Turner Prize
Zobo Kolonie
This year, one of the short listed candidates, Martin Creed is particularly
noxious:
"His pieces include Work No. 79 - some adhesive gum rolled into a ball and
pressed against a wall, and Work No. 88 which is a sheet of A4 paper
crumpled into a ball."
Well, here you go <snarfle> one ball of snot rolled up and flicked expertly
at my monitor, I call the piece "Goofing Off", can I have twenty thousand
quids please?
Shoot the bloody lot of them.
ZK
--
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Rickety
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I'll sue you for copyright infringement
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pornbird
Yeah - or go down to the Fridge Gallery on Acre Lane SW9 tonight (and
for the next couple of weeks) to check out the Stuckists exhibition -
as recommended to me by a *very* tasty young man called SP in the
Prince Albert the other night...
The ultimate in Anti-Turner sentiment, although sadly Zobo, you may
well find that the content is equally irritating...
pb
Eric Jarvis
a modicum of interesting artists amongst the Stuckists...I prefer
what I've seen from Martin Creed though...and I'm not a big fan
--
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
tim r
"Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b14d287$0$2...@hades.is.co.za...
> Well, here you go <snarfle> one ball of snot rolled up and flicked
expertly
> at my monitor, I call the piece "Goofing Off", can I have twenty thousand
> quids please?
>
> Shoot the bloody lot of them.
>
> ZK
> --
> Stop the delikeable misberate
>
> Stick the little boogers atop your monitor, Zobo.
leave 'em a few days till the fuckers get crispy..
..now watch out! the fuckers are sharp, as a razor!
tim r
jof
> "Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What a load of shite (as per bloody usual).
> No, no - you;re missing the whole point - the point is that he's
> declaring, by fiat, that a crumpled ball of paper on a mantle piece is
> a work of art. By your very Philistinism you're entering into the
> debate that he's starting. A cleaner at one of his galleries once
> threw one of his art works away - thus linking you, Mr World-Jetting
> IT Whizzkid Man, with a 3.70 hour cleaner, in the same discourse.
> Pretty good eh? I wish him all the best and he would be a worthy
> winner.
Bloody hell, Cliff makes a late bit for erudite post of the month!
I have to say I'm with Cliff on this one: Personally I consider the purpose
of art to be to invoke an emotional response in the viewer. By extension
anything which does invoke such a response is art. Zobo's responded
emotionally to this particular artist's work, therefore it's successful.
The problem with modern abstract art is that it isn't presented to the
viewer with a clear message, unlike, say C18th portraiture, which usually
has a specific story to tell.
In the absence of direction, the viewer is asked to react on a much less
rational level: you can't judge it objectively, and everyone's subjective
opinions are different.
I find the trick is to look at it, see if it grabs you, and if not, move on
to the next. Scares the shit out of scruffy bohemian types anxiously judging
how long they should spend looking at a piece before moving on without
looking stupid, but are glad to then spend quality time looking down their
noses at you for not appreciating it properly, and gets you into the pub a
lot quicker.
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Zobo Kolonie
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> Quoth loobyloo-nice-but-dim-Cliff, on 31/5/01 1:03 am:
>
> > "Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What a load of shite (as per bloody usual).
>
> > No, no - you;re missing the whole point - the point is that he's
> > declaring, by fiat, that a crumpled ball of paper on a mantle piece is
> > a work of art. By your very Philistinism you're entering into the
> > debate that he's starting. A cleaner at one of his galleries once
> > threw one of his art works away - thus linking you, Mr World-Jetting
> > IT Whizzkid Man, with a 3.70 hour cleaner, in the same discourse.
> > Pretty good eh? I wish him all the best and he would be a worthy
> > winner.
>
> Bloody hell, Cliff makes a late bit for erudite post of the month!
>
> I have to say I'm with Cliff on this one: Personally I consider the
purpose
> of art to be to invoke an emotional response in the viewer. By extension
> anything which does invoke such a response is art. Zobo's responded
> emotionally to this particular artist's work, therefore it's successful.
>
Bullshit.
> The problem with modern abstract art is that it isn't presented to the
> viewer with a clear message, unlike, say C18th portraiture, which usually
> has a specific story to tell.
>
The problem is that it's bollox (well this particular stuff is anyway).
> In the absence of direction, the viewer is asked to react on a much less
> rational level: you can't judge it objectively, and everyone's subjective
> opinions are different.
>
Personally I'd like to set fire to his crumpled piece of paper for insulting
my senses with such bollox.
Oh, and shove the burning paper into his gaping mouth just for good measure.
> I find the trick is to look at it, see if it grabs you, and if not, move
on
> to the next. Scares the shit out of scruffy bohemian types anxiously
judging
> how long they should spend looking at a piece before moving on without
> looking stupid, but are glad to then spend quality time looking down their
> noses at you for not appreciating it properly, and gets you into the pub a
> lot quicker.
>
Believe me, in art galleries, if I see it and it's shite I pass along most
rapidly, occassionally mentioning to scruffy bohemian types "it's OK, you
don't have to like it, it really is shite!".
Naaa, it's all bollox is crap like rolled up balls of paper or Emin's work
or that Hurst tosser. When I rule the world I'm going to have them shot.
Actually, there's a lot of so called "art" that I really hate.
Van Gogh, Constable, Turner, Gainsborough, and a bunch of other dead artists
really bore me senseless.
When I'm big I'm going to spend my life buying up their works and hiding
them from the world, then when I am old and wrinkly I shall pile up all the
"art" and have a bloody great big fire to rid the world of this obcenity.
Preferably with old and wrinkly bohemian types chained to posts to see the
pyre go up (perhaps the posts could be inside the fire, we can set fire to
the hippies at the same time?)
So there.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
>Quoth loobyloo-nice-but-dim-Cliff, on 31/5/01 1:03 am:
>
>> "Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What a load of shite (as per bloody usual).
>
>> No, no - you;re missing the whole point - the point is that he's
>> declaring, by fiat, that a crumpled ball of paper on a mantle piece is
>> a work of art. By your very Philistinism you're entering into the
>> debate that he's starting. A cleaner at one of his galleries once
>> threw one of his art works away - thus linking you, Mr World-Jetting
>> IT Whizzkid Man, with a 3.70 hour cleaner, in the same discourse.
>> Pretty good eh? I wish him all the best and he would be a worthy
>> winner.
>
>Bloody hell, Cliff makes a late bit for erudite post of the month!
>
>I have to say I'm with Cliff on this one: Personally I consider the purpose
>of art to be to invoke an emotional response in the viewer. By extension
>anything which does invoke such a response is art. Zobo's responded
>emotionally to this particular artist's work, therefore it's successful.
>
>The problem with modern abstract art is that it isn't presented to the
>viewer with a clear message, unlike, say C18th portraiture, which usually
>has a specific story to tell.
It also requires little if any artistic talent. Sometimes it is
enough just to be offensive. Religions are favourite targets. Except
for judaism, that is.
Eric Jarvis
depends what you mean by artistic talent...if you mean
draughtsmanship then you are talking about a skill that hasn't been
essential to art since photography was invented
if you mean a depth of understanding of humanity's place in the
universe and the ability to communicate that then I'd pick Tracy
Emin's talent over yours or mine any day
as for just being offensive...name an example of something that was
offensive and nothing else and that has been exhibited
IMO 90% of comments slagging off conceptual art are actually
slagging off a newspaper description of a piece of art on account of
the person saying it having never seen the work in question
the description and the thing can be very different
personally I reckon making a few blowing and scraping noises with
some bits of metal, cat gut, horsehair and wood isn't art...but a
lot of people like Mozart
>Kat<
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> writes
Not true.
Someone who draws well and with understanding sees and conveys far more
than the camera ever can.
>
>if you mean a depth of understanding of humanity's place in the
>universe and the ability to communicate that then I'd pick Tracy
>Emin's talent over yours or mine any day
We all have a view on humanity's place in the universe; Tracy Emin just
happened to be in the right place at the right time and to be noticed by
the right people. What she feels about the world has no more validity
than your feelings or mine.
There's more than a touch of "the emperor's new clothes" in the art
world today.
>as for just being offensive...name an example of something that was
>offensive and nothing else and that has been exhibited
I don't find any of it offensive just sad.
>
>IMO 90% of comments slagging off conceptual art are actually
>slagging off a newspaper description of a piece of art on account of
>the person saying it having never seen the work in question
>
>the description and the thing can be very different
>
>personally I reckon making a few blowing and scraping noises with
>some bits of metal, cat gut, horsehair and wood isn't art...but a
>lot of people like Mozart
I love opera... not everyone's cup of tea but that's a matter of
differing tastes.
--
>Kat<
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The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Being able to draw is the bare minimum I would expect from an artist.
This includes the ability to interpret the living world as well as to
portray it. Someone who can't even draw should get a real job
instead.
>
>if you mean a depth of understanding of humanity's place in the
>universe and the ability to communicate that then I'd pick Tracy
>Emin's talent over yours or mine any day
>
>as for just being offensive...name an example of something that was
>offensive and nothing else and that has been exhibited
There have been several exhibits of 'art' in New York recently whose
main purpose seems to have been to insult the Catholic religion.
Zobo Kolonie
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> as for just being offensive...name an example of something that was
> offensive and nothing else and that has been exhibited
>
> IMO 90% of comments slagging off conceptual art are actually
> slagging off a newspaper description of a piece of art on account of
> the person saying it having never seen the work in question
>
Well ya boo sucks to you matey, I've seen loads of this 'conceptual' stuff
and on the whole it's utter pants.
> the description and the thing can be very different
>
Yup, but a horse's arse always smells like horse shit.
> personally I reckon making a few blowing and scraping noises with
> some bits of metal, cat gut, horsehair and wood isn't art...but a
> lot of people like Mozart
>
Na, Mozart's music is for girls.
So there.
>Kat<
Fformby-Smythe <F...@ukgoatway.net> writes
>Being able to draw is the bare minimum I would expect from an artist.
>
>This includes the ability to interpret the living world as well as to
>portray it. Someone who can't even draw should get a real job
>instead.
I agree with you.
Drawing is not just about making marks on paper or whatever; it's about
being able to "see" in a different way and then having the ability to
transfer the 3D world to a 2D medium.
All artists whose work has stood the test of time have been superb
draftsmen too.
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Eric Jarvis
>
> There have been several exhibits of 'art' in New York recently whose
> main purpose seems to have been to insult the Catholic religion.
>
are you basing this on seeing the work or on newspaper reports?
Alistair Mann
> The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
> >
> > There have been several exhibits of 'art' in New York recently whose
> > main purpose seems to have been to insult the Catholic religion.
>
> are you basing this on seeing the work or on newspaper reports?
What an utterly fuckwitted thing to say.
Do you have an opinion on Belson-Bergen, Eric? How about an opinion on
Lunar missions? Maybe you have on opinion on the introduction of
myxamatosis into Australia?
If so, I do hope you'll share those opinion and provide prison ID, periods
you've actually spent on the lunar surface or a picture of your big
floppy ears.
Duh!
--
Alistair Mann
>Kat<
loobyloo-nice-but-dim-Cliff <andy.pand...@mail.dotcom.fr> writes
>">Kat<" <$news$@kat22.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>All artists whose work has stood the test of time have been superb
>>draftsmen too.
>
>
>discarded that part of their apprenticeship - Mondrian, Theo van
>Doesburg, Moholy-Nagy and so on, Malevich and the Russian
>Supremacists, Barnett Newman, Jackson Pollack and the American
>Abstract Exressionists... It must have been a tremendous shock when
>Malevich turned up in Moscow in 1917 to exhibit a painting of two
>white squares superimposed on one another - and it's still great to
>look at today. Nothing to do with what sort of draughtsman he was
>though.
You can't know that their way of looking was not learned through drawing
even if it was finally discarded as a means of expression.
>
>Anyway Kat, I've got a great picture here of a weeping little Spanish
>girl, and another beautiful pastoral scene of a ploughman in a field.
>I'll put them in the post.
><ducks>
There are only two things I expect from a "work of art"; that it should
stimulate me visually and that it should continue doing that no matter
how many times I see it. I draw no distinction between what is known as
Fine Art or Decorative Art or Craft or indeed Architecture.
This is how I find my way around the world. Art is not limited to what
can be seen in a trendy gallery or what is awarded a trendy prize.
I know how the so called art-world works and frankly it makes me want
to throw up!
--
>Kat<
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>Kat<
>">Kat<" <$news$@kat22.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>You can't know that their way of looking was not learned through drawing
>>even if it was finally discarded as a means of expression.
>
>
>and a "way of looking" is ambiguous, not essential.
>
>>
>>There are only two things I expect from a "work of art"; that it should
>>stimulate me visually and that it should continue doing that no matter
>>how many times I see it. I draw no distinction between what is known as
>>Fine Art or Decorative Art or Craft or indeed Architecture.
>
>looking at a building? With the latter, you have an extra enjoyment
>of looking at something beautiful *and* satisfying one of the basic
>human needs.
No, not at all; functionality is something else but doesn't necessarily
change my enjoyment of a building considered as a very large object.
And, I never used the word "beautiful" Something doesn't have to be
beautiful to be visually stimulating.
>
>
>>This is how I find my way around the world. Art is not limited to what
>>can be seen in a trendy gallery or what is awarded a trendy prize.
>> I know how the so called art-world works and frankly it makes me want
>>to throw up!
>
>I was going to say - all these art prizes are just so much media
>spectacle. I still think that the bloke with crumpled bits of paper
>is a witty, original artist though. The reason people hate him so
>much is that he's doing what a lot of people thought about doing but
>didn't, and they resent his success.
But that's just the point; there are loads of talented artists doing all
sorts of interesting things who never get noticed simply because they
didn't go to the right college or get seen by the right people.
And when you've seen one bit of crumpled paper, you've seen them all,
no matter who did the crumpling.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>>
>> There have been several exhibits of 'art' in New York recently whose
>> main purpose seems to have been to insult the Catholic religion.
>>
>
>are you basing this on seeing the work or on newspaper reports?
>
(any excuse for a rant)
Having been unable to justify a trip to NYC to see these, I am basing
this on the acclaim that these exhibits received in the New York (i.e.
liberal homosexual jewish) press.
Apparently some critics found the fact that they qualified for federal
funding more obscene than the exhibits themselves.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<andy.pand...@mail.dotcom.fr> wrote:
>F...@ukgoatway.net (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
>
>>>The problem with modern abstract art is that it isn't presented to the
>>>viewer with a clear message, unlike, say C18th portraiture, which usually
>>>has a specific story to tell.
>>
>>It also requires little if any artistic talent.
>
>
>That's to assume that the worth of a work of art is in proprtion to
>the amount of work spent on it. That's true to an extent for
>craftwork, but not art.
>--
While I respect the rights of degenerates to produce whatever they
think is art, to put a ridiculous price sticker on a crumpled piece
of paper is taking the piss.
Alistair Mann
>On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:18:11 +0100, loobyloo-nice-but-dim-Cliff
><andy.pand...@mail.dotcom.fr> wrote:
>
>>F...@ukgoatway.net (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
>>
>>>>The problem with modern abstract art is that it isn't presented to the
>>>>viewer with a clear message, unlike, say C18th portraiture, which usually
>>>>has a specific story to tell.
>>>
>>>It also requires little if any artistic talent.
>>
>>
>>That's to assume that the worth of a work of art is in proprtion to
>>the amount of work spent on it. That's true to an extent for
>>craftwork, but not art.
>
>While I respect the rights of degenerates to produce whatever they
>think is art, to put a ridiculous price sticker on a crumpled piece
>of paper is taking the piss.
Then you won't mind handing over that crumpled peice of paper with that
ridiculous 'GBP-20' in the corner?
--
Alistair Mann
Eric Jarvis
that's where being precise comes into the equation...and commenting
only on the aspects of something that are within my experience...so
I have opinions of the criminal justice system as a whole from a
political POV, but no direct opinions on prisons since I've never
been in one...I have opinions on the space programme based on what
I've heard from people directly involved in it (it's a long story,
but I actually know a few) but I have no opinions of my own on what
it is like to be involved in it...and I've some basic knowledge of
biology and have seen, touched and eaten rabbits, but I'm pretty
cagy about expressing any but broad brush opinions on anything
relating to biology, ecology or farming unless I have specific facts
to work on
whereas this is about whether a newspaper description is sufficient
basis to judge something on
if the Times stated that Microsoft are a very effectively run
company would that mean that Windoze 98 suddenly becomes a good
OS?...of course it doesn't
so if a newspaper states that Chris Ofili makes art purely to shock,
then it doesn't alter the fact that he makes art to look good and
make people think
Eric Jarvis
>
> But that's just the point; there are loads of talented artists doing all
> sorts of interesting things who never get noticed simply because they
> didn't go to the right college or get seen by the right people.
> And when you've seen one bit of crumpled paper, you've seen them all,
> no matter who did the crumpling.
>
so much for the ancient art of Origami :)
Eric Jarvis
> Apparently some critics found the fact that they qualified for federal
> funding more obscene than the exhibits themselves.
>
except that if you are referring to the exhibition I think you are
referring to, then it was paid for entirely through sponsorship and
actually was profitable for the publicly funded galleries concerned
but then the truth so often gets in the way of a good news
story...which is why so many journalists avoid it wherever possible
jof
> I've got opinions on everything and I never let total ignorance of the
> topic under discussion prevent me from expressing them :)
Bwhahahahaha!
Yes, adopt this simple matra and you too can be a u.l.l regular. :-)
--
j...@overhope.org.uk
"You're wasting bandwidth..."
Alistair Mann
You're thinking of the Grauniad :-)
>so if a newspaper states that Chris Ofili makes art purely to shock,
>then it doesn't alter the fact that he makes art to look good and
>make people think
'Computer sh<opper' is a newspaper (At least, registered as a newspaper
with the US General Postmaster I think) and I've learnt almost as much
truth from there (UK CS is tops, US CS is rubbish) as I have from Viz
(Also a newspaper)
Humour aside, one cannot hold that a newspaper description is ipso facto a
bad description. Journaled writing inevitably suffers from the perspective
and subjectivity of a flawed human, and should be treated therefore /as/
descriptive rather than authoritative, and therefore valid but only to
that extent. If
So ... I guess we agree ...
--
Alistair Mann
>Kat<
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> writes
>>Kat< wrote:
>>
>> But that's just the point; there are loads of talented artists doing all
>> sorts of interesting things who never get noticed simply because they
>> didn't go to the right college or get seen by the right people.
>> And when you've seen one bit of crumpled paper, you've seen them all,
>> no matter who did the crumpling.
>>
>
>so much for the ancient art of Origami :)
>
I can make a mean water-bomb myself :)
--
>Kat<
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Eric Jarvis
>
> So ... I guess we agree ...
>
course we do...99% of disagreements are about semantics...admittedly
a large proportion are about the correct definition of the word
"mine"
Eric Jarvis
> In message <MPG.1582f1edc...@news.dircon.co.uk>, Eric Jarvis
> <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> writes
> >>Kat< wrote:
> >>
> >> But that's just the point; there are loads of talented artists doing all
> >> sorts of interesting things who never get noticed simply because they
> >> didn't go to the right college or get seen by the right people.
> >> And when you've seen one bit of crumpled paper, you've seen them all,
> >> no matter who did the crumpling.
> >>
> >
> >so much for the ancient art of Origami :)
> >
> Origami is hardly the same as crumpled paper...
the persecution rests its case, m'lud
> I can make a mean water-bomb myself :)
I was always a paper plane man myself
--
eric
"in the beginning was the word, and the word was
'try switching the damn thing on first'"
>Kat<
>>Kat< wrote:
>> I can make a mean water-bomb myself :)
>
>I was always a paper plane man myself
>
--
>Kat<
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Sherilyn
Eric Jarvis <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>Alistair Mann wrote:
>>
>> So ... I guess we agree ...
>>
>
>course we do...99% of disagreements are about semantics
and the remaining 20% are about statistics.
[...]
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Alex Buell
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Kat, if you're going to be waving your penis-substitute about, take
butcher's at mine. Read and weep!
Results Received: 2004
Total CPU Time: 3.299 years
Average CPU Time per work unit: 14 hr 25 min 17.9 sec
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Registered on: Tue Apr 6 22:05:18 1999 UTC
SETI@home user for: 2.161 years
Willy-waving's a bit pointless, there's always someone out there with a
bigger one!
Alex.
--
I'm too sexy for you.
Alex Buell
> the persecution rests its case, m'lud
Shurely shone mishtake? Prosecution is the word I believe that you want.
Of course, if you were to persecute, then that's a completely different
kettle of fish <ponders: why fish?>
Alistair Mann
>Willy-waving's a bit pointless, there's always someone out there with a
>bigger one!
Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
--
Alistair Mann
Alex Buell
> Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
Who cares? I'm quite comforted by the thought, "it's not the size that
matters, but what you do with it", and yes, indeed, I am quite happy with
my beautiful equipment, even more so since I figured out how to have
multiple orgasms.
They are quite right, multiple orgasms *are* mind-blowing.
>Kat<
<Pine.LNX.4.33.01060...@tahallah.clara.co.uk>, Alex
Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> writes
Very impressive but I only upgraded from a 200mhz CPU a week ago.... and
my new one knocks spots off your 14 hr 25 min 17.9 sec time.
(And Alex...... there's something someone needs to tell you about
women.)
--
>Kat<
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Alistair Mann
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Alistair Mann wrote:
>
> > Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
>
> Who cares? I'm quite comforted by the thought, "it's not the size that
> matters, but what you do with it", and yes, indeed, I am quite happy with
> my beautiful equipment, even more so since I figured out how to have
> multiple orgasms.
Ah yes, I remember that. "How to give him 60 orgasms in two hours" in
womens magazines. Turns out that it rather meant redefining the
word 'orgasm'. Or was it 'hour'?
> They are quite right, multiple orgasms *are* mind-blowing.
Indeed. All the more so once you too learn how to give /her/ multiple
orgasms ;-)
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The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
I was referring to the "Sensation" exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of
Art. I believe most of the 'profit' from the exhibit actually went to
the sponsors (Charles Saatchi and others).
The question remains whether it is correct for a publicly funded
museum to exhibit (predictably) jewish-owned art which offends
Catholics. Controversy for its own sake?
Alistair Mann
> I was referring to the "Sensation" exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of
> Art. I believe most of the 'profit' from the exhibit actually went to
> the sponsors (Charles Saatchi and others).
> The question remains whether it is correct for a publicly funded
> museum to exhibit (predictably) jewish-owned art which offends
> Catholics.
Why is it predictable that art should be jewish-owned?
--
Alistair Mann
Eric Jarvis
so there we have it...part of the profit went to subsidise the
publicly funded gallery...rather a difference from public money
being spent on it is it not?
having misrepresented that does it not strike you as maybe vaguely
possible that the journalist might have had an axe to grind?
I don't mind you having views that I consider to be mistaken,
after all I may be wrong and you may be right...but you really
should try not to represent propaganda as if it is fact...it rather
detracts from any case you are trying to make
Zobo Kolonie
message news:014ght8f84nocs0ug...@4ax.com...
>
> I was going to say - all these art prizes are just so much media
> spectacle. I still think that the bloke with crumpled bits of paper
> is a witty, original artist though. The reason people hate him so
> much is that he's doing what a lot of people thought about doing but
> didn't, and they resent his success.
>
Simple really.
Wouldn't matter who's stupid idea it was.
If it's kak then it's kak.
So there.
ZK
--
Stop the delikeable misberate
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
wrote:
Not all art - just Catholic-bashing 'art'. I was less than surprised
to find out that the owner in this instance was Charles Saatchi, scion
of an old family of Iraqi jews.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
The point is that a publicly funded world-famous museum was used to
promote this crap. Had it been shown in some obscure SoHo gallery it
would have inevitably died the timely death it deserved.
Alex Buell
> Very impressive but I only upgraded from a 200mhz CPU a week ago....
> and my new one knocks spots off your 14 hr 25 min 17.9 sec time.
So what is your new average time per work package then? Do tell..
> (And Alex...... there's something someone needs to tell you about
> women.)
Yes, I know, they don't have willies. It was just a figure of speech.
Alex Buell
> Indeed. All the more so once you too learn how to give /her/ multiple
> orgasms ;-)
I'll get around to that one day.
>Kat<
<Pine.LNX.4.33.01060...@tahallah.clara.co.uk>, Alex
Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> writes
>
>> Very impressive but I only upgraded from a 200mhz CPU a week ago....
>> and my new one knocks spots off your 14 hr 25 min 17.9 sec time.
>
>So what is your new average time per work package then? Do tell..
My average is still high because being an average it still takes the
previous times into account but I'm processing a WU in ten hours or less
now...
>
>> (And Alex...... there's something someone needs to tell you about
>> women.)
>
>Yes, I know, they don't have willies. It was just a figure of speech.
Never mind we do like to boast about the size of our proxy ones.....
--
>Kat<
The truth is out there....... somewhere!
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pc tosspot
"Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote in message
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connection - his famous buying phrase........"it's a snip"
Alex Buell
> My average is still high because being an average it still takes the
> previous times into account but I'm processing a WU in ten hours or less
> now...
Only ten hours? Mine does them in five hours, plus or minus the odd hour.
They used to take twenty two hours each on the old dual Pentium Pro.
> >Yes, I know, they don't have willies. It was just a figure of speech.
>
> Never mind we do like to boast about the size of our proxy ones.....
<smiles>
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
The tendency towards anti-Catholicism.
Zobo Kolonie
catholic :-)
Eric Jarvis
you haven't seen it...you have read some press coverage that is
patently riddled with inaccuracies and obviously out to attack the
promoter of the exhibition...and from that you are prepared to
criticise an exhibition you have never seen...I'm impressed...is
that level of arrogance achieved by education or by genetics?...it's
damn scary however you do it
ho hum...there are none so confident in their opinions as the
totally ignorant...applies to art as much as anything else
or something like that
Sherilyn
Alex Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> the persecution rests its case, m'lud
>
>Shurely shone mishtake? Prosecution is the word I believe that you want.
>Of course, if you were to persecute, then that's a completely different
>kettle of fish
>
Kettle of fish? Oo er, sounds a bit artsy!
> <ponders: why fish?>
Why not?
--
Sherilyn Fish! Best drink of the day!
Sherilyn
or whatever, and then knocked the bricks away. That was _ace_!
There's also a Steve McQueen in the Tate Modern with two sexy
blokes fighting and wrestling and hugging and kissing. Brill!
You can sit in the dark and watch it as often as you like, but
they probably toss you out if you start wanking mind.
And there's this film of a half naked female art student walking
around with a pair of huge horns attached to her shoulders. Now
that stuff is fantastic. And the bricks are always good for a
laugh. I don't like the way art is present these days, though.
Galleries are too sterile, you need to have the lass walking
around, maybe with melons impaled on the horns so you can help
yourself.
--
Sherilyn
Edwina Frogbucket
"Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote in message
So you won't be going to stare in wonder at that big lump of plastic they've
just stuck on the spare plinth in Trafalgar Square?
--
Edwina Frogbucket
laurietta
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>
...I'm impressed...is
>that level of arrogance achieved by education or by genetics?..
probably a little bit of both. HTH. ;-)
>
Zobo Kolonie
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Complete load of pretentious shite.
A sop to the wankers that make the art world what it is (ie crap).
Alex Buell
> Kettle of fish? Oo er, sounds a bit artsy!
>
> > <ponders: why fish?>
>
> Why not?
Muff diving's pretty good.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
The content of the exhibit is not in dispute - not even by those who
applaud it. It has been extensively described on both sides of the
press. Reproductions are available to those who want to look for
them. It is not even an isolated case - Mapplethorpe's photograph of
a crucifix in urine attracted similar criticism.
Are you claiming that a large number of Catholics did not find it
offensive? Or that a publicly-funded museum was the appropriate forum
to promote it? Or what exactly?
The Curator
by a growing group of exhibiting artists in all styles.
John of Aix
">Kat<" <$news$@kat22.clara.co.uk> a écrit dans le message news:
h6Ubh2DX...@ntlworld.com...
> In message <3b170d5a...@news.ukgateway.net>, The Revd Terence
> Fformby-Smythe <F...@ukgoatway.net> writes
>
> All artists whose work has stood the test of time have been superb
> draftsmen too.
Van Gogh a superb draughtsman? Kandinsky? Chagall. The list is long of
those who weren't superb draughtsmen at all. Besides to pass the test of
time a thing has to be old. When those works were produced draughtmanship
was a valued and necessary quality, now it is not, at least not the latter.
John
pc tosspot
"John of Aix" <DOnotSPA...@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
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oh all right then, you seem to know what's what..
but how about chess ?
were they any good at that ?
jof
> Check out http://www.artchives.co.uk for paintings, drawings etc done
> by a growing group of exhibiting artists in all styles.
Check out your arse for where you can put your spam.
--
j...@overhope.org.uk
"...and suddenly everything becomes crystal-clear."
Live and direct from the Overhope organisation: realer than real
hypertext malarkey now available at http://www.overhope.org.uk
Eric Jarvis
and one doesn't know...I've never seen any drawings by Tracey Emin,
Rachel Whiteread or David Mach...I have no idea how good their
draughtsmanship is...and nor, I would guess, do most of us
I'm sure it's not a dead skill...I know conceptual artists who can
draw superbly...they just don't see it as an important part of what
they do
--
eric
"the alternative to seeing things in black and white
is to see them in full colour"
Eric Jarvis
ho hum...take a deep breath and please try to remember those basic
lessons in how to develop a logical argument...I would hope your
education managed to include something of the sort
your argument was originally that the art was intended purely to
cause offense...you haven't produced a shred of evidence to back
that up except for quoting a newspaper article that had obviously
got other facts completely wrong or which was stating untruths in an
attempt to attack the exhibition
whether or not people got offended by it is irrelevant...the
Chrsitian churches got very offended by Charles Darwin's ideas of
evolution...but he hardly proposed them with the intent to offend
do you contend that anything that might conceivably offend anyone
should not happen in a publicly funded institution?...that would
leave the NHS and the education system in real problems for starters
laurietta
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>John of Aix wrote:
>>
>> ">Kat<" <$news$@kat22.clara.co.uk> a écrit dans le message news:
>> h6Ubh2DX...@ntlworld.com...
>> > In message <3b170d5a...@news.ukgateway.net>, The Revd Terence
>> > Fformby-Smythe <F...@ukgoatway.net> writes
>> >
>> > All artists whose work has stood the test of time have been superb
>> > draftsmen too.
>>
>> Van Gogh a superb draughtsman? Kandinsky? Chagall. The list is long of
>> those who weren't superb draughtsmen at all. Besides to pass the test of
>> time a thing has to be old. When those works were produced draughtmanship
>> was a valued and necessary quality, now it is not, at least not the latter.
>>
>
>and one doesn't know...I've never seen any drawings by Tracey Emin,
>Rachel Whiteread or David Mach...I have no idea how good their
>draughtsmanship is...and nor, I would guess, do most of us
>
tracy emin, is she that nude last supper chick?
laurietta
<zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
>> personally I reckon making a few blowing and scraping noises with
>> some bits of metal, cat gut, horsehair and wood isn't art...but a
>> lot of people like Mozart
>>
>Na, Mozart's music is for girls.
>
must be, i like it. i saw this movie with mr. cinema and i loved it.
it was "the Magic Flute" movie and they were singing about Pappageno
or something.
laurietta
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
hee, you know what the joke is here? rudy guiliani formed this
"decency committee" and he's taking his mistress to the decency
committee meetings.
seriously though, I sort of understand where the rev. is coming from.
it was in the news here, an old immigrant (Italian I think) took such
offense to the dung-spattered picture of the Virgin Mary that he went
to the museum and was going to try to deface it. Normally here, you
get crucified for that (sorry couldn't resist) but the judge who was
trying the case of the old guy (who tried to deface the picture)
didn't prosecute, they just said he wasn't allowed in the museum no
more. the judge said he debated a long time about the case and
declined to prosecute because he felt that the old guy defacing the
picture was acting out of love, not of hate. See, it was the old
guy's way of defending the Virgin Mary (because she was sacred to
him).
Eric Jarvis
best known for the tent inscribed with the names of everyone she had
slept with
rather a neat piece I thought...but then my name isn't on it :)
Zobo Kolonie
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>
> h6Ubh2DX...@ntlworld.com...
> > In message <3b170d5a...@news.ukgateway.net>, The Revd Terence
> > Fformby-Smythe <F...@ukgoatway.net> writes
> >
> > All artists whose work has stood the test of time have been superb
> > draftsmen too.
>
> Van Gogh a superb draughtsman? Kandinsky? Chagall. The list is long of
>
shite.
Only a total moron or someone dead from the neck up (or pretentious beyond
belief) could possibly call his works "good".
The works of Turner, Constable, Monet, Manet, Raphael, Gainsborough, da
Vinci, etc etc et-bloody-cetera are equally shite and should be burned along
with the diseased individuals that pretend that they have any merit
whatsoever.
I hate so called "art" and think people who like it have something in their
central nervous system wired up wrong, either that or they are lying (which
I am far more inclined to believe).
So there.
Zobo Kolonie
news:MPG.15878a8e6...@news.dircon.co.uk...
and there's summat wrong with you if you like her "work".
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>>
>> The content of the exhibit is not in dispute - not even by those who
>> applaud it. It has been extensively described on both sides of the
>> press. Reproductions are available to those who want to look for
>> them. It is not even an isolated case - Mapplethorpe's photograph of
>> a crucifix in urine attracted similar criticism.
>>
>> Are you claiming that a large number of Catholics did not find it
>> offensive? Or that a publicly-funded museum was the appropriate forum
>> to promote it? Or what exactly?
>>
>
>ho hum...take a deep breath and please try to remember those basic
>lessons in how to develop a logical argument...I would hope your
>education managed to include something of the sort
>
>your argument was originally that the art was intended purely to
>cause offense...you haven't produced a shred of evidence to back
>that up except for quoting a newspaper article that had obviously
>got other facts completely wrong or which was stating untruths in an
>attempt to attack the exhibition
Your liberal imagination is playing tricks on you. I don't recall
quoting any newspaper article. Message ID?
>
>whether or not people got offended by it is irrelevant...the
>Chrsitian churches got very offended by Charles Darwin's ideas of
>evolution...but he hardly proposed them with the intent to offend
I have seen reproductions of some of the exhibits and if I was a
devout New York Catholic I would be offended both by the content and
by the fact that some jew was using a museum which I pay taxes towards
to promote something which deliberately offends me. The 'artist'
surely must have realised his work would offend some; the sponsors
certainly did. It is of course pure coincidence that these exhibits
tend to offend Catholics rather than jews. Could have been either.
Yeah. right.
>do you contend that anything that might conceivably offend anyone
>should not happen in a publicly funded institution?...that would
>leave the NHS and the education system in real problems for starters
Now what was that you were saying about developing a logical argument?
Zobo Kolonie
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[Snip]
> I have seen reproductions of some of the exhibits and if I was a
> devout New York Catholic I would be offended both by the content and
> by the fact that some jew was using a museum which I pay taxes towards
>
Surely the fact that "some person was..." would be the offensive bit?
Would it really make any difference whether a Jew or a Hindu, Muslim,
atheist, whatever, or even another Catholic presented the allegedly
offensive material?
binbag
<alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Alistair Mann wrote:
>
>> Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
>
>Who cares? I'm quite comforted by the thought, "it's not the size that
>matters, but what you do with it"
Even though it's only said by women to reassure their under-endowed
boyfriends? ;-)
--
PLUR II - S.E.ONE - Sat 26th May
6 rooms, Dog knows how many Djs and live acts
Stalls, cybercafe, fluoro-performers
http://www.plur-party.com
pc tosspot
> Twas Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:29:57 +0100 in uk.local.london when Alex Buell
> <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Alistair Mann wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
> >
> >Who cares? I'm quite comforted by the thought, "it's not the size that
> >matters, but what you do with it"
>
> Even though it's only said by women to reassure their under-endowed
> boyfriends? ;-)
is it really ?
oh my.
Alex Buell
> Even though it's only said by women to reassure their under-endowed
> boyfriends? ;-)
Well, I'm not too bothered by that actually.
Alex.
--
Some people need to get a life!
John of Aix
"laurietta" <laur...@metacrawler.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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I'll nail my colours to the mast and state straight away that while I have
very eclectic tastes in classical music, I HATE MOZART. 18th century pop
music, that's what it is to me.
However I'm not posting to slag off Wolfgang but to tell you that The Magic
Flute (Die Zauberflöte in German) is considered by many who do like Mozart
(Divine Mozart they say) to be his finest work. Don't be afraid to like it
even if all your mates swear by Rap. The world of classical music is deep
and fascinating but one to which many people never find an entry. So if you
do, such as liking The Magic Flute, follow it up, there's a whole universe
out there just waiting to be discovered.
John
John of Aix
"Eric Jarvis" <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> a écrit dans le message news:
MPG.15877c174...@news.dircon.co.uk...
While I think many, if not most modern artists are pretty weak in drawing
skills, as an amateur painter myself who can draw just about reasonably
with great effort, I think it is a pity both for them and us.
I don't know whether you've ever seen the old b/w documentary on Picasso
where you see him paint on a glass screen so that the 'viewer is the
canvas'. A couple of strokes and you've got a scene. It's Picasso at his
most modern but you can sense that he has the liberty to create in that way
because he was an excellent draughtsman who knew what was essential in
drawing and so could extract it. Art shouldn't, and can't, be hidebound by
following old rules, but that does not mean that 'drawing is bunk' to
paraphrase Henry Ford, just that it isn't essential today. However IMO it
remains a very useful skill whatever one's artistic style.
John
Sherilyn
Zobo Kolonie <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>
>I hate so called "art" and think people who like it have something in their
>central nervous system wired up wrong, either that or they are lying (which
>I am far more inclined to believe).
>
>So there.
I confess that the only reason I like art is because it winds up
the lovely Zobo Kolonie, who is much better off, better looking,
younger and more talented and sociable than I, and (what is
unforgivable) would probably even look better in a dress than I--bastard.
I have no life, and pretending to like art is the one facade behind which
I can hide my bitterness against an uncaring world.
There, I feel so much better for that.
But you have to admit, the Tate Modern is a lovely place.
[...]
--
Sherilyn
Sherilyn
You should go and see the movie of Marriage of Figaro. Maria
Ewing as Cherubino, when she sings Voi Che Sapete she sends a
chill down my spine.
--
Sherilyn
Sherilyn
Zobo Kolonie <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
>"Eric Jarvis" <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:MPG.15878a8e6...@news.dircon.co.uk...
>> rather a neat piece I thought...but then my name isn't on it :)
>>
>She's a fuckwitted bitch who should be thrown beneath the Train of Death,
>and there's summat wrong with you if you like her "work".
>
and her on HIGNFY and I thought she looked a neat piece, too.
Definitely very forward looking in the pectoral department, and
didn't she know it.
--
Sherilyn
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Perhaps a Catholic would look differently upon something like this
being thrown up by one of his own. The motive might be different.
In this case it was a jew. If I was to look into the Mapplethorpe
photographs exhibit I would expect to find jewish involvement there
too. That's just the way New York is.
Eric Jarvis
>
> Your liberal imagination is playing tricks on you. I don't recall
> quoting any newspaper article. Message ID?
>
<3b185af...@news.ukgateway.net>
in which you point out the source of your information is newspaper
articles
Alex Buell
> I confess that the only reason I like art is because it winds up the
> lovely Zobo Kolonie, who is much better off, better looking, younger
> and more talented and sociable than I, and (what is unforgivable)
> would probably even look better in a dress than I--bastard. I have no
> life, and pretending to like art is the one facade behind which I can
> hide my bitterness against an uncaring world.
What's the URL for your website then?
laurietta
<DOnotSPA...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>However I'm not posting to slag off Wolfgang but to tell you that The Magic
>Flute (Die Zauberflöte in German) is considered by many who do like Mozart
>(Divine Mozart they say) to be his finest work. Don't be afraid to like it
>even if all your mates swear by Rap. The world of classical music is deep
>and fascinating but one to which many people never find an entry. So if you
>do, such as liking The Magic Flute, follow it up, there's a whole universe
>out there just waiting to be discovered.
>
good advice. ;-) i like most kinds of music (except for jazz...it
makes me nervous). somebody got me tickets to go see a concert of
something i never heard before, Carmina Burana. Ohmigod, I loved it.
It was so cool.
Sherilyn
binbag <bin...@NOTTHISBITstarjump.org> wrote:
>Twas Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:29:57 +0100 in uk.local.london when Alex Buell
><alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Alistair Mann wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Alex, but 3,000,000,000 of them?!
>>
>>Who cares? I'm quite comforted by the thought, "it's not the size that
>>matters, but what you do with it"
>
>Even though it's only said by women to reassure their under-endowed
>boyfriends? ;-)
>
My Winky won't come out to play if you say nasty things about
him. Every girl knows that.
--
Sherilyn
Sherilyn
Alex Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Sherilyn wrote:
>
>> I confess that the only reason I like art is because it winds up the
>> lovely Zobo Kolonie, who is much better off, better looking, younger
>> and more talented and sociable than I, and (what is unforgivable)
>> would probably even look better in a dress than I--bastard. I have no
>> life, and pretending to like art is the one facade behind which I can
>> hide my bitterness against an uncaring world.
>
>What's the URL for your website then?
>
--
Sherilyn
Zobo Kolonie
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>
> "laurietta" <laur...@metacrawler.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> 3b1d78b...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:01:56 +0200, "Zobo Kolonie"
> > <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> personally I reckon making a few blowing and scraping noises with
> > >> some bits of metal, cat gut, horsehair and wood isn't art...but a
> > >> lot of people like Mozart
> > >>
> > >Na, Mozart's music is for girls.
> > >
> > must be, i like it. i saw this movie with mr. cinema and i loved it.
> > it was "the Magic Flute" movie and they were singing about Pappageno
> > or something.
>
> I'll nail my colours to the mast and state straight away that while I have
> very eclectic tastes in classical music, I HATE MOZART. 18th century pop
> music, that's what it is to me.
>
Zobo Kolonie
news:slrn9hs8n...@pegasus.sherilyn.org.uk...
> In Message-ID <3b1ddab0$0$2...@hades.is.co.za>,
> Zobo Kolonie <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> >
> >I hate so called "art" and think people who like it have something in
their
> >central nervous system wired up wrong, either that or they are lying
(which
> >I am far more inclined to believe).
> >
> >So there.
>
> I confess that the only reason I like art is because it winds up
> the lovely Zobo Kolonie, who is much better off, better looking,
> younger and more talented and sociable than I, and (what is
> unforgivable) would probably even look better in a dress than I--bastard.
> I have no life, and pretending to like art is the one facade behind which
> I can hide my bitterness against an uncaring world.
>
> There, I feel so much better for that.
>
Cool.
> But you have to admit, the Tate Modern is a lovely place.
> [...]
>
Yup, I thoroughly enjoyed Tate Modern, impressive building, nice cafe,
bought some neat prints (which cost a fortune to get framed), some of the
stuff in there was interesting and good, some of it was still OK because
being so crap I got to voice my opinion of just what a load of shite it was,
or in some cases walk or sit on it :-)
Zobo Kolonie
message news:3e8thts508cd9usrn...@4ax.com...
> "Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I hate so called "art" and think people who like it have something in
their
> >central nervous system wired up wrong, either that or they are lying
(which
> >I am far more inclined to believe).
> >
>
>
>
> having the experience of beauty, which you can't attain, so you have
> to try to hate it to get rid of the jealousy of not having it.
>
Your central nervous system needs an overhaul matey.
> That'll be 60 pounds please Zobo.
>
Ahah! The capitalist bastard exposed at last :-)
Zobo Kolonie
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o virgines,
modo congaudete,
vos iuvenes.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>>
>> Your liberal imagination is playing tricks on you. I don't recall
>> quoting any newspaper article. Message ID?
>>
>
><3b185af...@news.ukgateway.net>
>
>in which you point out the source of your information is newspaper
>articles
>
Referring to the acclaim that this exhibit received in the liberal New
York press is a little different to quoting a newspaper article. You
do know what acclaim means, don't you?
Must try harder.
John of Aix
"Zobo Kolonie" <zkol...@SPAMSUCKShotmail.com> a écrit dans le message
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Ah yes Carmina Burana. The Carl Orff version I suppose. He did a thoroughly
good job because when you hear the original songs from the collection of
Bishop Buren (if I'm not mistaken) without orchestration they are not half
as much fun. There are lots more than those that Orff picked. One short
number he didn't use is great though and translates as (just this) "If I
had all the lands from the Rhine to the Danube, I would gladly give them to
be in the arms of the Queen of England"
Not sure any one ever said that about Liz II
> Tempus es iocundum,
> o virgines,
> modo congaudete,
> vos iuvenes.
Too right mate.
John
Eric Jarvis
too many notes
Eric Jarvis
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:33:00 +0100, Eric Jarvis
> <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
> >>
> >> Your liberal imagination is playing tricks on you. I don't recall
> >> quoting any newspaper article. Message ID?
> >>
> >
> ><3b185af...@news.ukgateway.net>
> >
> >in which you point out the source of your information is newspaper
> >articles
> >
> Referring to the acclaim that this exhibit received in the liberal New
> York press is a little different to quoting a newspaper article. You
> do know what acclaim means, don't you?
> Must try harder.
>
yeah yeah yeah...public school debating society style logic
black is not charcoal grey, white is not ivory...ergo black is white
fx: huge round of applause
wriggle all you like...all you know about the exhibition is taken
from newspapers...you dismiss all the ones that disagree with your
prejudices as being full of liberal Zionist propaganda and then
treat the ones with clear factual errors as being gospel
it's a fantasy world that you are building...you are welcome to live
in it if you like...but when you pontificate about stuff you are
simply not prepared to learn about you just end up looking like an
arrogant idiot
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
<fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wriggled and squirmed:
>The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:33:00 +0100, Eric Jarvis
>> <fr...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your liberal imagination is playing tricks on you. I don't recall
>> >> quoting any newspaper article. Message ID?
>> >>
>> >
>> ><3b185af...@news.ukgateway.net>
>> >
>> >in which you point out the source of your information is newspaper
>> >articles
>> >
>> Referring to the acclaim that this exhibit received in the liberal New
>> York press is a little different to quoting a newspaper article. You
>> do know what acclaim means, don't you?
>> Must try harder.
>>
>
>yeah yeah yeah...public school debating society style logic
>
>black is not charcoal grey, white is not ivory...ergo black is white
>
>fx: huge round of applause
>
>wriggle all you like...all you know about the exhibition is taken
>from newspapers...you dismiss all the ones that disagree with your
>prejudices as being full of liberal Zionist propaganda and then
>treat the ones with clear factual errors as being gospel
>
I'm beginning to question your grasp of reality. *You* get caught in
a bare-arsed misrepresentation of what I wrote and you claim *I'm*
wriggling! Here it is again: there was no 'quote' from 'a newspaper
article'.
BTW Zionism has nothing to do with it - that is a different jewish
problem.
>it's a fantasy world that you are building...you are welcome to live
>in it if you like...but when you pontificate about stuff you are
>simply not prepared to learn about you just end up looking like an
>arrogant idiot
What is there to learn about jewish-sponsored 'art' whose main purpose
is to offend Catholics? What possible motive can you have in
defending it? All art is good or some such limp-wristed wooly-minded
liberal nonsense? Whether someone gets offended or not is irrelevant.
Unless of course it offends jews or homosexuals or some other
diversity-enhancing protected species and then it's bigoted.
laurietta
>Unless of course it offends jews or homosexuals or some other
>diversity-enhancing protected species and then it's bigoted.
tee hee hee, diversity-enhancing protected species....
Eric Jarvis
I get heartily sick of this "stuff the truth I'm just out to look
like I won the argument" crap