that the
government may chip in too, doesn't alter that.
Nick
Peter Percival
Apr 8, 2013, 3:39:11 PM4/8/13
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Dr Nick wrote:
>
> Peter Percival <peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid> writes:
> > Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that it's my earliest memory, and not what
> I'd long thought was.
You'd forgotten what your earliest memory was?
> Peter Percival <peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid> writes:
> > Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that it's my earliest memory, and not what
> I'd long thought was.
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 3:40:18 PM4/8/13
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onto another thread of the same name by Agent.
Nick
Serena Blanchflower
Apr 8, 2013, 3:49:51 PM4/8/13
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--
Cheers, Serena
Make the present moment into the most wonderful moment of your life
(Thich Nhat Hanh)
Sam Plusnet
Apr 8, 2013, 3:50:41 PM4/8/13
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In article <qv66m8t6bj3u5s03i...@4ax.com>,
ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com says...
An ignoranrat writes.
I thought that all funerals are ceremonial?
Disposal of human remains might not be ceremonial, but a funeral is
something more.
--
Sam
ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com says...
I thought that all funerals are ceremonial?
Disposal of human remains might not be ceremonial, but a funeral is
something more.
--
Sam
Andrew B
Apr 8, 2013, 3:51:03 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 20:29, Nick Odell wrote:
> Annette Funicello, 70
Linus will be very upset: http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1965/01/09
> Annette Funicello, 70
Linus will be very upset: http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1965/01/09
Sam Plusnet
Apr 8, 2013, 3:54:11 PM4/8/13
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In article <51631CDF...@btinternet.com.invalid>,
peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid says...
It can be hard to separate early memories from your memories of later
discussions of early events - IYSWIM.
"Do you remember setting fire to the town hall when you were three?"
sort of thing.
--
Sam
peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid says...
discussions of early events - IYSWIM.
"Do you remember setting fire to the town hall when you were three?"
sort of thing.
--
Sam
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 3:57:28 PM4/8/13
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If it were a State Funeral it would be hard not to give us all a
public holiday: televisions for the watching of. I suspect official
dogma would claim said holiday could put Britian into a triple-dip
recession and, apart from the irony, I don't think they will do that.
Nick
BrritSki
Apr 8, 2013, 3:59:24 PM4/8/13
to
cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
"The lady's not for burning.
The lady's not for interring"
Andrew B
Apr 8, 2013, 4:00:41 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
> On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
> 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
> reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
> dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
> I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
> a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
> the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
> suffering.
Peter Oborne wrote (I thought) quite a good article in the Telegraph
> a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
> the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
> suffering.
saying that, though he was a great admirer of MT, he didn't think she
should have a state funeral, because the purpose of state funerals is to
bring the nation together.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100125535/lady-thatcher-deserves-every-honour-%E2%80%93-apart-from-this-one/
Tony Bryer
Apr 8, 2013, 4:03:17 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:27:28 +0100 Serena Blanchflower wrote :
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
This has been reinvented by retirement homes that are hotels: an old
> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
> care.
friend of mine lives in a Sunrise home - he has his own one-bed flat
(lounge/kit, bed, bath) within the complex and they provide cleaning,
laundry and meals. Not cheap, I gather, but just what he needs. Perhaps
myself in 20 years time?
--
Tony B, OzRat, Melbourne
Tony Bryer
Apr 8, 2013, 4:03:18 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
> is there not :-)
Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
> is there not :-)
thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
minimum wage Poles.
Badriya
Apr 8, 2013, 4:32:36 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:18:41 +0100, Sid Nuncius
<matron....@tesco.net> wrote:
>On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
>25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
>reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
>dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
>I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
>I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
>an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
>a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
>the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
>suffering.
I agree with you about not cheering at her death but signed this
<matron....@tesco.net> wrote:
>On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>> riddance.
>
>25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
>reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
>dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping, but
>I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>
>I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She is
>an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that such
>a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
>the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
>suffering.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966
I don't think she should have a state funeral either.
Badriya
Apr 8, 2013, 4:34:06 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:43:27 +0100, Peter Percival
<peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
<peterTRAMSP...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>Sid Nuncius wrote:
>
>> I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>> status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why?
>
>Come to that, why was Princess Diana accorded that status of funeral?
>
>
>> She is
>> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
>
>> an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as, say
>> Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was.
>
>Do you recall Churchill's funeral? I mean there are precedents.
That was a special case and this raises much more mixed feelings.
Sam Plusnet
Apr 8, 2013, 5:06:01 PM4/8/13
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In article <lca6m8ta1fdi151v3...@4ax.com>,
vicky...@gmail.com says...
Churchill wasn't universally loved.
--
Sam
A Miner's son
vicky...@gmail.com says...
--
Sam
A Miner's son
Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 8, 2013, 5:17:18 PM4/8/13
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On 08/04/13 21:03, Tony Bryer wrote:
> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers,
Oh, is our Nick doing the arrangements? That'll be fun!
> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers,
Roskt
Badriya
Apr 8, 2013, 5:17:39 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:29:38 +0100, Nick Odell
<ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>Annette Funicello, 70 and Bigas Luna, 67.
I remember her, not him. She was in Disney films. Pineapple
<ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>Annette Funicello, 70 and Bigas Luna, 67.
Princess?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02oh5Ri4Y0
EllTee
Apr 8, 2013, 6:20:33 PM4/8/13
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In article <49a6m8p9j12th75qa...@4ax.com>,
Badriya <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
[....]
coming to town :-)
Badriya <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
[....]
>
> I agree with you about not cheering at her death but signed this
> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966
>
> I don't think she should have a state funeral either.
What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
> I agree with you about not cheering at her death but signed this
> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966
>
> I don't think she should have a state funeral either.
coming to town :-)
Badriya
Apr 8, 2013, 5:27:02 PM4/8/13
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same group of friends when I was at school and uni. There were two
sons, Clive and Neil, and I see Clive is still named as in charge. I
remember one time a large group of us went for a ride in a hearse. It
meant we could get several more in the vehicle :). There were no
seatbelt laws then.
Chris McMillan
Apr 8, 2013, 5:36:24 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:19:15 +0100, Rosalind Mitchell
<stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Why? She was a thoroughly wicked woman who hated and despised working
> people. The world is well rid of her, as it was well rid of her chum
> Pinochet. The company she kept says a lot. Is there one thing about
> her to shed a tear for?
>
To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
Sincerely Chris
--
http://www.chinavision.org.uk
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
<stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>>
>>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>>> the
>>> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>>> riddance.
>>>
>>
>> I don't usually respond to political anything, but shame on you.
>>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>>
>>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>>> the
>>> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
>>> riddance.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Why? She was a thoroughly wicked woman who hated and despised working
> people. The world is well rid of her, as it was well rid of her chum
> Pinochet. The company she kept says a lot. Is there one thing about
> her to shed a tear for?
>
To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
Sincerely Chris
--
http://www.chinavision.org.uk
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Chris McMillan
Apr 8, 2013, 5:40:20 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:03:17 +0100, Tony Bryer <to...@delme.greentram.com>
wrote:
Oh my late auntie lived in a Sunrise home. She was able to have her cat
with her. Not cheap indeed (but unlike me, some of my cousins have done
very well for themselves: I suspect they've done for their mum what their
dad didn't live long enough to do).
wrote:
with her. Not cheap indeed (but unlike me, some of my cousins have done
very well for themselves: I suspect they've done for their mum what their
dad didn't live long enough to do).
Chris McMillan
Apr 8, 2013, 5:43:30 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:33:28 +0100, dave xxxx
<davew...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday, 8 April 2013 14:31:12 UTC+1, LFS wrote:
>> On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>
>> in terms of security as no doubt all these people who want to celebrate
>>
>> her demise will wish to hurl rotten eggs at the cortege. An austerity
>>
>> funeral would be rather more appropriate.
>>
>> Laura (emulate St George for email)
>
> Many Big Hotels in London offer such service I needed treatment
> (radiotherapy) which was just during the day.......... but stayed in a
> Hotel rather than travel each day for six weeks ... that way the wife
> did not have to worry about me being on trains or worse having to drive
> each way. Some have there own Dr
Not just 'big hotels'. people living on the Channel Isle and the S.
Island have to come to Southampton for their cancer treatments and
obviously one doesn't go home to the CI overnight - you may not get
there! My bestest girlfriend is on the S Island and is having
radiotherapy at the mo, but because she's totally blind and has someone
take her over each day she decided it would be more comfortable and less
stressful (and her helpers can change about as necessary) to go home every
afternoon. Fortunately her case was a caught cells before they developed
so she's really only had to recover from the original day surgery and will
then just have the later stages of the radiotherapy to deal with (so far
so good after 8 sessions with Easter breaking it up.
<davew...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday, 8 April 2013 14:31:12 UTC+1, LFS wrote:
>> On 08/04/2013 14:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>
>> > On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> >> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>>
>> >> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities.
>> Good
>>
>> >> riddance.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 08/04/2013 13:02, Rosalind Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> >> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for
>>
>> >> the wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities.
>> Good
>>
>> >> riddance.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > 25 years ago I might have agreed with you. Perhaps now I have just
>>
>> > reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
>>
>> > dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping,
>> but
>>
>> > I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well put, Sid.
>>
>> > reached an age where any death makes me sad, in this case for the
>>
>> > dreadful damage she did and whose consequences we are still reaping,
>> but
>>
>> > I feel no elation at her death. It's done. Let her go.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>>
>> > status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana." Why? She
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am, however, appalled to hear that she is "to be accorded the same
>>
>> is
>>
>> > an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as,
>> say
>>
>>
>> > an ex-Prime Minister and should have the same status of funeral as,
>> say
>>
>> > Edward Heath of James Callahan, whatever that was. I do think that
>> such
>>
>> > a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
>>
>> > the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
>>
>> > suffering.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. And any funeral of this nature will be very costly, not least
>> such
>>
>> > a funeral will be desperately divisive and is a monstrous offence to
>>
>> > the places and families she on whom she and her ideology visited such
>>
>> > suffering.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> in terms of security as no doubt all these people who want to celebrate
>>
>> her demise will wish to hurl rotten eggs at the cortege. An austerity
>>
>> funeral would be rather more appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
>>
>> > comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
>>
>> > the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
>>
>> > those very days her successors are bringing about the denial of more
>>
>> > basic arrangements to large numbers of ordinary people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Also, I wish even MT a peaceful, dignified death but I note without
>>
>> > comment the irony of her last days being spent in the Ritz because of
>>
>> > the need for special arrangements to accommodate her needs while in
>>
>> > those very days her successors are bringing about the denial of more
>>
>> > basic arrangements to large numbers of ordinary people.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that she
>>
>> couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura (emulate St George for email)
>
> Many Big Hotels in London offer such service I needed treatment
> (radiotherapy) which was just during the day.......... but stayed in a
> Hotel rather than travel each day for six weeks ... that way the wife
> did not have to worry about me being on trains or worse having to drive
> each way. Some have there own Dr
Not just 'big hotels'. people living on the Channel Isle and the S.
Island have to come to Southampton for their cancer treatments and
obviously one doesn't go home to the CI overnight - you may not get
there! My bestest girlfriend is on the S Island and is having
radiotherapy at the mo, but because she's totally blind and has someone
take her over each day she decided it would be more comfortable and less
stressful (and her helpers can change about as necessary) to go home every
afternoon. Fortunately her case was a caught cells before they developed
so she's really only had to recover from the original day surgery and will
then just have the later stages of the radiotherapy to deal with (so far
so good after 8 sessions with Easter breaking it up.
Nick Leverton
Apr 8, 2013, 6:00:13 PM4/8/13
to
In article <kjvc03$lsu$1...@dont-email.me>,
Well I think we can start planning the afterparty .... we'll need a dance
floor with a suitable hole in the middle to lower the coffin through.
Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
floor with a suitable hole in the middle to lower the coffin through.
Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
Nick Leverton
Apr 8, 2013, 6:13:22 PM4/8/13
to
In article <spampoppy-6712B...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid>,
Whilst I don't speak for otherrats, most people who have an opinion on it
in other fora seem not to be concerned with whether it's a called a State
or merely a Ceremonial funeral, they're concerned with the spending of
public money that the country - we are repeatedly told - doesn't have,
on someone who was very far from universally respected or even liked by
the people who will end up paying for it.
in other fora seem not to be concerned with whether it's a called a State
or merely a Ceremonial funeral, they're concerned with the spending of
public money that the country - we are repeatedly told - doesn't have,
on someone who was very far from universally respected or even liked by
the people who will end up paying for it.
Robin Fairbairns
Apr 8, 2013, 6:26:43 PM4/8/13
to
>> [lots omitted]
well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
i really am trying to cut down, what with this >1600 post backlog and all
>
> I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
> cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
> "The lady's not for burning.
> The lady's not for interring"
to quote lff, who's working at t'other side of t'room...
> I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
> cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
> "The lady's not for burning.
> The lady's not for interring"
well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
i really am trying to cut down, what with this >1600 post backlog and all
Nick Odell
Apr 8, 2013, 6:33:59 PM4/8/13
to
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:00:13 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
<ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
>In article <kjvc03$lsu$1...@dont-email.me>,
>Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 08/04/13 21:03, Tony Bryer wrote:
>>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers,
>>
>>Oh, is our Nick doing the arrangements? That'll be fun!
>
>Well I think we can start planning the afterparty .... we'll need a dance
>floor with a suitable hole in the middle to lower the coffin through.
>
You may find yourself in dispute with those folk that want to place
<ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
>In article <kjvc03$lsu$1...@dont-email.me>,
>Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 08/04/13 21:03, Tony Bryer wrote:
>>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers,
>>
>>Oh, is our Nick doing the arrangements? That'll be fun!
>
>Well I think we can start planning the afterparty .... we'll need a dance
>floor with a suitable hole in the middle to lower the coffin through.
>
the urinals there.
Nick
Robin Fairbairns
Apr 8, 2013, 6:40:52 PM4/8/13
to
Marjorie <dontuseth...@springequinox.co.uk> writes:
> On 08/04/2013 18:34, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> for many years until the late 1990s when she became in need of more care.
>
> Hotels used to be a frequent choice of accommodation for old people to
> live out their days, but people are much more independent and
> self-reliant now. Large numbers of old people - almost all men, and a
> good proportion of women in a certain social class - had never learned
> to look after themselves, but had always been served by others -
> wives, daughters, domestic servants etc.
>
> Very few men ever had to cook and keep house for themselves, and it
> was also common for women in my grandparents' generation to have a
> daughter who stayed at home to look after them once they were
> widowed. Those who didn't have a convenient daughter (or whose
> daughters all eventually got married and left home) would sometimes
> move into a hotel, even though they were mentally and physically
> capable - by today's standards - of living independently.
my great grandmother moved into hastings after gt-grandfather died; not
long after, she became incapable of looking after herself, and moved
into a choice (sea view) room in a grand parade hotel. she seemed to be
well looked-after.
she had 7 sisters and one brother (or thereabouts), and most of them
were wandering around hastings at the same time. one used to walk
across the road with no more ceremony than sticking her furled brolly
straight up in the air; another "taught me shove-ha'penny" on the pier,
not demanding any money from me, and showing every sign of pride in
having given this lesson.
my grandmother was supported in her failing years by my uncle, who had
recently divorced his wife when he moved in. he made many friends, in
his enterprise, who *all* wanted to come to his memorial service. not a
small church, standing room only
> On 08/04/2013 18:34, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 08/04/2013 18:27, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>
>>> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
>>> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
>>> care.
>>
>> Possibly not common by then, but a great-aunt of mine lived in a hotel
>>>
>>> At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
>>> who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
>>> care.
>>
>> for many years until the late 1990s when she became in need of more care.
>
> Hotels used to be a frequent choice of accommodation for old people to
> live out their days, but people are much more independent and
> self-reliant now. Large numbers of old people - almost all men, and a
> good proportion of women in a certain social class - had never learned
> to look after themselves, but had always been served by others -
> wives, daughters, domestic servants etc.
>
> Very few men ever had to cook and keep house for themselves, and it
> was also common for women in my grandparents' generation to have a
> daughter who stayed at home to look after them once they were
> widowed. Those who didn't have a convenient daughter (or whose
> daughters all eventually got married and left home) would sometimes
> move into a hotel, even though they were mentally and physically
> capable - by today's standards - of living independently.
my great grandmother moved into hastings after gt-grandfather died; not
long after, she became incapable of looking after herself, and moved
into a choice (sea view) room in a grand parade hotel. she seemed to be
well looked-after.
she had 7 sisters and one brother (or thereabouts), and most of them
were wandering around hastings at the same time. one used to walk
across the road with no more ceremony than sticking her furled brolly
straight up in the air; another "taught me shove-ha'penny" on the pier,
not demanding any money from me, and showing every sign of pride in
having given this lesson.
my grandmother was supported in her failing years by my uncle, who had
recently divorced his wife when he moved in. he made many friends, in
his enterprise, who *all* wanted to come to his memorial service. not a
small church, standing room only
Arthur Lemming
Apr 8, 2013, 7:08:30 PM4/8/13
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"Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
You're not alone. This e-petition closed in October with over 33,000
signatures.
"In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves
nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal
way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of
liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded."
news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
signatures.
"In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves
nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal
way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of
liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded."
a l l y
Apr 8, 2013, 7:20:45 PM4/8/13
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>"Chris McMillan" wrote in message
>news:op.wu8rm...@christine-mcmillans-imac.local...
liked dogs.
ally
>news:op.wu8rm...@christine-mcmillans-imac.local...
>>
>To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
>Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
>man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
>
Well, I guess everybody deserves /one/ redeeming quality. I believe Hitler
>To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
>Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
>man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
>
liked dogs.
ally
Ralph B
Apr 9, 2013, 12:50:28 AM4/9/13
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"Arthur Lemming" <a.le...@virgin.net> wrote:
> "Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
> news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
>>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>>> is there not :-)
>>
>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
>> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
>> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
>> minimum wage Poles.
>
> You're not alone. This e-petition closed in October with over 33,000
> signatures.
>
> "In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
> funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
> offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
Stakeholders, eh? Best to be sure, I suppose.
> "Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
> news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
>>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>>> is there not :-)
>>
>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
>> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
>> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
>> minimum wage Poles.
>
> You're not alone. This e-petition closed in October with over 33,000
> signatures.
>
> "In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
> funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
> offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
Dr Nick
Apr 9, 2013, 2:17:24 AM4/9/13
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opportunity for some political satire here is too great to be ignored.
We could have an enormously complicated tender process and - six months
after we started - scrap it all and start again.
the Omrud
Apr 9, 2013, 4:29:17 AM4/9/13
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On 08/04/2013 22:17, Badriya wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:29:38 +0100, Nick Odell
> <ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> Annette Funicello, 70 and Bigas Luna, 67.
>
> I remember her, not him. She was in Disney films. Pineapple
> Princess?
I know her name only because she is mentioned in Ariel, by Dean Friedman.
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:29:38 +0100, Nick Odell
> <ni...@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> Annette Funicello, 70 and Bigas Luna, 67.
>
> I remember her, not him. She was in Disney films. Pineapple
> Princess?
--
David
RipeCrisbies
Apr 9, 2013, 4:30:03 AM4/9/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:27:50 +0100, Arthur Lemming wrote:
> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
> signatures in the last four hours.
Now at 24,000.
> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
> signatures in the last four hours.
Whatever you political views you have to acknowledge that she was a prime
minister. And after death as in life a most divisive one.
Seriously though, it's always sad for the family when a mum/grandma dies.
Charlie.
--
M0WYM
www.radiowymsey.org
Sales @ radiowymsey
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sales-At-Radio-Wymsey/
RipeCrisbies
Apr 9, 2013, 4:40:53 AM4/9/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:20:33 +0000, EllTee wrote:
> What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
> coming to town
I put on dark glasses and popped over to the DM website where I found
> What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
> coming to town
this:
MAILONLINE AND DAILY MAIL CAMPAIGN: HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
at 10 Downing Street
Charlie
Apr 9, 2013, 4:48:42 AM4/9/13
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On 09/04/2013 09:30, RipeCrisbies wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:27:50 +0100, Arthur Lemming wrote:
>
>> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
>> signatures in the last four hours.
>
> Now at 24,000.
What a waste of electrons. It was never going to happen. There was no
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:27:50 +0100, Arthur Lemming wrote:
>
>> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
>> signatures in the last four hours.
>
> Now at 24,000.
state planting for <counts off on fingers> Atlee, Eden, Macmillan,
Douglas-Home, Wilson, Heath or Callaghan. There will be none for Blair,
Brown or Cameron. Churchill was exceptional. Thatcher wasn't.
EllTee
Apr 9, 2013, 6:07:19 AM4/9/13
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In article <kk0k6l$au5$3...@dont-email.me>,
all round I fear.
RipeCrisbies <Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:20:33 +0000, EllTee wrote:
>
> > What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
> > coming to town
>
> I put on dark glasses and popped over to the DM website where I found
> this:
>
> MAILONLINE AND DAILY MAIL CAMPAIGN: HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
>
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
What courage :-) Welcome back. It is going to get sillier and sillier
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:20:33 +0000, EllTee wrote:
>
> > What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
> > coming to town
>
> I put on dark glasses and popped over to the DM website where I found
> this:
>
> MAILONLINE AND DAILY MAIL CAMPAIGN: HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
>
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
all round I fear.
Tony Bryer
Apr 9, 2013, 5:23:56 AM4/9/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:40:53 +0000 (UTC) RipeCrisbies wrote :
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
As the Mail consistently reminds its readers, this government endlessly
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
puts two fingers up to them so why bother?
the Omrud
Apr 9, 2013, 5:42:01 AM4/9/13
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--
David
the Omrud
Apr 9, 2013, 5:43:39 AM4/9/13
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On 08/04/2013 20:02, Ralph B wrote:
> Can this higgorant hexpatriate enquire as to the functional difference
> between a state funeral and a ceremonial funeral? It wouldn't perhaps be a
> name-swap sop to placate the peasants, would it?
A state funeral must be approved by parliament (not sure of the form
this takes).
--
David
> Can this higgorant hexpatriate enquire as to the functional difference
> between a state funeral and a ceremonial funeral? It wouldn't perhaps be a
> name-swap sop to placate the peasants, would it?
A state funeral must be approved by parliament (not sure of the form
this takes).
--
David
Robin Fairbairns
Apr 9, 2013, 6:07:44 AM4/9/13
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RipeCrisbies <Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> writes:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:20:33 +0000, EllTee wrote:
>
>> What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
>> coming to town
>
> I put on dark glasses and popped over to the DM website where I found
> this:
>
> MAILONLINE AND DAILY MAIL CAMPAIGN: HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
>
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
why am i not surprised?
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:20:33 +0000, EllTee wrote:
>
>> What on earth for! She isn't having one. I think the circus must be
>> coming to town
>
> I put on dark glasses and popped over to the DM website where I found
> this:
>
> MAILONLINE AND DAILY MAIL CAMPAIGN: HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
>
> If you believe Lady Thatcher deserves a state funeral, and want the
> Government to know, just sign this online petition or print out the form
> below and send it to us. We will pass it to the Prime Minister's office
> at 10 Downing Street
i wonder if they'll do the same for blair? (they didn't for wislon...)
Robin Fairbairns
Apr 9, 2013, 6:10:52 AM4/9/13
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"Chris McMillan" <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:19:15 +0100, Rosalind Mitchell
> <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>>>
>>>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception
>>>> for the
>>>> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and
>>>> communities. Good riddance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't usually respond to political anything, but shame on you.
>>
>> Why? She was a thoroughly wicked woman who hated and despised
>> working people. The world is well rid of her, as it was well rid of
>> her chum Pinochet. The company she kept says a lot. Is there one
>> thing about her to shed a tear for?
>
> To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing
> Mr Whippy ice cream.
it's those langmuir-blodget[sp?] films, iirc.
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:19:15 +0100, Rosalind Mitchell
> <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08/04/13 13:09, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Rosalind Mitchell <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>>>>
>>>> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception
>>>> for the
>>>> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and
>>>> communities. Good riddance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't usually respond to political anything, but shame on you.
>>
>> Why? She was a thoroughly wicked woman who hated and despised
>> working people. The world is well rid of her, as it was well rid of
>> her chum Pinochet. The company she kept says a lot. Is there one
>> thing about her to shed a tear for?
>
> To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing
> Mr Whippy ice cream.
> I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice
> cream man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
i really am trying to cut down, what with this >1000 post backlog and all
Tony Bryer
Apr 9, 2013, 6:13:43 AM4/9/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:27:02 +0100 Badriya wrote :
> Is that this firm http://www.levertons.co.uk/ ? We were in the
> same group of friends when I was at school and uni. There were two
> sons, Clive and Neil, and I see Clive is still named as in charge. I
> remember one time a large group of us went for a ride in a hearse. It
> meant we could get several more in the vehicle :). There were no
> seatbelt laws then.
Yes, that be them. From 1928-1991 top people's undertaker J.H.Kenyon was
> Is that this firm http://www.levertons.co.uk/ ? We were in the
> same group of friends when I was at school and uni. There were two
> sons, Clive and Neil, and I see Clive is still named as in charge. I
> remember one time a large group of us went for a ride in a hearse. It
> meant we could get several more in the vehicle :). There were no
> seatbelt laws then.
the royal undertaker, but when the firm passed into corporate hands (now
being part of Dignity plc) they lost their warrant and Mr L took over -
apparently the royals only appoint individuals, not corporations.
Very noticeable that they make no mention of this on their website -
presumably the moment they tried to trade on royal connections, they
would lose them. Looked on the price list (kudos to them for putting one
on their website) for gun carriages but couldn't find a mention :)
Badriya
Apr 9, 2013, 6:25:30 AM4/9/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:30:03 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies
<Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:27:50 +0100, Arthur Lemming wrote:
>
>> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
>> signatures in the last four hours.
>
>Now at 24,000.
>
>Whatever you political views you have to acknowledge that she was a prime
>minister. And after death as in life a most divisive one.
>
>Seriously though, it's always sad for the family when a mum/grandma dies.
>
>
>
>Charlie.
Actually I wish I hadn't signed now. She apparently said she didn't
<Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:27:50 +0100, Arthur Lemming wrote:
>
>> An e-petition against a state funeral has gone from 6,000 to 16,000
>> signatures in the last four hours.
>
>Now at 24,000.
>
>Whatever you political views you have to acknowledge that she was a prime
>minister. And after death as in life a most divisive one.
>
>Seriously though, it's always sad for the family when a mum/grandma dies.
>
>
>
>Charlie.
want one anyway but wanted a ceremonial one and governemnt ministers
five years ago, so Labour, consulted with her to plan it. It sounds
pretty much what a state one would be anyway. But she didn't want a
fly past so as to save money, which was part of my reason for signing.
Badriya
Apr 9, 2013, 6:33:38 AM4/9/13
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at today's prices. Seriously, has any umrat done that?
I got a shock when my mum died as she's always told me she had paid
for the plot in the Jewish cemetary next to my dad's. They had no
record of this and I had no paperwork and so had to pay for a plot,
which was not next to dad's as that was taken, and which was a
financial shock. I could pay but was surprised at how much it was. I
had to use two credit cards, it was too high for one and I hadn't
taken cash.
This made me wonder whether I should sort out my own funeral and
burial in advance. Only thing is I am not sure where to go :). I
don't mean which funeral director, I could go to the Co-op who did mum
and were good. The Jewish cemetary does most of the body preparation,
casket and service. I'd just have to decide if that is what I want.
Cometo think of it Leverton's prices didn't include the plot and it
probably comes to at least the same.
Badriya
Apr 9, 2013, 6:34:27 AM4/9/13
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Nazis?
the Omrud
Apr 9, 2013, 6:51:27 AM4/9/13
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On 09/04/2013 11:34, Badriya wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:20:45 +0100, "a l l y"
> <al...@situponTAKETHEDOGGIEOUTseats.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> "Chris McMillan" wrote in message
>>> news:op.wu8rm...@christine-mcmillans-imac.local...
>>>>
>>> To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
>>> Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
>>> man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I guess everybody deserves /one/ redeeming quality. I believe Hitler
>> liked dogs.
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:20:45 +0100, "a l l y"
> <al...@situponTAKETHEDOGGIEOUTseats.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> "Chris McMillan" wrote in message
>>> news:op.wu8rm...@christine-mcmillans-imac.local...
>>>>
>>> To quote Martin Clark of this parish. She was involved in inventing Mr
>>> Whippy ice cream. I must go and tell my lovely friendly local ice cream
>>> man tomorrow - I have no doubt he'll hoot with laughter.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I guess everybody deserves /one/ redeeming quality. I believe Hitler
>> liked dogs.
>
> Does this come under the Umbrella rule? The one about once you mention
> Nazis?
Godwin's Law. The Law states that any long online discussion will
> Nazis?
eventually involve a comparison with the Nazis or Hitler.
There's a corollary which suggests that whoever does this has
automatically lost the argument.
David
Ralph B
Apr 9, 2013, 6:56:37 AM4/9/13
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Tony Bryer <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:27:02 +0100 Badriya wrote :
>> Is that this firm http://www.levertons.co.uk/ ? We were in the
>> same group of friends when I was at school and uni. There were two
>> sons, Clive and Neil, and I see Clive is still named as in charge. I
>> remember one time a large group of us went for a ride in a hearse. It
>> meant we could get several more in the vehicle :). There were no
>> seatbelt laws then.
>
> Yes, that be them. From 1928-1991 top people's undertaker J.H.Kenyon was
> the royal undertaker, but when the firm passed into corporate hands (now
> being part of Dignity plc) they lost their warrant and Mr L took over -
> apparently the royals only appoint individuals, not corporations.
>
> Very noticeable that they make no mention of this on their website -
> presumably the moment they tried to trade on royal connections, they
> would lose them.
You're not suggesting _they_ killed Diana, are you?
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:27:02 +0100 Badriya wrote :
>> Is that this firm http://www.levertons.co.uk/ ? We were in the
>> same group of friends when I was at school and uni. There were two
>> sons, Clive and Neil, and I see Clive is still named as in charge. I
>> remember one time a large group of us went for a ride in a hearse. It
>> meant we could get several more in the vehicle :). There were no
>> seatbelt laws then.
>
> Yes, that be them. From 1928-1991 top people's undertaker J.H.Kenyon was
> the royal undertaker, but when the firm passed into corporate hands (now
> being part of Dignity plc) they lost their warrant and Mr L took over -
> apparently the royals only appoint individuals, not corporations.
>
> Very noticeable that they make no mention of this on their website -
> presumably the moment they tried to trade on royal connections, they
> would lose them.
> Looked on the price list (kudos to them for putting one
> on their website) for gun carriages but couldn't find a mention :)
Rosalind Mitchell
Apr 9, 2013, 7:15:58 AM4/9/13
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On 09/04/13 11:51, the Omrud wrote:
> Godwin's Law. The Law states that any long online discussion will
> eventually involve a comparison with the Nazis or Hitler.
>
> There's a corollary which suggests that whoever does this has
> automatically lost the argument.
Strictly speaking I believe it should really be Godwin's Conjecture. Mr
> Godwin's Law. The Law states that any long online discussion will
> eventually involve a comparison with the Nazis or Hitler.
>
> There's a corollary which suggests that whoever does this has
> automatically lost the argument.
Godwin was a bit full of himself, I suspect.
Roskt
the Omrud
Apr 9, 2013, 7:22:29 AM4/9/13
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course. Newton was right, but only up to a point.
I wonder if Godwin was rather surprised to have it taken up so widely.
--
David
Nick Leverton
Apr 9, 2013, 7:26:50 AM4/9/13
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In article <kk0t4i$fql$2...@dont-email.me>,
It's tempting to compare it with Hitler's handing down of arbitrary laws ...
Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
Liz3Turn
Apr 9, 2013, 8:01:44 AM4/9/13
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On 8 Apr, 23:26, Robin Fairbairns <r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKE...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On 08/04/2013 21:50, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >> [lots omitted]
>
> > I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
> > cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
> > "The lady's not for burning.
> > The lady's not for interring"
>
> to quote lff, who's working at t'other side of t'room...
>
> well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
If they are going to embalm her they had better get on with it PDQ
otherwise it won't be
successful.
LizJ
> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKE...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On 08/04/2013 21:50, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >> [lots omitted]
>
> > I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
> > cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
> > "The lady's not for burning.
> > The lady's not for interring"
>
> to quote lff, who's working at t'other side of t'room...
>
> well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
If they are going to embalm her they had better get on with it PDQ
otherwise it won't be
successful.
LizJ
Liz3Turn
Apr 9, 2013, 8:12:21 AM4/9/13
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On 8 Apr, 19:02, Dumrat <Duum...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
> Margaret Thatcher I loved to hate has been gone for many years now and
> there is no point raking over the ashes of resentment at her long-gone
> policies. I can imagine what it has been like for her and her family the
> past few years, as I've a feeling my mother and she had similar ends and
> I wouldn't wish that on anyone, however much I disagreed with their
> politics :(
And has anyone who is gloating over her death given a thought to her
grandchild/ren?
How would any of you feel if there was such a vocal attack on your
grandmother?
Especially if you couldn't respond because of all the noise being made
celebrating
her death.
Whatever any of you think of MT have a thought for her family - they
aren't responsible for
what their mother/grandmother did.
LizJ
snip
> Margaret Thatcher I loved to hate has been gone for many years now and
> there is no point raking over the ashes of resentment at her long-gone
> policies. I can imagine what it has been like for her and her family the
> past few years, as I've a feeling my mother and she had similar ends and
> I wouldn't wish that on anyone, however much I disagreed with their
> politics :(
And has anyone who is gloating over her death given a thought to her
grandchild/ren?
How would any of you feel if there was such a vocal attack on your
grandmother?
Especially if you couldn't respond because of all the noise being made
celebrating
her death.
Whatever any of you think of MT have a thought for her family - they
aren't responsible for
what their mother/grandmother did.
LizJ
Martin Clark
Apr 9, 2013, 8:15:55 AM4/9/13
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On 08/04/2013 23:26, Robin Fairbairns wrote:
--
Martin
> BrritSki<rtilbur...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 08/04/2013 21:50, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> [lots omitted]
>>
>> I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
>> cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
>> "The lady's not for burning.
>> The lady's not for interring"
>
> to quote lff, who's working at t'other side of t'room...
>
> well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
Has the taxidermist been booked?
>
>> On 08/04/2013 21:50, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> [lots omitted]
>>
>> I understand there's a bit of a problem because her will specifies no
>> cremation nor a burial. The final two lines are.
>> "The lady's not for burning.
>> The lady's not for interring"
>
> to quote lff, who's working at t'other side of t'room...
>
> well, she's stuffed then, isn't she?
--
Martin
Alex
Apr 9, 2013, 8:19:47 AM4/9/13
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"Rosalind Mitchell" <stea...@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kjubev$qt7$1...@dont-email.me...
> There's be dancing in the streets of Barnsley tonight.
>
> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for the
> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
> riddance.
>
> Roskt
>
> I seldom gloat over a death but I'll cheerfully make an exception for the
> wicked old baggage who destroyed so many lives and communities. Good
> riddance.
>
You may be a bit premature. Atos have just passed her fit for work.
Alex
a l l y
Apr 9, 2013, 8:54:09 AM4/9/13
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>>"the Omrud" wrote in message news:ApS8t.322755$Q01....@fx13.fr7...
Well of course I only mentioned it because I'd forgotten the name, Godwin.
Thanks for the reminder.
And besides, I try to avoid arguments, because I always lose.
ally
Thanks for the reminder.
And besides, I try to avoid arguments, because I always lose.
ally
a l l y
Apr 9, 2013, 8:58:11 AM4/9/13
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>"Serena Blanchflower" wrote in message
> >news:GJmdnSKozPGdY__M...@brightview.co.uk...
>* LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
>I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably because
>of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier option.
>The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I assume the
>family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
>At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
>>who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
>care.
>
When I was a little girl, my best pal was the daughter of a lady who ran a
"private residential hotel" just round the corner from us, where a variety
of elderly ladies dwelt in just such a manner. I sometimes wonder what they
made of pal's mum's poodle-breeding activities that went on in her private
quarters, or the very loud, blind Alsation that terrified me every time I
went to visit.
I liked going there, though, because the house was haunted.
ally
> >news:GJmdnSKozPGdY__M...@brightview.co.uk...
>* LFS wrote, On 08/04/2013 14:31:
>>
>> I had no idea that the Ritz had private nursing facilities. Odd that
>> she couldn't be cared for at home or in hospital.
>
>
>I assume that her house wasn't practical for an invalid - probably because
>of accessibility problems, and a suite in the Ritz was an easier option.
>The Ritz would deal with all the housekeeping issues and I assume the
>family provided private carers and/or nurses.
>
>At one time, living in a hotel was a common option for elderly people
>>who couldn't manage to live independently but who didn't need hospital
>care.
>
When I was a little girl, my best pal was the daughter of a lady who ran a
"private residential hotel" just round the corner from us, where a variety
of elderly ladies dwelt in just such a manner. I sometimes wonder what they
made of pal's mum's poodle-breeding activities that went on in her private
quarters, or the very loud, blind Alsation that terrified me every time I
went to visit.
I liked going there, though, because the house was haunted.
ally
Nick Odell
Apr 9, 2013, 9:46:24 AM4/9/13
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On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:25:30 +0100, Badriya <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Can't you "unsign" electronic petitions in the same way that I've been
told you can "unfriend" people on Facebook?
Nick
wrote:
told you can "unfriend" people on Facebook?
Nick
Marjorie
Apr 9, 2013, 9:49:19 AM4/9/13
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On 08/04/2013 21:03, Tony Bryer wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>> is there not :-)
>
> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
> minimum wage Poles.
>
I like your thinking! Yes of course it should, and Maggie herself would
surely endorse this idea, were she in state to do so.
--
Marjorie
To reply, replace dontusethisaddress with marje
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>> is there not :-)
>
> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
> minimum wage Poles.
>
I like your thinking! Yes of course it should, and Maggie herself would
surely endorse this idea, were she in state to do so.
--
Marjorie
To reply, replace dontusethisaddress with marje
Marjorie
Apr 9, 2013, 9:52:05 AM4/9/13
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On 09/04/2013 05:50, Ralph B wrote:
> "Arthur Lemming" <a.le...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> "Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
>> news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
>> signatures.
>>
>> "In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
>> funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
>> offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
>
> Stakeholders, eh? Best to be sure, I suppose.
>
:-)
> "Arthur Lemming" <a.le...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> "Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
>> news:VA.00004cc...@delme.greentram.com...
>>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:53:31 +0000 EllTee wrote :
>>>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>>>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>>>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>>>> is there not :-)
>>>
>>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
>>> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
>>> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
>>> minimum wage Poles.
>>
>> You're not alone. This e-petition closed in October with over 33,000
>>>> I agree with both points here. I am not sure what criteria is used to
>>>> decide the sort of funeral an ex PM gets but given her privatisation
>>>> bit, the idea of a state funeral amuses me; there is some irony in this
>>>> is there not :-)
>>>
>>> Presumably it will be Levertons, the Royal undertakers, but I can't help
>>> thinking that the appropriate course of action would be competitive
>>> tendering and give it to the cheapest firm, even if they're staffed by
>>> minimum wage Poles.
>>
>> signatures.
>>
>> "In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state
>> funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to
>> offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.
>
> Stakeholders, eh? Best to be sure, I suppose.
>
:-)
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