late news

[Robert E A Harvey]

BBC Lincolnshire news main story is about the cuban missile crisis.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19932406

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[Redrawn Buns]

Robert E A Harvey wrote:

> BBC Lincolnshire news main story is about the cuban missile crisis.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19932406

And if you haven't seen XH558 in flight, make sure you do so during
2013, after that she'll have used up her flying hours and be confined to
fast "taxi" runs ...

[Brian Gaff]

That is correct. the bill to inspect and repair the main spar is a fair
chunk of what a new plane might cost which rather defeats the object of
preserving old ones.
What I don't quite get is that really old planes like the Lancaster,
Dakotas etc, seem to go on forever but a much newer craft like the vulcan is
clapped out and mega bucks to fix much sooner. Is it the connstruction, the
stresses or what?

Brian

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[Redrawn Buns]

Brian Gaff wrote:

> the bill to inspect and repair the main spar is a fair
> chunk of what a new plane might cost which rather defeats the object of
> preserving old ones.

And they'll probably be out of spare engines too.

> What I don't quite get is that really old planes like the Lancaster,
> Dakotas etc, seem to go on forever but a much newer craft like the vulcan is
> clapped out and mega bucks to fix much sooner. Is it the connstruction, the
> stresses or what?

Apparently the Vulcan suffers by not having old fashioned, heavy
overkill engineering like a Lancaster, and not having modern, computer
designed engineering to prevent point loads on the airframe.

[John Williamson]

Brian Gaff wrote:
> What I don't quite get is that really old planes like the Lancaster,
> Dakotas etc, seem to go on forever but a much newer craft like the vulcan is
> clapped out and mega bucks to fix much sooner. Is it the connstruction, the
> stresses or what?
>

Both. Dakotas don't have a main spar, they are a monocoque construction,
and their life is determined by cracks round the wing root, which are
easily seen from the outside. Lancasters are also easy to examine, and
nobody actually seems to have done the work that says "You can't fly it
after X hours", mainly because they were never expected to survive that
long. Piston engines are life limited only by wear of their (mostly
replaceable) parts, while jets are also limited by the effects of
temperature on the metal they're made of.

Wooden aircraft such as the Mosquito don't have a limited life, but the
condition of their structural members is regularly examined.

Newer aircraft such as the Vulcan are built to take maximum advantage of
the strength of the materials used, and the complexity of the
construction makes it harder to examine that structure, so the hours
limit laid down by the maker is used to limit their life. As the normal
limit is on the main spar, being the most highly stressed component,
that's the limit of the aircraft life. If you replaced the main spar,
the clock could, in theory, start again, but as you'd have to dismantle
and rebuild the entire aircraft to do this, it doesn't get done.

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[Andrew Marshall]

In message <k5j2bo$3b2$1...@sunnybard.eternal-september.org>, Redrawn Buns
<slith...@txinfo.org> writes

Sadly, 'tis so; mainly because the wing mods needed to extend her flying
life are much too rkcrafvir, and there are no more spare airworthy
engines.

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/409/82/End-of-Flight-in-2013.html

I hope to be able to get to one of the airshows at which she'll be
flying next year, but rkcrafr and/or fambulary duties may be a promble.
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[Nick Odell]

Was this the one that bombed Port Stanley in 1982? That would have
eaten up lots of flying hours though I think I'd prefer the remarkable
achievements of the people who made it possible and the historic
significance over the chance to see it fly a few more times.

There's an excellent radio play by Robin Glendenning called "Operation
Black Buck" which is worth a listen, should it come round again on
Radio 4x.

Nick

[Murff]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:01:41 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:

> Was this the one that bombed Port Stanley in 1982? That would have eaten
> up lots of flying hours though I think I'd prefer the remarkable
> achievements of the people who made it possible and the historic
> significance over the chance to see it fly a few more times.
>

No. The one that bombed the Stanley runway was XM607, which is now on
static display at (I think) Waddington. XH558 used to be one of the
display Vulcans, and had lower airframe hours than the others due to a
period off sick in the 1960s following an incident where one of the
engines exploded.

In any case, all the Black Buck Vulcans had the more powerful version of
the Olympus engine that was developed for the aircraft to carry the
Skybolt air-launched ballistic missile. XH558 doesn't.

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Murff...

[Nick Odell]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:09:49 +0000 (UTC), Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
wrote:

Thanks, that's interesting stuff.

Nick

[Redrawn Buns]

Robert E A Harvey wrote:

> BBC Lincolnshire news main story is about the cuban missile crisis.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19932406
>
> up to date, us!

More late news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19957466

ex-RAF North Luffenham's silos were Grade II listed 16 munfs ago

[R C Nesbit]

Huge spoke:
> Saw her at the ASDA Charity Day at Bruntingthorpe this year. It was the
> highlight of the day.

Speaking of which it was Ada Lovelace day at Newstead Abbey yesterday.

Timely news, I know!

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If you can fake that, you've got it made

[Ivan D. Reid]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:26:52 +0100, R C Nesbit <sp...@ukrm.net>
wrote in <VA.00003fc...@ukrm.net>:

> Huge spoke:
>> Saw her at the ASDA Charity Day at Bruntingthorpe this year. It was the
>> highlight of the day.

> Speaking of which it was Ada Lovelace day at Newstead Abbey yesterday.

> Timely news, I know!

I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...

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[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <slrnk7uhuc.s...@smtp.orangehome.co.uk>, Ivan D.
Reid <Ivan...@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 at 00:05:32 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers tweaking his Augusta Ada Byron machine and
wrote

>On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:26:52 +0100, R C Nesbit <sp...@ukrm.net>
> wrote in <VA.00003fc...@ukrm.net>:
>> Huge spoke:
>>> Saw her at the ASDA Charity Day at Bruntingthorpe this year. It was the
>>> highlight of the day.
>
>> Speaking of which it was Ada Lovelace day at Newstead Abbey yesterday.
>
>> Timely news, I know!
>
> I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...
>

That would be a gobbet of information that I could do without.
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"Oů sont les neiges d'antan?"

[Ivan D. Reid]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:16:02 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards
<nich...@salmiron.demon.co.uk>
wrote in <GPWzcXAC...@salmiron.co.uk>:

> In article <slrnk7uhuc.s...@smtp.orangehome.co.uk>, Ivan D.
> Reid <Ivan...@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 at 00:05:32 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers tweaking his Augusta Ada Byron machine and
> wrote
>>On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:26:52 +0100, R C Nesbit <sp...@ukrm.net>
>> wrote in <VA.00003fc...@ukrm.net>:

>>> Speaking of which it was Ada Lovelace day at Newstead Abbey yesterday.

>> I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...

> That would be a gobbet of information that I could do without.

She had a language named after her too!

[R C Nesbit]

Ivan D. Reid spoke:

> >>> Speaking of which it was Ada Lovelace day at Newstead Abbey yesterday.
>
> >> I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...
>
> > That would be a gobbet of information that I could do without.
>
> She had a language named after her too!

Ah yes, Linear Interpreted Numeric Digital Algorithm

[bobharvey]

On Oct 19, 10:17 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >    I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...

> I'm not sure what would be involved, given that she's dead.
> But I bet it would suck.

<groaning noise>

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

Arpebcuvyvn vf qrnq obevat

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[soup]

Huge wrote:

> Saw her at the ASDA Charity Day at Bruntingthorpe this year. It was the
> highlight of the day.

Saw a Vulcan thirtyfive years ago at RAF Lossiemouth (can't remember
which one) it was. I was in the air cadets at the time and was
attending an air show. This was pre Ramstein so the Vulcan was LOW,
right over the crowd and incredibly loud it was VVV impressive to a 15
year old (heck it would be impressive now) god of fire and volcanoes
indeed.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <20121019112848.c44f...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Fri, 19 Oct 2012 at 11:28:48 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote

>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
>bobharvey <robert...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 19, 10:17 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> > >    I'm waiting for Linda Lovelace day...
>> > I'm not sure what would be involved, given that she's dead.
>> > But I bet it would suck.
>>
>> <groaning noise>
>
>Arpebcuvyvn vf qrnq obevat
>

That is why they hung John Christie.

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