Christian values and violence in TV/Computer games
Ben Armstrong
Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
I believe the authur has a point.
The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
sayings but also some violence.
I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
Anyone care to argue the point?
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(Ben)
(brocken spell checker/no dictionary to hand; before you start :) )
fred
arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk "Ben Armstrong" wrote:
> I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
> Anyone care to argue the point?
Troll.
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Guy Fawkes
<arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
>--
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>(Ben)
you will burn in hell for eternity for this heresy, your sins will be
visited upon the sons of your sons, and you will be forever barred
from the kingdom of formentera...
GF
Debbie
>
> I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
> Anyone care to argue the point?
(S)top (P)osting (A)bsolute (M)uck - You're nothing but a troll!!
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Ben Armstrong wrote in message ...
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
>Mr Fluglsnot
>(Ben)
>
>(brocken spell checker/no dictionary to hand; before you start :) )
The church will try to stick its oar into everything that we do in our daily
lives. Never mind the violence in our video games look at the violence the
world over which has everything to do with religion. The sooner science
proves religion as nothing more than personal belief the better (analagy
being man used to worship the moon and now we think what a plonker he really
was then)
keith
Mark Anderson
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
(snip yak yak yak)
The above message was inappropriately cross-posted.
Is Ben Armstrong a wanker? Discuss.
Cheers
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John Hall
Ben Armstrong <arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes:
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
I might, but not crossposted across six groups, none of which it seems
on-topic for (uk.religion.christian would have been a much better choice
of group). Excessive crossposting is considered an abuse. As a Demon
customer, see their AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) for news:
http://www.demon.net/services/news/newsaup.html
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Joseph Otten
<arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
I'd say it was a great deal of violence.
It is interesting that the USA which is a nominally more Christian
country - higher church attendance etc - is more tolerant towards
violence on television and less tolerant towards sex.
Joe
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LB
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
No...I am an aethiest! <g>
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Remove the <label.> when replying by e-mail.
Simon Wilkinson
wrote this mini epic...
>Ben Armstrong wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>>
>> Anyone care to argue the point?
>
>
>
than one occasion
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Raj Rijhwani
arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk "Ben Armstrong" writes:
> Anyone care to argue the point?
ANother one for Billy Goat Gruff to dispense with...
*plonk*
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suze hall
<r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> writes
>> Anyone care to argue the point?
>
>ANother one for Billy Goat Gruff to dispense with...
"Trip trap, trip trap went the feet of the littlest Billy Goat Gruff.
"who's that cross posting across *my* Bridge", shouted the monstrous
troll
"Pay no attention, kids", said the biggest Billy Goat Gruff
"It's only that fuckwit Ken from uk.l.yorkshire"
And so the three Billy Goats Gruff bounded across the net to the sweet,
sunlit grass of uk.local southwest......where they grazed to their
hearts content, wondering why so many knickers were so twisted about
this one....
>*plonk*
*kerrrrrrr*
Suze
Barry Taylor
Armstrong <arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk>:
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>
As a Christian, with some theological training to boot, I probably could
- but since this subject is irrelevant to the groups you have cross-
posted it to, I will settle for asking you to write to one of the
christnet.* or alt.religion.* or uk.religion.* groups with it instead.
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John Sullivan
<joe....@virgin.net> writes
>>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>>
>>I believe the authur has a point.
>>
>>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>>sayings but also some violence.
>
>
>It is interesting that the USA which is a nominally more Christian
>country - higher church attendance etc - is more tolerant towards
>violence on television and less tolerant towards sex.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>--
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>Proud father of a new baby daughter.
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The Fourth Warrior
LB wrote in message ...
>In article <Ae3lEFAr...@armstr.demon.co.uk>, Ben Armstrong
><arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>>
>>I believe the authur has a point.
>>
>>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>>sayings but also some violence.
>>
>>
>>Anyone care to argue the point?
>
>--
>Lisa
>Remove the <label.> when replying by e-mail.
How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
during a storm at sea?
TFW
Andi Carey
.....
>
>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
>during a storm at sea?
>
>TFW
>
battles or storms have to do with it other than the fact that
unquestioning faith makes battles more likely. As far as I can see, the
death toll for subscribers of religeon and aethiets are running about
neck and neck. I take it that you are not an aethiest?
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hannah d.
:
: "Pay no attention, kids", said the biggest Billy Goat Gruff
: "It's only that fuckwit Ken from uk.l.yorkshire"
I *resent* the suggestion that k*n is from uk.local.Yorkshire.
Real Ale drinking, back slapping geeks of various nauseating descriptions
we may be, but we wouldn't harbor slime like ken.
.h, who hopes she's not overstepped the mark...
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hannah d.
: In a moment of divine intervention, Debbie <debbie....@lineone.net>
: wrote this mini epic...
: >Ben Armstrong wrote:
: >>
: >> I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
: >>
: >> Anyone care to argue the point?
: >
: >(S)top (P)osting (A)bsolute (M)uck - You're nothing but a troll!!
: >
: er...john's actually a well respected poster who's helped me out on more
: than one occasion
er, who's john?
.h
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Michael Roebuck
<su...@theworkhouse1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <902696...@courtfld.demon.co.uk>, Raj Rijhwani
><r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> Anyone care to argue the point?
>>
>
>"Pay no attention, kids", said the biggest Billy Goat Gruff
>"It's only that fuckwit Ken from uk.l.yorkshire"
>
who is hereby disclaimed as one of our posters. We have much better
taste in Yorkshire, Suze. And, as far as I know, he posts in Surrey.
The only reason we have so many Yorkshire posters in this massively
cross - posted subject is because most of us tykes genuinely hate his
views.
>And so the three Billy Goats Gruff bounded across the net to the sweet,
>sunlit grass of uk.local southwest......where they grazed to their
>hearts content, wondering why so many knickers were so twisted about
>this one....
>
>
>>*plonk*
>
>*kerrrrrrr*
>
>Suze
>
cheers from ULY
(and take care......)
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Malcolm McMahon
<arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
A lot of the Christian imagery is of a sado-masochistic nature. That's a
lot of the reason for it's power (not, I hasten to point out, that
Christian literature has anything much to do with Christ).
Guy Fawkes
<da...@detankard.u-net.com> wrote:
>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
>during a storm at sea?
how true, _I_ am an atheist at all times when my ass isn't on the
line...
GF
suze hall
s@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> writes
Ahhh, you'll be a deeply religious man then?
Suze
suze hall
<han...@scs.leeds.ac.uk> writes
>I *resent* the suggestion that k*n is from uk.local.Yorkshire.
>
>Real Ale drinking, back slapping geeks of various nauseating descriptions
>we may be, but we wouldn't harbor slime like ken.
Apologies to the collective readership of uk.l.yorkshire. An error
caused only by cross posting and not by the assumption that "yorkshire"
and "ken" had anything else in common.
And hey, my Dad was born in Leeds:)
Suze
Raj Rijhwani
Mike.R...@datacomm.ch "Michael Roebuck" writes:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:51:11 +0100, suze hall
> <su...@theworkhouse1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <902696...@courtfld.demon.co.uk>, Raj Rijhwani
> ><r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>> Anyone care to argue the point?
> >>
Get your attributions correct, please. Some other bung-hole wrote
the troll. I made the initial crack about Billy Goat Gruff.
You'll excuse me if I want to make it very clear I did not post the
initiating crap.
Robin Parkinson
arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk says...
> In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
Er. Ben, you're not a closet British Israelist are you? 'Cos otherwise I
see no relationship between the wide variety of groups you've crossposted
this to and the subject matter. Might I suggest uk.religion.christian or
somesuch instead?
- Robin.
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Ben Armstrong wrote in message ...
>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>I believe the authur has a point.
>
>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
>sayings but also some violence.
>
>I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
>
>Anyone care to argue the point?
Nicholas Berry
PC PC
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> Debbie wrote in message (snip)
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> just wondering (since my newsreader scrambles the image) what is the
> previous SUPPOSED to depict? i am intrigued!
You just need to set your newsreader font to a fixed width one (rather
than proportional), Courier, say, you should see it then.
Colin
Andi Carey
.....
>Goosey, goosey, gander,
>Whither shall I wander?
>Upstairs, and downstairs,
>And in my lady's chamber.
>There I met an old man
>Who wouldn't say his prayers!
>I took him by the left leg
>And threw him down the stairs.
>
>Says it all
Profound indeed. It could have been written by my hero, that nice Mr
Blair.
PC PC
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Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
Colin Blackburn
> i don't have the time (i'm at work). just tell me.
So am I, at work that is. I was only trying to be helpful. If your
newsreader was set to a fixed width font (two minutes tops) then you'd
see ascii art in sigs. If you can't be arsed to set it then don't expect
me to explain someone else's sig.
Colin 'who'll refrain from be helpful in future'
David Pearson
>From: "PC PC" <gc...@dial.pipex.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Christian values and violence in TV/Computer games
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:11:26 +0100
>Debbie wrote in message (snip)
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>just wondering (since my newsreader scrambles the image) what is the
>previous SUPPOSED to depict? i am intrigued!
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You'll never get one unless you use a non-proportionally spaced font (e.g.
Courier).
It (quite clearly in my newsreader) says "Debbie"
HTH
Dave
PC PC
stop getting involved then. i sent the message to whom i thought was the
owner. and all i wrote was "i don't have time. what is it?" i genuinely
meant that. sheesh, you'd have thought i called you a dork or something. i
think you won't explain it because you don't KNOW what it is, either!
anorak.
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Colin Blackburn
> > Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
> > >>Colin 'who'll refrain from be helpful in future'<<
> >
> > stop getting involved then. i sent the message to whom i thought was the
> > owner. and all i wrote was "i don't have time. what is it?" i genuinely
> > meant that. sheesh, you'd have thought i called you a dork or something. i
> > think you won't explain it because you don't KNOW what it is, either!
> > anorak.
>
PS I have a Blue Peter badge :-p
Colin
Colin Blackburn
You sent a message to the group, hence the involvement---this is a
newsgroup after all. I really was just trying to be helpful, not just
for that sig but for all the ascii art you might see in sigs in the
future. I assumed that as you had the time to read and post news from
work maybe, just maybe, you would have time to set the font on your
reader. If you really want me to explain it then it just says, debbie,
in a chunky slanty font, but do set you font sometime as it is meant to
be seen not explained.
Cheers,
Colin
PC PC
the debbie info. ahem. (big grin). uh. {says in whisper} can i have that
pin?
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Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:11:07 +0100, PC PC wrote:
>> > Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
>> > >>Colin 'who'll refrain from be helpful in future'<<
>> >
>> > stop getting involved then. i sent the message to whom i thought was
the
>> > owner. and all i wrote was "i don't have time. what is it?" i genuinely
>> > meant that. sheesh, you'd have thought i called you a dork or
something. i
>> > think you won't explain it because you don't KNOW what it is, either!
>> > anorak.
>>
>
Richard Peterson
>
>I *resent* the suggestion that k*n is from uk.local.Yorkshire.
>
Its okay, no-one believe Ken is from uk.local.Yorkshire.........it's
perfectly obvious to me that Ken is not from the planet earth:)
Richard Peterson
Bath, United Kingdom
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DAN
<gc...@dial.pipex.co.uk> writes
>uh, ahem, uh, hmmm, uh, how does one apologize. ahem. well, uh, thanks for
>the debbie info. ahem. (big grin). uh. {says in whisper} can i have that
>pin?
>
I won mine in 19~~
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How to make a puppet out of a dish mop and duster was the idea that won
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LB
<Mike.R...@datacomm.ch> writes
>who is hereby disclaimed as one of our posters. We have much better
>taste in Yorkshire, Suze. And, as far as I know, he posts in Surrey.
>The only reason we have so many Yorkshire posters in this massively
>cross - posted subject is because most of us tykes genuinely hate his
>views.
I *knew* he couldn't be a yorkshire man, 'cos they're sound! :-)
LB
<su...@theworkhouse1.demon.co.uk> writes
>Apologies to the collective readership of uk.l.yorkshire. An error
>caused only by cross posting and not by the assumption that "yorkshire"
>and "ken" had anything else in common.
>
>And hey, my Dad was born in Leeds:)
Excellent city...you have *real* blood then Suze :-)
Debbie
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<da...@detankard.u-net.com> writes
>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
>during a storm at sea?
>
andt of my shipmates were atheists, we saw too much real life to believe
in superstition.
Hwyl
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Kingsley Matthews
<su...@theworkhouse1.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <35ce910c...@news.enterprise.net>, Guy Fawkes <guy.fawke
>s@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> writes
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:47:58 -0000, "The Fourth Warrior"
>><da...@detankard.u-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>during a storm at sea?
>>
>>
>>line...
>
>Ahhh, you'll be a deeply religious man then?
>
>Suze
Only when he's at sea - at sea - get it? Never mind.
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Gwynne Harper
> you will burn in hell for eternity for this heresy, your sins will be
> visited upon the sons of your sons, and you will be forever barred
> from the kingdom of formentera...
Seems a little harsh to ne - Is cross-posting really such an awful thing
to do?
Gwynne
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
The Fourth Warrior wrote:
> LB wrote in message ...
> >In article <Ae3lEFAr...@armstr.demon.co.uk>, Ben Armstrong
> ><arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> >>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> >>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> >>
> >>I believe the authur has a point.
> >>
> >>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
> >>sayings but also some violence.
> >>
> >>I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
> >>
> >>Anyone care to argue the point?
> >
> >No...I am an aethiest! <g>
> >--
> >Lisa
> >Remove the <label.> when replying by e-mail.
>
> How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
> during a storm at sea?
>
> TFW
What a silly question! I expect you want to believe that everyone is a
christer when you wake them in the middle of the night. I've been an atheist
for nearly 50 years, and have been through some shit along the way. Loss of
my beliefs have never been a remote possibility. Know this; atheists are
invariably more highly principled than christians or any other organized
religion member. Your efforts to demean your betters only further diminish
your little self.
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
Guy Fawkes wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:47:58 -0000, "The Fourth Warrior"
> <da...@detankard.u-net.com> wrote:
>
> >How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
> >during a storm at sea?
>
> how true, _I_ am an atheist at all times when my ass isn't on the
> line...
>
> GF
Then I would have to say you are a wannabe intellectual. An agnostic,
perhaps?
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
suze hall wrote:
> In article <35ce910c...@news.enterprise.net>, Guy Fawkes <guy.fawke
> s@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> writes
> >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:47:58 -0000, "The Fourth Warrior"
> ><da...@detankard.u-net.com> wrote:
> >
> >>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
> >>during a storm at sea?
> >
> >
> >how true, _I_ am an atheist at all times when my ass isn't on the
> >line...
>
> Ahhh, you'll be a deeply religious man then?
>
> Suze
How about an opportunist?
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:39:55 +0100, Ben Armstrong
> <arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> >Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> >Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> >
> >I believe the authur has a point.
> >
> >The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
> >sayings but also some violence.
> >
> >I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
> >
> >Anyone care to argue the point?
>
> A lot of the Christian imagery is of a sado-masochistic nature. That's a
> lot of the reason for it's power (not, I hasten to point out, that
> Christian literature has anything much to do with Christ).
What power? According to the World Almanac, 70% of the world population are
NOT christian. If the majority fails to rule, they relinquish control to
the drones....
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
me place....
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> Goosey, goosey, gander,
> Whither shall I wander?
> Upstairs, and downstairs,
> And in my lady's chamber.
> There I met an old man
> Who wouldn't say his prayers!
> I took him by the left leg
> And threw him down the stairs.
>
> Says it all
> --
> ______________________________________________
>
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> 'Gluing' force about which little is currently known and whose adhesive
> power can therefore not be permanently guaranteed.
>
> Ben Armstrong wrote in message ...
> >In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> >Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> >Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> >
> >I believe the authur has a point.
> >
> >The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
> >sayings but also some violence.
> >
> >I think that Christians have double standards on this point.
> >
> >Anyone care to argue the point?
Richard Daniells
Roebuck) wrote:
>>
>who is hereby disclaimed as one of our posters. We have much better
>taste in Yorkshire, Suze. And, as far as I know, he posts in Surrey.
No way!!!! He admitted somewhere in his Majorette thread he comes from
Kent!!
a.l.surrey is just another of the many uk.local groups suffering from
cross posting syndrome.
Richard
Richard Daniells
<ric...@richard-peterson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>hannah d. wrote in message <1998Aug10.0...@leeds.ac.uk>...
>
>>
>>I *resent* the suggestion that k*n is from uk.local.Yorkshire.
>>
>
>
>Its okay, no-one believe Ken is from uk.local.Yorkshire.........it's
>perfectly obvious to me that Ken is not from the planet earth:)
He's Ken from Kent.... thinking about it you are right, not from the
planet earth!!
Richard
hoping he hasnt started another long 'racist' thread
Gwynne Harper
Neil K.
t.demon.co.uk> writes
>>taste in Yorkshire, Suze. And, as far as I know, he posts in Surrey.
>>cross - posted subject is because most of us tykes genuinely hate his
>>views.
>
>I *knew* he couldn't be a yorkshire man, 'cos they're sound! :-)
Amen and god bless that Darren Gough fellow.
--
Neil K.
Gwynne Harper
[total snip]
Sorry about the double posting - Virgin.net's news server is crap
Gwynne
Guy Fawkes
in many ways I guess I am, it just has nowt to do with doctrine or
deities...I truly believe I'd like a beer tho'
GF
Kingsley Matthews
No, not sound, they just shout a lot!
--
Kingsley
Roadie
daughter.........
And they call it the word of God.
Huh!
John Sullivan <jo...@y.ddraig.goch.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<s585MHAF...@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <35cdf17d...@news.virgin.net>, Joseph Otten
> <joe....@virgin.net> writes
> >On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:39:55 +0100, Ben Armstrong
> ><arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> >>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> >>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> >>
> >>I believe the authur has a point.
> >>
> >>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
> >>sayings but also some violence.
> >
> >I'd say it was a great deal of violence.
> >
> >It is interesting that the USA which is a nominally more Christian
> >country - higher church attendance etc - is more tolerant towards
> >violence on television and less tolerant towards sex.
> Hmm, There's sex and rape in the bible as well.
>
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Joseph Otten
> >Proud father of a new baby daughter.
> >http://freespace.virgin.net/joe.otten/
>
> John Sullivan
> -------------
> remove the dots from the first three (Welsh) words for my real address
>
Richard Daniells
Harper) wrote:
>
>Sorry about the double posting - Virgin.net's news server is crap
Oh its improved then!!!! It was never that good before!
Richard
J W B Greenwood
<URL:mailto:phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net> wrote:
>
>
> The Fourth Warrior wrote:
>
> > LB wrote in message ...
> > >In article <Ae3lEFAr...@armstr.demon.co.uk>, Ben Armstrong
> > ><arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk> writes
> > >>Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> > >>Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> > >>
> > >>I believe the authur has a point.
> > >>
> > >>The bible is IMO a fine work of fiction with some very good and true
> > >>sayings but also some violence.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Anyone care to argue the point?
> > >
> > >--
> > >Lisa
> > >Remove the <label.> when replying by e-mail.
> >
> > during a storm at sea?
> >
>
> What a silly question! I expect you want to believe that everyone is a
> christer when you wake them in the middle of the night. I've been an atheist
> for nearly 50 years, and have been through some shit along the way. Loss of
> my beliefs have never been a remote possibility. Know this; atheists are
> invariably more highly principled than christians or any other organized
> religion member. Your efforts to demean your betters only further diminish
> your little self.
>
>
We now have an ersatz god, a co-operative, Monsanto, Microsoft and
News International.
--
J W B Greenwood
<URL:mailto:gc...@dial.pipex.co.uk> wrote:
> Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
> >>Colin 'who'll refrain from be helpful in future'<<
>
> stop getting involved then. i sent the message to whom i thought was the
> owner. and all i wrote was "i don't have time. what is it?" i genuinely
> meant that. sheesh, you'd have thought i called you a dork or something. i
> think you won't explain it because you don't KNOW what it is, either!
> anorak.
>
Oh dear, we'll be pulling hair next ;-)
--
Big Egg
ric...@pncl.co.uk (Richard Daniells) wrote:
And I thought he'd mis-typed 'I am a cunt'.
--
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hannah d.
: Colin Blackburn wrote in message ...
: >>Colin 'who'll refrain from be helpful in future'<<
:
: stop getting involved then. i sent the message to whom i thought was the
: owner.
No you didn't, you sent it to uk.local.yorkshire, which is a forum read
by somewhere in the region of 1000 people (if you believe the hype:-)
: and all i wrote was "i don't have time. what is it?" i genuinely
: meant that. sheesh, you'd have thought i called you a dork or something. i
: think you won't explain it because you don't KNOW what it is, either!
ooooh. tetchy. Colin, what's a font?
: anorak.
jerkin.
.h
Stephen Southgate
<debbie....@lineone.net> produces wonderful ASCII art
>
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>/_.-=-.\| " |/.-=-._\
> /_ \(o_o)/ _\
> /_ /\/ ^ \/\ _\
> \/ | / \ | \/
> /((( )))\
> __\ \___/ /__
> (((---' '---))) ICQ# 11684113
If that is a self-portrait, then one of us is batty.
<wait for those with proportional fonts to ask what this means>
--
Stephen
Malcolm McMahon
>> A lot of the Christian imagery is of a sado-masochistic nature. That's a
>> lot of the reason for it's power (not, I hasten to point out, that
>> Christian literature has anything much to do with Christ).
>
>What power? According to the World Almanac, 70% of the world population are
>NOT christian. If the majority fails to rule, they relinquish control to
>the drones....
There's no doubt that the Bible has had a lot of power. I think it's
current decline is due to the constant barrage of sophisticated
advertising we've been bombarded with this century. It's strengthened
our psychological immune systems.
Colin Blackburn
It's where all t'wisdom comes from, you should know that as a filosofa.
Colin
Colin Blackburn
> In article <6qn5pj$kg9$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, PC PC
> <gc...@dial.pipex.co.uk> writes
> >uh, ahem, uh, hmmm, uh, how does one apologize. ahem. well, uh, thanks for
> >the debbie info. ahem. (big grin). uh. {says in whisper} can i have that
> >pin?
> >
> Once the owner of a Blue Peter badge one never parts with it.
> I won mine in 19~~
>
> It was worn with great pride on my best coat for years.
> How to make a puppet out of a dish mop and duster was the idea that won
> it for me.
>
I have to admit that I lied, sort of. The badge actually belongs to my
girlfriend but as it is on a small bear in my bedroom and she is in
Bosnia I sort of it as "mine". Still, she probably kill me, and
certainly leave me, if I sold it.
Colin
Mike B
Andi Carey wrote in message ...
>"Bet you can't say this standing on your head " said The Fourth Warrior
>.....
>>
>>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
>>during a storm at sea?
>>
>>TFW
>>
>battles or storms have to do with it other than the fact that
>unquestioning faith makes battles more likely. As far as I can see, the
>death toll for subscribers of religeon and aethiets are running about
>neck and neck. I take it that you are not an aethiest?
Try ducking for cover etc as a hail of bullets smashes into the top
of your helmet. Then see whether you say 'Of Christ' or 'Oh Random
Fluctuations in the Space-Time Continuum'. Be nice to have something
to believe in, for when all the pain has gone away for the last time...
After the death of others who were very close to you, vicars, priests
etc can have a lot to say which will comfort you... In a better place;
no more pain for them; in God's arms etc etc. Better than 'Oh well,
that's life I suppose, it has to end some time' :)
Mike
fred
<1ddimpw.1hy...@p58-chachalaca-gui.tch.virgin.net>
g.ha...@pemail.net "Gwynne Harper" wrote:
Actually, I think you might find that Heaven is quite a bit hotter
than Hell. The bible does say that in Heaven the sun shines with
the brightness of seven suns in seven days, that's going to make
it one hell of a hot place :-)
The bible doesn't say much about Hell except that there are rivers
of fire and brimstone, sulphur vapourises at 445 degrees c, I would
say that Heaven is going to be quite a bit hotter than that, what
with the sun being 49 times as bright and everything.
--
ô
õçîd
Geraint Lewis
> Try ducking for cover etc as a hail of bullets smashes into the top
> of your helmet. Then see whether you say 'Of Christ' or 'Oh Random
> Fluctuations in the Space-Time Continuum'. Be nice to have something
> to believe in, for when all the pain has gone away for the last time...
> After the death of others who were very close to you, vicars, priests
> etc can have a lot to say which will comfort you... In a better place;
> no more pain for them; in God's arms etc etc. Better than 'Oh well,
> that's life I suppose, it has to end some time' :)
the conditioning created by being brought up in a Christian based
society. Or just that religious people might just be nice people.
--
Geraint Lewis
Geraint Lewis
>
> How about an opportunist?
He possibly is, though it might not work. Picture this
There he is in a war zone getting his ass shot off so he starts
praying to God and Jesus and all that stuff. A bullet still get's
him and luckily for him he discovers there is an afterlife.
Unluckily for him, when he gets to the other side he discovers
God is a Sikh. So he might as well have stayed atheist all along.
--
Geraint Lewis
Geraint Lewis
> I really don't know where you got that from. I spent 15 years at sea
> andt of my shipmates were atheists, we saw too much real life to believe
> in superstition.
>
If we ever have a meet I will buy you a drink for speaking the
most common sense to come out of this thread.
--
Geraint Lewis
Dr Drew
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net wrote:
>What a silly question! I expect you want to believe that everyone is
a
>christer when you wake them in the middle of the night. I've been an
atheist
>for nearly 50 years, and have been through some shit along the way.
Loss of
>my beliefs have never been a remote possibility. Know this; atheists
are
>invariably more highly principled than christians or any other
organized
>religion member. Your efforts to demean your betters only further
diminish
>your little self.
>
I consider myself an agnostic. I think there is _something_ divine in
the world, or at least, forces that we do not understand, but all
organised religions are far too up their own swannee to appeal to me.
If I'm closest to anything it's Buddhism but I'm far too indisciplined
to take it any further.
Yet it's amazing how much that philosophy annoys people. It's like, "Do
you believe in God?" Yes, I answer. "Are you a Christian?" No, I'm not.
These two statements are not mutually exclusive! I can be religious
without belonging to a religion! I'm getting married in a civil
ceremony because it would be hypocritical to get married in church....
but it's still a very meaningful ceremony as far as I'm concerned, in
quite a spiritual (if not Christian) venue - why should this make a
difference?
I think I'm a good person. I like to think I'm quite charitable, help
people out, I have very little selfishness about my property and time
and I abhor violence and hypocrisy and killing. I'm sure this makes me
a "better" person - by their standards - than a lot of dyed-in-the-wool
Christians I know, but they seem to think they're the ones who do the
right thing. (see - the current debate about homosexuality &
Christianity). Whilst that attitude remains I will always be an
agnostic, but not an atheist.
--
"When it comes, the Apocalypse will present us with a fantastic opportunity for
a broad-ranging marketing drive. In marketing terms, the End of the World will be huge. "
Real e-mail: polaw<little snail>leeds.ac.uk
Steve
<SNIP>
> I consider myself an agnostic. I think there is _something_ divine in
> the world, or at least, forces that we do not understand, but all
> organised religions are far too up their own swannee to appeal to me.
> If I'm closest to anything it's Buddhism but I'm far too indisciplined
> to take it any further.
>
> "When it comes, the Apocalypse will present us with a fantastic
opportunity for
> a broad-ranging marketing drive. In marketing terms, the End of the World
will be huge. "
>
> Real e-mail: polaw<little snail>leeds.ac.uk
Oh god, I've just realised, I'm an atheist!
;-]
Steve
Steve
Richard Daniells <ric...@pncl.co.uk> wrote in article
<35cf533f...@newnews.pncl.co.uk>...
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:17:09 +0100, "Richard Peterson"
> <ric...@richard-peterson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >hannah d. wrote in message <1998Aug10.0...@leeds.ac.uk>...
> >
> >>
> >>I *resent* the suggestion that k*n is from uk.local.Yorkshire.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Its okay, no-one believe Ken is from uk.local.Yorkshire.........it's
> >perfectly obvious to me that Ken is not from the planet earth:)
>
> He's Ken from Kent.... thinking about it you are right, not from the
> planet earth!!
>
At the risk of sounding rather crude, if only his name was kun, and his
county still rhymed with his name, we'd be getting rather closer to the
truth':'-]
Steve
Smiley
Parkinson <rpark...@iclretail.icl.com> writes
>In article <Ae3lEFAr...@armstr.demon.co.uk>,
>arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk says...
>> In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
>> Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
>> Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
>
>see no relationship between the wide variety of groups you've crossposted
>this to and the subject matter. Might I suggest uk.religion.christian or
>somesuch instead?
>
> - Robin.
Could i just ask what is an accecptable post in this group as churches
and christians seem to get everywhere in the UK, and this was the start
of a disscusion about them in several UK newsgroups does this not make
sense? i do, however, agree that this kind of crossposting is a breach
of demon's AUP.
Smiley :p
email - Smiley at mallac.demon.co.uk
web - http://www.mallac.demon.co.uk (under construction)
quote - Don't take life so seriously ... it's not permanent.
ICQ - 16141921
Richy G
<01bdc51f$267064c0$1630...@stephensmith.netsol.co.uk>...
>
>> I consider myself an agnostic. I think there is _something_ divine in
>> the world, or at least, forces that we do not understand, but all
>> organised religions are far too up their own swannee to appeal to me.
>> If I'm closest to anything it's Buddhism but I'm far too indisciplined
>> to take it any further.
>>
>opportunity for
>> a broad-ranging marketing drive. In marketing terms, the End of the World
>will be huge. "
<many snips>
Draw any conclusions you think you need to. At the end of the day you've all
pretty much decided that religion's representation on Earth isn't
necessarily up to much - and on the whole I agree. But religion isn't about
people who wear daft hats and condemn you for what you do; it's about your
personal relationship with the guy who's going to save you're arse when you
really need him.
Christians believe in the bible, and do what it says. They give advice, &
preach the gospel; that's a christian doing his job. What you choose to do
with that information is your own lookout. If you have moral standards that
you're happy with, at least acknowledge that these people have an interest
in your welfare, and are doing what they think is right and leave it at
that.
When was the last time God told someone to start a war?
Compare your answer with:
When was the last time that a politician, 'religious leader' or similar
powermonger did. Making that distinction is vital if you're going to persue
this thread any longer.
Party on, and be excellent to each other.
Geraint Lewis
> When was the last time God told someone to start a war?
> Compare your answer with:
> When was the last time that a politician, 'religious leader' or similar
> powermonger did. Making that distinction is vital if you're going to persue
> this thread any longer.
>
the war but the organisation that they support. But then, these
mad men who cause wars in the name of God, wouldn't have the
power to issue such orders, if people accepted that it was all a
load of bunkum in the first place.
--
Geraint Lewis
Roadie
Smiley <Smiley...@mallac.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<QqIMeIAX...@mallac.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <MPG.1038e7a78...@news.cafevik.icl.co.uk>, Robin
> Parkinson <rpark...@iclretail.icl.com> writes
> >In article <Ae3lEFAr...@armstr.demon.co.uk>,
> >arm...@armstrNOSPAM.demon.co.uk says...
> >> In last months PC ZONE magazine there was a letter stating that
> >> Christianity is based around violent images and references while the
> >> Church complains that there is too much violence in TV/Computer games.
> >
> >Er. Ben, you're not a closet British Israelist are you? 'Cos otherwise I
> >see no relationship between the wide variety of groups you've
crossposted
> >this to and the subject matter. Might I suggest uk.religion.christian or
> >somesuch instead?
> >
> > - Robin.
> Could i just ask what is an accecptable post in this group as churches
> and christians seem to get everywhere in the UK, and this was the start
> of a disscusion about them in several UK newsgroups does this not make
> sense? i do, however, agree that this kind of crossposting is a breach
> of demon's AUP.
Well - don't use Demon to cross-post then ;-)
Guy Fawkes
>Actually, I think you might find that Heaven is quite a bit hotter
>than Hell. The bible does say that in Heaven the sun shines with
>the brightness of seven suns in seven days, that's going to make
>it one hell of a hot place :-)
>
>The bible doesn't say much about Hell except that there are rivers
>of fire and brimstone, sulphur vapourises at 445 degrees c, I would
>say that Heaven is going to be quite a bit hotter than that, what
>with the sun being 49 times as bright and everything.
HERETIC!!!!!!! >;^)
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought
down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee,
had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
GF
Guy Fawkes
<bro...@parkroad.u-net.com> wrote:
>
>We now have an ersatz god, a co-operative, Monsanto, Microsoft and
>News International.
yep, and Bill Gates is the antichrist
GF
Guy Fawkes
>Don't forget incest - Lot was allowed by god to sleep with his
>daughter.........
>
>And they call it the word of God.
>Huh!
ahem...Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to
his cross <vbg>
GF
Richy G
Absolutely - there's no argument with that. But there are confidence
tricksters and hoodwinkers in all walks of life. A certain Middle-Eastern
leader is no religious icon, but look at the trouble he can stir.
The trouble with morals is, you're not born with them. You have a choice. Be
a grade A psycho-path, or just make something of your life, and do your best
to be decent. If you're going to go for the latter, then I see no harm in
religion. In fact, I support the God & Jesus theory 100% - because science
doesn't offer *any* explanation for the big question; Why? The thought of
After life is attractive to me, if it doesn't exist, then I'm wrong - no
shakes. But if it does, I'd rather spend an eternity in Bermuda, than in
Blackpool - if you take my drift.
Perhaps the church and governments of the world should try to vet some of
the nutcases - give them all funny hair cuts so that we can recognise them
better!
:-)
Take it easy all, and no offence to people from Blackpool!
Geraint Lewis
> Absolutely - there's no argument with that. But there are confidence
> tricksters and hoodwinkers in all walks of life. A certain Middle-Eastern
> leader is no religious icon, but look at the trouble he can stir.
>
> The trouble with morals is, you're not born with them. You have a choice. Be
> a grade A psycho-path, or just make something of your life, and do your best
> to be decent. If you're going to go for the latter, then I see no harm in
> religion. In fact, I support the God & Jesus theory 100% - because science
> doesn't offer *any* explanation for the big question; Why? The thought of
> After life is attractive to me, if it doesn't exist, then I'm wrong - no
> shakes. But if it does, I'd rather spend an eternity in Bermuda, than in
> Blackpool - if you take my drift.
>
> Perhaps the church and governments of the world should try to vet some of
> the nutcases - give them all funny hair cuts so that we can recognise them
> better!
>
> :-)
>
> Take it easy all, and no offence to people from Blackpool!
not believing I ain't casting my lot in with any particular
group. Then should there be a judgement day I believe that if God
is a decent guy, he will accept my apologies when I admit I'm
wrong. If of course as many christians tell me, he won't accept
my apologies on the grounds that I didn't have faith then all I
can say is, he is not a God who I want too worship and I will
gladly burn in hell.
--
Geraint Lewis
Roadie
Guy Fawkes <guy.fawkes@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> wrote in article
<35d054ce...@news.enterprise.net>...
Roadie
Guy Fawkes <guy.fawkes@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> wrote in article
<35d051a6...@news.enterprise.net>...
Richy G
>>
>not believing I ain't casting my lot in with any particular
>group. Then should there be a judgement day I believe that if God
>is a decent guy, he will accept my apologies when I admit I'm
>wrong. If of course as many christians tell me, he won't accept
>my apologies on the grounds that I didn't have faith then all I
>can say is, he is not a God who I want too worship and I will
>gladly burn in hell.
>--
>Geraint Lewis
I get where your coming from - and it'd be nice if that is the way it works.
I simply don't know. I'm not saying I'm right and you're all wrong, it's a
choice you make personally - and a choice you live with. Personally, I'll go
for the safer option!
If it all turns out rosey in the after life - maybe I'll see you there, we
could go fishing and have a pint.
Regards;
-Rich.
LB
<king...@kandam.demon.co.uk> writes
>No, not sound, they just shout a lot!
Probably because they usually have something worthwhile hearing :-)
--
Lisa
Remove the <label.> when replying by e-mail.
Guy Fawkes
wrote:
> In fact, I support the God & Jesus theory 100% - because science
>doesn't offer *any* explanation for the big question; Why?
why must there be a "why", can't things just "be"?
surely this is enough for any man to contemplate
GF
Guy Fawkes
wrote:
>I get where your coming from - and it'd be nice if that is the way it works.
>I simply don't know. I'm not saying I'm right and you're all wrong, it's a
>choice you make personally - and a choice you live with. Personally, I'll go
>for the safer option!
>
>If it all turns out rosey in the after life - maybe I'll see you there, we
>could go fishing and have a pint.
just don't go to the catholic heaven, all the beer bottles have holes
in the bottom, and the women don't...
GF
Guy Fawkes
>INRI? ;-)
as good as any other, better than "prince of the jews"
GF
Guy Fawkes
>Sod 'em! For gomorrah we die ;-)
>
And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits; and the kings of Sodom
and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the
mountain.
I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they
commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of
evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of
them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
too long spent in catholic boarding skoolz methinks
GF
Nicholas Berry
Steve wrote in message
<01bdc521$c53ddb80$1630...@stephensmith.netsol.co.uk>...
>At the risk of sounding rather crude, if only his name was kun, and his
>county still rhymed with his name, we'd be getting rather closer to the
>truth':'-]
>
>Steve
Still you never know perhaps this Ken is God doing a bit of market research.
On his lap-top as he makes his way home on a double decker bus. Well it's no
good calling yourself God since no one will believe you and it sounds so
pretentious. However if God changed his name by depole to Ken or Kevin He
might get more credibility. I wonder what Old Nick could change his name
to...?
Nick
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Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:39:22 -0700, phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net wrote:
>
> >> A lot of the Christian imagery is of a sado-masochistic nature. That's a
> >> lot of the reason for it's power (not, I hasten to point out, that
> >> Christian literature has anything much to do with Christ).
> >
> >What power? According to the World Almanac, 70% of the world population are
> >NOT christian. If the majority fails to rule, they relinquish control to
> >the drones....
>
> There's no doubt that the Bible has had a lot of power. I think it's
> current decline is due to the constant barrage of sophisticated
> advertising we've been bombarded with this century. It's strengthened
> our psychological immune systems.
And here I've been calling it 'education'.... :-]
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fred wrote:
> On Monday, in article
> <1ddimpw.1hy...@p58-chachalaca-gui.tch.virgin.net>
> g.ha...@pemail.net "Gwynne Harper" wrote:
>
> > Guy Fawkes <guy.fawkes@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > you will burn in hell for eternity for this heresy, your sins will be
> > > visited upon the sons of your sons, and you will be forever barred
> > > from the kingdom of formentera...
> >
> > Seems a little harsh to ne - Is cross-posting really such an awful thing
> > to do?
>
> Actually, I think you might find that Heaven is quite a bit hotter
> than Hell. The bible does say that in Heaven the sun shines with
> the brightness of seven suns in seven days, that's going to make
> it one hell of a hot place :-)
>
> The bible doesn't say much about Hell except that there are rivers
> of fire and brimstone, sulphur vapourises at 445 degrees c, I would
> say that Heaven is going to be quite a bit hotter than that, what
> with the sun being 49 times as bright and everything.
>
> --
> ô
>
I knew it...I knew it...I have indeed died and gone to heaven. I live in the
Valley of the Sun - Phoenix, Arizona! Only 108f today....
> õçîd
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
Roadie wrote:
> Sod 'em! For gomorrah we die ;-)
>
> Guy Fawkes <guy.fawkes@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> wrote in article
> <35d051a6...@news.enterprise.net>...
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:36:40 GMT, fr...@fredc.demon.co.uk (fred) wrote:
> >
> > >Actually, I think you might find that Heaven is quite a bit hotter
> > >than Hell. The bible does say that in Heaven the sun shines with
> > >the brightness of seven suns in seven days, that's going to make
> > >it one hell of a hot place :-)
> > >
> > >The bible doesn't say much about Hell except that there are rivers
> > >of fire and brimstone, sulphur vapourises at 445 degrees c, I would
> > >say that Heaven is going to be quite a bit hotter than that, what
> > >with the sun being 49 times as bright and everything.
> >
> >
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Guy Fawkes wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:38:55 +0100, suze hall
> <su...@theworkhouse1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <35ce910c...@news.enterprise.net>, Guy Fawkes <guy.fawke
> >s@surfbaud.$$$$$.co.uk> writes
> >>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:47:58 -0000, "The Fourth Warrior"
> >><da...@detankard.u-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
> >>>during a storm at sea?
> >>
> >>
> >>how true, _I_ am an atheist at all times when my ass isn't on the
> >>line...
> >
> >Ahhh, you'll be a deeply religious man then?
>
> in many ways I guess I am, it just has nowt to do with doctrine or
> deities...I truly believe I'd like a beer tho'
>
> GF
My teetotal christian gramma always proudly ordered 'adams ale'....
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Mike B wrote:
> Andi Carey wrote in message ...
> >"Bet you can't say this standing on your head " said The Fourth Warrior
> >.....
> >>
> >>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
> >>during a storm at sea?
> >>
> >>TFW
> >>
> >Er.. Me! I am an aethiest, no two ways about it, I don't see what
> >battles or storms have to do with it other than the fact that
> >unquestioning faith makes battles more likely. As far as I can see, the
> >death toll for subscribers of religeon and aethiets are running about
> >neck and neck. I take it that you are not an aethiest?
>
> Try ducking for cover etc as a hail of bullets smashes into the top
> of your helmet. Then see whether you say 'Of Christ' or 'Oh Random
> Fluctuations in the Space-Time Continuum'.
Would my saying, "Shit!" after the one bullet qualify me for your contest? Oh,
what have I won?
> Be nice to have something
> to believe in, for when all the pain has gone away for the last time...
I'll be thankful enough to see the pain end. You can believe in that.
> After the death of others who were very close to you, vicars, priests
> etc can have a lot to say which will comfort you... In a better place;
> no more pain for them; in God's arms etc etc. Better than 'Oh well,
> that's life I suppose, it has to end some time' :)
"Shit" has served me well, so far....
>
>
> Mike
Andi Carey
>
>Andi Carey wrote in message ...
>>"Bet you can't say this standing on your head " said The Fourth Warrior
>>.....
>>>
>>>How many people can truely say that they are an aethist before a battle or
>>>during a storm at sea?
>>>
>>>TFW
>>>
>>Er.. Me! I am an aethiest, no two ways about it, I don't see what
>>battles or storms have to do with it other than the fact that
>>unquestioning faith makes battles more likely. As far as I can see, the
>>death toll for subscribers of religeon and aethiets are running about
>>neck and neck. I take it that you are not an aethiest?
>
>
>Try ducking for cover etc as a hail of bullets smashes into the top
>of your helmet. Then see whether you say 'Of Christ' or 'Oh Random
>to believe in,
I didn't say I didn't believe in anything but I am not prepared to go
into that as my beliefs are my own. What I find abhorrent about many
religeons is the fact that their followers don't actually need to
believe in anything their religeon claims to stand for provided that
they are *seen* to be a believer.
Exclaiming 'Oh Christ!' has as much meaning (to many Christians also) as
any of many expletives and is in no way a reflection of an individual's
beliefs.
>for when all the pain has gone away for the last time...
>After the death of others who were very close to you, vicars, priests
>etc can have a lot to say which will comfort you...
>
I would rather this job was carried out by someone who actually cared
rather than someone who was merely being paid to do it.
--
Andi Carey - Fashion guru, pioneer of newfanglery etc.
Icy Queue number 16675372
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Geraint Lewis wrote:
> Mike B wrote:
> > Try ducking for cover etc as a hail of bullets smashes into the top
> > of your helmet. Then see whether you say 'Of Christ' or 'Oh Random
> > Fluctuations in the Space-Time Continuum'. Be nice to have something
> > to believe in, for when all the pain has gone away for the last time...
> > After the death of others who were very close to you, vicars, priests
> > etc can have a lot to say which will comfort you... In a better place;
> > no more pain for them; in God's arms etc etc. Better than 'Oh well,
> > that's life I suppose, it has to end some time' :)
> So how does this prove that God actually exists. Or does it prove
> the conditioning created by being brought up in a Christian based
> society. Or just that religious people might just be nice people.
> --
> Geraint Lewis
My father was slowly and painfully dying of cancer in a hospital. A retired
minister stuck his head in the room and asked if he wanted to talk. Dad,
said, "Sure, as long we don't talk about our mutual religions, I'll welcome
the company!". Exit one minister.