Transport to /from Sheffield airport
martinp
Airport?
b)Is there an airport bus or other form of public transport operating
between Sheffield Airport and the Centre of Sheffield?
Martin
Michael Roebuck
wrote:
>a) Can anyone tell me the number of KLM, KLM/UK or Air UK at Sheffield
>Airport?
Directory Enquiries?
>b)Is there an airport bus or other form of public transport operating
>between Sheffield Airport and the Centre of Sheffield?
This would interest me, too. Just where one can fly to direct from
Sheffield Airport would interest me too.
>Martin
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Gordon Harris
<Mike.R...@cobblers.datacomm.ch> writes
>On Tue, 4 May 1999 17:21:25 +0200, "martinp " <m.pat...@consunet.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>a) Can anyone tell me the number of KLM, KLM/UK or Air UK at Sheffield
>>Airport?
>
>>between Sheffield Airport and the Centre of Sheffield?
>
>This would interest me, too. Just where one can fly to direct from
>Sheffield Airport would interest me too.
>
sure. (X-posted)
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LINDRICK
minutes. Sabena are apparantly going to start flights to Brussels, and
Dublin is also a future possibility (Amsterdam for now tho)
Douglas Maclean
LINDRICK <p...@mewboldb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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to Glasgow, Edinburgh, London City and possibly Belfast.
D
Michael Roebuck
<p...@mewboldb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Sabena are apparantly going to start flights to Brussels,
>
That's very interesting - flights home with only a change in Brussels,
and air-miles all the way (Sabena being mostly owned and completely
managed by Swissair) - excellent. Thanks guys!
Dave Wragg
major destinations from around June/July
Dave
martinp
<Mike.Roebuck@ cobblers.datacomm.ch (Michael Roebuck)> wrote in message
news:3734a3cc...@news.datacomm.ch...
> >
> and air-miles all the way (Sabena being mostly owned and completely
> managed by Swissair) - excellent. Thanks guys!
partners' airmiles.
On the other hand Swiss Air provides much better service between A'dam and
Zurich, I assume this is typical. A year ago when I travelled weekly between
A'dam and Zurich , the points/airmiles from 4 business class return flights
to A'dam Zurich were enough for a free economy class return ticket with KLM
whereas 10 return flights were needed by Swiss Air. Despite this I decided
that the Swissair service was so vastly superior, I flew Swissair.
IanR
>KLM currently fly to Amsterdam and back 3 times a day and it takes about 80
>minutes. Sabena are apparantly going to start flights to Brussels, and
>Dublin is also a future possibility (Amsterdam for now tho)
>
>>>
>>>This would interest me, too. Just where one can fly to direct from
>>>Sheffield Airport would interest me too.
>>>
>
>
>
when we opened our Brussels office. It was awful, I thought I was going to
have to get out and push at one point.
By the time we got back to the UK I was ready to kiss the tarmac like the
pope.
We finally worked out that Sabena stands for Such A Bad Experience, Never
Again.
<shudder>
IanR
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Dave Wragg <d.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> There is also Jersey for some strange reason. Also GO is planning some
> major destinations from around June/July
>
> Dave
>
> LINDRICK wrote:
> >
80
> > minutes
Little known fact
A KLM economy class return to Japan from Sheffield via Amsterdam is about
UKP 500 less than Amsterdam-Japan return direct. Similar discounting is
available on other Sheffield via Amsterdam routes. I would be interested to
know the Sheffield-Heathrow via A'dam fare :-)
Carl France
<d.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> writes;-
>There is also Jersey for some strange reason. Also GO is planning some
>major destinations from around June/July
Now that would be funny, a "Go" 737 landing at Sheffield, dont visit
Meadowhall when it is due to land!
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Michael Roebuck
wrote:
>>
>Ugh SABENA ! Myself and some colleagues had to use this outfit last year
>when we opened our Brussels office. It was awful, I thought I was going to
>have to get out and push at one point.
>By the time we got back to the UK I was ready to kiss the tarmac like the
>pope.
>
>We finally worked out that Sabena stands for Such A Bad Experience, Never
>Again.
>
><shudder>
>
>
>IanR
If you fly from Brussels to London on Sabena (Such A BLOODY Experience
Never Again, BTW), you'll find yourself on board a Branson Belgian
special - Virgin Express 737. I've used them, and I've used Sabena,
and I know which I prefer, and it ain't Branson-air!
Dr Drew
"IanR" <cypher...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ugh SABENA ! Myself and some colleagues had to use this outfit last
year
>when we opened our Brussels office. It was awful, I thought I was
going to
>have to get out and push at one point.
>By the time we got back to the UK I was ready to kiss the tarmac like
the
>pope.
>
>We finally worked out that Sabena stands for Such A Bad Experience,
Never
>Again.
Is _everything_ Belgian shagged? The justice and police systems are
totally fucked - look at that Marc Dutroux [sp?] case. Apparently the
national football team recently scraped a draw with Luxembourg or
something, and if they weren't hosts for 2000 would not qualify - about
eight of them (this is the _national_ team, remember) recently failed
basic fitness tests. Does anything in Belgium work well at all?
Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
really :-)
><shudder>
>
>
>IanR
>
>
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>
> In article <7gp9rk$3mr$1...@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net>,
> "IanR" <cypher...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ugh SABENA ! Myself and some colleagues had to use this outfit last
> year
> >when we opened our Brussels office. It was awful, I thought I was
> going to
> >have to get out and push at one point.
> >By the time we got back to the UK I was ready to kiss the tarmac like
> the
> >pope.
> >
> >We finally worked out that Sabena stands for Such A Bad Experience,
> Never
> >Again.
>
> Is _everything_ Belgian shagged? The justice and police systems are
> totally fucked - look at that Marc Dutroux [sp?] case. Apparently the
> national football team recently scraped a draw with Luxembourg or
> something, and if they weren't hosts for 2000 would not qualify - about
> eight of them (this is the _national_ team, remember) recently failed
> basic fitness tests. Does anything in Belgium work well at all?
>
> Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
> really :-)
How about the chocolate? Spent a day in Bruges going from chocolate shop
to chocolate shop and it was brilliant.
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Dr Drew <drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Is _everything_ Belgian shagged?
<snip>
> Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
> really :-)
What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
& Chocolates, beers, coffee, steak'n'chips, waffles...
Any non-fictional / food suggestions?
Fenny
>
> Dr Drew <drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:7grnsv$8g8...@leeds.ac.uk...
> > Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
> > really :-)
> What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
> & Chocolates, beers, coffee, steak'n'chips, waffles...
> Any non-fictional / food suggestions?
All I can say is 'Plastic Bertrand'
I rest my case ;-)
Fenny
Colin Blackburn
...Ooooh ourh ooooh uh, sa plan pour moi!
[altogether now]
> I rest my case ;-)
Dunno, they've got that big miniature Europe thing and that atomic
wotsit.
And, to my mind, the Grand(e) Place in Brussels is one of the most
spectacular city spaces in Europe
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>
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:05:22 +0100 in article
> <37318582...@net.ntl.com>, Fenny wrote:
> > All I can say is 'Plastic Bertrand'
>
> ...Ooooh ourh ooooh uh, sa plan pour moi!
> [altogether now]
>
I just had a thought of the less aged ulygans thinking 'what are they
on'. Must have been about 1978/9 IIRC. Oh, I feel old today.
Fenny
hannah d.
Good god, fenny, you read my mind:-)
h, who rather liked belgium the one time i went there, but
i never did have any taste.
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> Good god, fenny, you read my mind:-)
>
So, what am I thinking now, then?
<BEG>
Fenny
Steve Loft
> h, who rather liked belgium the one time i went there, but
> i never did have any taste.
My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
Brussels-Midi station.
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>
> Dr Drew <drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:7grnsv$8g8...@leeds.ac.uk...
> <snip>
> > Is _everything_ Belgian shagged?
> <snip>
> > Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
> > really :-)
>
> What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
> & Chocolates, beers, coffee, steak'n'chips, waffles...
OK, so apart from the beer and Tintin and Inspector Poirot and Chocolates
and coffee and steak'n'chips and waffles... what have the Belgians ever
done for us?
Simon Wilkinson
pondered and pissed about until finally deciding to scrawl:
>Jez Thomas wrote:
>>
>> Dr Drew <drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7grnsv$8g8...@leeds.ac.uk...
>> > Is _everything_ Belgian shagged?
>> > Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
>> > really :-)
>
>> What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
>> & Chocolates, beers, coffee, steak'n'chips, waffles...
>
>> Any non-fictional / food suggestions?
>
>All I can say is 'Plastic Bertrand'
>
>I rest my case ;-)
>
>Fenny
I actually picked the original "ca plane pour moi" (before that
knobhead ruined it) which was written and recorded by Elton Motello
with the original title of "Jet Boy Jet Girl!" It's a brilliant opus
to the joys of gay sado-masochistic sex. Wonder why it never got on
the wireless?
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Steve Fleischer
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> My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
> Brussels-Midi station.
Was everything in Belgium shagged when you were there then? Or was that the
cause of the argument? ;-)
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Tez Burke
Dr...@thegeegees.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
<etc>
> I actually picked the original "ca plane pour moi" (before that
> knobhead ruined it) which was written and recorded by Elton Motello
> with the original title of "Jet Boy Jet Girl!" It's a brilliant opus
> to the joys of gay sado-masochistic sex. Wonder why it never got on
> the wireless?
circa 1979. "Elton Motello" was none other than Captain Sensible BTW. I've
still got both this and Plastic Bertrand's version for my sins.
Anyway you all forgot the great Jacques Brel - a brilliant Belgian. Mind
you, the Sensational Alex Harvey Band's version of "Next" is better than
the original.
Any country that can knock out beer, chips and chocolate to those high
standards can't be all bad - still any country whose most famous tourist
attraction is the statue of a little boy having a piss over the people in
the capital's town hall square must have a serious image problem.
Oh, and lest I forget - Anderlecht 5 Leeds United 1 anybody? Two goals for
a certain Marc Degryse, of whom I'm sure that Fenny will back me up on
when I say he wasn't very good ;-)
Tez Burke.
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hannah d.
: In article <1999May6.1...@leeds.ac.uk>, hannah d. wrote:
:
: > h, who rather liked belgium the one time i went there, but
: > i never did have any taste.
: My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
: Brussels-Midi station.
:
ah, you were in a city. cities abroad are wierd, they're
either lovely or awful. Nothing in between.
I went to Ypres, which as you may know is a beautiful medieval
town that's less than 50 years old.
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: Y*
that's a bit of a minimalist geek code isn't it?
h
Mark Trudgill
from Fenny <yorks...@net.ntl.com> contains these words:
> Jez Thomas wrote:
>
> > What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
> > & Chocolates, beers, coffee, steak'n'chips, waffles...
>
> > Any non-fictional / food suggestions?
Just about anything you can smeer a 3" coating of mayonaise on.
> All I can say is 'Plastic Bertrand'
> I rest my case ;-)
"It's OK by me" <groan>
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martinp
Marcus Houlden <"~{$!/news%web\\!$}~"@flimflam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > Is _everything_ Belgian shagged? The justice and police systems are
> > totally fucked - look at that Marc Dutroux
[sp?] caseDoes anything in Belgium work well at all?
My wife, who is from Liege is totally and fully functional :-)
Be careful or I will set her on you, next time we are in UK.
> >
> > Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
> > really :-)
Best Chips in the world outside Holland, some of the best food in Europe.
>
> How about the chocolate? Spent a day in Bruges going from chocolate shop
> to chocolate shop and it was brilliant.
Hope you were sick :-)
Simon Wilkinson
Burke) pondered and pissed about until finally deciding to scrawl:
> "Elton Motello" was none other than Captain Sensible BTW
Tez Burke...the font of all knowledge
never knew that Tez...cheers
Les Hellawell
> OK, so apart from the beer and Tintin and Inspector Poirot and Chocolates
> and coffee and steak'n'chips and waffles... what have the Belgians ever
> done for us?
If you like jazz you will appreciate what Adolph Sax invented.
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Les Hellawell
Fenny asked;
> > Any non-fictional / food suggestions?
Belgium is generally regarded as the greatest nation in
cycle racing producing many great stars over the years.
Andi Carey
<drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> writes
>Is _everything_ Belgian shagged?
[snipped, Belgian things that are 'shagged']
>
>Oh, hang on - the beer. Forgot about that. So that makes the place OK
>really :-)
>
Good Beer, Good Chocolate, Cheap baccy. There's something to be said for
their priorities.
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x...@nomail.com
(Michael Roebuck) wrote:
>On Wed, 5 May 1999 12:25:38 +0100, "IanR" <cypher...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>Ugh SABENA ! Myself and some colleagues had to use this outfit last year
>>when we opened our Brussels office. It was awful, I thought I was going to
>>have to get out and push at one point.
>>By the time we got back to the UK I was ready to kiss the tarmac like the
>>pope.
>>
>>We finally worked out that Sabena stands for Such A Bad Experience, Never
>>Again.
>>
>><shudder>
>>
Nope the saying goes back way before the mid sixties...and the word
Bad was/is *bloody* <s>
martin
Steve Loft
> ah, you were in a city. cities abroad are wierd, they're
> either lovely or awful. Nothing in between.
I didn't have any choice, that's where the train stopped.
>
> I went to Ypres, which as you may know is a beautiful medieval
> town that's less than 50 years old.
All I know about Wipers is that it was the site of many a bloody battle in
WWI.
> : Y*
>
> that's a bit of a minimalist geek code isn't it?
I'm working on it.
--
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Y* L+++
Steve Loft
> Was everything in Belgium shagged when you were there then? Or was that
> the
> cause of the argument? ;-)
Well how was I to know the silly cow would want me to pay for having a
piss? It was enough of a shock to find her sitting in the Gents in the
first place. And then when I tried to pay her in Italian Lira I thought
she was going to explode.
--
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Y* L+++
Steve Loft
> If you like jazz you will appreciate what Adolph Sax invented.
Mmmmmmmmmm, cooooool. :-)
Steve Loft
Tez Burke wrote:
> In article <37389cac...@news.freeserve.net>,
> Dr...@thegeegees.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> <etc>
> > I actually picked the original "ca plane pour moi" (before that
> > knobhead ruined it) which was written and recorded by Elton Motello
> > with the original title of "Jet Boy Jet Girl!" It's a brilliant opus
> > to the joys of gay sado-masochistic sex. Wonder why it never got on
> > the wireless?
> It did once. Annie Nightingale played it on her Sunday afternoon show
> circa 1979. "Elton Motello" was none other than Captain Sensible BTW.
> I've
> still got both this and Plastic Bertrand's version for my sins.
Just a minute. I thought that PB's version *was* the original, and was
written by another Belgian? In '77? I've got a copy somewhere but I
drilled a big hole in the middle of it. Then Elton Motello (a band, not
a person) did a cover version in 79/80 ish, but in English (Jet Boy/Jet
Girl) and then finally Captain Sensible did a cover of that version in the
early 80s sometime? But then again I'm probably making all this up, the
late 70s/early 80s were a bit of a drunken haze for me.
Fenny
> Steve Loft, Doncaster, GOC.
> Y* L+++
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Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>In article <7gs8rd$l0n$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>, Steve Fleischer wrote:
>
>> Was everything in Belgium shagged when you were there then? Or was that
>> the
>> cause of the argument? ;-)
>
>Well how was I to know the silly cow would want me to pay for having a
>piss? It was enough of a shock to find her sitting in the Gents in the
>first place. And then when I tried to pay her in Italian Lira I thought
>she was going to explode.
>
And what is a nice lady like you doing, sitting in the little boys room.
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>
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Mike Swift
>national football team recently scraped a draw with Luxembourg or
>something, and if they weren't hosts for 2000 would not qualify - about
>eight of them (this is the _national_ team, remember) recently failed
>basic fitness tests. Does anything in Belgium work well at all?
Ah the joys of the Internet, I've received complaints from some toss pot
about this post before I received it. Tardis or what.
Mike
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Mike Swift
<whit...@enterprise.net> writes
>Belgium is generally regarded as the greatest nation in
>cycle racing producing many great stars over the years.
And FA else.
Mike
Who once had a very passable horse steak in Belgium.
Mike Swift
<"~{$!/news%web\\!$}~"@flimflam.demon.co.uk> writes
>How about the chocolate? Spent a day in Bruges going from chocolate shop
>to chocolate shop and it was brilliant.
You Bastard, dark chocolate after a night on the beer, how could you,
Aggggggh.. :-)
Mike
MentorH
st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
>> If you like jazz you will appreciate what Adolph Sax invented.
If you appreciate test pieces, he also invented the saxhorn family, incuding
the tenor horn and baritones found in brass bands.
Mentorh
martinp
Mark Trudgill <mtru...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
Now for the real test.
Name 10 famous REAL Belgians dead or alive.
martinp
Tez Burke <burke...@rubbish.net> wrote in message news:burkesworks-
> Any country that can knock out beer, chips and chocolate to those high
> standards can't be all bad
The only country in Europe with an extensive motorway system illuminated at
night from end to end. I think this was the result of a study showing that
motorway lighting is cheaper than motorway accidents.
- still any country whose most famous tourist
> attraction is the statue of a little boy having a piss over the people in
> the capital's town hall square must have a serious image problem.
Perhaps a sense of humour?
martinp
Steve Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message But then again
I'm probably making all this up, the
> late 70s/early 80s were a bit of a drunken haze for me.
martinp
Steve Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message what have the
Belgians ever
> done for us?
Colin Blackburn
Colin
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Fenny <yorks...@net.ntl.com> wrote:
>Colin Blackburn wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:05:22 +0100 in article
>> <37318582...@net.ntl.com>, Fenny wrote:
>
>> > All I can say is 'Plastic Bertrand'
>>
>> [altogether now]
>>
>I just had a thought of the less aged ulygans thinking 'what are they
>on'. Must have been about 1978/9 IIRC. Oh, I feel old today.
>
>Fenny
Or you could just have watched anything Antoine de Caunes has made in
the last few years - Plastique (note sp.) Bertrand must sing that
bloody song every two or three programmes.....
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Dr Drew
st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk (Steve Loft) wrote:
>In article <1999May6.1...@leeds.ac.uk>, hannah d. wrote:
>
>> i never did have any taste.
>
>My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
>Brussels-Midi station.
>
Ladies' or Gents'?
Dr Drew
Mike Swift <mike....@yeton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <7grnsv$8g8...@leeds.ac.uk>, Dr Drew
><drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> writes
>>Is _everything_ Belgian shagged? The justice and police systems are
>>totally fucked - look at that Marc Dutroux [sp?] case. Apparently the
>>national football team recently scraped a draw with Luxembourg or
>>something, and if they weren't hosts for 2000 would not qualify -
about
>>eight of them (this is the _national_ team, remember) recently failed
>>basic fitness tests. Does anything in Belgium work well at all?
>
>
>Ah the joys of the Internet, I've received complaints from some toss
pot
>about this post before I received it. Tardis or what.
>
>Mike
No, just the time difference. Belgium is one hour ahead of us.
Fenny
> >I just had a thought of the less aged ulygans thinking 'what are they
> >on'. Must have been about 1978/9 IIRC. Oh, I feel old today.
>
> Or you could just have watched anything Antoine de Caunes has made in
> the last few years - Plastique (note sp.) Bertrand must sing that
> bloody song every two or three programmes.....
I'm so old, I'm usually in bed at that time of night (on my own :-( ).
I only watch Eurotrash/balls occasionally and I've never seen PB on
there.
Fenny
Steve Loft
> ooh Steve
>
> It's growing !
I thought of you and it grew a bit more!
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hannah d.
: In article <1999May6.1...@leeds.ac.uk>, hannah d. wrote:
: > town that's less than 50 years old.
:
: All I know about Wipers is that it was the site of many a bloody battle in
: WWI.
:
it was effectively demolished, and they decided to rebuild it
based along the lines of the original - so their medieval
cathedral was finished in the '50s.
The museum in Ypres is one of the best museums i've ever been
to - it's called 'in flanders fields' and is the only museum
that's ever made me cry.
h
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>Nope the saying goes back way before the mid sixties...and the word
>Bad was/is *bloody* <s>
>martin
I stand corrected. We thought it was very witty at the time. <grin>
It is the only flight I have ever been on where I ended up *wearing* my
beer. Bloody incompetents the lot of them.
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Colin Blackburn <phys...@ermine.ox.ac.GUBBINS.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 May 1999 10:36:39 +0200 in article
> <7gu8g1$veq$1...@news2.estec.esa.nl>, martinp wrote:
> >
> > Steve Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message what have the
> > Belgians ever
> > > done for us?
> > Got us into WW1?
> I thought the Bosnians did that.
join in WW1.
Bosnia - Austria
Austria+Germany+ Hungary against Russia
Russia+France
Russia+France+Italy
UK+Commonwealth+Russia+France+Italy against Austria+Germany+ Hungary+Japan
USA+UK+Commonwealth+Russia+France+Italy against Austria+Germany+
Hungary+Japan
fAdd to and rearrange as neccessary
Britain was dragged into WW1, because Britain had guaranteed Belgian
neutrallity.
Britain was dragged into WW1I, because Britain had guaranteed Polish
neutrallity.
Britain will bedragged into WW1!!, because Britain has guaranteed *******
neutrallity.
Jez Thomas
MentorH <men...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990506233211...@ngol01.aol.com...
> In article <memo.19990506...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk>,
> st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
>
> >> If you like jazz you will appreciate what Adolph Sax invented.
>
> If you appreciate test pieces, he also invented the saxhorn family,
incuding
> the tenor horn and baritones found in brass bands.
> Mentorh
I'd forgotten that! We should adopt Mr Sax posthumously as an honorary
Yorshireman for inventing half the brass that makes brass bands.
So something useful has come out of Belgium after all.
Mike Swift
<han...@scs.leeds.ac.uk> writes
>The museum in Ypres is one of the best museums i've ever been
>to - it's called 'in flanders fields' and is the only museum
>that's ever made me cry.
You don't want to go to RAF Hendon then, the Battle of Britain museum
has 'the few' speech and the name of every pilot killed in the action
carved round the walls.
The hairs on my neck have just stood to attention in respect.
Steve Loft
> >My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
> >Brussels-Midi station.
> >
>
> Ladies' or Gents'?
I was sober, so it was most likely the Gents.
Steve Loft
> it was effectively demolished, and they decided to rebuild it
> based along the lines of the original - so their medieval
> cathedral was finished in the '50s.
It sounds interesting. If I ever pluck up the courage to go to/through
Belgium again, I'll try to have a look.
Steve Loft
> Britain will bedragged into WW1!!, because Britain has guaranteed
> *******
> neutrallity.
American?
Les Hellawell
> Name 10 famous REAL Belgians dead or alive.
I will cheat slightly and refer to people born within
the area that is now Belgium
1 Eddy Mercx - famous cycle racer (son still racing)
2 Cesar Franck - composer
3 Adolph Sax - inventor
4 Hieronymous Bosch - painter
5 Jacob Van Eyck - invented oil painting
6 Roger van der Weyden - painter
7 Gerhardus Mercator - mapmaker
8 Peter Breugel - painter
9 George Simenon - wrote detective stories
10 Renee Magritte - surreal painter
Oh, and the man who threw a pie at Bill Gates
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Simon Wilkinson
(Steve Loft) pondered and pissed about until finally deciding to
scrawl:
>Just a minute. I thought that PB's version *was* the original, and was
>written by another Belgian? In '77? I've got a copy somewhere but I
>drilled a big hole in the middle of it. Then Elton Motello (a band, not
>a person) did a cover version in 79/80 ish, but in English (Jet Boy/Jet
>Girl) and then finally Captain Sensible did a cover of that version in the
>early 80s sometime? But then again I'm probably making all this up, the
>late 70s/early 80s were a bit of a drunken haze for me.
Don't ask me Steve...all i know is, it's a great record
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Andi Carey
<whit...@enterprise.net> writes
>Oh, and the man who threw a pie at Bill Gates
Never mind the arty farty stuff, this is the kind of thing that makes a
nation *great*!
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Steve Fleischer
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> > Mark Trudgill wrote in message;
>
> > Name 10 famous REAL Belgians dead or alive.
(snip)
> 4 Hieronymous Bosch - painter
> 5 Jacob Van Eyck - invented oil painting
> 6 Roger van der Weyden - painter
snip
> 8 Peter Breugel - painter
snip
> 10 Renee Magritte - surreal painter
4 painters and a man who invented oil painting! Belgium should be reported
to the Monopolies Commission.
And to think, I thought number 4 invented power tools ;-)
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martinp
hannah d. <han...@scs.leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:1999May7.1...@leeds.ac.uk...
> Steve Loft (st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
> : In article <1999May6.1...@leeds.ac.uk>, hannah d. wrote:
> : > I went to Ypres, which as you may know is a beautiful medieval
> : > town that's less than 50 years old.
> :
> : All I know about Wipers is that it was the site of many a bloody battle
in
> : WWI.
> :
>
> based along the lines of the original - so their medieval
> cathedral was finished in the '50s.
martinp
Dr Drew <drew.s...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >My memory of Belgium is arguing with a large woman in the toilets at
> >Brussels-Midi station.
> >
>
> Ladies' or Gents'?
martinp
Jez Thomas <j...@supercow.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > I'd forgotten
that! We should adopt Mr Sax posthumously as an honorary
> Yorshireman for inventing half the brass that makes brass bands.
mining?
Beth
Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> was wittering on about:
>In article <MAY0TeB2...@flyboat.demon.co.uk>, Beth wrote:
>
>> ooh Steve
>>
>> It's growing !
>
>I thought of you and it grew a bit more!
but Steve ... it's still not very long!
>
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Steve Loft
> >I thought of you and it grew a bit more!
>
> but Steve ... it's still not very long!
So I keep being told...
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Les Hellawell
I reported
> >Oh, and the man who threw a pie at Bill Gates
and Andi Carey retorted;
> Never mind the arty farty stuff, this is the kind of thing that makes a
> nation *great*!
Right! :-)
Beth
>
>> >I thought of you and it grew a bit more!
>>
>> but Steve ... it's still not very long!
>
>So I keep being told...
>
I see it's still growing ... how long before we get to call you "Big
Boy" ?
Ian Guy
I did a business plan re. this place late last year and contacted some
parties re. financing a new service using RJ85's for regional and some Euro
work (Basically a no-frill's easyJet thing from Sheffield). I was blanked by
them all - the are 10 miles round has around 1 million, widen this to 50
miles and your getting on for 5 or 6 million potential customers.
Give me the money and I'll get this place started! (and cheap air travel to
boot)
Ian
IanR wrote in message <7gufiv$g2b$1...@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net>...
Peter Metcalf
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
>
>Mark Trudgill <mtru...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > > What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
>Simenon's Maigret surely?
>Now for the real test.
>Name 10 famous REAL Belgians dead or alive.
>
>
Charlemagne would have been a Belgian if there had been any then.
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Tez Burke
<pe...@humboldt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It's not really fair as they were only invented in the 1800s.
> Charlemagne would have been a Belgian if there had been any then.
Close, Peter, but no cigar. Charlemagne was born at Aix-la-Chapelle (as in
Robert Browning's "How They Brought The Good News From Ghent To...."),
which is now known as Aachen, just on the German side of the border. If
he'd have been born ten miles up the motorway, he'd have been a Belgian -
and if he'd been born ten miles up the other motorway he'd have been
Dutch.
Anyway re recently dead Belgians; does the late great Sir Dirk Bogarde count?
Tez Burke.
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>
> In article <37317663...@flimflam.demon.co.uk>, Marcus Houlden
> <"~{$!/news%web\\!$}~"@flimflam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >How about the chocolate? Spent a day in Bruges going from chocolate shop
> >to chocolate shop and it was brilliant.
>
> You Bastard, dark chocolate after a night on the beer, how could you,
> Aggggggh.. :-)
Unfortunately I wasn't allowed to drink. I was 13 at the time and this
was a school trip. Not that that stopped the teachers though. . .
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>
> In article <memo.19990508...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk>, Steve
> Loft <st...@klaatu.freeserve.co.uk> was wittering on about:
> >In article <dBNgDzAk...@flyboat.demon.co.uk>, Beth wrote:
> >
> >> >I thought of you and it grew a bit more!
> >>
> >> but Steve ... it's still not very long!
> >
> >So I keep being told...
> >
>
> I see it's still growing ... how long before we get to call you "Big
> Boy" ?
at least 3"
Terri
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martinp
Tez Burke <burke...@rubbish.net> wrote in message
> Anyway re recently dead Belgians; does the late great Sir Dirk Bogarde
count?
herself.
I also thought he was of Belgian origin
Dr Drew
><m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
>>
>>Mark Trudgill <mtru...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> > > What about Tintin? & Inspector Poirot?...
>>Simenon's Maigret surely?
>>Now for the real test.
>>Name 10 famous REAL Belgians dead or alive.
>>
>>
>Charlemagne would have been a Belgian if there had been any then.
And Pontius Pilate was an Englishman (true, apparently - he was the son of a
Roman centurion stationed here).
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Born and bred in England, of Dutch origin, IIRC.
Ian Dinsdale
wrote:
>
>> Anyway re recently dead Belgians; does the late great Sir Dirk Bogarde
>count?
>
>I also thought he was of Belgian origin
>
With a name like Derek Jules Ulric Niven van den Bogaerde it's a fair
bet he wasn't from Barnsley.
Funny comparing him with the late Ollie Reed.
They both made a career of portraying themselves on screen, yet DB,
judging by the obits is regarded as a fine actor, and OR as having
wasted whatever talent he possessed.
Still, I'd guess he had more fun in the process.
Cheers
Ian D
Tez Burke
(Ian Dinsdale) wrote:
> With a name like Derek Jules Ulric Niven van den Bogaerde it's a fair
> bet he wasn't from Barnsley.
Dunno - there are plenty of Dereks in Barnsley ;-)
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Tez Burke <burke...@rubbish.net> writes
>In article <373e6426...@news.force9.net>, i...@idinsdal.force9.co.uk
>(Ian Dinsdale) wrote:
>
>> With a name like Derek Jules Ulric Niven van den Bogaerde it's a fair
>> bet he wasn't from Barnsley.
>
>Dunno - there are plenty of Dereks in Barnsley ;-)
>Tez Burke.
>
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Hi Ian,
Have you tried the British Venture Capital Association? Email me if you
want more details. I don't hold out much hope, but you might have more
luck than me. I think I would refer to them as British Certainists,
rather than Venturists, but that's a personal opinion based on 1
experience!
Good luck.
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>The B*st**d's!
>
>I did a business plan re. this place late last year and contacted some
>parties re. financing a new service using RJ85's for regional and some Euro
>work (Basically a no-frill's easyJet thing from Sheffield). I was blanked by
>them all - the are 10 miles round has around 1 million, widen this to 50
>miles and your getting on for 5 or 6 million potential customers.
>
>Give me the money and I'll get this place started! (and cheap air travel to
>boot)
>
>Ian
>
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martinp
Al...@nospam.demon.co.uk <Al...@huckerby.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <7h2a6g$li1$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ian Guy
> <ian...@iguy.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
> Hi Ian,
> Have you tried the British Venture Capital Association? Email me if you
> want more details. I don't hold out much hope, but you might have more
> luck than me. I think I would refer to them as British Certainists,
> rather than Venturists, but that's a personal opinion based on 1
> experience!
on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
ATR42(??) made to take many more. The good news was that the plane took off
on time and arrived 20 minutes at Schiphol early (down hill all the way?).
I think unless the fares are decreased, there is not much of a market. It
works out almost the same to take a train to Manchester, where both KLM and
BA use Boeing 737s for flights to and from Amsterdam and there are far more
flights each day.
Many small regional airports must have the same problems.
At the moment there must be more people working at Sheffield airport than
flying to/from it on scheduled flights.
I hope things improve.
M.
Carl France
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
>My son travelled on the KLM UK afternoon flight from Sheffield to Amsterdam
>on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
>ATR42(??)
No its a Fokker 50.
>made to take many more. The good news was that the plane took off
>on time and arrived 20 minutes at Schiphol early (down hill all the way?).
No the "block times" are somewhat more than the flight time and get a
strong tailwind and it possible to even be in Schipol 30 minutes early.
>I think unless the fares are decreased, there is not much of a market. It
>works out almost the same to take a train to Manchester, where both KLM and
>BA use Boeing 737s for flights to and from Amsterdam and there are far more
>flights each day.
The fare basis is the real thing that counts, the majority of the time
it is cheaper to travel from Sheffield to Amsterdam and then Interline
with KLM to wherever than it is to go via Manchester.
If you book a Sheffield to Amsterdam and return on a business fare
(which is changeable, refundable etc.) then these are expensive. Want a
cheap fare then book in advance and take a non changeable/refundable
ticket.
> Many small regional airports must have the same problems.
> At the moment there must be more people working at Sheffield airport than
>flying to/from it on scheduled flights.
The Sheffield-Amsterdam route is the (so we are advised) fastest growing
route within the network. Quite regularly the flights are booked to
capacity (early and late flights) the mid day flights have a little
spare capacity at present.
I understand the figures are far above the initial forecast figures for
both KLMuk and Sheffield City Airport.
British Regional are beginning many new routes ex Sheffield this Summer.
My personal feeling is that it will be a very busy airport within the
next 6 to 12 months.
>I hope things improve.
Meaning cheap fares or what?
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martinp
Carl France <ma...@mistapproach.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sQ9V8bAg...@mistapproach.demon.co.uk...
> In Article <7hegcs$qiq$1...@news.worldonline.nl>,martinp
> <m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
> >My son travelled on the KLM UK afternoon flight from Sheffield to
Amsterdam
> >on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
> >ATR42(??)
>
> No its a Fokker 50.
ATR42. I saw a KLM UK ATR42 at Charles de Gaulle two weeks ago.
Carl France
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
>> >on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
>> >ATR42(??)
>>
>> No its a Fokker 50.
>funny you should say that, he said it definitely wasn't and that it was an
>ATR42. I saw a KLM UK ATR42 at Charles de Gaulle two weeks ago.
Regarding the Fokker 50 I can assure you it definitely was a Fokker 50
if it was operating in and out of Sheffield. We have special training
requirements for line Captains for them to operate in and out of
Sheffield (due runway length and other operational procedures) and the
ATR pilots have not had any of this training (as of yet anyway!)
You saw a KLMuk ATR72 at Charles de Gaulle, we operate several of these.
Gill Air operate one ATR42 in KLMuk colours which used to be on the
Newcastle Stansted Route but this route has been taken over again by
KLMuk and is operated by a Fokker 50. As far as I know the ATR42
operated by Gill Air does not fly any KLMuk routes anymore, it may have
even been repainted by now!
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martinp
> In Article <7hgotd$quk$1...@news.worldonline.nl>,martinp
> <m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
> >> >on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
> >> >ATR42(??)
> >>
> >> No its a Fokker 50.
> >funny you should say that, he said it definitely wasn't and that it was
an
> >ATR42. I saw a KLM UK ATR42 at Charles de Gaulle two weeks ago.
It could have been a KLM City Hopper , it was twilight when we saw it.
>
> Regarding the Fokker 50 I can assure you it definitely was a Fokker 50
> if it was operating in and out of Sheffield.
I can now say to my son "I told you so" :-)
> We have special training
> requirements for line Captains for them to operate in and out of
> Sheffield (due runway length and other operational procedures)
how about using KLM UK's Bae 146s, a much nicer quieter plane from a
passengers point of view.
> and the
> ATR pilots have not had any of this training (as of yet anyway!)
I wonder why my son was given the impression it was an ATR, he was expecting
a Fokker 50 too. We live in Oegstgeest, 20 km from where they used to make
them.
>
> You saw a KLMuk ATR72 at Charles de Gaulle,
quite possibly, I assume the only visible difference is the length of the
fuselage?
>we operate several of these.
<snip>
Thanks for the info.
When I said I hope things get better, I meant for Sheffield Airport, KlM UK
the passengers and of course that the fares on the Manchester A'dam route
return to the fares charged 6 months ago. If the fares on the Sheffield
A'dam route were to drop a bit, I am sure you would get a lot more
passengers.
My son can't stand butter, can he get something to eat on the plane without
butter, if he tells someone at the time he books his ticket?
Should we give him some sandwiches to take with him next time?
You don't get much for 420 guilders, cheapest available fare
Sheffield-A'dam return, it's interesting that this about half the KLM
advertised return fare to A'dam - San Francisco at the moment. Is my son
subsidising travel to the West Coast of the USA.
Why have ten rows of seats in economy B737s on the A'dam Paris route got no
tables and a thousand other questions about the decline in service of KLM.
Best of luck with your Sheffielf Airport Operations, most people aren't
aware Sheffield has an Airport.
Martin
Carl France
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
<snip>
>It could have been a KLM City Hopper , it was twilight when we saw it.
They have the F70's and the F50's only now.
>> Regarding the Fokker 50 I can assure you it definitely was a Fokker 50
>> if it was operating in and out of Sheffield.
>I can now say to my son "I told you so" :-)
:-)
>how about using KLM UK's Bae 146s, a much nicer quieter plane from a
>passengers point of view.
I am not on the 146 so unable to give you a perfect answer but I
understand with the 146 300 series (all KLMuk have left) they would be
landing weight restricted at Sheffield unless the glide slope was
increased to 6 degrees. (To do with landing scatter). I dont think the
management at Sheffield would wish to do this as all other aircraft
would have to then be steep approach approved and this would be cost
prohibitive for the majority of air taxi operators etc.
>I wonder why my son was given the impression it was an ATR, he was expecting
>a Fokker 50 too. We live in Oegstgeest, 20 km from where they used to make
>them.
If it was comfy, quiet and looked like it would last for a few years it
was a Fokker 50, not an ATR!! :-)
>> You saw a KLMuk ATR72 at Charles de Gaulle,
>quite possibly, I assume the only visible difference is the length of the
>fuselage?
I think so! The ATR is not an aircraft I rate at all and therefore I
have not paid much interest in the difference between the 42 and the 72,
maybe someone can help here?
>When I said I hope things get better, I meant for Sheffield Airport, KlM UK
>the passengers and of course that the fares on the Manchester A'dam route
>return to the fares charged 6 months ago. If the fares on the Sheffield
>A'dam route were to drop a bit, I am sure you would get a lot more
>passengers.
I just drive them have nothing to do with the fares!
>My son can't stand butter, can he get something to eat on the plane without
>butter, if he tells someone at the time he books his ticket?
Yes he should be able to.
>Should we give him some sandwiches to take with him next time?
:-)
> You don't get much for 420 guilders, cheapest available fare
>Sheffield-A'dam return, it's interesting that this about half the KLM
>advertised return fare to A'dam - San Francisco at the moment. Is my son
>subsidising travel to the West Coast of the USA.
The cheapest fares I have seen here have been for a weekend return at
about 169ukp (about 510 guilders) but this included accommodation in the
centre of AMS!
When someone interlines through AMS I understand the fare is split on a
"mileage basis" and the appropriate airline paid at that rate and
distance for the travel they have provided, so if someone takes a flight
Sheffield to Amsterdam to New York and return the actual Sheffield
Amsterdam cost is next to nothing in proportion!
> Why have ten rows of seats in economy B737s on the A'dam Paris route got no
>tables and a thousand other questions about the decline in service of KLM.
Pass this onto KLM at your end!
>Best of luck with your Sheffielf Airport Operations, most people aren't
>aware Sheffield has an Airport.
Thanks, its great fun there as I manage to get home almost every night
when I work out of Sheffield - which makes a change from the Golden
Tulip :-))
martinp
>
> <snip>
> >It could have been a KLM City Hopper , it was twilight when we saw it.
>
> They have the F70's and the F50's only now.
>
> >> Regarding the Fokker 50 I can assure you it definitely was a Fokker 50
> >> if it was operating in and out of Sheffield.
> >I can now say to my son "I told you so" :-)
>
> :-)
>
> >how about using KLM UK's Bae 146s, a much nicer quieter plane from a
> >passengers point of view.
>
> I am not on the 146 so unable to give you a perfect answer but I
> understand with the 146 300 series (all KLMuk have left) they would be
> landing weight restricted at Sheffield unless the glide slope was
> increased to 6 degrees.
they land at there, it feels like 45 degrees :-) I suppose it is 6 degrees?
>(To do with landing scatter). I dont think the
> management at Sheffield would wish to do this as all other aircraft
> would have to then be steep approach approved and this would be cost
> prohibitive for the majority of air taxi operators etc.
> If it was comfy, quiet
quiet must be a relative thing, I flew several times in F50s AMS-Bremen-AMS,
maybe where *you* sit it is quiet, in the middle rows it is deafening.
>and looked like it would last for a few years it
> was a Fokker 50, not an ATR!! :-)
After your post, we have cross examined our son about why he erroneously
believed that he had flown in an ATR and not a Fokker 50. ( "how many times
have I told you to refuse to board, if they try to put you on an ATR42?")
The inflight magazine shows only one two engined propeller plane an ATRXX,
the artist forgot the props. on the Fokker 50 drawing. <groan>. H admitted
the safety instructions were for a Fokker 50. Sorry to waste your time :-)
He will be reducated before the return flight, watchout for the kid with
the thick ear and the non-dairy product lunch box under his arm.
> I think so! The ATR is not an aircraft I rate at all
not even rated by the French, still it is an improvement on the Mercure.
> and therefore I
> have not paid much interest in the difference between the 42 and the 72,
> maybe someone can help here?
I have carefully avoided them since they fell out of the sky like snow
flakes in 1989-90. a design problem caused the wings to ice up according to
Discovery Channel
> I just drive them have nothing to do with the fares!
It is only a matter of time before you will have to operate a ticket machine
like a bus driver (I hope this isn't taken up as a serious cost saving
suggestion by the KLM Administration).
:-)
>Should we give him some sandwiches to take with him next time?
>
> :-)
You want some too, don't you? :-)
> The cheapest fares I have seen here have been for a weekend return at
> about 169ukp (about 510 guilders) but this included accommodation in the
> centre of AMS!
well we bought his 420 guilder ticket in NL and posted it to him, it
included full board and accommodation chez nous :-)
>
> When someone interlines through AMS I understand the fare is split on a
> "mileage basis" and the appropriate airline paid at that rate and
> distance for the travel they have provided, so if someone takes a flight
> Sheffield to Amsterdam to New York and return the actual Sheffield
> Amsterdam cost is next to nothing in proportion!
Sheffield Amsterdam Tokyo return is 1600 guilders LESS than AMS Tokyo
return.
Antwerp AMS Hongkong return is a 1100 guilders less than AMS-Hongkong
return.
>
> > Why have ten rows of seats in economy B737s on the A'dam Paris route got
no
> >tables and a thousand other questions about the decline in service of
KLM.
>
> Pass this onto KLM at your end!
I suspect KLM hasn't noticed and that French football hooligans are to blame
:-)
Michael Roebuck
<ma...@mistapproach.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In Article <7hegcs$qiq$1...@news.worldonline.nl>,martinp
><m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes;-
>>My son travelled on the KLM UK afternoon flight from Sheffield to Amsterdam
>>on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
>>ATR42(??)
>
>No its a Fokker 50.
>
Thank you for telling me that. I shall now definitely NOT be using
this service. I hate Fokker 50's. It was a big relief when Crossair
got rid of theirs - I almost cheered out loud.
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chas
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
>
>Al...@nospam.demon.co.uk <Al...@huckerby.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:wG7clOAy...@huckerby.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <7h2a6g$li1$2...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ian Guy
>> <ian...@iguy.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>
>> Hi Ian,
>> Have you tried the British Venture Capital Association? Email me if you
>> want more details. I don't hold out much hope, but you might have more
>> luck than me. I think I would refer to them as British Certainists,
>> rather than Venturists, but that's a personal opinion based on 1
>> experience!
>on Tuesday, there were 17 passengers on a propeller driven plane, an
>on time and arrived 20 minutes at Schiphol early (down hill all the way?).
>works out almost the same to take a train to Manchester, where both KLM and
>BA use Boeing 737s for flights to and from Amsterdam and there are far more
>flights each day.
> At the moment there must be more people working at Sheffield airport than
>flying to/from it on scheduled flights.
>M.
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chas