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Brad Guth
Jan 30, 2013, 4:36:44 PM1/30/13
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Using our planet as the prototype is perhaps not going to represent a
good example of how best to terraform. However, Darwin proved that
you can selectively terraform a relatively barren and isolated island
that’s geologically newish and considered by most as nearly worthless,
such as Ascension Island with hardly any topsoil and essentially
offering little or no truly original biodiversity, by systematically
transforming parts of it into a tropical Eden, accommodating more
biodiversity per given area than most anywhere on Earth.
Perhaps terraforming should be renamed: darwinforming
Therefore, once we’ve perfected our interplanetary space travels, or
at least for that of robotically transferring a few pods of complex
spores of life as we know it, whereas there’s a pretty darn good
chance that at least 0.1% of that effort is going to pay off by way of
those few microbes and larger forms of life from Earth having managed
to adapt and survive all on their own, whereas the purely random-
happenstance of any natural process creating truly original life is
most highly unlikely unless intelligent design gets involved. With
any luck and via direct intervention by those of the necessary
astrobiology expertise, seems that a 90% success rate of introduced
biodiversity making a go of it could be achieved with selective
microbes, insects, plants and animals capable of thriving in their new
biodiversity environment.
Even microbial saturated sea-foams of phytoplankton consisting of
bacteria and/or fungi spores could be expected to adapt along with an
assortment of diatoms that’ll mutate and replicate quickly in order to
survive. Because without these little guys there’s not much sense in
going with anything of a larger physiological impact, unless
considering their demise as contributing to the microbial assortment
of what darwinforming of any scale is eventually going to require.
Of course this method of directed panspermia and/or via direct
intervention represents an alternative as to how Earth could have been
seeded and thus terraformed by others, as God’s or simply intelligent
design performing what some would only accept as a purely natural
random happenstance process, or simply instead as having been
accomplished by those of similar capability to our space travel
expertise. However, due to the ongoing expansion of space and
otherwise the proper motion of stars passing nearby and moving on,
could easily represent a practical limitation as to why our planet is
ever getting a return visit by those responsible for having at least
supplied some of the complex biodiversity that subsequently evolved,
that’s both good and bad for us as being stuck here.
We also know from direct trial and error, that often our best
intentions of biodiversity interventions are deficient and/or
dysfunctional, because we had not taken enough into account, whereas
the transfer and introduction of different kinds of life intended to
rebalance an environment have at times done more damage than good.
Therefore, doing this as terraforming another planet or one of its
moons is going to be at least a thousand fold more complex unless a
sufficient astrobiology staff or team of expertise can stay on
location in order to refine and work out the bugs, and of course this
means we have to develop our interplanetary expertise to a much higher
lever than what we currently have (short of allowing one-way missions
that could be remotely sustained until EOL, but never brought back
home).
This isn’t a replacement creation thing, so much as offering a
perfectly logical can-do or trial-and-error method of intelligent
design simply expanding the survivable horizons for those of us or ET
Goldilocks to try out, or fall back on should their world turn out as
badly overpopulated and resource depleted as Earth, as simply worth
doing if only one out of ten selected planets manages to sustain any
imported life. At least we know that an open and positive/
constructive mindset like Darwin could manage to pull this off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island
http://www.globalwhisperer.com/2010/09/ascension-island-darwins-best-kept-secret/
“It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
to offer?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
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good example of how best to terraform. However, Darwin proved that
you can selectively terraform a relatively barren and isolated island
that’s geologically newish and considered by most as nearly worthless,
such as Ascension Island with hardly any topsoil and essentially
offering little or no truly original biodiversity, by systematically
transforming parts of it into a tropical Eden, accommodating more
biodiversity per given area than most anywhere on Earth.
Perhaps terraforming should be renamed: darwinforming
Therefore, once we’ve perfected our interplanetary space travels, or
at least for that of robotically transferring a few pods of complex
spores of life as we know it, whereas there’s a pretty darn good
chance that at least 0.1% of that effort is going to pay off by way of
those few microbes and larger forms of life from Earth having managed
to adapt and survive all on their own, whereas the purely random-
happenstance of any natural process creating truly original life is
most highly unlikely unless intelligent design gets involved. With
any luck and via direct intervention by those of the necessary
astrobiology expertise, seems that a 90% success rate of introduced
biodiversity making a go of it could be achieved with selective
microbes, insects, plants and animals capable of thriving in their new
biodiversity environment.
Even microbial saturated sea-foams of phytoplankton consisting of
bacteria and/or fungi spores could be expected to adapt along with an
assortment of diatoms that’ll mutate and replicate quickly in order to
survive. Because without these little guys there’s not much sense in
going with anything of a larger physiological impact, unless
considering their demise as contributing to the microbial assortment
of what darwinforming of any scale is eventually going to require.
Of course this method of directed panspermia and/or via direct
intervention represents an alternative as to how Earth could have been
seeded and thus terraformed by others, as God’s or simply intelligent
design performing what some would only accept as a purely natural
random happenstance process, or simply instead as having been
accomplished by those of similar capability to our space travel
expertise. However, due to the ongoing expansion of space and
otherwise the proper motion of stars passing nearby and moving on,
could easily represent a practical limitation as to why our planet is
ever getting a return visit by those responsible for having at least
supplied some of the complex biodiversity that subsequently evolved,
that’s both good and bad for us as being stuck here.
We also know from direct trial and error, that often our best
intentions of biodiversity interventions are deficient and/or
dysfunctional, because we had not taken enough into account, whereas
the transfer and introduction of different kinds of life intended to
rebalance an environment have at times done more damage than good.
Therefore, doing this as terraforming another planet or one of its
moons is going to be at least a thousand fold more complex unless a
sufficient astrobiology staff or team of expertise can stay on
location in order to refine and work out the bugs, and of course this
means we have to develop our interplanetary expertise to a much higher
lever than what we currently have (short of allowing one-way missions
that could be remotely sustained until EOL, but never brought back
home).
This isn’t a replacement creation thing, so much as offering a
perfectly logical can-do or trial-and-error method of intelligent
design simply expanding the survivable horizons for those of us or ET
Goldilocks to try out, or fall back on should their world turn out as
badly overpopulated and resource depleted as Earth, as simply worth
doing if only one out of ten selected planets manages to sustain any
imported life. At least we know that an open and positive/
constructive mindset like Darwin could manage to pull this off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island
http://www.globalwhisperer.com/2010/09/ascension-island-darwins-best-kept-secret/
“It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
to offer?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
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Venus”,GuthVenus
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Jan 31, 2013, 5:13:29 PM1/31/13
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On Jan 30, 1:36 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Using our planet as the prototype is perhaps not going to represent a
> good example of how best to terraform. However, Darwin proved that
> you can selectively terraform a relatively barren and isolated island
> that’s geologically newish and considered by most as nearly worthless,
> such as Ascension Island with hardly any topsoil and essentially
> offering little or no truly original biodiversity, by systematically
> transforming parts of it into a tropical Eden, accommodating more
> biodiversity per given area than most anywhere on Earth.
Darwin proved that?
> Using our planet as the prototype is perhaps not going to represent a
> good example of how best to terraform. However, Darwin proved that
> you can selectively terraform a relatively barren and isolated island
> that’s geologically newish and considered by most as nearly worthless,
> such as Ascension Island with hardly any topsoil and essentially
> offering little or no truly original biodiversity, by systematically
> transforming parts of it into a tropical Eden, accommodating more
> biodiversity per given area than most anywhere on Earth.
> “It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
> to offer?
Venus is a hell hole! It might as well be where the damned go when
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
> to offer?
they die.
> Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
> as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
> using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
> mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
> too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
> variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
> filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
> end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
>
> “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
> Venus”,GuthVenus
Double-A
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2013, 12:52:37 AM2/1/13
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You'd have to be smart if going to Venus, so that lets you off the
hook.
Warhol
Feb 1, 2013, 6:31:11 AM2/1/13
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at least you need another 20 million of years before the first man can
set foot there... so we all are all struck here for so long and
nowhere to go... Mars is to cold and Venus is to hot for man to
survive...
And this world has only for 50 years to go before *the real shit hits
the fan*... Only surrender to my Zaouia and be so saved of that
50years final deadline... when the ice caps will be gone, life will go
to... I and My Gran'Da'Dy are the only two who have the great secret
how to save this world from certain doom until we all can migrate to
Venus(Heaven)... but you all know my RANSOM condition... or else I
wont save this world of her own annihilation.
Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2013, 7:45:14 AM2/1/13
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planet, or wait millions of years for nature to take its course, just
adapt yourself by using raw intelligence and applied physics?
Do open pit mining operations do anything to making their pits look
and feel pretty?
Do underground mining operations make their excavated tunnels into
tunnels of Eden?
Do submarine crews attempt to drain their oceans so that the
surrounding pressure goes away?
Do astronauts have to keep sucking up any passing particles so that
space remains a vacuum?
Where exactly does it say that heaven isn't too hot or too cold, or
simply too wet or too dry, and having an atmosphere that isn’t
different?
Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
to offer?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
Warhol
Feb 1, 2013, 8:11:44 AM2/1/13
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rivers flow on Venus... while we all know it to hot on Venus... and
water would not flow but condense to vapor...
Please Brad can you explain how you obtained those pictures of Venus???
Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2013, 9:43:53 AM2/1/13
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Magellan) into a polar orbit of Venus. You know, Venus is a nearby
planet that gets to within 100 LD of us every 19 months, and consider
the only item any closer is our moon.
How about the even better resolution images from ground based radar
imaging of Venus? (nowadays they can accomplish 25 m/pixel)
You obviously don't trust Kodak film and you have absolutely no camera
or lens expertise whatsoever, and yet you're qualified?
Does your computer even have any digital image processing software?
(you know, it's even free for those of us smart enough to download it)
Warhol
Feb 1, 2013, 11:59:51 AM2/1/13
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No brad, I by own, would know nothing... it are the angels of my
Gran'Da'Dy whispering me this things you all fail to understand... So
I learned that NASA could not fly in vacuum or Radio waves need a
medium not found in space etc etc... how would I know such things... I
only went until my fourteen year to school... and I do nothing on My
own initiative, but I speak these things as my Gran'Da'Dy taught Me.
Right I don't trust what they have told me since I openend my eyes on
this world... its all conflicting with my Gran'Da'Dy word, he is
telling me a whole other story of glory hidden from our sight... and
Him I believe, since he explained all his mysteries of the past and
Future... Now I know...
John 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we
testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our
testimony.
Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2013, 1:20:37 PM2/1/13
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(faith-based as well as Atheists/Nazis or Semites) has been bogus or
at the very least misleading from the very get go.
Warhol
Feb 1, 2013, 4:00:04 PM2/1/13
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understanding it... and absorb everything they hear from the media-tic
system without questioning the facts
.
http://youtu.be/lkFuOVL0YU0
they just repeat shit without even to try to check the validity of the
data...
I too must admit I am Blackbeard's Parrot... and I trust HIM alone and
NOT them.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leqonv76Kj1qzhf66o1_400.gif
And I like to repeat this words... Surrender or Else.... Warhols
blackspot.
Words with a very deep meaning for all those who want to survive The
Day After Tomorrow, when wrath will come down from heaven....
Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2013, 8:35:47 PM2/1/13
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>
> they just repeat shit without even to try to check the validity of the
> data...
>
> I too must admit I am Blackbeard's Parrot... and I trust HIM alone and
> NOT them.http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leqonv76Kj1qzhf66o1_400.gif
> they just repeat shit without even to try to check the validity of the
> data...
>
> I too must admit I am Blackbeard's Parrot... and I trust HIM alone and
>
> And I like to repeat this words... Surrender or Else.... Warhols
> blackspot.
>
> Words with a very deep meaning for all those who want to survive The
> Day After Tomorrow, when wrath will come down from heaven....
At least you seem honest and consistent, which is way better than most
> And I like to repeat this words... Surrender or Else.... Warhols
> blackspot.
>
> Words with a very deep meaning for all those who want to survive The
> Day After Tomorrow, when wrath will come down from heaven....
that contribute to these public Usenet/newsgroups. I don't happen to
agree with everything you have to say, but then you seem to have few
if any Moors that trust Warhol.
Warhol
Feb 1, 2013, 9:06:41 PM2/1/13
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They all became unbelievers, infidels, kafir... But a day is coming
when my Gran'Da'Dy decides to destroy an abomination in my holy
land...
http://www.muslimmarriagesite.com/images/places/hassan2mosque2.jpg
Well the day this horror gets destroyed by the will of my Gran'Da'Dy,
you will see all the true Moors & Christians surrender and pay ransom
to my Sarsar zaouia... its then when you will see the tide turn from
unbelief to adoration...
and keep in mind that my people are the real judeans from who evil
yids have stolen the Identity...
Who are the moors, and why do so many people hate us? How is Moorish
identity determined? Moorish Identity is a prophetic reading of the
signs of the times, the fruit of a lifetime of research and study,
spiritual insight the great drama entailing the apostasy of the
western nations and the return of the Holy Moor.
“Is it possible that my Gran'Da'Dy has rejected His people? Of course
not ... as the chosen people, they are still loved by my Gran'Da'Dy,
loved for the sake of their ancestors."
the Moorish people remain very dear to my Gran'Da'Dy, for the sake of
the saints, since my Gran'Da'Dy does not take back the gifts He
bestowed or the choice He made.
‘and Qsar Al Qabir shall be trodden down by the invaders until the
times of the invaders are fulfilled’
pattern of sin, exile, and return...
the truth will be cordially welcomed by all who yearn and pray for the
return of the Moorish people to take their place — the place that is
rightfully theirs
Brad Guth
Feb 2, 2013, 8:53:30 AM2/2/13
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that Moors supposedly represent.
Meanwhile, terraforming or darwinforming another planet or moon can be
accomplished if you're smart enough to tie your own shoelaces. Of
course those butt naked Goldilocks worthy planets are always going to
be few and far between, just like 95% of Earth doesn't qualify.
Warhol
Feb 2, 2013, 9:44:18 AM2/2/13
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impossible to terraform, since the moon has no burning inner core and
so it doesn't turn on it axes... As for Venus we must wait 20 million
years for the terraforming process to end. lt will become a paradise
and my Gran'Da'Dy did it...And as for Mars, its simply to cold there
for any life to survive... Man came from Mars and they where green
because of the cold... Thats why my ancestors left Mars and colonized
planet Earth 260 millions years ago... one day planet Earth will be to
far form the sun and heat will be to low for life to survive in such
conditions... But when Earth gets to cold than man will go to Venus
which will become the New Earth...
Brad Guth
Feb 3, 2013, 1:22:23 AM2/3/13
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when those Sirius stars got created, and Earth started getting those
pesky ice-age cycles. Got anything to tell us about those Sirius
stars?
Warhol
Feb 3, 2013, 7:07:59 AM2/3/13
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Of course my ancestors are from planet Mars and the day you will get
there, you will see our Moorish cities and roads still standing, even
thought my ancestors left so a 260 millions of years ago the planet
which became too cold for us to survive in... and my ancestor became
green of the cold. why current day people still think Martians are
green... that is true, green/ blue because the cold conditions.
And before we got called Moors, so a 6000 years, we were called the
Marshal's... because my ancestor Shem(Hasan) who ruled over the wet
Marchlands where he overcame all the monsters hiding the moorlands,
The things had superhuman strength, and literally rips its victims
limb from limb by surprise when it surfaced out the mud and water....
http://www.triggison.com/DEB/deboev121.jpg
then did My Gran'Da'Dy Kill all the dragons and other monsters which
infested & terrorized my ancestors region for very long times. My
Gran'Da'Dy Hasan became the invincible Dragon-slaying archangel and
peace was and happyness restored, by the GreenMan Pan, ...
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/RingSiegfriedStigAndersenFafnerTheDragonChrisBennionA.jpg
The thing had superhuman strength, and literally rips its victims limb
from limb.
http://www.arthurdurkee.net/images/GreenManVeriditas.jpg
Now I utilize until to today two of my holy many Titles that belonged
by legacy to my ancestors... "The Sheriff" Since My Gran'Da'Da became
the Lord of the Mountain...
Che=Lord Riff= The Mountain and my other title is Marshall...
The Sirius stars; before we came to this solar system billions of
years ago, my ancestors lived in the Sirius stars system, but that is
so long ago that I even haven't had the time yet to consult the data
in my archives... Our current sun or solar system was not yet born
when they already lived on the Sirius Solar system... I know there was
a Stargate on Mars which connected directly to our ancient solar
system of Sirius.. .
So we Moors terraformed many worlds and still do... Europe when got
those lands by legacy, was one giant bewildered march, a very
dangerous place to be... impossible to survive in such region thought
the rest of the world... Well we did survive and invented the delta
works to dry the wet lands because the melting ice due the great
climate change after the great floods of Gran'Da'Dy Noah... I could
write books about the subject but I have more important things to do
right now... but so are the facts.
The Marshall Sheriff of the Sarsar, Warhol.
http://file1.npage.de/002211/24/bilder/marshall_sheriff_dept._silver_-_wv.jpg
I need you to take a step towards Me and I will run towards you. I'll
will give you a brand new start where guide you through this time.
Trust in Me, leave your old way of life and put on the brand new
clothes I have for you.
If this is you. Just say this; Sheriff Hasan I surrender please save
me. Wash me with your Blood. I wish to be saved. I want to be with
you. I desire to know You. Please forgive my sin and save me from the
eternal hell. In Hasan Name.
And all I can say! Welcome on board!
Go read your Bible the Holy Spirit will guide you and you will
understand Warhol's Word.
Brad Guth
Feb 3, 2013, 11:03:07 AM2/3/13
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>
> The thing had superhuman strength, and literally rips its victims limb
> from limb.
>
> http://www.arthurdurkee.net/images/GreenManVeriditas.jpg
>
> Now I utilize until to today two of my holy many Titles that belonged
> by legacy to my ancestors... "The Sheriff" Since My Gran'Da'Da became
> the Lord of the Mountain...
>
> Che=Lord Riff= The Mountain and my other title is Marshall...
>
> The Sirius stars; before we came to this solar system billions of
> years ago, my ancestors lived in the Sirius stars system, but that is
> so long ago that I even haven't had the time yet to consult the data
> in my archives... Our current sun or solar system was not yet born
> when they already lived on the Sirius Solar system... I know there was
> a Stargate on Mars which connected directly to our ancient solar
> system of Sirius.. .
>
> So we Moors terraformed many worlds and still do... Europe when got
> those lands by legacy, was one giant bewildered march, a very
> dangerous place to be... impossible to survive in such region thought
> the rest of the world... Well we did survive and invented the delta
> works to dry the wet lands because the melting ice due the great
> climate change after the great floods of Gran'Da'Dy Noah... I could
> write books about the subject but I have more important things to do
> right now... but so are the facts.
>
> The Marshall Sheriff of the Sarsar, Warhol.http://file1.npage.de/002211/24/bilder/marshall_sheriff_dept._silver_...
> The thing had superhuman strength, and literally rips its victims limb
> from limb.
>
> http://www.arthurdurkee.net/images/GreenManVeriditas.jpg
>
> Now I utilize until to today two of my holy many Titles that belonged
> by legacy to my ancestors... "The Sheriff" Since My Gran'Da'Da became
> the Lord of the Mountain...
>
> Che=Lord Riff= The Mountain and my other title is Marshall...
>
> The Sirius stars; before we came to this solar system billions of
> years ago, my ancestors lived in the Sirius stars system, but that is
> so long ago that I even haven't had the time yet to consult the data
> in my archives... Our current sun or solar system was not yet born
> when they already lived on the Sirius Solar system... I know there was
> a Stargate on Mars which connected directly to our ancient solar
> system of Sirius.. .
>
> So we Moors terraformed many worlds and still do... Europe when got
> those lands by legacy, was one giant bewildered march, a very
> dangerous place to be... impossible to survive in such region thought
> the rest of the world... Well we did survive and invented the delta
> works to dry the wet lands because the melting ice due the great
> climate change after the great floods of Gran'Da'Dy Noah... I could
> write books about the subject but I have more important things to do
> right now... but so are the facts.
>
>
> I need you to take a step towards Me and I will run towards you. I'll
> will give you a brand new start where guide you through this time.
> Trust in Me, leave your old way of life and put on the brand new
> clothes I have for you.
>
> If this is you. Just say this; Sheriff Hasan I surrender please save
> me. Wash me with your Blood. I wish to be saved. I want to be with
> you. I desire to know You. Please forgive my sin and save me from the
> eternal hell. In Hasan Name.
>
> And all I can say! Welcome on board!
>
> Go read your Bible the Holy Spirit will guide you and you will
> understand Warhol's Word.
For this topic of terraforming or darwinforming another planet, you
> I need you to take a step towards Me and I will run towards you. I'll
> will give you a brand new start where guide you through this time.
> Trust in Me, leave your old way of life and put on the brand new
> clothes I have for you.
>
> If this is you. Just say this; Sheriff Hasan I surrender please save
> me. Wash me with your Blood. I wish to be saved. I want to be with
> you. I desire to know You. Please forgive my sin and save me from the
> eternal hell. In Hasan Name.
>
> And all I can say! Welcome on board!
>
> Go read your Bible the Holy Spirit will guide you and you will
> understand Warhol's Word.
are not helping. If you have something positive or constructive to
add, please do so.
Warhol
Feb 3, 2013, 11:43:13 AM2/3/13
to
Earth... what is there more to know about the glory of the Moor... My
Gran'Da'Dy and the world's he build with his hands and sweat and
blood..
http://youtu.be/G6NBAZrdjQw
Well my Gran'Da'Dy is at war with those low fallen monsters who think
they can steal my Gran'Da'Dy's world and conquer heaven without his
consent... I warning you all... Surrender or else...
Edwin Gondar
Feb 3, 2013, 11:57:58 AM2/3/13
to
Well I came across a child of God, he was walking along the road
and I asked him tell where are you going, this he told me:
Well, I’m going down to Yasgur's farm, going to join in a rock and
roll band.
Got to get back to the land, set my soul free.
We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon,
and we got to get ourselves back to the garden.
Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog.
And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning.
And maybe it's the time of year, yes, and maybe it's the time of man.
And I don't know who I am but life is for learning.
Warhol
Feb 3, 2013, 12:56:47 PM2/3/13
to
I stood upon the balcony with my brand new bride
The clink of bells came drifting down the mountainside
When in our sight something moved
Lightning eyed and cloven hoofed,
The great god Pan is alive!
He moves amid the modern world in disguise
It's possible to look into his immortal eyes
He's like a man you'd meet anyplace
Until you recognize that ancient face
The great god Pan is alive!
At sea on a ship in a thunder storm
On the very night that Christ was born
A sailor heard from overhead
A mighty voice cry
Edwin Gondar
Feb 3, 2013, 1:16:57 PM2/3/13
to
...and here he is again you fool:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n01.jpg
Warhol
Feb 3, 2013, 1:55:29 PM2/3/13
to
If you are not able to love without sex you are a pervert and to such
man I crush their testicles with a rock...
http://youtu.be/LRVOWAy3qrU
you will meet him one day so ask him for yourself..Let us know how
that goes for you
Brad Guth
Feb 3, 2013, 2:37:15 PM2/3/13
to
In case some of you know-it-all pucks missed the fundamental pretext
or concept as represented by this topic; to further clarify it’s not
about how to topic/author stalk in order to systematically fail from
the very get go, nor is this about how to selectively obfuscate and
intentionally do everything conceivably wrong on purpose, just so that
you get to brag to yourself and others of your kind that are equally
FUD capable of proving that only failure, doom and gloom is but the
one and only option regardless of the intended path and motivation of
what this topic has to offer those few of us willing to conceive of
future opportunities, whereas instead of our having to constantly
dwell and/or focus only upon each and every conceivable negative that
most any moron can just as easily elaborate upon, as we few
intelligent folks can elect to look forward and consider the value of
the positive/constructive attributes.
For those that wish only to promote the utmost FUD of naysay
constrictive and/or doom and gloom worthy outcomes, you can go right
ahead and create as many of those topics as you like, and you can even
pretend that anyone other than yourself actually gives a tinkers damn.
Meanwhile, the extremely nearby planet Venus should offer more
obtainable value and bang for the buck than all the other planets and
moons of our solar system combined, especially since our NASA is not
willing to help anyone get back on our supposedly inert and
monochromatic moon, or even to utilize its L1. So, imagine that we
have full access to the very best terrestrial science, technology and
materials (as mostly having been public-funded thus far) for assisting
in our quest of adapting ourselves and otherwise as much as possible
terraforming Venus to suit our future needs, as well as best for
sustaining life as we know it right here on Earth.
> http://www.globalwhisperer.com/2010/09/ascension-island-darwins-best-...
or concept as represented by this topic; to further clarify it’s not
about how to topic/author stalk in order to systematically fail from
the very get go, nor is this about how to selectively obfuscate and
intentionally do everything conceivably wrong on purpose, just so that
you get to brag to yourself and others of your kind that are equally
FUD capable of proving that only failure, doom and gloom is but the
one and only option regardless of the intended path and motivation of
what this topic has to offer those few of us willing to conceive of
future opportunities, whereas instead of our having to constantly
dwell and/or focus only upon each and every conceivable negative that
most any moron can just as easily elaborate upon, as we few
intelligent folks can elect to look forward and consider the value of
the positive/constructive attributes.
For those that wish only to promote the utmost FUD of naysay
constrictive and/or doom and gloom worthy outcomes, you can go right
ahead and create as many of those topics as you like, and you can even
pretend that anyone other than yourself actually gives a tinkers damn.
Meanwhile, the extremely nearby planet Venus should offer more
obtainable value and bang for the buck than all the other planets and
moons of our solar system combined, especially since our NASA is not
willing to help anyone get back on our supposedly inert and
monochromatic moon, or even to utilize its L1. So, imagine that we
have full access to the very best terrestrial science, technology and
materials (as mostly having been public-funded thus far) for assisting
in our quest of adapting ourselves and otherwise as much as possible
terraforming Venus to suit our future needs, as well as best for
sustaining life as we know it right here on Earth.
> “It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
> to offer?
>
> Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
> as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
> using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
> mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
> too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
> variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
> filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
> end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
>
> “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
> to offer?
>
> Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
> as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
> using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
> mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
> too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
> variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
> filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
> end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
>
> “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:
Brad Guth
Feb 5, 2013, 9:49:19 AM2/5/13
to
going to represent a tough accomplishment, especially when 95% of
Earth doesn't even qualify. However, applied physics and the full-
blown usage of technology allows us to utilize perhaps as much as 95%
of Earth.
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
Safari), although some extra filtering and dynamic range compensations
can further improve on the end result (no direct pixel modifications
necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
Brad Guth
Feb 6, 2013, 10:02:52 AM2/6/13
to
exploitation of such an extremely nearby planet as Venus, or even the
innards of our moon.
However, off-world exploitations are simply not getting mainstream
oligarch approved, and this kind of deeply rooted mainstream
opposition and its systemic obfuscation as to ignoring and/or trashing
others and their advancing topics on behalf of accomplishing off-world
exploitations, is clearly self-evident of mainstream applied FUD in
the context of their Usenet/newsgroup replies, and/or from their topic/
author banishment treatment applied upon any number of risky topics
that these oligarchs keep avoiding.
On Jan 6, 10:08 am, Adolf Arch-Impersonator <goosestom...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> It has been estimated that there are around 25 million habitable-
> exomoons in the Milky Way Galaxy's most hospitable zone, and narrowing
> down further to their respective Goldilocks zones, using a modified
> form of the Drake Equation, where the requirement for a large enough
> moon is by either capture or impact.
>
> The reasoning goes that why couldn't a captured large moon not be
> stable around a Super-Earth object? Sure, the tidal forces of a planet
> like Jupiter would probably cause enough of a tidal effect to create
> volcanism for the first few billions of years, but after a few billion
> more years, the moon-sized earth's core would have cooled considerably
> from a dynamical point-of-view.
>
> Calculations of this sort have indicated that there may be 1/2 as many
> exo-moons, as there are exo-planets. But when it comes to
> habitability, there are about as many exo-moons as there are exo-
> planets, which seems a bit odd.
>
> Perhaps humans had to be made smaller in size, according to not having
> the privilege of experiencing the weaker gravitational forces of an
> exo-moon, which would have probably made the human IQ more accelerated
> over time, and would not have made gravity as so much of a barrier to
> our space exploration.
That's actually a very good analogy, even if exomoons of those large
enough exoplanets as well as considering those exomoons of all those
other rogue/wandering nomad planets, whereas it seems perfectly
logical that they should exist with their very own specialized kind of
evolved and adapted biodiversity, and as to why should intelligent ETs
even look anything like us humans, is just my way of always keeping an
open mindset as to what Goldilocks might consider as uninhabitable but
otherwise perfectly suitable as just about right for those ETs of
their own weird biodiversity that’s as lethal to us as is the deep sea
life sustaining environment is right here on Earth.
Brad Guth
Feb 9, 2013, 9:27:26 AM2/9/13
to
What's not to like about the extremely nearby planet Venus?
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2013, 10:47:35 AM2/10/13
to
Terraforming the moon underground:
It's probably close to averaging -0- F (255 K) at no greater than 10
meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or
night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km. The R-factor
of lunar regolith (lose rock and crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10
meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the thermal conductance
or coefficient of its paramagnetic basalt shouldn't be any different
than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as
paramagnetic. Supposedly there is a little bit of granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in composition.
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should be considerably
different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources to go along with it. Sadly this
technology and its expertise is being ignored by those of authority
that do not want outsiders having a say about anything. So, once
again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied
technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to
be topic/author stalked and trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare elements,
not to mention the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s
created. Unfortunately this method can not be applied on Venus,
although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons should
be similar to the terraforming of our moon interior.
It's probably close to averaging -0- F (255 K) at no greater than 10
meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or
night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km. The R-factor
of lunar regolith (lose rock and crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10
meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the thermal conductance
or coefficient of its paramagnetic basalt shouldn't be any different
than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as
paramagnetic. Supposedly there is a little bit of granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in composition.
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should be considerably
different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources to go along with it. Sadly this
technology and its expertise is being ignored by those of authority
that do not want outsiders having a say about anything. So, once
again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied
technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to
be topic/author stalked and trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare elements,
not to mention the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s
created. Unfortunately this method can not be applied on Venus,
although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons should
be similar to the terraforming of our moon interior.
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2013, 2:46:37 PM2/10/13
to
Terraforming the moon underground:
It's probably close to averaging -0- F (255 K) at no greater than 10
meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or
night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km. The R-factor
that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise
the thermal conductance or coefficient of its paramagnetic basalt
shouldn't be any different than here on Earth, except that our
terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering
the thermal conductance or coefficient of its paramagnetic basalt
shouldn't be any different than here on Earth, except that our
carbonado. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite
to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their
composition.
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be
considerably different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources plus talent to go along with it.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being
ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a say
about anything. So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever
level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer,
because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and trashed by
those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream
issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
about anything. So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever
level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer,
because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and trashed by
those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream
issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and
cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io) should be
similar to the terraforming the interior of our moon.
The likely 5e15~1e16 tonnes worth of lose surface rock and dust (plus
accumulated deposits) remaining on the naked surface of our moon (not
including another good portion as having been dislodged and deposited
on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts,
and especially as a result of its South polar crater of 2500 km
diameter.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and fused upon contact with
the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite
obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples
had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or even unique
meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era that found our
naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-ray and gamma
inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal
dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and
clumping for terrific footing and traction like no place else.
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2013, 8:11:05 PM2/10/13
to
Terraforming the moon underground:
It's probably close to averaging 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10
geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3
density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth,
as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee
Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is
getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only
getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with
respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.”
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique
and considerably different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to
geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although
the cozy interior of our moon.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
The likely 5e15~1e16 tonnes worth of lose surface rock and dust (plus
accumulated deposits) remaining on the naked surface of our moon (not
including another good portion as having been dislodged and deposited
on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts,
and especially as a result of its South polar crater of 2500 km
diameter.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and fused upon contact with
the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite
obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples
had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or even unique
meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era that found our
naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-ray and gamma
inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal
dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and
clumping for terrific footing and traction like no place else.
On Feb 3, 11:37 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's probably close to averaging 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10
meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or
night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km. The R-factor
of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust
that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise
the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka
night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km. The R-factor
of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust
that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise
geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3
density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth,
except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or
much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K
as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee
little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are
inconsistent in their composition.
A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
inconsistent in their composition.
Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is
getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only
getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with
respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.”
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique
and considerably different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
go along with it. Sadly this technology and its expertise of
interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want
outsiders having a public say about anything. So, once again, it
interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want
really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and
expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although
older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io
that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming
the cozy interior of our moon.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
The likely 5e15~1e16 tonnes worth of lose surface rock and dust (plus
accumulated deposits) remaining on the naked surface of our moon (not
including another good portion as having been dislodged and deposited
on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts,
and especially as a result of its South polar crater of 2500 km
diameter.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and fused upon contact with
the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite
obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples
had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or even unique
meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era that found our
naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-ray and gamma
inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal
dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and
clumping for terrific footing and traction like no place else.
On Feb 3, 11:37 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2013, 5:42:08 PM2/14/13
to
The interior of our moon is within the scope of existing technology.
Proof being hundreds if not thousands of tunnel miles here on Earth.
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
Proof being hundreds if not thousands of tunnel miles here on Earth.
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2013, 3:30:30 PM2/16/13
to
Extracting valuable elements from the innards of our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, can’t be put off forever. Venus can always
wait, although no other planet is so nearby and accessible to our
remote science, and otherwise our modern radar imaging can nowadays
obtain 25 mm resolution of it’s surface, and it’s better than half
that for mapping the naked surface of our moon. Even terrestrial
ground based radar imaging of Venus can achieve 25 meter resolution,
or 0.25 meter resolution of our moon.
Gold, silver, platinum and many other rare and valuable elements to
most of us, that typically require extensive mining excavations with
often bloody and lethal consequences as well as spendy processing
along with consuming loads of energy that's also in short supply, not
to mention our having to deal with the subsequent pollution along with
some of their toxicity and subsequent trashing of our global
environment, are all perfectly good reasons as to why off-world
exploitations can't be such a bad idea.
The likes of our moon and Venus should offer at least a combined
teratonne of gold, and otherwise many teratonnes of other precious
metals like silver, nickel, copper and zinc, not to mention those
heavy reactive atomic elements like uranium, thorium and of course
always radium.
Where’s the down side?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
and paramagnetic moon, can’t be put off forever. Venus can always
wait, although no other planet is so nearby and accessible to our
remote science, and otherwise our modern radar imaging can nowadays
obtain 25 mm resolution of it’s surface, and it’s better than half
that for mapping the naked surface of our moon. Even terrestrial
ground based radar imaging of Venus can achieve 25 meter resolution,
or 0.25 meter resolution of our moon.
Gold, silver, platinum and many other rare and valuable elements to
most of us, that typically require extensive mining excavations with
often bloody and lethal consequences as well as spendy processing
along with consuming loads of energy that's also in short supply, not
to mention our having to deal with the subsequent pollution along with
some of their toxicity and subsequent trashing of our global
environment, are all perfectly good reasons as to why off-world
exploitations can't be such a bad idea.
The likes of our moon and Venus should offer at least a combined
teratonne of gold, and otherwise many teratonnes of other precious
metals like silver, nickel, copper and zinc, not to mention those
heavy reactive atomic elements like uranium, thorium and of course
always radium.
Where’s the down side?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
Brad Guth
Feb 21, 2013, 9:40:49 AM2/21/13
to
become too bloody and otherwise too spendy for most of us. Of course
oligarchs could care less because, they actually get richer and more
powerful with global inflation and proxy wars.
Brad Guth
Feb 21, 2013, 10:12:38 AM2/21/13
to
At some near point in time (especially as a very resource demanding
global population exceeds 10 billion), our terrestrial resources are
topic from the very get go, nor is this about how to selectively
of focusing only upon the doom and gloom.
For those that wish only to promote the utmost FUD of naysay
constrictive and/or doom and gloom worthy outcomes, you can go right
ahead and create as many of those silly topics as you like, and you
With added resources, our planet can manage to survive with 10+
billion humans, regardless of the GW and/or AGW issues. Of course we
could also be utilizing our moon if it wasn’t for the mutually
perpetrated cold-war era making it so taboo/nondisclosure rated.
global population exceeds 10 billion), our terrestrial resources are
going to become too bloody and otherwise too spendy for most of us.
Of course oligarchs could care less because, they actually get richer
and more powerful with global inflation and proxy wars.
Of course oligarchs could care less because, they actually get richer
and more powerful with global inflation and proxy wars.
In case some of you know-it-all pucks missed the fundamental pretext
or concept as represented by this topic; to further clarify it’s not
about how to topic/author stalk in order to systematically fail this
or concept as represented by this topic; to further clarify it’s not
topic from the very get go, nor is this about how to selectively
obfuscate and intentionally do everything conceivably wrong on
purpose, just so that you get to brag to yourself and others of your
kind that are equally FUD and oligarch capable of proving that only
purpose, just so that you get to brag to yourself and others of your
failure, doom and gloom is but the one and only option regardless of
the intended path and motivation of what this topic has to offer those
few of us willing to conceive of future opportunities, whereas instead
of our having to constantly dwell and/or focus only upon each and
every conceivable negative that most any moron can just as easily
elaborate upon, as we few intelligent folks can elect to look forward
and consider the value of the positive/constructive attributes instead
the intended path and motivation of what this topic has to offer those
few of us willing to conceive of future opportunities, whereas instead
of our having to constantly dwell and/or focus only upon each and
every conceivable negative that most any moron can just as easily
elaborate upon, as we few intelligent folks can elect to look forward
of focusing only upon the doom and gloom.
For those that wish only to promote the utmost FUD of naysay
constrictive and/or doom and gloom worthy outcomes, you can go right
can even pretend that anyone other than yourself actually gives a
tinkers damn.
Meanwhile, the extremely nearby planet Venus should offer more
obtainable value and greater bang for the buck than all the other
tinkers damn.
Meanwhile, the extremely nearby planet Venus should offer more
planets and moons of our solar system combined, especially since our
NASA is not willing to help anyone get back on our supposedly inert
and monochromatic moon, or even to utilize its L1. So, imagine that
we have full access to the very best terrestrial science, technology
and materials (as mostly having been public-funded thus far) for
assisting in our quest of adapting ourselves and otherwise as much as
possible terraforming Venus to suit our future needs, as well as best
suited for even sustaining life as we know it right here on Earth.
NASA is not willing to help anyone get back on our supposedly inert
and monochromatic moon, or even to utilize its L1. So, imagine that
we have full access to the very best terrestrial science, technology
and materials (as mostly having been public-funded thus far) for
assisting in our quest of adapting ourselves and otherwise as much as
possible terraforming Venus to suit our future needs, as well as best
With added resources, our planet can manage to survive with 10+
billion humans, regardless of the GW and/or AGW issues. Of course we
could also be utilizing our moon if it wasn’t for the mutually
perpetrated cold-war era making it so taboo/nondisclosure rated.
Brad Guth
Feb 23, 2013, 9:14:02 AM2/23/13
to
going to our moon, Mars or Venus in order to exploit those worlds for
their rare and perhaps common elements that are only rare to us,
because asteroids from the Sirius Oort cloud will be delivering those
to us within 10,000+ tonne asteroids that our very best observations
and radars apparently can not detect until it's too late. However,
perhaps it would be kinda nice of us to at least warn ISS of future
asteroids passing through their NO FLY zone, whereas our astronauts
only have a limited supply of Depends.
Russia has estimated their 16+ meter rock/asteroid of 10% iron and
nickel that only barely missed impacting a major populated city, is
perhaps only representing the tip of the cosmic iceberg arriving in
the form of the Sirius Oort cloud, that's highly populated by such
asteroids and likely to offer a few dozen planetoid size items.
Apparently our fancy radars are useless at detecting these fast moving
and typically fast arriving items of 1e4 to 1e6 tonnes until it's too
late. Perhaps this is not exactly good news for those onboard our
spendy ISS that are kind of sitting ducks.
Venus of course has a really nifty thick and dense atmosphere that
should fend off even 1e5 tonne asteroids, as well as otherwise
moderating the arrival of any 1e6 tonne item down to a dull roar of
causing hardly if any surface damage unless it was made of mostly pure
heavy metals. The naked moon on the other hand is always at serious
risk of even dealing with a one kg arrival, including a lethal spray
of secondary debris that could radius and/or downrange for 1000 km, if
not sent back into low orbit to only fall back at 2.35 km/sec upon the
whole 1.1e4 km circumference.
Too bad that only Russians have been smart enough to deal with Venus,
where as our best talent can barely get a robotic mission onto a
mostly frozen to death planet that at least so far indicates as having
few if any rare element that we could use, because even our moon is at
least a hundredfold more valuable.
Brad Guth
Feb 23, 2013, 9:27:52 AM2/23/13
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Extracting valuable raw elements from the innards of our physically
and otherwise so easily accessible to our remote science (according to
a recent NOVA production of “Earth From Space” whereas our modern
satellite radar imaging of Earth can nowadays obtain 25 mm resolution
of its surface), and it’s at least better than half that for mapping
the naked surface of our moon at just 6 mm/pixel. According to recent
improvements in radar imaging, even terrestrial ground based radar
imaging of Venus should be able to achieve 25 meter resolution, or
figure 0.25 meter resolution of our moon.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html
Gold, silver, platinum and so many other rare and valuable elements
global biodiversity impact issues (all of which being negative), are
also use nuclear energy as well as thermonuclear weapons in order to
mine and excavate our way into and through vast amounts of crust.
Nuclear powered TBMs could be used for tunneling into our moon, and
unlimited environment damage can become an acceptable tradeoff.
Where’s the down side?
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
dark and paramagnetic moon, can’t be put off forever. Venus can
always wait, although no other planet is situated so nearby(100 LD)
and otherwise so easily accessible to our remote science (according to
a recent NOVA production of “Earth From Space” whereas our modern
satellite radar imaging of Earth can nowadays obtain 25 mm resolution
of its surface), and it’s at least better than half that for mapping
the naked surface of our moon at just 6 mm/pixel. According to recent
improvements in radar imaging, even terrestrial ground based radar
imaging of Venus should be able to achieve 25 meter resolution, or
figure 0.25 meter resolution of our moon.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html
Gold, silver, platinum and so many other rare and valuable elements
to most of us, that typically require extensive mining excavations
with often bloody and lethal consequences, as well as spendy
processing along with consuming loads of energy that's also in short
supply, not to mention our having to deal with the subsequent
environment pollution along with some of their direct toxicity and
supply, not to mention our having to deal with the subsequent
global biodiversity impact issues (all of which being negative), are
perfectly good reasons as to why off-world exploitations can't be such
a bad idea.
The likes of our moon and Venus should offer at least a combined
teratonne of gold, and otherwise many teratonnes of other precious
metals like silver, nickel, copper and zinc, not to mention those
heavy reactive atomic elements like uranium, thorium and of course
always radium and natural plutonium shouldn’t be unexpected. We can
a bad idea.
The likes of our moon and Venus should offer at least a combined
teratonne of gold, and otherwise many teratonnes of other precious
metals like silver, nickel, copper and zinc, not to mention those
heavy reactive atomic elements like uranium, thorium and of course
also use nuclear energy as well as thermonuclear weapons in order to
mine and excavate our way into and through vast amounts of crust.
Nuclear powered TBMs could be used for tunneling into our moon, and
unlimited environment damage can become an acceptable tradeoff.
Where’s the down side?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus
Venus”, GuthVenus
On Feb 21, 7:12 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 26, 2013, 7:06:48 AM2/26/13
to
It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).
As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.
Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.
Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.
“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”
Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”
Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.
On the other positive/constructive hand; where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).
As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.
Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.
Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.
“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”
Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”
Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.
On the other positive/constructive hand; where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 3:53:08 PM2/27/13
to
Planet or moon terraforming is always going to be easier said than
done.
However, off-world terraforming shouldn't be so narrowly restricted,
as only intended for accommodating Goldilocks, because that would be
really pathetic or just plain stupid, as to exclude or banish the
other 99.9% of planets and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and
even special logistic habitats for accommodating engineering, science
and whatever human technical expertise needed in addition to their
robotics.
Submarines are a logistics solution for humans exploring and/or
exploiting underwater resources, as are airships intended for their
own kind of lofty logistics support on behalf of accommodating humans
at great altitudes and covering vast distances. This doesn’t mean
that our oceans need be drained or the sky filled up with piles of
dirt in order that us humans as naked Goldilocks can be Eden
accommodated via extreme terraforming.
The nearly 50 km or 30 mile wide comet/asteroid that has a high
probability of encountering Mars late in 2014 could go either way, as
very badly or conceivably contribute to whatever Mars already has to
offer. Even a near-miss should cause a partial breakup of this comet
and cause considerable seismic trauma if it passed within 1.1r (339 km
above the surface).
“comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2013_A1
There’s even a slim possibility of a glancing blow that’ll lithobrake
and enable Mars to capture most of the icy and solid remainders of
this one, leaving Mars with a seriously big dent, a greater seasonal
tilt and/or possibly some measurable perturbed orbital shift, as well
as a percentage of the secondary shards coming our way. If the body
and core of this one is mostly ice, means that the average density
isn’t going to be much greater than 1 g/cm3. However, it could host a
25 km solid core of nickel-iron, and that’s going to be capable of
delivering a lethal blow that could mess up the atmosphere of Mars for
several years.
Meanwhile, our physically dark and naked moon with its mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust that’s nearly 100% fused and way tougher
than the relatively thin crust of Earth, as well as the extremely
nearby planet Venus have lots of nifty elements to offer as is.
Brad Guth
Mar 23, 2013, 6:37:42 PM3/23/13
to
Besides all the potential of exploiting rare earth elements that by
rights should be within our moon, and the relative ease of TBMs mining
and other mostly robotics processing those for export to Earth, not to
mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged farads of energy
that our moon could provide via a tethered transmitting element
reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always the CVD process of
creating industrial sized diamond on demand, that by itself should
more than pay for the all-inclusive infrastructure needed.
Large scale diamonds could be very useful for all sorts of stuff
(including unlimited length tether fibers) that would make our lives
better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole lot less bloody.
The same argument goes for several other elements that our moon should
have to offer.
rights should be within our moon, and the relative ease of TBMs mining
and other mostly robotics processing those for export to Earth, not to
mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged farads of energy
that our moon could provide via a tethered transmitting element
reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always the CVD process of
creating industrial sized diamond on demand, that by itself should
more than pay for the all-inclusive infrastructure needed.
Large scale diamonds could be very useful for all sorts of stuff
(including unlimited length tether fibers) that would make our lives
better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole lot less bloody.
The same argument goes for several other elements that our moon should
have to offer.
Brad Guth
Mar 26, 2013, 1:05:31 PM3/26/13
to
masters like our Usenet/newsgroup contributor "Hagar", that always
gets to hide his/her true ID, is when progress can be made.
Perhaps putting a "dead or alive" bounty on their heads might get this
accomplished, because obviously the upper 0.1% caste of mostly redneck
oligarchs hiding behind faith-based cults/cabals or mafia could care
less about how much of their mainstream damage-control gets away with
intellectual treason that's imposed upon the rest of us.
Hitler counted on this method of mainstream oligarch protection and
media damage control, and for the most part got way better action and
results than he could have other wise achieved.
Brad Guth
Apr 7, 2013, 1:09:52 PM4/7/13
to
salty, artificially polluted, not always where we need it most and too
often we seem to get too much of it in any one place as stormy,
frozen, thawed and flooding, and at least so far there's no apparent
shortage of oxygen (though eventually that could change as we displace
it with our volumes of CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the likes of hydrocarbons
along with Corexit toxins plus all things connected with multiple
global military complexes that get to do as they please, just like our
global biodiversity has been forced to change or become extinct
because of us humans).
What Earth is short of (besides common sense) is any number of natural
hydrocarbons and helium, as well as numerous metals plus the vast
amount of energy resources for exploiting, processing and distributing
most of those depleted and/or rare items.
Going off-world will eventually change most of that, and it’ll
directly benefit all of humanity, as well as the global biodiversity
that should in turn directly benefit our global environment in more
ways than just making our mostly white oligarchs richer and more
powerful. The good news is that our trusty moon is a likely treasure
trove of such goodies (especially inside), not to mention what the
extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer.
Now you can go along with either the traditional and mostly white
oligarch flow of their mainstream status quo (policy of don’t fix
anything if it isn’t already broken), and just sit back and let all
the balls drop wherever they may, or we can look ahead at the greater
potential of what exploiting off-world resources should have to offer
by essentially catching a few of those balls before they hit the
ground and fail to bounce. Instead of ignoring the GW+AGW issues that
are becoming more human caused and/or accelerated than previously
thought, perhaps we can at least consider upon what the relocation of
our moon as being actively situated within Earth L1 can do for us,
instead of it being so close and destabilizing to our global
environment.
Storms are certainly getting bad enough as the GW+AGW makes them more
frequent and measurably worse than before, though adding the extra
sucker-punch of those considerable tidal surges is what is also
clearly costing our planet at least an extra 100 billion per year to
the already trillion+ dollar cost of all those extreme weather and
seismic related issues that should be factored in. So, we get to
spend those trillion plus dollars per year and suffer countless tens
of thousands and even millions of needless deaths each and every year
that’s directly related to those gravitational factors modulating
through our whole planet, and even factoring a wee bit of its IR and
gamma that our trusty moon contributes in ways that we currently have
absolutely no control over nor do we receive any direct benefit from
either of those.
As you should know by now, I could go on and on about the benefits of
relocating our moon, plus otherwise in the meantime reiterating as to
what exploiting the surface and especially its innards should have to
offer. Eventually I’ll restart a new topic and rehash through most of
this along with additional thoughts and revised math, that you can
also contribute to.
Brad Guth
Apr 9, 2013, 9:13:19 AM4/9/13
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Try thinking this one through for yourself, as to considering what our
planet needs (especially if there's world peace and everyone [10+
billion humans] gets to live large)?
The surface of our moon isn’t terribly inviting, even though our NASA/
Apollo era proved it was entirely passive and actually quite
reflective, as well as hardly the least bit radioactive nor even
ionized and wasn’t the least bit dusty to walk or even drive upon its
monochromatic surface, whereas Venus may also be forbidden and
otherwise taboo, as always too hot and nasty for any naked Goldilocks
to fully appreciate, but otherwise it should offer easy access to any
number of valuable elements, as well as offering us a free-for-all
exploitation treasure trove resource that tree-huggers and
environmentalists can march, protest, suck eggs and otherwise bully
all they want because, it’ll do them no good.
Earth has way more than its fair share of water, even though most of
stormy, frozen, thawed and flooding, and otherwise at least so far
to change and/or adapt unless they become extinct because of us
planet needs (especially if there's world peace and everyone [10+
billion humans] gets to live large)?
The surface of our moon isn’t terribly inviting, even though our NASA/
Apollo era proved it was entirely passive and actually quite
reflective, as well as hardly the least bit radioactive nor even
ionized and wasn’t the least bit dusty to walk or even drive upon its
monochromatic surface, whereas Venus may also be forbidden and
otherwise taboo, as always too hot and nasty for any naked Goldilocks
to fully appreciate, but otherwise it should offer easy access to any
number of valuable elements, as well as offering us a free-for-all
exploitation treasure trove resource that tree-huggers and
environmentalists can march, protest, suck eggs and otherwise bully
all they want because, it’ll do them no good.
Earth has way more than its fair share of water, even though most of
it is salty, artificially polluted, not always where we need it most
and too often we seem to get way too much of it in any one place as
stormy, frozen, thawed and flooding, and otherwise at least so far
there's no apparent shortage of oxygen (though eventually that could
change as we displace it with our volumes of CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the
likes of hydrocarbons along with Corexit toxins plus all things
connected with multiple global military complexes that get to do as
they please, just like our global biodiversity has always been forced
change as we displace it with our volumes of CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the
likes of hydrocarbons along with Corexit toxins plus all things
connected with multiple global military complexes that get to do as
to change and/or adapt unless they become extinct because of us
humans).
What Earth is short of (besides common sense) is any number of natural
hydrocarbons and helium, as well as numerous metals plus the vast
amount of energy resources as for exploiting, processing and
What Earth is short of (besides common sense) is any number of natural
hydrocarbons and helium, as well as numerous metals plus the vast
Brad Guth
Apr 12, 2013, 2:14:52 PM4/12/13
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I’ve never insisted that terraforming another planet or moon was a
good idea as for accommodating our naked Goldilocks that can’t hardly
manage to survive in Eden without getting into trouble by eating the
forbidden fruit or being eaten alive some preexisting wild monsters,
but when terrestrial resources are becoming only affordable to the
upper caste of oligarchs, and otherwise proxy wars and the usual
policy of FUD are becoming the status quo norm, then perhaps going off-
world isn’t such a bad nor insurmountable idea, of everything from
capturing asteroids and TBMs digging into our moon, there’s always the
extremely nearby planet Venus to exploit.
If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.
If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising 6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.
good idea as for accommodating our naked Goldilocks that can’t hardly
manage to survive in Eden without getting into trouble by eating the
forbidden fruit or being eaten alive some preexisting wild monsters,
but when terrestrial resources are becoming only affordable to the
upper caste of oligarchs, and otherwise proxy wars and the usual
policy of FUD are becoming the status quo norm, then perhaps going off-
world isn’t such a bad nor insurmountable idea, of everything from
capturing asteroids and TBMs digging into our moon, there’s always the
extremely nearby planet Venus to exploit.
If we can systematically manage to exploit our planet to the very
brink of failing its 7+ billion human population, plus having
devastated the global biodiversity due to our industrialized methods
of polluting, mass consumptions and the growing lack of natural
resources that’s forcing global inflation in addition to the unpoliced
insider trading plus feeding our military industrial complex and
numerous Ponzi scams that oligarchs don’t seem to mind nor find
anything wrong with, and our having accomplished this task of global
exploitation extensively within the last thousand years, just imagine
how fast we should be able to exploit our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus.
If we can otherwise manage to survive for days on end while on the
100% radiated and naked surface of our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon without so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or
gamma photon finding so much as even one photographic grain of their
Kodak film that somehow offered superior dynamic range to the best or
even better than any CCD imaging, and otherwise for humans surviving
onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of space for months on
end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of going to/from Mars
being represented as no big insurmountable deal, and otherwise as for
cruising 6+ months while remaining deep underwater, as well surviving
terrestrial surface environments of always subfreezing conditions or
of those badly flooded to scorching hot and dry land being perfectly
doable, then perhaps using a composite rigid airship for accomplishing
Venus or especially the use of TBMs for digging deep into our moon,
simply can't be all that insurmountable.
Brad Guth
Jan 17, 2014, 1:36:57 AM1/17/14
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>
> “It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
>
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
>
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
>
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
>
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
>
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
>
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
>
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
>
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
>
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
>
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
>
> to offer?
>
>
>
> Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
>
> as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
>
> using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
>
> mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
>
> too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
>
> variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
>
> filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
>
> end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
>
>
>
> “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
>
> question:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
> “It’s a terrible waste that no-one is studying it” says Dr Wilkinson.
>
> Therefore, the greatest Terra-Forming experiment the world has ever
>
> known remains largely a mystery, as remote as Ascension Island itself.
>
>
>
> No doubt the usual media police gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
>
> trashing via perpetual naysayers and FUD-masters will always have to
>
> strongly object to any notions of our terraforming or darwinforming
>
> anything, except possibly a mostly frozen to death and freeze dried
>
> out Mars, because the very last thing they want any of us considering
>
> is exploiting the interior of our moon or god forbid Venus.
>
>
>
> Is there any terrain on any other planet or moon that’s as unusual or
>
> as geometric utility looking, as what this one small area of Venus has
>
> to offer?
>
>
>
> Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
>
> as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
>
> using your independent expertise as to enlarge or magnify this
>
> mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon shouldn’t be asking
>
> too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software
>
> variations tend to accomplish this automatically, although some extra
>
> filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
>
> end result (no direct pixel modifications necessary).
>
>
>
> “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
>
> question:
>
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
>
>
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
>
> Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
>
> Venus”,GuthVenus
Via applied physics and the logical use of technology can more than quadruple the Goldilocks zone of any given solar system.
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
>
>
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
>
> Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
>
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