Tram expansion
roger419rabbit
well done to whoever managed to get that agreed to!!
mogga
You mean the bit across Oldham[1]? We were getting virtually all the
tram work whether we said yes or no to congestion charging. It was
very misleading all the blrubs they put out in an attampt to blackmail
people into saying yes.
I don't think the tram ouwld be as effective as just putting more
trains on the Oldham route and adding another station.
The trains already struggle in the autumn on the leaves so despite
promises about the trams being able to manage it better there are no
guarantees.
The tracks in manchester are being redone for about the 3rd time in 15
years. Doesn't look like a sound transport investment to me in that
respect.
It's also going to take a couple of years for them to sort it all out
which in the meantime makes travelling into Manchester more
troublesome.
[1] That ultra steep bit of Oldham?
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roger419rabbit
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 08:14:42 +0100, roger419rabbit
> <roger41...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Looks like we got the money in the end without the dratted charge
>>
>> well done to whoever managed to get that agreed to!!
>
>
> You mean the bit across Oldham[1]? We were getting virtually all the
> tram work whether we said yes or no to congestion charging. It was
> very misleading all the blrubs they put out in an attampt to blackmail
> people into saying yes.
No, that bit was allways going ahead despite the outcome of the charge vote.
I mean the line to the airport and to east didsbury that was originally
Dependant on the charge,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8047020.stm
Seems that this pot of money has been made avalable after all
> I don't think the tram ouwld be as effective as just putting more
> trains on the Oldham route and adding another station.
> The trains already struggle in the autumn on the leaves so despite
> promises about the trams being able to manage it better there are no
> guarantees.
Trams should be able to cope just as well if not better than the trains
on the route, they are cheaper to run so you can run more of them with
less gap between for the same price,
>
> The tracks in manchester are being redone for about the 3rd time in 15
> years. Doesn't look like a sound transport investment to me in that
> respect.
manchester was the first of the second generation tramways in the UK the
people who designed it were all railway engineers and to be hnoest had
no idea what they were doing (they should have head hunted somone from
europe where there was an existing tramway) hence we end up with the
wrong type of track in the city centre that as a result lasts 8-10 years
at the max (where the right type of track/wheels would last about 20-25
years) go and have a look at nottingham where they have got it right
and see the differance in ride quality
> It's also going to take a couple of years for them to sort it all out
> which in the meantime makes travelling into Manchester more
> troublesome.
you have a point there, but hopefully if they get it right there should
be a good system in the end
>
>
> [1] That ultra steep bit of Oldham?
it cant be mutch steeper than half of the sheffield system that works fine
Caulfield Man
>
> manchester was the first of the second generation tramways in the UK the
> people who designed it were all railway engineers and to be hnoest had
> no idea what they were doing (they should have head hunted somone from
> europe where there was an existing tramway) hence we end up with the
> wrong type of track in the city centre that as a result lasts 8-10 years
> at the max (where the right type of track/wheels would last about 20-25
> years) go and have a look at nottingham where they have got it right
> and see the differance in ride quality
>
We've just had a bit of tramline in suburban Melbourne (Brighton) that
was essentially untouched since that bit of the line was installed in
the 1940's. Ok, it was getting a bit wobbly but 60+ years isn't too bad
is it?. Lots of tram lines around here were replaced by mass concrete in
the 60's and still in good condition.