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Jacob Von Hogflume

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Nov 9, 2012, 12:55:52 PM11/9/12

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McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111

GB

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Nov 9, 2012, 1:49:12 PM11/9/12

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On 09/11/2012 17:55, Jacob Von Hogflume wrote:
> McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111

I certainly hope he wins.

tim.....

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:17:33 PM11/10/12

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"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I don't see how he possibly can.

No-one at the BBC claimed that he was the person they were referring to,

and it certainly wasn't common knowledge that it was he was the one.

Other people made that link, and if he wants to sue anyone it has to be
them,

But I don't hold out much hope of him identifying them

tim

Alex Heney

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:23:38 PM11/10/12

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Why on earth would he lose?

He appears to have a cast iron case.

There is little chance it will go to court, but will instead be
settled by quite a large out of court payment (probably to a charity
of his choice).
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Alex Heney

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:25:37 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:17:33 -0000, "tim....."
<tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:509d502e$0$1147$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>> On 09/11/2012 17:55, Jacob Von Hogflume wrote:
>>> McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111
>>
>>
>> I certainly hope he wins.
>
>I don't see how he possibly can.

Very easily.

>
>No-one at the BBC claimed that he was the person they were referring to,
>

There was sufficient information to make it clear.

>and it certainly wasn't common knowledge that it was he was the one.
>
>Other people made that link, and if he wants to sue anyone it has to be
>them,
>

No it doesn't.

They are the ones who show that there *was* sufficient information in
what Newsnight said.

>But I don't hold out much hope of him identifying them
>

He won't need to.

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tim.....

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Nov 12, 2012, 7:15:33 AM11/12/12

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"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:17:33 -0000, "tim....."
> <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:509d502e$0$1147$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> On 09/11/2012 17:55, Jacob Von Hogflume wrote:
>>>> McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111
>>>
>>>
>>> I certainly hope he wins.
>>
>>I don't see how he possibly can.
>
> Very easily.
>
>>
>>No-one at the BBC claimed that he was the person they were referring to,
>>
>
> There was sufficient information to make it clear.

Really,

I had absolutely no idea from the information reported afterwards (I didn't
see the actual report so maybe there was some extra stuff)

tim

Alex Heney

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Nov 12, 2012, 5:08:19 PM11/12/12

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:15:33 -0000, "tim....."

<tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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>"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:ovkt98ldp6qqc5qjt...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:17:33 -0000, "tim....."
>> <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>news:509d502e$0$1147$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> On 09/11/2012 17:55, Jacob Von Hogflume wrote:
>>>>> McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I certainly hope he wins.
>>>
>>>I don't see how he possibly can.
>>
>> Very easily.
>>
>>>
>>>No-one at the BBC claimed that he was the person they were referring to,
>>>
>>
>> There was sufficient information to make it clear.
>
>Really,
>
>I had absolutely no idea from the information reported afterwards (I didn't
>see the actual report so maybe there was some extra stuff)
>

And?

Whether any specific individual knew ort not is irrelevant.

If there was sufficient information to enable a number of people to
identify him, and at least some of those people would be likely to
think less of him as a result, that is enough for libel purposes.

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tim.....

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Nov 12, 2012, 7:34:04 PM11/12/12

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"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:15:33 -0000, "tim....."
> <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:ovkt98ldp6qqc5qjt...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:17:33 -0000, "tim....."
>>> <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:509d502e$0$1147$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>>> On 09/11/2012 17:55, Jacob Von Hogflume wrote:
>>>>>> McAlpine to take legal action. Bet he loses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20274111
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly hope he wins.
>>>>
>>>>I don't see how he possibly can.
>>>
>>> Very easily.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>No-one at the BBC claimed that he was the person they were referring to,
>>>>
>>>
>>> There was sufficient information to make it clear.
>>
>>Really,
>>
>>I had absolutely no idea from the information reported afterwards (I
>>didn't
>>see the actual report so maybe there was some extra stuff)
>>
>
> And?
>
> Whether any specific individual knew ort not is irrelevant.
>
> If there was sufficient information to enable a number of people to
> identify him,

This is the point I am disputing. All that seems to have been said is is
that it was someone from the Thatcher era.

How is that enough to identify any individual?

Just because someone might guess right doesn't make it enough.

> and at least some of those people would be likely to
> think less of him as a result, that is enough for libel purposes.

That part is not in dispute

Alex Heney

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Nov 13, 2012, 4:29:18 PM11/13/12

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:34:04 -0000, "tim....."

I haven't watched the programme (and wouldn't), so I don't know
exactly what was said, but it is clear it was somewhat more than that.

>How is that enough to identify any individual?
>
>Just because someone might guess right doesn't make it enough.
>

It wasn't guessed right.

>> and at least some of those people would be likely to
>> think less of him as a result, that is enough for libel purposes.
>
>That part is not in dispute
>
>

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