History of the Bramble Bank , betweeen Hampshire and IOW?
N_Cook
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bramble.jpg
It would seem to be an accurate map of coastal and marine features, with a
scale in miles, probably land miles. The drying height shapes/extent around
the shore are much the same as a modern chart. The drying bank/ island?
marked Y as the Bramble is about 1.65 miles from X to X. In other words
about the 2m depth (below datum) line on a modern chart, not the current
small patch with a drying height maximum of 1m above chart datum. Was it
ever an island , with brambles perhaps ? lost in one of the earlier great
channel storms.
Duncan Heenan
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I don't know about the history of the Brambles Bank, but I played cricket
there last Saturday in the annual match between Island Sailing Club and
Royal Southern Yacht Club. Despite my brilliant bowling in the last
(maiden!) over RSYC won after 40 minutes, in a limited over match as the
pitch disappeared under water for another year then. Robin Knox-Johnston and
Rory McGrath were on the RSYC team and the whole thing was filmed for
someone, though I don't know who.
All great fun, but I digress, so back to the OP's thread please.......
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N_Cook
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Even morris men via hovercraft these days
Assuming air pressure at sea level I make the next extended uncovering to be
centered on 17.50 BST +/- 5 min on 19 September giving about 0.4m above
water level at
the peak and some exposed for half hour either side of that.
Where does all this once a year notion come from?
Andy Champ
However I'm pretty sure the person I heard it from doesn't predate the
1698 chart!
Andy
BTW did anyone else see other posts in this thread twice?
Tiddy Ogg
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>BTW did anyone else see other posts in this thread twice?
No. Just one of each of three.
Duncan Heenan
You're probably right. Some bloke said it between overs and I haven't
bothered to check it.
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N_Cook
The once a year tide rather than once a year cricket is on Wiki also.
I should have said this map is
" The River of Southampton (with? ) the situation of Bursleton Beauley &
Lymington"
I made it 11.3 sea miles from Hurst point to Calshot Castle on a modern
chart and 12.64 miles on the old map. Converting 11.3 by 6000/5280 gives
12.84 so it must be land miles , so Bramble was then 1.65 miles long.
and atmospheric pressure, the standard 1013mB, got lost in the OP
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Andrew Robert Breen
>> >> news:h7do39$997$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> > This is from a map of 1698 (before the 1703 great storm)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bramble.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > It would seem to be an accurate map of coastal and marine features,
>> >> > with
>> > a
>> >> > scale in miles, probably land miles. The drying height shapes/extent
>> >> > around
>> >> > the shore are much the same as a modern chart. The drying bank/
>island?
>> >> > marked Y as the Bramble is about 1.65 miles from X to X. In other
>words
>> >> > about the 2m depth (below datum) line on a modern chart, not the
>> >> > current
>> >> > small patch with a drying height maximum of 1m above chart datum. Was
>> >> > it
>> >> > ever an island , with brambles perhaps ? lost in one of the earlier
>> > great
>> >> > channel storms.
That amount of inundation doesn't seem too unreasonable: the south coast has
been steadily sinking of the last n-thousand-odd years (because the ice
melted later in Scotland, so the north is still rising as a result of the
weight coming off it), so there'll have been some rise in sea level since
1700-odd. Add to that erosion as the bank becomes more and more submerged
more of the time and loss off the top seems quite plausible - as does an
origin as an island back maybe a thousand years before that.
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Ronald Raygun
I note that the map seems to show double lines for coastal outlines,
presumably low and high water contours. The Bramble is drawn with only
one line, so that'll be its LW contour. The absence of a HW line suggests
that it wasn't an island in 1698,but evidently it was bigger then than now,
so as you say it could well have been an island earlier.
TonyB
> I don't know about the history of the Brambles Bank, but I played cricket
> there last Saturday in the annual match between Island Sailing Club and
> Royal Southern Yacht Club.
I cannot believe anyone would do something as inane as that.
Everyone knows you don't play cricket in February.....
TonyB
Mike Coon
> Everyone knows you don't play cricket in February.....
to sailing) to believe you are in the southern hemisphere and thus in
February summer...
Mike.
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Quilljar
every day for something interesting. I can't contribute much as I no longer
have a boat and am waiting to go to Greece with luck sailing in May!
I have never played cricket on the Bramble, but have seen the teams at it as
I sailed past once!
Quilly
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N_Cook
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perhaps falls between 3 stools. IOW record office perhaps has nothing as
maybe considered not IOW and HMHO would likely have nothing as not maritime
the era of my interest
Mike Coon
> ... I no longer have a boat and am waiting to go to Greece with luck
> sailing in May!
Always sail with a good stock of luck! I'm going Corfu > Epidavros via
Corinth Canal 4-18 May; what's your wished-for region?
Mike
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Or downhill depending on which way you are travelling ;-)
Well it doesn't really, but the rock formation makes it look like that ;-)
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> "Mike Coon" <Mike@@mjcoon.+.com> wrote in message
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>> Quilljar wrote:
>>> ... I no longer have a boat and am waiting to go to Greece with luck
>>> sailing in May!
>>
>> Always sail with a good stock of luck! I'm going Corfu > Epidavros via
>> Corinth Canal 4-18 May; what's your wished-for region?
>>
>> Mike.
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> Corinth Canal where the water flows uphill ;-)
>
> Or downhill depending on which way you are travelling ;-)
>
> Well it doesn't really, but the rock formation makes it look like that ;-)
>
> Mike
>
Roberts
I can remember many years ago one of the big liners (one of the queens I
think) went agound there. We all laughed at the upper classes having to be
ferried ashore on aboard all sorts of uncomfortable craft
Robbie>
>
N_Cook
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and floated off without the ignimony of tugs ISTR.
Another odditity of this area , manmade "island" of I think Spitsand Fort
has a well in the middle of it, always struck me as weird that.
Quilljar
drive from the airport to the marina.
Otherwise, I cannot fault Croatia for sailing around the islands. start at
Dubrovnik.
Quilly
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Nikki Locke
> Always sail with a good stock of luck! I'm going Corfu > Epidavros via
> Corinth Canal 4-18 May;
waves are smashing over the mole, don't worry about it. It may be almost
flat calm just outside the entrance to the canal.
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Duncan Heenan
> I can remember many years ago one of the big liners (one of the queens I
> think) went agound there. We all laughed at the upper classes having to be
> ferried ashore on aboard all sorts of uncomfortable craft
> Robbie>
>
Southampton for her final visit. The locals all said it was her way of
saying she didn't want to go.
I recall my father who was stationed in the Navy on the river Hamble
1942-45, that numerous ships went aground on the Brambles in the rather
crowded Solent in the run -up to D-Day. When it was a foreign ship
(especially American) everyone laughed, when it was RN, it was ignored.
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TonyB
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