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Alex Heney  
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 More options Nov 13 2012, 5:13 pm
Newsgroups: uk.legal
From: Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:13:21 +0000
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: Libel? (ctd from ulm)
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:26:03 +0000, The Todal <deadmail...@beeb.net>
wrote:

>On 13/11/12 14:20, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> posted
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:25:02 +0000, Big Les Wade <L...@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> IOW I was referring to what the child protection lobby has been stating
>>>> in public. And I can produce plenty of examples to show that they said
>>>> that allegations of abuse must be believed without question, as I am
>>>> sure you can too.

>>> I certainly can't.

>>> I have never seen any such statement by anybody in a position of
>>> influence or authority.

>> A quick google search on words like "disclosure", "always believe" etc
>> yields many documents like the following.

>> http://dedworthmiddle.co.uk/Websites/dedworth/files/Content/985009/Ch... 20Protection%20Policy.doc

>> http://www.bridgend.gov.uk/web/groups/public/documents/policy/016362....

>That's a good start, but can you quote any text which implies that
>allegations of abuse must be believed without question?

The second of those links does have the text:
=======================================
9. DISCLOSURE
The Directorate places great emphasis on effective communication
between staff and children/young people and their parents/carers.
However staff must recognise that where there are child protection
concerns they must deal very differently with both the child or young
person and their parents/carers. If someone discloses that they or
another young person has been, or is being, abused, staff should:

• Always believe what the child is saying or conversely try not to
show disbelief. Show that you have heard what they are saying, and
that their allegations will be taken seriously.
=======================================

Now personally, I would read that slightly differently to how Les is
reading it, but then I don't have his agenda.

And taken in isolation, it certainly doers say exactly "Always believe
what the child is saying".

I think the second part of that sentence is just as important and
actually makes the first part more meaningful.

The first link can't actually be made to work directly, but you can
get to the document by going here:
http://dedworthmiddle.co.uk/policies
and then clicking on the child protection policy link.

And that has the following text (in appendix 2)

===============================================
ALL STAFF must be aware of the procedures regarding child abuse. If
any pupil makes a disclosure to a member of staff they should:-

Listen – always believe what the child has to say.
===============================================

This one does not have any further qualifiers on it :(
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Faith is good, but scepticism is better. - Giuseppe Verdi
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