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Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

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Mentalguy2k8

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Nov 9, 2012, 4:17:45 PM11/9/12
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Bit of a dilemma for the criminal-apologists and prison reformers in the
group... His conditions are "inhumane" yet he's a neo-Nazi mass murderer...




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20270325

The Norwegian convicted of the massacre of 77 people last year has said he
is being held in "inhumane" conditions.

Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his
coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he
is not allowed moisturiser.

Breivik is serving a minimum 21-year sentence for the bombings and shootings
in Oslo and Utoeya island last July.

The Norwegian authorities have not commented on the letter.

However his lawyer has confirmed that the details of the 27-page document
leaked to Norway's VG newspaper are authentic.

Breivik is being held in almost complete isolation - 23 hours a day, he
says - at Ila prison outside Oslo.

His cell includes three sections, one to sleep, one for study and a third
for exercise - each measuring 8 sq m (86 sq ft).

In the letter, he complains that the cell is poorly decorated and has no
view.

"I highly doubt that there are worse detention facilities in Norway," he
writes.

Among his other complaints are:

the handcuffs he wears when being moved around the prison "are too sharp and
"cut in his wrist"
the cell is too cold, forcing him to wear three layers of clothes
he has to rush his morning shave and brushing of teeth
light and television switches are outside the cell, so he has to ask for
help to change channel or sleep.
Ila is an all-male institution which "houses some of the country's most
dangerous men", its website says.

However it differs markedly from other maximum security jails in western
Europe. The staff is a half-and-half mix of men and women and none are
armed.

Breivik massacred 77 people, most of them teenagers at a youth camp run by
Norway's governing Labour Party.

His 21-year sentence can be indefinitely extended for as long as he is
considered a danger to society.


Turk182

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Nov 9, 2012, 4:20:32 PM11/9/12
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The only problem is that his parents should be in prison with him!

Turk182

Mentalguy2k8

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Nov 9, 2012, 4:39:12 PM11/9/12
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"Turk182" <digital...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Instead of him, surely? It's not his fault.

Steerpike

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Nov 9, 2012, 4:40:50 PM11/9/12
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> Breivik massacred 77 people, most of them teenagers at a youth camp run by
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> Norway's governing Labour Party.
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> His 21-year sentence can be indefinitely extended for as long as he is
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> considered a danger to society.

His conditions sound very good compared to those in Gitmo, where torture is also on the menu, and where perhaps 75% of prisoners are innocent of nay crime.

Mentalguy2k8

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Nov 9, 2012, 4:48:55 PM11/9/12
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"Steerpike" <gloomy....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So he should be denied his basic rights because he's relatively better off
than some other prisoners?

peterwn

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Nov 9, 2012, 5:14:18 PM11/9/12
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On Nov 10, 10:49 am, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> So he should be denied his basic rights because he's relatively better off
> than some other prisoners?
What are a prisoner's basic rights? Some would say there are none. Not
enough butter for bread? A prisoner In New Zealand (killed a jeweller
when robbing his shop - life imprisonment - let out on parole -
frequently recalled) complained that only one slice in a sandwich is
buttered. Minister of Justice - 'if you do nnot like the food then
stay out' - he did not take the point and breached parole yet again.

Ander's cell suite seems positively luxurious for a maximum security
prison. He would have more to moan about if he was in one of Joe
Arpaio's prisons.

Percy Picacity

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Nov 9, 2012, 5:35:54 PM11/9/12
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If he was in one of Joe Arpaio's prisons he could not expect humane
conditions. So what's that got do with someone in prison in a
civilised country?

Having said that, Breivik's claims don't sound very convincing. But I
am sure they will be examined very fairly by the authorities and
replied to.

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Percy Picacity

Cassandra

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:00:49 AM11/10/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:17:45 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bit of a dilemma for the criminal-apologists and prison reformers in the
>group... His conditions are "inhumane" yet he's a neo-Nazi mass murderer...
>
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>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20270325
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>The Norwegian convicted of the massacre of 77 people last year has said he
>is being held in "inhumane" conditions.
>
On the plus side he doesn't have to share a cell with the thousands of
third world scum now clogging up the Norwegian prison system

GB

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Nov 10, 2012, 8:35:18 AM11/10/12
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On 09/11/2012 22:35, Percy Picacity wrote:

> If he was in one of Joe Arpaio's prisons he could not expect humane
> conditions. So what's that got do with someone in prison in a
> civilised country?
>
> Having said that, Breivik's claims don't sound very convincing. But I
> am sure they will be examined very fairly by the authorities and replied
> to.
>

I can understand that he has time on his hands, but he managed to fill
27 pages with his footling complaints. I can't say that I have much
sympathy. As you say, he'll be fairly treated, as he is indeed in a
civilised country.


Cynic

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Nov 12, 2012, 8:48:51 AM11/12/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:48:55 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:

>So he should be denied his basic rights because he's relatively better off
>than some other prisoners?

Which "basic rights" do you consider he is being deprived? His
isolation is, IMO, the worst deprivation, but I suspect that is
necessary for his own protection.

I am the first person to use the argument that a person is imprisoned
*as* punishmnet rather than *for* punishment, but given this
individual's crimes, even I find it impossible to work up any sympathy
about the the hardships he describes.

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Cynic

Unknown

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Nov 13, 2012, 6:30:16 PM11/13/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:35:18 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
Perhaps the staff will do a Fred West on him and shut him up for good
?
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