please help
Laughing Boy
"oldmolly" <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> You don't know me from Adam I know. Yet I need your help. This is a
genuine
> plea, and not just another pre xmas scam. Go to the link below to find out
> why I am so desperate
>
> --
> Help save Kip!!
> http://www.geocities.com/fenwoman/savekip.html
yer a fuckin chancer, I'm gonna do one called help "save the wee fuckin
laughing boy" and see how much I can con out of the daft fuckers who you
conned.
oldmolly
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is the vet hospital???
Ok, well would you like the number for the local police station?? Or will
they be conning you too when they tell you that my story is true??
I pity you, I really do, as it is obvious that you neither have anyone or
anything in life to love, nor does anyone or anything love you. What a
terrible life.
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Laughing Boy
> I take it that you didn't even bother to phone the number I supplied
which
> is the vet hospital???
> Ok, well would you like the number for the local police station?? Or will
> they be conning you too when they tell you that my story is true??
> I pity you, I really do, as it is obvious that you neither have anyone or
> anything in life to love, nor does anyone or anything love you. What a
> terrible life.
I do have more in my life than a fuckin smelly dug, now who is the sad one
here ?
oldmolly
Laughing Boy
>
> "Laughing Boy" <laugh...@goosemoose.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "oldmolly" <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:ar93c9$gcv46$2...@ID-165698.news.dfncis.de...
> > > I take it that you didn't even bother to phone the number I supplied
> > which
> > > is the vet hospital???
> > > Ok, well would you like the number for the local police station?? Or
> will
> > > they be conning you too when they tell you that my story is true??
> > > I pity you, I really do, as it is obvious that you neither have anyone
> or
> > > anything in life to love, nor does anyone or anything love you. What a
> > > terrible life.
> >
> >
> > I do have more in my life than a fuckin smelly dug, now who is the sad
one
> > here ?
> >
> Still you I'm afraid.
bet you wank the dug when you got a wee swally in ye :-)
K1ng
Ok, theres ads on TV right now, they go something (vaguely) along the lines
of "10 pence can feed a family for a day in <fill in country>" yet "£5 a
month can help them build their own life".
Now, please explain to me why saving a dog which will do nothing for its
entire and very short life is better than saving £1,000 worth of families
(200+ families) who will live ten times as long and may well move on to do
something beneficial to society.
I like animals but theres too many charities out there for a wad of money to
be denied to them for the sake of Kip.
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- Ross
oldmolly <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> You don't know me from Adam I know. Yet I need your help. This is a
genuine
> plea, and not just another pre xmas scam. Go to the link below to find out
> why I am so desperate
>
> --
> Help save Kip!!
> http://www.geocities.com/fenwoman/savekip.html
>
>
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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>
> Ok, theres ads on TV right now, they go something (vaguely) along the
lines
> of "10 pence can feed a family for a day in <fill in country>" yet "£5 a
> month can help them build their own life".
>
> Now, please explain to me why saving a dog which will do nothing for its
> entire and very short life is better than saving £1,000 worth of families
> (200+ families) who will live ten times as long and may well move on to do
> something beneficial to society.
>
> I like animals but theres too many charities out there for a wad of money
to
> be denied to them for the sake of Kip.
>
> --
> Nemo me impune laccessit
> - Ross
I like dogs - especially collies. I don't like people and what they are
capable of doing - like believing in a religion that forbids the use of
contraception when there are way too many mouths to feed as it is.
People are capable of getting themselves out of the holes they get
themselves into (and are even capable of not putting themselves into the
holes in the first place). Kip is in this situation through no fault of her
own; rather through the fault of a particularly appalling individual. Your
money, furthermore, is of less use to the people than it will be to Kip.
Most of it is swallowed in admin costs - how do you think these
organisations pay for time on TV?
Sod the people - 'mon the wee dug!
Jacqueline
> I like dogs - especially collies. I don't like people and what they are
> capable of doing - like believing in a religion that forbids the use of
> contraception when there are way too many mouths to feed as it is.
> People are capable of getting themselves out of the holes they get
> themselves into (and are even capable of not putting themselves into the
> holes in the first place). Kip is in this situation through no fault of her
> own; rather through the fault of a particularly appalling individual. Your
> money, furthermore, is of less use to the people than it will be to Kip.
> Most of it is swallowed in admin costs - how do you think these
> organisations pay for time on TV?
> Sod the people - 'mon the wee dug!
Och, you! You beat me to it, that's basically what I was about to say.
Animal groups/individuals deserve charity because animals are at the
mercy of humans who domesticated them. Humans have the intelligence,
power, and ability to sort themselves out. I also think it's a bit crude
to compare the cost of saving a dog versus a hypothetical society. How
can you measure the companionship/comfort a dog gives to say, an elderly
person, in pounds? It's priceless innit.
Jacqueline
sme
Well i'm no going either way, ever situation is different. All i will ask
is do either of you insure your pets? Obviously Kips owner didn't feel it
worth the extra finance to insure her dog against injury and is now paying
the price, so to speak.
I've seen your dog Westie and i would hope you have him insured!!:o)
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west.ender
"sme" <ninj...@netscape.net>
> Well i'm no going either way, ever situation is different. All i will ask
> is do either of you insure your pets? Obviously Kips owner didn't feel it
> worth the extra finance to insure her dog against injury and is now paying
> the price, so to speak.
>
> I've seen your dog Westie and i would hope you have him insured!!:o)
>
> --
> sme
> www.ninja-base.tk
:o) :o) :o)
'Course he's insured! When did you see him??
sme
You fogotten wee Sally already?? Anyway, i rarely go to the park now coz
there's some dog there called Rufus i think. It runs around attacking all
the other dogs and will take the hand of a kid if theres sweets on the go!!
God help the painter/decorator that dares enter the flat of Rufus!!! ;o))
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v
v
v
Only joking!! Rufus is a cracker and wouldn't hurt a fly. Less could be
said about Westie though!! ;oP
Jacqueline
>
> > How can you measure the companionship/comfort a dog gives to
> > say, an elderly person, in pounds? It's priceless innit.
>
> Well i'm no going either way, ever situation is different. All i will ask
> is do either of you insure your pets?
Hehe, yeah, two of them are, but my own life is not insured ;-p I'll get
round to it.
> Obviously Kips owner didn't feel it
> worth the extra finance to insure her dog against injury and is now paying
> the price, so to speak.
Or maybe they didn't think about it until it was too late, I dunno.
Jacqueline
K1ng
nothing dies?
-K1
K1ng
K1
Jacqueline
>
> And at wat point in evolution did it become to human races duty to make sure
> nothing dies?
When we developed intelligence, compassion, and a sense of
self-awareness?
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
>
> Compassion. So we favour compassion of an animal over the life of a human?
Evidently *we* don't, but I favour compassion of an injured animal over
a human who can look after himself.
People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other living
thing as far as I'm concerned.
Jacqueline
Lord Mucker
"Jacqueline" <jacqueli...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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> K1ng wrote:
> >
> > Compassion. So we favour compassion of an animal over the life of a
human?
>
> Evidently *we* don't, but I favour compassion of an injured animal over
> a human who can look after himself.
Or a human that brings on his (her) own injuries themselves.
>
> People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other living
> thing as far as I'm concerned.
Its humans that are destroying the planet.
Wally
> > And at wat point in evolution did it become to human races duty to make
sure
> > nothing dies?
> When we developed intelligence, compassion, and a sense of
> self-awareness?
As a matter of interest, are you a veggie/vegan? Do you have any goods made
of leather?
Jacqueline
>
> "Jacqueline" <jacqueli...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > > And at wat point in evolution did it become to human races duty to make
> sure
> > > nothing dies?
>
> > When we developed intelligence, compassion, and a sense of
> > self-awareness?
>
> As a matter of interest, are you a veggie/vegan? Do you have any goods made
> of leather?
I'm a veggie and I probably do have something made of leather but I
can't think what off the top of my head. My boots and shoes are
synthetic. I'm not preaching, if you want to eat meat or wear leather or
suede then so be it. I'm just not comfortable doing it, me personally,
my choice. I'd rather other people didn't: I think society as a whole
would benefit from cutting out all violence but I'm also a realist and
that aint gonna happen. So, meanwhile, I live as I see fit. I couldn't
slaughter my own animal to cook so I don't expect anyone else to do it
for me. And I care about animals. I couldn't eat my cats and they're
really no different from a lamb. Apart from the whiskers, obviously ;o)
Jacqueline
K1ng
> People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other living
> thing as far as I'm concerned.
No but that doesn't make it our duty to take care of all the living things
on this planet.
-K1
K1ng
> Its humans that are destroying the planet.
If dogs evolved at our speed they would be in the same position. And we are
not only destroying the planet but we are trying to save it. Look at it
this way, tomorrow the sun could explode and destroy earth, whos fault would
that be?
K1
K1ng
> When we developed intelligence, compassion, and a sense of
> self-awareness?
So these things appoint us the savour of the universe?
K1
K1ng
> can't think what off the top of my head. My boots and shoes are
> synthetic. I'm not preaching, if you want to eat meat or wear leather or
> suede then so be it. I'm just not comfortable doing it, me personally,
> my choice. I'd rather other people didn't: I think society as a whole
> would benefit from cutting out all violence but I'm also a realist and
> that aint gonna happen. So, meanwhile, I live as I see fit. I couldn't
> slaughter my own animal to cook so I don't expect anyone else to do it
> for me. And I care about animals. I couldn't eat my cats and they're
> really no different from a lamb. Apart from the whiskers, obviously ;o)
So, if a cat or a sheep was three times the size of you and liked meat, do
you think he would spare your life cos "it wasn't fair"
non?
K1
Jacqueline
>
> >And I care about animals. I couldn't eat my cats and they're
> > really no different from a lamb. Apart from the whiskers, obviously ;o)
>
> So, if a cat or a sheep was three times the size of you and liked meat, do
> you think he would spare your life cos "it wasn't fair"
>
> non?
Would that be a carnivorous sheep? ;o) Of course a cat 3 times the size
of me wouldn't spare me if he was peckish because he lives in an
environment where he has to struggle to survive and doesn't have much
choice. But people are not big cats.
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
Fine. You be selfish and primitive and I'll make it my duty. If you
can't see the advantages of protecting living things to the
best of our ability then I pity you very much.
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
*sigh* do you really want me to explain it to you or are you just taking
the piss?
Jacqueline
west.ender
"Jacqueline" <jacqueli...@gmx.co.uk>
<snip>
If you
> can't see the advantages of protecting living things to the
> best of our ability then I pity you very much.
>
> Jacqueline
I wouldn't waste the effort.
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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???
At what point in evolution does the above make grammatical sense?
And at what point in evolution did it become the human race's right to
pollute, poison or slaughter thousands of other species to extinction?
We are a hopelessly stupid species.
west.ender
"Wally" <m...@here.com>
> As a matter of interest, are you a veggie/vegan? Do you have any goods
made
> of leather?
>
>
> --
> Wally
> oil-painte...@yahoogroups.com
Entirely beside the point. SAVE KIP!!!!!
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk>
> So, if a cat or a sheep was three times the size of you and liked meat,
do
> you think he would spare your life cos "it wasn't fair"
>
> non?
>
> K1
Stupid stupid stupid - and tiresome too.
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk>
the savour of the universe?
>
> K1
????
Pretty unsavoury in your case, I'd say.
west.ender
> K1ng wrote:
> >
> > Compassion. So we favour compassion of an animal over the life of a
human?
Usually I do, yes. Are you a nicer crittur than my wee dug? I doubt it. Is
anybody? I doubt it.
> Evidently *we* don't, but I favour compassion of an injured animal over
> a human who can look after himself.
>
> People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other living
> thing as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Jacqueline
Och, you! My sentiments exactly.
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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We have referred only to Kip. How is that all living things?
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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>
> > Its humans that are destroying the planet.
>
> If dogs evolved at our speed they would be in the same position. And we
are
> not only destroying the planet but we are trying to save it.
You're a right thickie you are. Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
canine evolutionary priorities however, evidently were not the same as ours.
Furthermore, we are not doing anything like enough to save the planet: but
my question, which naturally follows from your spurious point, is...guess?
"Who the fuck's fault is it that the planet is in the state it's in??"
Look at it
> this way, tomorrow the sun could explode and destroy earth, whos fault
would
> that be?
>
> K1
I choose not to look at it that way. I choose to apportion blame and
responsibility for the lamentable state of the planet NOW.
Wally
> > As a matter of interest, are you a veggie/vegan? Do you have any
> > goods made of leather?
> Entirely beside the point. SAVE KIP!!!!!
I'm not sure that it is beside the point. Jaqueline's comment got me
thinking that there must be meat-eating leather-wearers who would argue - on
moral grounds - that Kip should be saved. Is such a position tenable?
K1ng
> You're a right thickie you are.
Thanks, guess a degree counts for nothing these days.
> Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
> canine evolutionary priorities however, evidently were not the same as
ours.
Its a lottery
> Furthermore, we are not doing anything like enough to save the planet: but
> my question, which naturally follows from your spurious point, is...guess?
> "Who the fuck's fault is it that the planet is in the state it's in??"
Why does it matter whos fault it is, if cows farted at twice the rate they
do then they would make up enough methane in ten years to do the same damage
it has taken us 6000 years to do.
> I choose not to look at it that way. I choose to apportion blame and
> responsibility for the lamentable state of the planet NOW.
Why? The amount of time it will take to make a difference, we could be on
another planet.
K1ng
> Fine. You be selfish and primitive and I'll make it my duty. If you
> can't see the advantages of protecting living things to the
> best of our ability then I pity you very much.
Whats the advantage, surely not to eat them because that would destroy the
purpose, what other function do animals perform if you remove them from our
foodchain?
K1ng
Why not, I'm an educated man, my view mean just as mucha s any of yours.
K1ng
I was talkin generally in my reply that its not our duty to take care of
any/all living things.
K1ng
> anybody? I doubt it.
Why is your dug nice? Does it make youa cup of tea? Talk to you about your
problems? or sit there and do nothing while you create a personality in your
head and become attached, all the while seaming like the dog is gettin
friendlier.
> > People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other living
> > thing as far as I'm concerned.
> Och, you! My sentiments exactly.
Still doesn't make it our duty to make sure nothing dies.
K1ng
> of me wouldn't spare me if he was peckish because he lives in an
> environment where he has to struggle to survive and doesn't have much
> choice. But people are not big cats.
People are indeed big cats, were both mamals, its just cats are further back
in the chain. And how come you can say that everything has a right to live
on teh earth but everything should be treated different because of their
evolutionary stage?
K1ng
The only stupidity is ognorance to other beliefs
K1ng
> thinking that there must be meat-eating leather-wearers who would argue -
on
> moral grounds - that Kip should be saved. Is such a position tenable?
Agreed
K1ng
> the piss?
I promise you I am not taking the piss. I have no idea why you think its a
good idea that we should spend time and resources saving animals that will,
if we give them the chance, eat us.
K1ng
Yes well Dyslexia isnt stupidity
K1ng
> And at what point in evolution did it become the human race's right to
> pollute, poison or slaughter thousands of other species to extinction?
> We are a hopelessly stupid species.
By human perseption. What I'm saying is that "what the fuck does it matter
if all the animals die, they have no purpose to us and will die on this
planet when the damn thing explodes so why save them now"
sme
You ARE on another planet mate!! lmao!!! (you set that up well for us :o))
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Martin McGranaghan
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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>
> By human perseption. What I'm saying is that "what the fuck does it
matter
> if all the animals die, they have no purpose to us and will die on this
> planet when the damn thing explodes so why save them now"
>
By the same logic what is the point of your continuing your existence?
G
Goes to show that the dugs deed!
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>
> "Laughing Boy" <laugh...@goosemoose.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "oldmolly" <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:ar93c9$gcv46$2...@ID-165698.news.dfncis.de...
> > > I take it that you didn't even bother to phone the number I supplied
> > which
> > > is the vet hospital???
> > > Ok, well would you like the number for the local police station?? Or
> will
> > > they be conning you too when they tell you that my story is true??
> > > I pity you, I really do, as it is obvious that you neither have anyone
> or
> > > anything in life to love, nor does anyone or anything love you. What a
> > > terrible life.
> >
> >
> > I do have more in my life than a fuckin smelly dug, now who is the sad
one
> > here ?
> >
> Still you I'm afraid.
>
>
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Goes to show that the dugs deed!
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K1ng
Yeah well, I had to give you some ammo, you's were running low, :D.
K1ng
Now your getting it
Martin McGranaghan
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> Reading this thread I noticed "Old Molly" has not replied to anyone.
> Goes to show that the dugs deed
It's not. oldmolly unfortunately posted the details to lots of the uk.local
groups. Since she has not frequented this group before it's a fair bet that
she simply isn't following the thread in this group any more. Looking in
the correct group you would find that the dog is not dead.
Jacqueline
>
> > You're a right thickie you are.
>
> Thanks, guess a degree counts for nothing these days.
It's not a matter of academic achievement, after all, scientists have
the same mindset as you and they're the ones destroying the planet.
> > Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
>
> Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
Do you think walking on two legs is better than four? I don't. You can
cover a greater distance on four and don't get back troubles into the
equation either. I'd rather be a quadroped but my arms are too short :o(
> > Furthermore, we are not doing anything like enough to save the planet: but
> > my question, which naturally follows from your spurious point, is...guess?
> > "Who the fuck's fault is it that the planet is in the state it's in??"
>
> Why does it matter whos fault it is, if cows farted at twice the rate they
> do then they would make up enough methane in ten years to do the same damage
> it has taken us 6000 years to do.
Hehe, you just made that up, didn't you? ;o) Besides the fact there are
only so many cows because we artificially interfere with their natural
breeding level, cows don't fart cfcs or carbon monoxide, nor do they
burn up all the coal and oil that's been around since the year dot. I
think man has done a wee bit more damage than our bovine friends ;o)
> > I choose not to look at it that way. I choose to apportion blame and
> > responsibility for the lamentable state of the planet NOW.
>
> Why? The amount of time it will take to make a difference, we could be on
> another planet.
That's rubbish! If everyone took that attitude the world would be wiped
out in a generation. I don't think I have that right, to deny other
people the chance to live, explore, enjoy what nature has given us.
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
I think that's the whole crux of this argument, you obviously don't see
animals as anything other than food. I think that's a very sad way to
live. What gives you enjoyment? Getting pissed with your mates? Earning
lots of money to buy material items you don't really need? Working
all year round to afford a couple of weeks in the sun every summer? I'm
not attacking you personally because I know plenty of people like that,
and strangely it's a very common way of life for the west of scotland. I
find it very shallow. You made a comment about westie "inventing a
personality" in her dog. Have you never bonded with an animal? You don't
invent it, every one is different. They're not robots, they really do
have intelligence, and their own little ways. Granted, they can't make
you a cup of tea, but I can make my own cup of tea. The fact that that
little cat, dog, rabbit, monkey, whatever, can express itself and
demonstrate its own peculiar brand of intelligence makes me think that
they are just as entitled to life as any person. I suppose you wouldn't
care if there were no animals on the planet. I think the world would be
very, very dull indeed. Nothing man-made can ever be as beautiful or
wonderful as anything in nature. When I look at a cat's face, I see
perfection. I can't really put it into words, it makes me feel
insignificant. So I get rather upset when people hack off an elephant's
tusks to make a few bob and to hell with the fact that the next
generation will only see an elephant in their history books. Tell you
what. Next time you decide to take a holiday, go on a safari to kenya
and come back and tell me animals don't have a place in this world apart
from on your plate.
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
I respect a tiger's right to eat what it has developed to eat. I don't
have a gut designed to eat raw meat, nor teeth to rip open flesh, so I'm
happy munching on my pasta. Tigers eat antelopes, gorillas eat leaves,
we're all different and so we are all treated differently. But we're all
just as entitled to life.
Jacqueline
Jacqueline
Ok, so there are two types of people. The leftie-socialist and the
right-wing-individualist. I don't need to ask where you fall ;o) I think
it would benefit everyone if we lived in a more equal society where
nobody had to suffer and had adequate food, shelter, etc. That means a
more civilised way of life, and to eliminate suffering we also have to
eliminate violence (including the unnecessary killing of animals). I'm
talking long-term here, obviously. Ok, we could get hit by an asteroid
tomorrow or the sun will burn out, but that looks very unlikely for at
least a few hunner-thousand years. I don't believe in god or the
afterlife or that I'm going anywhere else when I die, so our lives are
totally insignificant and we will cease to be once we pop our clogs. But
you can leave a legacy to future generations. If everybody took the
right-wing attitude - live for today, sod the rest - then we'd never
have evolved beyond the hunter-gatherer stage. You have to invest for
the sake of everyone. So having a respect for other life is my idea of a
civilised society. At the moment, we (in the west at least) have the
lifestyle pretty much sussed. We can adequately afford the time and
money to look after animals which are suffering so we can make a start
on helping them now. The elderly take up something like three quarters
of the NHS's budget. They're gonna die anyway, should we just deny them
care for the sake of a few quid? Of course not. So, like I say, everyone
has a right to life and as long as we are able to alleviate their
suffering, then I think we should. I know you can't see that, so you
stick to your way of life and I'll stick to mine. It would be on my
conscience if I did nothing and imparted the view that animals are
pointless to my children. I don't think that's the way forward at all.
Incidentally, there aren't many animals which would eat a man given the
chance. Very few in fact.
Eek, I didn't mean that to be so long. I won't be online for a couple of
days (thank feck sez ye) but I look forward to any replies.
Jacqueline
Martin McGranaghan
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:aro62a$e8i$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > By the same logic what is the point of your continuing your existence?
>
> Now your getting it
>
Yeah, you're depressed.
Get a pet. It'll cheer you up.
The Voice of Logic
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armpuv$a0v$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > You're a right thickie you are.
>
> Thanks, guess a degree counts for nothing these days.
Plenty of thickies have degrees pal. You don't have to be particularly
intelligent to get one. Formal education in the main is based on mimicry.
The Voice of Logic
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:arjgv2$tvb$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> And at wat point in evolution did it become to human races duty to make
sure
> nothing dies?
Thats impossible anyway because *every* living organism dies eventually.
Feminism
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq6j$v4k$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Usually I do, yes. Are you a nicer crittur than my wee dug? I doubt it.
Is
> > anybody? I doubt it.
>
> Why is your dug nice? Does it make youa cup of tea? Talk to you about
your
> problems?
It cannae be any worse than men:op
The Voice Of Logic
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armqht$aci$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
The same could easilly be said for humans as for any other animal. Why do
we have doctors, scientists, paramedics and the like?
sme
Because we can? there aren't any equivelants that i can think of in the
animal kingdom. That and humans are, as far as i know, the only animal that
is motivated by financial wealth even when they have enough they still want
more.
The point is that humans are the strongest species on this planet. We might
be the dumbest but we rule this planet and although everyone blames us for
putting the hole in the ozone, who knows if it wouldn't have happened
anyway, its only going to be us that helps repair it.
Anyway, whats happening with Kip? Is he better now? did his owner get the
cash? if he dies would his owner return the cash to everyone? if he
survives will his owner get some decent pet insurance or resort to having
to beg for money off strangers on the internet again?
--
sme
www.ninja-base.tk
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armpuv$a0v$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > You're a right thickie you are.
>
> Thanks, guess a degree counts for nothing these days.
Seemingly - in your case anyway
> > Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
>
> Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
So you reckon two legs is better do ya?
> > canine evolutionary priorities however, evidently were not the same as
> ours.
>
> Its a lottery
As is punctuation, evidently. Where does the apostrophe go?
> > Furthermore, we are not doing anything like enough to save the planet:
but
> > my question, which naturally follows from your spurious point,
is...guess?
> > "Who the fuck's fault is it that the planet is in the state it's in??"
>
> Why does it matter whos
oh dear
fault it is, if cows farted at twice the rate they
> do then they would make up enough methane in ten years to do the same
damage
> it has taken us 6000 years to do.
If, if, if. Cows don't fart at anything other than the rate they fart at.
Why don't you deal with the facts?
> > I choose not to look at it that way. I choose to apportion blame and
> > responsibility for the lamentable state of the planet NOW.
>
> Why? The amount of time it will take to make a difference, we could be on
> another planet.
Not going to happen. We can't breathe anywhere other than here.
west.ender
"The Voice of Logic" <apa...@wedontcare.co.uk> wrote in message
news:u1WD9.2417$eV1.16...@news-text.cableinet.net...
"Who's a pretty boy then?"
;o)
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq20$a30$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I wouldn't waste the effort.
>
> Why not, I'm an educated man, my view mean just as mucha s any of yours.
You can't proof read.
And Ah just don't like ye!
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq0q$d3g$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > Fine. You be selfish and primitive and I'll make it my duty. If you
> > can't see the advantages of protecting living things to the
> > best of our ability then I pity you very much.
>
> Whats the advantage, surely not to eat them because that would destroy the
> purpose, what other function do animals perform if you remove them from
our
> foodchain?
You are kidding, surely. Not every other sentient creature on the planet is
here just to fit in with our madnesses. "function", indeed!!
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq2q$ekf$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > We have referred only to Kip. How is that all living things?
>
> I was talkin generally in my reply that its not our duty to take care of
> any/all living things.
While we are responsible for the control/destruction/alteration of their
natural habitats - which we are - we do have a duty to them.
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq6j$v4k$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Usually I do, yes. Are you a nicer crittur than my wee dug? I doubt it.
Is
> > anybody? I doubt it.
>
> Why is your dug nice? Does it make youa cup of tea? Talk to you about
your
> problems?
No - that's one of the reasons why I like him.
or sit there and do nothing while you create a personality in your
> head
I do nothing of the sort. I like him for what he is, not for what I think he
is. And I like the way he behaves when he's with me, and I like the way I
behave when I'm with him.
and become attached, all the while seaming like the dog is gettin
> friendlier.
>
> > > People are no more entitled to live on this planet than any other
living
> > > thing as far as I'm concerned.
> > Och, you! My sentiments exactly.
>
> Still doesn't make it our duty to make sure nothing dies.
This thread is about saving one dog - a dog that was horrifically injured by
an unthinking, appalling human.
west.ender
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armqao$v5u$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Stupid stupid stupid - and tiresome too.
>
> The only stupidity is ognorance to other beliefs
I don't know what ognorance is - and if you meant "ignorance" you may be
interested to know that one cannot be ignorant "to" something - one is
ignorant "of" something.
Your "degree" - from Paisley was it?
;o)
Wally
> > > Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
> > Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
> So you reckon two legs is better do ya?
Do you see many people making a phone call using a foot, while hopping down
the street on the other foot?
It's not the reduction in legs that makes humans 'superior', but the
increase in hands.
Wally
> > > We have referred only to Kip. How is that all living things?
> >
> > I was talkin generally in my reply that its not our duty to take care of
> > any/all living things.
>
> While we are responsible for the control/destruction/alteration of their
> natural habitats - which we are - we do have a duty to them.
Who says we're responsible? What do you mean by "responsible"?
Wally
> > Still doesn't make it our duty to make sure nothing dies.
>
> This thread is about saving one dog - a dog that was horrifically injured
by
> an unthinking, appalling human.
Maybe so, but the arguments that he should be saved seem to have been based
on ethical generalisations.
west.ender
Kip Lives!!!
:o) :o) :o)
K1ng, why don't you get a dog, or a life, or some lessons in punctuation
Ya Dobber!!!!!
You obviously don't know what you're missing - whether you were deliberately
playing devil's advocate or not in this thread.
west.ender
"Wally" <m...@here.com> wrote in message
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> "west.ender" <west....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:xL5E9.1492
>
> > > > Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
> > > Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
>
> > So you reckon two legs is better do ya?
>
> Do you see many people making a phone call using a foot, while hopping
down
> the street on the other foot?
Look mate, I live in the west end of Glasgow and I've seen far stranger than
that! But I've never seen a dog make a phone call. Your point being...?
> It's not the reduction in legs that makes humans 'superior', but the
> increase in hands.
And opposable thumbs
west.ender
You know perfectly well.
west.ender
Speak for yourself. I want HER to be saved because I like dogs and because
she's unutterably cute. I wouldn't bother trying to pick that argument
apart. }o)
Wally
> > > While we are responsible for the control/destruction/alteration of
their
> > > natural habitats - which we are - we do have a duty to them.
> >
> > Who says we're responsible? What do you mean by "responsible"?
> You know perfectly well.
I'm not a mind reader. I'm asking you to define your terms.
Wally
> > > > > Dogs have evolved at a rapid rate of knots;
> > > > Obviously not enough to be walking on two legs.
> > > So you reckon two legs is better do ya?
> > Do you see many people making a phone call using a foot, while hopping
> > down the street on the other foot?
> Look mate, I live in the west end of Glasgow and I've seen far stranger
than
> that! But I've never seen a dog make a phone call. Your point being...?
Not only do dogs not make phone calls, they don't build space stations,
either. Or write messages on computers. Our hands have a lot to do with
getting that far. See preceding comments re rate of evolution of dogs
compared with humans. Do you think being on two legs is crap?
> > It's not the reduction in legs that makes humans 'superior', but the
> > increase in hands.
> And opposable thumbs
Aye, they're handy as well. (groan)
Wally
> > > > Still doesn't make it our duty to make sure nothing dies.
> > >
> > > This thread is about saving one dog - a dog that was horrifically
> > > injured by an unthinking, appalling human.
> > Maybe so, but the arguments that he should be saved seem to have been
> > based on ethical generalisations.
> Speak for yourself.
I'm not. I'm commenting on the arguments put forward by others. My
disposition regarding whether or not Kip should be saved hasn't been stated.
> I want HER to be saved because I like dogs and because
> she's unutterably cute.
Kip is a boy dog. Since you've already mentioned...
http://www.geocities.com/fenwoman/savekip.html
...I find it hard to believe that you haven't read the bit that says...
Yippee!!!!!
Kip comes home today
I go to collect him after 4 pm.
22/11/2002
Spot the "him" word in there? Since you've already directed someone to this
particular part of the web site - indicating that "Kip lives!!", surely you
read enough of it to determine whether the dog is male or female?
> I wouldn't bother trying to pick that argument apart. }o)
It isn't an argument, it's a statement of what you like/think.
The Voice Of Logic
"K1ng" <Please-dont-send-me-s...@drew23.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
in message news:armq20$a30$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I wouldn't waste the effort.
>
...or just as little.
The Voice Of Logic
We all know what the vet said on the way out?
"Get to your bed and have a good *kip* "
:o)
west.ender
.......er, except the bit where she is actually he........... but still
unutterably cute, even with a blue bum. ;o)
K1ng
> Ya Dobber!!!!!
He says, placing way too many explanation marks afterwards (someone else
needs a lesson in punctuation under your rules)
> You obviously don't know what you're missing - whether you were
deliberately
> playing devil's advocate or not in this thread.
Missing. The only thing I am missing is an acceptable number of sensible
people to have a sensible conversation without resorting to name calling.
And please explain the importance of punctation in a casual newsgroups such
as this.
Theres always one isnt there.
-K1ng
K1ng
> the same mindset as you and they're the ones destroying the planet.
I hate that phrase. Would people please stop using this argument, its
irrelevant. As I said, the world could suddenly be destroyed for any one of
a thousand resons, man destroying the world slowly isnt some crime against
nature, we are PART of nature. Man is part of nature and can destroy a
world just as a black hole is part of nature and can destroy thousands.
We are capable of moving through and being a direct part of only 4 of 11
dimensions, there could be billions upon billions of universes, what
difference does it make if man vandolises on of the billions upons billions
of world sin each of these, the worse than can happen is that we die.
> Do you think walking on two legs is better than four? I don't. You can
> cover a greater distance on four and don't get back troubles into the
> equation either. I'd rather be a quadroped but my arms are too short :o(
Well, the abuility to walk on our hind legs allowed us the use of our front
legs, which evolved into arms allowing us to make use of tools and objects,
to improve communication and hunting skills so yes, I would rather walk on
my hind legs.
> Hehe, you just made that up, didn't you? ;o) Besides the fact there are
> only so many cows because we artificially interfere with their natural
> breeding level, cows don't fart cfcs or carbon monoxide, nor do they
> burn up all the coal and oil that's been around since the year dot. I
> think man has done a wee bit more damage than our bovine friends ;o)
Fraid not. The ozone layer has been coming to peices well before man
started to assist it and cows farts had alot to do with that (FACT) although
I may have exadurated a bit on my last statement.
> That's rubbish! If everyone took that attitude the world would be wiped
> out in a generation. I don't think I have that right, to deny other
> people the chance to live, explore, enjoy what nature has given us.
We are not denying others the right to live, we are ensuring our own
survival. In Charles Darwins words "Survival of the Fittest". And nomatter
what state the world was in, the world would NOT come to an end in a
generation.
-K1ng
K1ng
> intelligent to get one. Formal education in the main is based on mimicry.
I agree with you there. But how else do you prove you are not a thickie
than?
-K1ng
K1ng
So my replies have been thick haev they? As opposed to your name calling
and nitpicking?
> So you reckon two legs is better do ya?
Without a doubt, see above.
> As is punctuation, evidently. Where does the apostrophe go?
If I cared, it would be there. Again, read above.
> oh dear
riiight.
> If, if, if. Cows don't fart at anything other than the rate they fart at.
> Why don't you deal with the facts?
For the same reason you cant stop nitpicking probably. An argument is won
be counter arguments not by disasembling manurisms. I am not getting
personal here, its a logical and sinsible discussion.
> Not going to happen. We can't breathe anywhere other than here.
Hundred of planets in billions of solar systems in billions of universes and
you think this is the only place we can breath?
-K1ng
K1ng
down
> the street on the other foot?
>
> It's not the reduction in legs that makes humans 'superior', but the
> increase in hands.
Someone who understands the importance of typing as opposed to spelling.
-K1ng
K1ng
than
> that! But I've never seen a dog make a phone call. Your point being...?
Why ask why walking on two legs is important then question the answer as if
you never asked?
> And opposable thumbs
Sounds good dunnit.
-K1ng
K1ng
Why would I want to waste time proof readin when even you who nitpicks at it
can understand my writing.
> And Ah just don't like ye!
Then you are either a polition or you fall under the starsign of Leo, I get
along with everyone else.
-K1ng
K1ng
Indeed.
-K1ng
K1ng
> animals as anything other than food.
Thats what they see us as. Food or Predator.
> I think that's a very sad way to live.
Why? Every living thing has existed this way until we came along, what gives
us the right to change that?
> What gives you enjoyment? Getting pissed with your mates? Earning
> lots of money to buy material items you don't really need? Working
> all year round to afford a couple of weeks in the sun every summer?
Yes.
> I'm not attacking you personally because I know plenty of people like that
I understand the point
> and strangely it's a very common way of life for the west of scotland. I
> find it very shallow. You made a comment about westie "inventing a
> personality" in her dog. Have you never bonded with an animal? You don't
> invent it, every one is different. They're not robots, they really do
> have intelligence, and their own little ways.
Why is that shallow? Its our way of life, thats like a monkey saying
swinging on the trees fighting for bannanas and sex is shallow.
Have you ever noticed how your dogs personality seems to fit perfectly with
yours? Its not something I made up, people do invent personalies for their
dog, fact and they dont know they do it so they assume the dog has a
personality really.
> Granted, they can't make
> you a cup of tea, but I can make my own cup of tea. The fact that that
> little cat, dog, rabbit, monkey, whatever, can express itself and
> demonstrate its own peculiar brand of intelligence makes me think that
> they are just as entitled to life as any person.
They are but if you are stranded with a big dog and a little person on an
island and are forced to eat one, which would it be? I also have trouble
deciding because they are both alive but the fact is, you have to survive
and its natural to eat things lower in the food chain.
> I suppose you wouldn't
> care if there were no animals on the planet. I think the world would be
> very, very dull indeed. Nothing man-made can ever be as beautiful or
> wonderful as anything in nature.
The world would not be boring and there is no way you can wipe all animals,
even if you did, new ones would spring up. As for nothing man made can be
beutifull. The Vatican? Taj Mahal?...scientists can even make their own
life now, just like nature.
> When I look at a cat's face, I see
> perfection. I can't really put it into words, it makes me feel
> insignificant. So I get rather upset when people hack off an elephant's
> tusks to make a few bob and to hell with the fact that the next
> generation will only see an elephant in their history books. Tell you
> what. Next time you decide to take a holiday, go on a safari to kenya
> and come back and tell me animals don't have a place in this world apart
> from on your plate.
Now say that to a super-intellegent elephant and he'll say back "eat them".
I like elephants, I like animals but the fact is that their beuty does not
come before my survival, there are endless other types of beuty. So far
your only real arguments is that animals are beutifull and they make the
world colorfull in contrast to mine which is they more vital to our survival
as food than as orniments of the world.
-K1ng
K1ng
is
> here just to fit in with our madnesses. "function", indeed!!
Isnt madness a concept created by man? Then how can we really define man as
mad? Because then, under our definition of madness we aren't fit to judge or
make decisions which makes our decision invalid so we are not mad? So we
are then fit to call ourselves mad again...
We are surviving as countless creatures have done before us, aren't we
tampertin with nature by trying to save creatures?
-K1ng
K1ng
> natural habitats - which we are - we do have a duty to them.
Does a Lion control its natural habitat. Does it go up to a deer when its
hungry and say "I wont eat this dear because we are running low on dear,
I'll just have a few rabits".....nope. So why do we have to do this?
-K1ng
K1ng
Thats your counter argument?
-K1ng
K1ng
I'd just like to say that I hate very few things in life and feminists are
one of them.
-K1ng
K1ng
by
> an unthinking, appalling human.
And because one human took a dog into their home then failed to take care of
them (which by the way is a total scam form the start) all humans need to
band together and let families die in another part of the world to save this
dog?
Wheres the logic in that?
-K1ng
K1ng
> have a gut designed to eat raw meat, nor teeth to rip open flesh, so I'm
> happy munching on my pasta. Tigers eat antelopes, gorillas eat leaves,
> we're all different and so we are all treated differently. But we're all
> just as entitled to life.
And as intitled to take it to survive.
-K1ng
K1ng
> interested to know that one cannot be ignorant "to" something - one is
> ignorant "of" something.
> Your "degree" - from Paisley was it?
And there you go again. Instead of putting forward a valid argument/counter
argument you pick apart my grammatical errors and try and discredit me.
Since when is intellefence mesured by english grammer? I dont remember
sayin English was my first language, if I was/wasn't dislexic, wheather I
was writing via voice or proxy, so please tell me why my grammer has
anything to with my intellegence.
-K1ng
K1ng
> right-wing-individualist. I don't need to ask where you fall ;o) I think
> it would benefit everyone if we lived in a more equal society where
> nobody had to suffer and had adequate food, shelter, etc. That means a
> more civilised way of life, and to eliminate suffering we also have to
> eliminate violence (including the unnecessary killing of animals).
I dont fall in either, I have mixed views which puts me in a wierd position
there. Although please note that you said 'nobody' instead of 'nothing' but
I still dont see why spending time and resources on animals would help us
live more civlised. Teh money spend feeding out pets could save thousand of
lives in ethiopia.
> I'm talking long-term here, obviously. Ok, we could get hit by an asteroid
> tomorrow or the sun will burn out, but that looks very unlikely for at
> least a few hunner-thousand years. I don't believe in god or the
> afterlife or that I'm going anywhere else when I die, so our lives are
> totally insignificant and we will cease to be once we pop our clogs. But
> you can leave a legacy to future generations.
My entire belief in life and its purpose summed up.
> If everybody took the
> right-wing attitude - live for today, sod the rest - then we'd never
> have evolved beyond the hunter-gatherer stage. You have to invest for
> the sake of everyone. So having a respect for other life is my idea of a
> civilised society. At the moment, we (in the west at least) have the
> lifestyle pretty much sussed. We can adequately afford the time and
> money to look after animals which are suffering so we can make a start
> on helping them now. The elderly take up something like three quarters
> of the NHS's budget. They're gonna die anyway, should we just deny them
> care for the sake of a few quid? Of course not. So, like I say, everyone
> has a right to life and as long as we are able to alleviate their
> suffering, then I think we should. I know you can't see that, so you
> stick to your way of life and I'll stick to mine. It would be on my
> conscience if I did nothing and imparted the view that animals are
> pointless to my children. I don't think that's the way forward at all.
I have no intention of stickin to my guns. My attitude on many things
changes as I learn and grow, you could very well cnvert me by the end of
this thread although I still dont see any reason why a respect for nature is
going to do anything but hinder us. Time spend taking care of animals and
our planet could be spend finding a new one and learning from our mistakes,
the way nature intended it. Nature was not created to last and be
preserved, its very fluid.
> Incidentally, there aren't many animals which would eat a man given the
> chance. Very few in fact.
Almost every animal would if driven to starvation.
> Eek, I didn't mean that to be so long. I won't be online for a couple of
> days (thank feck sez ye) but I look forward to any replies.
I enjoy reading your posts, just because you have a different view from me
doesn't mean I dont like you, thats for politicans. You have valid
arguments and combat mine with sensible replies without a shred of
bitterness or name calling and not even one jibe about my bad grammer.
-K1ng