Ok!
The Traveller
and I need to remove a star screw.
Puffingly, Edith Grumble.
Jpinny
What is or are sprosser?
Jp
a l l y
"The Traveller" <no-...@spam.no> wrote in message
news:5fGdnVFUwcg...@telenor.com...
ally
a l l y
"Jpinny" <jpi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4%jHh.35$yC6...@newsfe12.lga...
unscrew them to paint them, though.
We need new windows. We don't want those horrible plastic units that
everybody's using these days, but we're not exactly well-off.... where can
we get proper wooden sash windows? Any ideas? Without breaking the bank....
ally
The Traveller
"a l l y" <al...@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> wrote in message
news:556809F...@mid.individual.net...
Screwy Edith.
The Traveller
It's those dambed wooden, hundreds of small squares thingies that divide big
windows. Gees, it's taken me two days to paint one and there are 14 windows.
Gizza fag luv.
Edith Chimneystack.
a l l y
One's bigger than t'other.
ally
a l l y
And you need to surround the glass panes with masking tape before you
start - you can just slap the paint on, then.
ally-also-hates-painting-windows
Ron(UK)
> I think you need to use an artist's brush, rather than a decorator's one.
> And you need to surround the glass panes with masking tape before you
> start - you can just slap the paint on, then.
Yeahbut you must pull the tape off before the paint dries, certainly
before the sun gets on it and dries the adhesive out. Tis a reet bugger
to get off the glass once the sticky dries out and parts company with
the tape, staying on the glass.
I bet Edith slaps it on anyway, then spends hours scraping it off the
glass... ehehhe
Voiceofexperiencely
Barry O'Bucknell
The Traveller
Edith.
The Traveller
stove if you wish but they are so stylish that I want them back in their
place. I found them in the cellar. They haven't been used for years. The
house doesn't seem finished without them, and if you remember the windows
here are so big.
Edith.
Edith.
The Traveller
"Ron(UK)" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:eKmdnSOrEbZ...@bt.com...
You would be right, Ron, if they were permanently fixed. What I have to do
now is paint the fronts and the backs and the sides and turn then four times
wait for the paint to dried for each turn then paint all the bits I have
missed and make sure I got into those blooming grooves. Oh, I'm hungry. I am
going to have a cuppa and a sandwich instead, then wash the floors-instead.
There are 42 squares in each thingie and they are taller than I am.
Yuuuuuuuuuuu.........................ukk!
:0( Edith.
Ron(UK)
Buy a little compressor and a spray gun, when you've finished the
windees you can use the compressor to blow up yer lilo
Alwayshelpfully
Ron Recliner
The Traveller
> Buy a little compressor and a spray gun, when you've finished the
> windees you can use the compressor to blow up yer lilo
>
> Alwayshelpfully
> Ron Recliner
Super idea, Ron. Orly suggested spray boxes but I have a sneaking suspicion
that would be very expensive. I'll send him an email now, see what he says.
The way it's going it will take me weeks to do the job.
Edith.
Jpinny
effectiveness, durability and lack of maintenance. You can get them with
a 'wood' frame and trim which never dries out, splinters, cracks or
needs a coat of varnish. You'd need a small fortune to replace with wood
windows of similar performance and practicality.
It must be mild out there in Norway.
Jp
Ron(UK)
How do upvc window frames hold up to extreme cold? does it go brittle or
do they make an 'arctic' version for really cold climes?
Inqisitively
Ron Everest
a l l y
>>
>> We need new windows. We don't want those horrible plastic units that
>> everybody's using these days, but we're not exactly well-off.... where
>> can we get proper wooden sash windows? Any ideas? Without breaking the
>> bank....
>>
>> ally
> I think that everyone's using them for the same reason - cost,
> effectiveness, durability and lack of maintenance. You can get them with a
> 'wood' frame and trim which never dries out, splinters, cracks or needs a
> coat of varnish. You'd need a small fortune to replace with wood windows
> of similar performance and practicality.
>
The trouble is, the frames are so broad they cut out a lot of light. These
old Cumbrian farmhouses can be pretty dark inside as it is, without making
it even worse with thick windowframes. Steve's thinking of making them from
scratch. Can't be that hard, can it?
ally
a l l y
>a l l y wrote:
>
>> I think you need to use an artist's brush, rather than a decorator's one.
>> And you need to surround the glass panes with masking tape before you
>> start - you can just slap the paint on, then.
>
> Yeahbut you must pull the tape off before the paint dries, certainly
> before the sun gets on it and dries the adhesive out. Tis a reet bugger to
> get off the glass once the sticky dries out and parts company with the
> tape, staying on the glass.
That's true. The first time I used masking tape I was very young and
inexperienced, and left it on for ages after I'd finished painting, as I was
completely fed up with decorating by that time. Eventually when I went to
remove it, it had gone all horrible and brittle and the hard gluey residue
had almost melded with the glass. I don't think I ever managed to get all of
it off. You learn by experience....<sigh>
ally
a l l y
windows are made, it must be a problem loads of people face. Isn't there
some super efficient Scandinvian gadget to make it easier?
ally
a l l y
What colour are you painting the sprosser, then?
ally
The Traveller
houses but with newer more modern houses you can buy loose (sprosser) and
screw them onto the woodwork, take them off when you clean the windows or
when you paint them. This house was built in 1985 and is a relative new
house so Orly can either have or have not sprosser. The people who built the
house had sprosser made for the windows but the people who came after
couldn't be bothered painting them, started the job so some are half green,
half dirty white. I aim to but that in order.
patience is a virtue.
Edith Paintbrush.
The Traveller
How come, Jp? +3degrees today. That is mild for this time of year. The
thermometer has being going up and down all winter. The windows are double
glazed, in some cases triple. They have wooden frames, a handle in the
middle to open them, a little thingie on the side to allow the window to be
rotated so I can clean both sides on the inside of the house. Standard
procedure. I have seen them popping up in Cumbria, even Keswick. Those attic
windows are as such.
Edith.
The Traveller
Orlando has toppsving same as me, Ron. Mine are a mixture of aliminium and
wood. I'll just looksee. Hard wood doesn't rot if you look after the
woodwork. It would take a hundred years to rot in cold weather. What happens
is the paint peels off sometime and you have to scrape and paint again.
Probably because the wood wasn't dried out/seasoned (?) before it was
painted.I'd say it's the damp rainy weather in Cumbria that is a constant
fight on woodwork. Nothing is nicer than woodwork but perhaps upvc is a more
sensible material, not so warm and not so nice to look at. I would use
tripple glass in upvc.
Some people here still build stone/slate windowsills. Others have their
woodwork covered with lead/aliminium (blekk)stuff.??
Edith.
http://216.119.116.124/windoornet/index.cfm?logo=nordan&menuid=1&forste=yes&
valg=enkel
The Traveller
The Traveller
Edith.
The Traveller
a l l y
I could be pedantic and point that white isn't really a colour.
But I won't.
ally
a l l y
we could get hold of some of these sprosser to fix across, rather than
trying to make a window with several panes. It would make the job easier for
him.
ally
Johnny
>
> Edith.
White is all colours of light mixed together. Not all colours of paint
mixed together though.
Johnny-science-guy
Johnny
> or do they make an 'arctic' version for really cold climes?
>
> Inqisitively
> Ron Everest
Seeing how Edith didn't answer your question directly, I can tell you the
cold in not what does them in. It's the sun. Regardless of the additives
they put in the pvc to make it tolerate the UV, it eventually does in the
plastics on the south side of the house where it gets direct sunlight. The
ones on the east and west last much longer and the ones on the north side
last forever. The upvc in the window frames on the south side of our 20-
year-old house is all brittle and breaking. The siding is holding up
(probably as it's much thicker) but has noticibly paled from it's original
colour.
It you have shade trees it might be a very good choice though.
There's aluminum-clad windows and fibreglas too these days as no-
maintenance options. But we have plastic-clad (white).
Johnny-who's-house-faces-north-in-Canada
Johnny
> maybe we could get hold of some of these sprosser to fix across,
> rather than trying to make a window with several panes. It would make
> the job easier for him.
>
> ally
It's much better to just add the details as superficial decorations and
have one large double-glazed, sealed, argon-filled pane.
Johnny-you-can-get-tinted-panes-too
a l l y
"Johnny" <Joh...@ominous.portent> wrote in message
news:45eee626$0$4812$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
You can keep the tinted ones. My car has tinted windows and if you take
photos through the glass, although your eyes have become accustomed to the
colour and don't notice it, the camera does, and everything has a green
cast. I like to see things as they are.
ally
The Traveller
> >> What colour are you painting the sprosser, then?
> >>
> >> ally
> >>
> > White. Best colour.
>
> I could be pedantic and point that white isn't really a colour.
>
> But I won't.
>
> ally
White is a quiet colour, a mild contrast against the green house, an
anonymous colour that doesn't affect the view the way other colour would do
and it looks nice and clean and gives me a broader choice of curtains.
Edith.
The Traveller
> >
> That's interesting. So if Steve manages to make windows from scratch,
maybe
> we could get hold of some of these sprosser to fix across, rather than
> trying to make a window with several panes. It would make the job easier
for
> him.
>
> ally
>
slide on hinges or hook on hinges. If you make them with 1" box wood, you
can even 'stifte' them together with a gun, like when you 'stifte' a notice
up on a notice board but no less in strength than what a strong wind would
demand, or just cross them.
Edith-getting Ally going.
The Traveller
"Johnny" <Joh...@ominous.portent> wrote in message
news:45eee626$0$4812$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
Mind you, the frame must be solid before you start putting new glass in
them.
Edith.
The Traveller
"Johnny" <Joh...@ominous.portent> wrote in message
I'm afraid this paint looks like chalk when it dries. Not for outside use
and extremely white white.
Edith.
The Traveller
"Johnny" <Joh...@ominous.portent> wrote in message
Thanks Johnny. I came across the answer in Norwegian but didn't have time to
go into details. Sorry Ron. Lost it and didn't have time to find it again.
Edith.
The Traveller
"Delivery Boy" <forDr.d...@homeonlydelivery.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dgi1jktyfv9d$.dlg@cumbria.for.ever...
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:58:55 +0100, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Ok! OUT with it. Who's pinched me screw driver? I'm busy painting
'sprosser'
> > and I need to remove a star screw.
> >
> > Puffingly, Edith Grumble.
>
> finished with it.
>
> DG
Ok DG. Yer a nice fellow. btw. Are you a fellow.?
Edith.
Ron(UK)
> Thanks Johnny. I came across the answer in Norwegian but didn't have time to
> go into details. Sorry Ron. Lost it and didn't have time to find it again.
>
> Edith.
>
That`s ok, I was only making polite conversation anyway.
Intercoursely
Ron O'DeToilet
The Traveller
¤(§80))))))))))))))))))))))
Edith.
Johnny
> take photos through the glass, although your eyes have become
> accustomed to the colour and don't notice it, the camera does, and
> everything has a green cast. I like to see things as they are.
>
> ally
Lazy woman! Get out of the car to take a photo!
I think the car tints are less sophisticated that the window tints. Our
sunroom has 'special' glass which increases it's energy efficiency but you
can't tell to look through it. I take photos all the time through it.
Johnny-special-glass
a l l y
that wasn't red... White paint is perfect on windows if the rest of the
house is a bright colour.
How would a green house (not a greenhouse) go down in my village, d'you
think? It certainly needs a coat of paint.
ally
a l l y
"Johnny" <Joh...@ominous.portent> wrote in message
>> You can keep the tinted ones. My car has tinted windows and if you
>> take photos through the glass, although your eyes have become
>> accustomed to the colour and don't notice it, the camera does, and
>> everything has a green cast. I like to see things as they are.
>>
>> ally
>
> Lazy woman! Get out of the car to take a photo!
What, while I'm driving? (I don't mean to say that I take photos while the
car is actually moving, but I have been known to pull over for a moment if
there's nothing behind me, take a quick shot through the window, and drive
off again before anything catches me up. Ah the delights of driving on quiet
rural roads!)
>
> I think the car tints are less sophisticated that the window tints. Our
> sunroom has 'special' glass which increases it's energy efficiency but you
> can't tell to look through it. I take photos all the time through it.
>
Hmm.. I'd want to take two photos of the same scene, one from inside and one
from outside, and compare the colour spectrum before I'd be convinced.
What do you mean by 'energy efficiency', in regard to glass, anyway? Our
conservatory gets far too hot in summer and too cold in winter: perfect
glass would keep it cooler in hot weather and retain what heat there was in
cold weather. Does your glass do this?
ally
a l l y
days it'll fall out if we don't renew the frames.
ally
a l l y
>>
> Yes. Good idea. Sprosser are made to fit the window. You can make them
> with
> slide on hinges or hook on hinges. If you make them with 1" box wood, you
> can even 'stifte' them together with a gun, like when you 'stifte' a
> notice
> up on a notice board but no less in strength than what a strong wind would
> demand, or just cross them.
>
> Edith-getting Ally going.
>
expect it to be strong enough to hold up me sprosser.
I like that word.
Sprosser.
Good name for a dog.
ally
The Traveller
>
> "The Traveller" <no-...@spam.no> wrote in message
> news:KL6dnZ-p_IJ...@telenor.com...
> >
> > "a l l y" <al...@situponDOGGIEseats.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:55814dF...@mid.individual.net...
> >> >> What colour are you painting the sprosser, then?
> >> >>
> >> >> ally
> >> >>
> >> > White. Best colour.
> >>
> >> I could be pedantic and point that white isn't really a colour.
> >>
> >> But I won't.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > White is a quiet colour, a mild contrast against the green house, an
> > anonymous colour that doesn't affect the view the way other colour would
> > do
> > and it looks nice and clean and gives me a broader choice of curtains.
> >
> I love the coloured houses in Norway. And I'm glad Orly managed to find
one
> that wasn't red... White paint is perfect on windows if the rest of the
> house is a bright colour.
The different coloured houses are corny aren't they. It's like being in
toyland or whatever those miniature villages are called. It's a tradition to
paint the barns red, redish brown. Every farm has one or several, yet they
usually paint the 'hoved byggning,* the house/houses, white.
>
> How would a green house (not a greenhouse) go down in my village, d'you
> think? It certainly needs a coat of paint.
>
> ally
>
I don't know. I like the green colour on Orly's house very much. It's a cool
relaxing green so it should go down well anywhere. However, I adore the
stone buildings of Cumbria - not red building bricks - and if your house has
any stone/slate/sandstone, I'd have it brushed clean or whatever they do to
old buildings and scrape and paint the woodwork. Blimey! Have yuh cuum intuh
money?
Edith.
The Traveller
all the salt in the air I wouldn't use wood. Make it a job that you don't
have to repeat time and time again.I noticed your conservatory needed some
TLC. It's the finest feature in the building so I'd put all my pennies into
it and wait until later to fix other things. It looked like it could be a
very expensive project.
Edith.
The Traveller
shaky and would probably have to be reknewed with a stronger frame to hold
the weight of new windows.
Edith.
The Traveller
were in. Time for bed. Come on now Sprosser. Come on. Where's that bluudy
dog? SPROSSER!!!!!!There he is. Wham! Git yer bluudy backside in 'ere before
I kick the living day lights out uv yuh!
Stifte/Staples. That's right. Sprosser are only thin wooden things. Being
where you are situated, I'd use them on the inside same as moi, so they
won't get weather warn.
Edith-Intrerior designer.-Must go start on another..uuuuuurgh, caw blimey.
a l l y
>> I love the coloured houses in Norway. And I'm glad Orly managed to find
> one
>> that wasn't red... White paint is perfect on windows if the rest of the
>> house is a bright colour.
>
> The different coloured houses are corny aren't they. It's like being in
> toyland or whatever those miniature villages are called. It's a tradition
> to
> paint the barns red, redish brown. Every farm has one or several, yet they
> usually paint the 'hoved byggning,* the house/houses, white.
>>
>> How would a green house (not a greenhouse) go down in my village, d'you
>> think? It certainly needs a coat of paint.
>>
>> ally
>>
> I don't know. I like the green colour on Orly's house very much. It's a
> cool
> relaxing green so it should go down well anywhere. However, I adore the
> stone buildings of Cumbria - not red building bricks - and if your house
> has
> any stone/slate/sandstone, I'd have it brushed clean or whatever they do
> to
> old buildings and scrape and paint the woodwork. Blimey! Have yuh cuum
> intuh
> money?
>
could afford it. At the moment my finances might stretch to the purchase of
a cold chisel to hack off the loose rendering that's stuck on the stonework.
Most of these old houses seem to be covered with render which is then
painted: the tradition seems to be white, but lots of people paint them
quite bright colours nowadays. In this part of the village there are a
couple painted terra cotta, one very dark green, one or two pale blue, some
yellow, and so on. I'd like a colour that stood out so that we could tell
our customers, "It's the green (or whatever) house at the end of the slip
road". It would help them not to get lost. Then again, leaving the stonework
bare might be better, depending on its condition, which we won't know until
we scrape off the render.
ally
a l l y
>>
> With the winds coming in off the Solway, you'll need double glazing and
> with
> all the salt in the air I wouldn't use wood. Make it a job that you don't
> have to repeat time and time again.I noticed your conservatory needed some
> TLC. It's the finest feature in the building so I'd put all my pennies
> into
> it and wait until later to fix other things. It looked like it could be a
> very expensive project.
>
high winds. It really needs demolishing and rebuilding, but I wouldn't want
one of those PVC affairs that all look the same.
ally
a l l y
>> >
>> Yes, it's our frames that are rotting. The glass is fine, but one of
>> these
>> days it'll fall out if we don't renew the frames.
>>
>> ally
>>
> Excuse me for saying so but I did notice that the frame work was pretty
> shaky and would probably have to be reknewed with a stronger frame to hold
> the weight of new windows.
>
ally
The Traveller
> No money, that's the only problem. I know what I'd do with the house if I
> could afford it. At the moment my finances might stretch to the purchase
of
> a cold chisel to hack off the loose rendering that's stuck on the
stonework.
> Most of these old houses seem to be covered with render which is then
> painted: the tradition seems to be white, but lots of people paint them
> quite bright colours nowadays. In this part of the village there are a
> couple painted terra cotta, one very dark green, one or two pale blue,
some
> yellow, and so on. I'd like a colour that stood out so that we could tell
> our customers, "It's the green (or whatever) house at the end of the slip
> road". It would help them not to get lost. Then again, leaving the
stonework
> bare might be better, depending on its condition, which we won't know
until
> we scrape off the render.
>
> ally
>
a grant. I would try. You could paint the outer wall of the garden toward
the street to look like different coloured building bricks. That would show
your customers where you were.
Edith.
The Traveller
sprosser.
Edith.
The Traveller
I had an old house for 24 years and had to keep it in order. Talk about
expenses. Wow.
Edith Empty-Purse.
a l l y
>>
> That render stuff sounds awful. How old is your building.? Can you apply
> for
> a grant. I would try. You could paint the outer wall of the garden toward
> the street to look like different coloured building bricks. That would
> show
> your customers where you were.
>
bathroom you can get a grant to install one, or you can get one to insulate
your loft, but not to stop the water seeping through the walls
unfortunately.
The house is probably 18th century though there are some stones incorporated
in it that are earlier: there's a lintel outside dated 16-something, but I
think it's from a previous version of the house that was demolished and
rebuilt in the 18th century. (It was known as "The Great Rebuilding",
apparently: loads of old Cumbrian farmhouses went through the same process,
and there are lots that look very like ours, both from outside and in the
room layout.)
ally
Johnny
> the car is actually moving, but I have been known to pull over for a
> moment if there's nothing behind me, take a quick shot through the
> window, and drive off again before anything catches me up. Ah the
> delights of driving on quiet rural roads!)
I do both. I took all sorts of photos of the Green Mountains whilst
driving 120kph on a trip back from Boston a few years ago. It's harder
than you think to get a good photo at speed! And I got a few more at
speed last year in Nova Scotia. And I pull over to take photos too. I
usually lower the window as the reflections are pretty bad when you shoot
through the glass.
> Hmm.. I'd want to take two photos of the same scene, one from inside
> and one from outside, and compare the colour spectrum before I'd be
> convinced.
>
> What do you mean by 'energy efficiency', in regard to glass, anyway?
> Our conservatory gets far too hot in summer and too cold in winter:
> perfect glass would keep it cooler in hot weather and retain what heat
> there was in cold weather. Does your glass do this?
>
> ally
You need the good glass!
Our sunroom comes with this expensive special glass which is coated to
reflect heat and 90% of UV but let in visible light so plants grow
indoors and people get the impression they are getting lots of nice sun.
Regular double glazing has an R value of R0.9. Low-E glass has R2.0, Low-
E with Argon is R2.9 and this special sunroom glass is R4.0. So it
reduces heat loss by 4 times over regular glass, and twice over Low-E.
And it protects carpets and fabrics on furniture from fading better than
regular glass. And it cuts down on condesation by deliberately letting
the inner glass surface get warm. It's expensive though.
There's some similar explanations of the stuff on this web page. It's
called 'Conserviglass'.
http://www.fourseasons-ca.com/faqs.html
My wife loves our sunroom. It's her favourite room in the house. Even
when it's -20C outdoors! (We run a small heater out there at those
temperatures I have to admit)
Johnny-will-send-you-a-couple-of-photos-of-it
The Traveller
get some kind of pocket full to keep their buildings in order? Like I said
once, the whole of Cumbria should be under The National Trust then maybe
lesser few building would be, not demolished but helped up to standard
again.
Edith.
Jpinny
> "Jpinny" <jpi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qpyHh.90$nm6...@newsfe12.lga...
>> a l l y wrote:
>>> "Jpinny" <jpi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4%jHh.35$yC6...@newsfe12.lga...
>>>> The Traveller wrote:
>>>>> Ok! OUT with it. Who's pinched me screw driver? I'm busy painting
>>>>> 'sprosser'
>>>>> and I need to remove a star screw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Puffingly, Edith Grumble.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is or are sprosser?
>>>>
>>> Aparetnly they are the crossbars on windows. Don't know why she has to
>>> unscrew them to paint them, though.
>>>
>>> We need new windows. We don't want those horrible plastic units that
>>> everybody's using these days, but we're not exactly well-off.... where
> can
>>> we get proper wooden sash windows? Any ideas? Without breaking the
> bank....
>>> ally
>>>
>>>
>> I think that everyone's using them for the same reason - cost,
>> effectiveness, durability and lack of maintenance. You can get them with
>> a 'wood' frame and trim which never dries out, splinters, cracks or
>> needs a coat of varnish. You'd need a small fortune to replace with wood
>> windows of similar performance and practicality.
>>
>> It must be mild out there in Norway.
>>
>> Jp
>
> How come, Jp? +3degrees today. That is mild for this time of year.
Very mild, and mild for here, too. I was thinking that you wouldn't be
painting anything on your windows if it was very cold.
I remember a few years back, when we replaced our windows in our home in
Aberdeen in March. Of course, on the day they came to do the work we
actually got snow flurries!
The
> thermometer has being going up and down all winter. The windows are double
> glazed, in some cases triple. They have wooden frames, a handle in the
> middle to open them, a little thingie on the side to allow the window to be
> rotated so I can clean both sides on the inside of the house. Standard
> procedure. I have seen them popping up in Cumbria, even Keswick. Those attic
> windows are as such.
I know the sort. I had velux windows put into my attic in Holland. I
have doulble-glazed sash windows here, and they have two little catches
which allow me to pull in the lower panel flat, to clean the outer
glass, then pull down the upper panel and pull it back so that I can
clean the outside of that. Then I return it to the upright position,
slide it back into place, then pull up the bottom panel and secure the
window again. We also have bug screens incorporated into the windows.
These are really ugly but necessary to keep bugs, squirrels and birds
outside. Nobody actually opens windows to cool down in summer, since it
simply lets the hot, humid air in the house and defeats the purpose of
the AC.
Jp
Jpinny
>>
> I think you need to use an artist's brush, rather than a decorator's one.
> And you need to surround the glass panes with masking tape before you
> start - you can just slap the paint on, then.
>
> ally-also-hates-painting-windows
>
>
Our first home when we were married had lots of sprossers. They were
metal and draughty. And took ages to paint, but I used masking tape too.
Jp