Pop Art music DVD running time question
Nath
41 tracks.
Is this too much for a single DVD? Do you think video compression would have
to be increased for that lot to fit on?
Ta
Patrick Navin
If it's single sided then 6 hours is an awful lot of video. Compression
will be noticeable I'd say. Not that I can imagine anyone sitting
through half an hour of the Pet Shop Boys let alone 6!!
--
Patrick
"I did the grabs via a Duomix61 grabber as used by 'security sources'"
"I never grabbed them on a PC mate -they went via IE56575 to a fancy
technical thingie grabber -or something" - un-named Video capture 'expert'
Nath
"Patrick Navin" <me...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Nath wrote:
>
> > Brother bought the new pet shop boys Pop Art dvd- 360 minutes running
time,
> > 41 tracks.
> >
> > Is this too much for a single DVD? Do you think video compression would
have
> > to be increased for that lot to fit on?
> >
> > Ta
> >
> >
>
> If it's single sided then 6 hours is an awful lot of video. Compression
> will be noticeable I'd say. Not that I can imagine anyone sitting
> through half an hour of the Pet Shop Boys let alone 6!!
>
> --
> Patrick
Yeah, his annoying "talking-singing" isn't that great. Did a few good tracks
in the 80's with a good rhythm, but the newer stuff is pretty crap.
Oh yeah he bought it at the high street- scratches on the disc. I just
noticed it. The disc is a single sided, dual layer (gold colour)
Patrick Navin
> "Patrick Navin" <me...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Nath wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brother bought the new pet shop boys Pop Art dvd- 360 minutes running
>
> time,
>
>>>41 tracks.
>>>
>>>Is this too much for a single DVD? Do you think video compression would
>
> have
>
>>>to be increased for that lot to fit on?
>>>
>>>Ta
>>>
>>>
>>
>>If it's single sided then 6 hours is an awful lot of video. Compression
>>will be noticeable I'd say. Not that I can imagine anyone sitting
>>through half an hour of the Pet Shop Boys let alone 6!!
>>
>>--
>>Patrick
>
>
> Yeah, his annoying "talking-singing" isn't that great. Did a few good tracks
> in the 80's with a good rhythm, but the newer stuff is pretty crap.
>
personally I think they are one of the most shite acts of all time -
but's that's just my opnion!
> Oh yeah he bought it at the high street- scratches on the disc. I just
> noticed it. The disc is a single sided, dual layer (gold colour)
>
Even a dual layer disc is going to struggle with 6 hours. LOTR:TFOTR
struggles with a 3 hour movie and extras
Nath
> but's that's just my opnion!
What, better than Vengaboys?
They're certainly not the worst band- at least he sings live, and they write
they're own music.
Patrick Navin
but he's still Neil Tennant, and therefore a twat. And the Vengaboys at
least have some totty on display to go with their honestly mindless
electronic 'tunes' - all PSB seem to have is Andy Lowe in leather shorts
- not my scene man!
Nath
> Nath wrote:
>
> >>personally I think they are one of the most shite acts of all time -
> >>but's that's just my opnion!
> >
> >
> > What, better than Vengaboys?
> >
> > They're certainly not the worst band- at least he sings live, and they
write
> > they're own music.
> >
> >
>
> but he's still Neil Tennant, and therefore a twat. And the Vengaboys at
> least have some totty on display to go with their honestly mindless
> electronic 'tunes' - all PSB seem to have is Andy Lowe in leather shorts
> - not my scene man!
>
> --
> Patrick
Not that I like PSB, but I have to defend them against daft comments like
"totty" - who gives a fuck whether there are girls in the band, and are good
or bad looking? OK he's gay- but so where Queen singer FM..Surely it's about
the music- not the band? Although I guess The Corrs are one exception-
gorgeous and skilled musicians :-D
What bands do you rate as good?
Patrick Navin
> "Patrick Navin" <me...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Nath wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>personally I think they are one of the most shite acts of all time -
>>>>but's that's just my opnion!
>>>
>>>
>>>What, better than Vengaboys?
>>>
>>>They're certainly not the worst band- at least he sings live, and they
>
> write
>
>>>they're own music.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>but he's still Neil Tennant, and therefore a twat. And the Vengaboys at
>>least have some totty on display to go with their honestly mindless
>>electronic 'tunes' - all PSB seem to have is Andy Lowe in leather shorts
>>- not my scene man!
>>
>>--
>>Patrick
>
>
> Not that I like PSB, but I have to defend them against daft comments like
> "totty" - who gives a fuck whether there are girls in the band, and are good
> or bad looking?
maybe I needed a smiley as well as the irony?
> OK he's gay- but so where Queen singer FM..Surely it's about
> the music- not the band?
It's always about the music - exactly why I hate PSB - the music stinks
> Although I guess The Corrs are one exception-
> gorgeous and skilled musicians :-D
Very pretty girls but exceptionally dreary, middle-of-the-road music for
Dido fans
>
> What bands do you rate as good?
Too many to mention - you could Google it but just to get you started:
Madder Rose, The Strokes, Buffalo Tom, Teenage Fanclub, Kings of Leon,
Pixies, The Jayhawks, Uncle Tupelo, Varnaline, Matthew Sweet, Son Volt,
Peter Bruntnell, Queens of the Stoneage, Distillers, Wilco, Blue
Mountain, Hazeldine, Fountains of Wayne, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Olivia
Tremot Control, Screaming Trees, The Muffs, Dover, Belle and Sebastian....
I have over 1000 CDs - none of them are the Pet Shop Boys or The Corrs ;)
Bigarbel
movie. There are no fancy DD5.1 or DTS tracks on the DVD.
So 6 hours is feasable
--
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http://www.bigar.co.uk
OJLim
I think you're missing out; I used to berate the Pet Shop Boys, but I
gave them a chance recently and was surprised by how much I liked them.
You should really check out that Pop Art compilation, it really is
quality.
And I actually do like quite a bit of the music you listed too: Wilco,
Teenage Fanclub, Pixies...
-OJ
Andy
> I have over 1000 CDs - none of them are the Pet Shop Boys or The Corrs ;)
Have you still got that U2 as played by an orchestra CD? :-)
The Pet Shop Boys aren't for me, but I respect them for having a unique
sound and for writing their own material. I never much liked it, but West
End Girls really did sound fresh when it first came out.
Erasure were far better, over the top electro-pop with tin-foil suits and
way more uplifting records.
I don't know anything about The Muffs, but they've got a corker of a name.
Andy
Patrick Navin
..buy I can't stand the PSB's music - it's awful electro-pop - something
I've never liked - it'd be a waste of time me trying it
>
> And I actually do like quite a bit of the music you listed too: Wilco,
> Teenage Fanclub, Pixies...
It always amazed me how many Pixies fans there were *after* Coban had
namechecked them - the gigs were certainly more full than they were in '88!
Patrick Navin
> "Patrick Navin" <me...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>>I have over 1000 CDs - none of them are the Pet Shop Boys or The Corrs ;)
>
>
> Have you still got that U2 as played by an orchestra CD? :-)
it's been keeping old spuds and broccoli company in a land fill for some
time now
>
> The Pet Shop Boys aren't for me, but I respect them for having a unique
> sound and for writing their own material. I never much liked it, but West
> End Girls really did sound fresh when it first came out.
utter garbage they are and always will be for me. I don't like
electronic namby pamby ponce pop
>
> Erasure were far better, over the top electro-pop with tin-foil suits and
> way more uplifting records.
>
Too ghey for me
> I don't know anything about The Muffs, but they've got a corker of a name.
Corker of a lead singer too, she's small, cute and has a voice like she
smokes 60 Gitanes a day!!
Temsonic
> utter garbage they are and always will be for me. I don't like
> electronic namby pamby ponce pop
Which bit is it that offends you? The electronic part or the namby pamby
ponce part? I can't imagine you'd be blindly prejudiced enough to write
off all electronic music as utter garbage, and if it's the namby pamby
ponce part, what are you doing with Belle & Sebastian CD's?
Patrick Navin
it's the combination that offends me. Neil Tennants voice plus Hi NRG
stylee electronica plus Andy Lowe's leather shorts divided by crass
lyrics = shite ;)
I don't hate *all* electronica - I enjoy Rammstein (!), The Rentals, The
Aluminium Group, Bis, The Magnetic Fields and many more.
I prefer to think of B&S as "fey" rather than poncy ;)
Nath
"Kurt Hamster" <mrs_t...@mornington.cres> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:27:44 -0000, Temsonic used
> <AsJAb.1544$Bj6...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net> to say...
>
> > I can't imagine you'd be blindly prejudiced enough to write
> >off all electronic music as utter garbage,
>
> "music" is absolute shite and is more akin to computer programming than
> organic music creation.
>
> Why learn an instrument when you can just buy a CD full of loops and a
> copy of Cubase.
>
>
You may dislike electronic music, but you said I generalize. Look at
yourself. Another hypocrite. I wouldn't say country music is shite, most of
the stuff I don't like- but I wouldn't say it's shite. I have no right to
say so. Couple of tracks that are good. . Country & Western fans like it. I
might not like most new electronic music, but some are good (my opinion) not
fact- they're all shit.
Anyway, isn't diversity good? Should bands/groups only produce what YOU
think is good?
Musical instruments are expensive- a PC with music editing software is much
cheaper, doesn't produce noise pollution (I don't think many parents would
be too happy with there kids taking up drums) least with a PC the kid can
mix late at night with 'phones. Can't do that with any brass or string
instrument!
Nath
> with money, and who the hell said music should be easy. The *only* way
> someone can get to be a good musician is to produce what you call "noise
> pollution" and practice and practice and practice. Then when they've
> finished they go an practice some more. What they don't do is boot up a
> computer, learn a piece of software in an hour then produce what the
> musically illiterate call music.
>
Well to start learning/playing music you need a instrument, or instruments
for a band, amplifiers etc.
Surely you know that a brass instrument is pretty expensive? A full drum kit
etc..whereas a full PC setup with unlimited number of instruments/samples
can be also the home computer.. At least it gives people to write, mix,
edit, sample, and compose there own music. Experience for later, if they
make it as a proper musician or take a career in music recoding/mixing etc.
Cost comes into it because not everyone can afford it, dolt. Perhaps if
instruments were free then this issue is moot. What happens
if a young child (say 10) wants a instrument- parents refuse- so he looses
interest in music? Maybe if he can do music on his computer that'll help for
a couple of years until he's got a job and can buy his own gear.
Some parents won't accept this noise pollution. So the kid might loose
interest if they're hardly ever allowed to play it
So only people who can afford musical instruments should be allowed to be
play?
I personally think drum 'n' bass, techno, rave etc music is shite- but it
creates jobs for these people, and perhaps these skills with complex
synthizers can transfered to "proper" music- what you and I class as that.
Patrick Navin
> "Kurt Hamster" <mrs_t...@mornington.cres> wrote in message
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>
>>On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:27:44 -0000, Temsonic used
>><AsJAb.1544$Bj6...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net> to say...
>>
>>
>>>I can't imagine you'd be blindly prejudiced enough to write
>>>off all electronic music as utter garbage,
>>
>>Fuck it, I'm blindly prejudiced then as most (but not all) electronic
>>"music" is absolute shite and is more akin to computer programming than
>>organic music creation.
>>
>>Why learn an instrument when you can just buy a CD full of loops and a
>>copy of Cubase.
>>
>>
>
>
> You may dislike electronic music, but you said I generalize. Look at
> yourself. Another hypocrite. I wouldn't say country music is shite, most of
> the stuff I don't like- but I wouldn't say it's shite. I have no right to
> say so. Couple of tracks that are good. . Country & Western fans like it.
Here's a tip Nathan. 'Country and Western fans' listen to 'Country and
Western music' - 'Country fans' listen to 'country music'. If the
difference escapes you, then shut up until you know what you're talking
about.
> I
> might not like most new electronic music, but some are good (my opinion) not
> fact- they're all shit.
If i could understand your grammar I'd respond - sadly you are lacking
again.
>
> Anyway, isn't diversity good? Should bands/groups only produce what YOU
> think is good?
Diversity is wonderful. Electronic music *can* be great, but the vast
majority of it is utter crap *because* it can be achieved with
relatively tiny amounts of musical talent.
>
> Musical instruments are expensive- a PC with music editing software is much
> cheaper, doesn't produce noise pollution (I don't think many parents would
> be too happy with there kids taking up drums) least with a PC the kid can
> mix late at night with 'phones. Can't do that with any brass or string
> instrument!
What has 'mixing' to do with musicianship? 'Mixing' is the job of an
audio engineer, not a musician. Most kids wo are learning an instrument
practive in the morning as this is usually the best time and the brain
is functioning most efficiently.
Using computers to tag together sampled beats and loops teaches very
little about music craft, though it does teach something of rythm and
construction.
Personally I have always preferred music with guitars and, latterly
banjos, mandolas, mandolin etc (all of which I play). I'm not totally
averse to electronica, but find it at its best when used by real
musicians i.e. people who know how to play musical instruments.
--
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Lothar
stated on the back cover, if I remember correctly. I understand that
there is the option to listen to the 180 min running commentary
independently, i.e. without watching the videos. This would appear as
an extra 180 min track on the DVD. As it is audio only, it doesn't
equal a 360 min video running time. Thus the misunderstanding.
Temsonic
"Kurt Hamster" <mrs_t...@mornington.cres> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:27:44 -0000, Temsonic used
> <AsJAb.1544$Bj6...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net> to say...
>
> >off all electronic music as utter garbage,
>
> "music" is absolute shite and is more akin to computer programming than
> organic music creation.
I find I'm just as likely to like electronica as anything organic. At the
end of the day, when you listen back to it, it's just a combination of
sounds and there are the good bits and the shit bits. Just as much love
and inspiration can go into the creation of the music, and I can think of
many good electronic pieces that move me as a listener far more than bad
stuff with guitars. The mid to late 90's was a very exciting time for
electronica with some of my all time favourite albums being released, but
there appears to have been very little inspiration to try anything new
over the last few years.
> Why learn an instrument when you can just buy a CD full of loops and a
> copy of Cubase.
I can certainly see what you're saying. I make electronic music but I
think what I do is more of an exception. I learnt classical piano in my
formative years as well as teaching myself bass and guitar and played a
load of gigs with 'real' bands. Now at the ripe old age of 29 I've been
diagnosed with arthritis and though I can still play well enough to write,
I can't play consistently for long enough to play gigs or record stuff. I
don't use a PC either, I have a couple of synths (one of which has a 16
track sequencer) and I use a combination of step-time sequencing/looping
and playing parts into it live and 'sampling' myself, so it ends up as
this slightly peculiar organic/electro hybrid.
Patrick Navin
> "Kurt Hamster" <mrs_t...@mornington.cres> wrote in message
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>
>>On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:27:44 -0000, Temsonic used
>><AsJAb.1544$Bj6...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net> to say...
>>
>>
>>>I can't imagine you'd be blindly prejudiced enough to write
>>>off all electronic music as utter garbage,
>>
>>Fuck it, I'm blindly prejudiced then as most (but not all) electronic
>>"music" is absolute shite and is more akin to computer programming than
>>organic music creation.
>
>
> I find I'm just as likely to like electronica as anything organic. At the
> end of the day, when you listen back to it, it's just a combination of
> sounds and there are the good bits and the shit bits. Just as much love
> and inspiration can go into the creation of the music, and I can think of
> many good electronic pieces that move me as a listener far more than bad
> stuff with guitars. The mid to late 90's was a very exciting time for
> electronica with some of my all time favourite albums being released, but
> there appears to have been very little inspiration to try anything new
> over the last few years.
>
What albums Tem? I'd be interested to know.
>
>>Why learn an instrument when you can just buy a CD full of loops and a
>>copy of Cubase.
>
>
> I can certainly see what you're saying. I make electronic music but I
> think what I do is more of an exception. I learnt classical piano in my
> formative years as well as teaching myself bass and guitar and played a
> load of gigs with 'real' bands. Now at the ripe old age of 29 I've been
> diagnosed with arthritis and though I can still play well enough to write,
> I can't play consistently for long enough to play gigs or record stuff. I
> don't use a PC either, I have a couple of synths (one of which has a 16
> track sequencer) and I use a combination of step-time sequencing/looping
> and playing parts into it live and 'sampling' myself, so it ends up as
> this slightly peculiar organic/electro hybrid.
Just as I said in another post in this thread - electronic music tendsto
be at its best when created by real musicians.
My personal favourite band, Sparklehorse, use masses of electronics to
bolster their skewed country rock sound, resulting in some truly
memorable stuff.
Playing live parts and sampling them is something Beck does a lot of -
and I would rate him as a true innovator and great artist - so you're in
good company!
Temsonic
"Patrick Navin" <patrick.navi...@btinternet.com> wrote in
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> Diversity is wonderful. Electronic music *can* be great, but the vast
> majority of it is utter crap *because* it can be achieved with
> relatively tiny amounts of musical talent.
Totally agree, but you've neglected to mention that the vast majority of
guitar music is also crap :)
> What has 'mixing' to do with musicianship? 'Mixing' is the job of an
> audio engineer, not a musician. Most kids wo are learning an instrument
> practive in the morning as this is usually the best time and the brain
> is functioning most efficiently.
But mixing is something you have to get a least a basic grasp of as a
musician if you want to record yourself when you have no budget, and
having no budget is the norm for most young bands. Just as graphical
artistic talent doesn't come into the playing of the music, it's useful if
one of the band can design posters and CD covers etc. In the
practicalities of the real world most kids can't afford to hire graphic
designers any more than they can afford audio engineers.
However, I'm not sure Nath used the word 'mix' in that sense. If Nath's
hypothetical kid wants to stay up late mixing the already recorded parts
of his song into a finished product then that's fine by me. If however
said kid is a DJ, he can fuck off and learn to write his own songs
instead.
> Using computers to tag together sampled beats and loops teaches very
> little about music craft, though it does teach something of rythm and
> construction.
Agreed. But using sequencers to tag together your own beats and loops is a
different matter.
> Personally I have always preferred music with guitars and, latterly
> banjos, mandolas, mandolin etc (all of which I play). I'm not totally
> averse to electronica, but find it at its best when used by real
> musicians i.e. people who know how to play musical instruments.
I like and appreciate electronica and organic music equally. If it works
for me then I don't put too much emphasis on how the sounds were
generated. I agree with your last statement 100%.
Patrick Navin
> "Patrick Navin" <patrick.navi...@btinternet.com> wrote in
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>
>
>>Diversity is wonderful. Electronic music *can* be great, but the vast
>>majority of it is utter crap *because* it can be achieved with
>>relatively tiny amounts of musical talent.
>
>
> Totally agree, but you've neglected to mention that the vast majority of
> guitar music is also crap :)
>
tell me about it - practically every 'next big thing' on the British
rock scene included :)
Temsonic
Probably nothing that you're not already aware of, most of the artists are
regarded as pretty mainstream (or were at the time). Some favourites from
the era:
Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman, Second Toughest In The Infants
Bjork - Debut, Homogenic
Leftfield - Leftism
Portishead - Dummy, Portishead
Global Communication - Pentamorous Metamorphosis
Orbital - Brown album, Snivilisation, Insides
Tricky - Maxinquaye
Lamb - Lamb, Fear Of Fours
Massive Attack - Blue Lines, Protection, Mezzanine
Patrick Navin
Thanks for the info. Most I've heard (all except the Global Comms one)
and most have left me cold, though I apreciate their influence and
popularity and even, in some cases, craftmanship.
I tend to prefer electronica combined with a sense of whimsy or pure
pop, the above artists are all a little too 'serious' for me.
The Magnetic Fields, The Rentals would be choices. I also like Ladytron
but that might be due to the two hot honies that sing!
Nath
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Yeah I guess you're right- if the average track is 4 minutes long - 4x 41=
164 mins. Well out of 360mins. So it looks like the commentary is regarded
as extra running time. A bit misleading.