i have recieved a letter form a firm called davenport lyons saying i have downloaded a file called colin mcrae dirt xbox 360 and they want me to pay £511 to them , having checked my computer and to my knowledge i have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my computer.
they have stated they have contacted my isp which is BT and they have gave them my personal details which i find it hard to believe!
not sure what to do they want a response in 14 days and they want me to sign saying i did it and wont do it again.
Write to them, tell them you have not downloaded the file and that their allegations are denied. Request proof of their allegations. You are of course one of many hundreds who have received such a letter.
> i have recieved a letter form a firm called davenport lyons saying i > have downloaded a file called colin mcrae dirt xbox 360 and they want > me to pay £511 to them , having checked my computer and to my > knowledge i have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my > computer.
Do you even own an ex-box 360? Do you have a wireless connection that someone else could be using? Do you live with anyone else that could have been using file sharing software? They won't have just picked your name from the phone book , so they clearly think they have evidence of you downloading copyright material
> > i have recieved a letter form a firm called davenport lyons saying i > > have downloaded a file called colin mcrae dirt xbox 360 and they want > > me to pay £511 to them , having checked my computer and to my > > knowledge i have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my > > computer.
> Do you even own an ex-box 360? > Do you have a wireless connection that someone else could be using? > Do you live with anyone else that could have been using file sharing > software? > They won't have just picked your name from the phone book , so they clearly > think they have evidence of you downloading copyright material
> -- > Alex
> New laptop - Sig missing
hi dont have an xbox but did have a wireless connection at that time, also had a lodger
> hi dont have an xbox but did have a wireless connection at that time, > also had a lodger
I think that's your answer then.
"I have no knowledge of downloading the file you speak of. At the time you mentioned I did have a lodger who had access to my internet connection who could conceivably have done this. I do/do not have contact details for him"
>i have recieved a letter form a firm called davenport lyons saying i >have downloaded a file called colin mcrae dirt xbox 360 and they want >me to pay £511 to them , having checked my computer and to my >knowledge i have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my >computer.
>they have stated they have contacted my isp which is BT and they have >gave them my personal details which i find it hard to believe!
Not really.
>not sure what to do they want a response in 14 days and they want me >to sign saying i did it and wont do it again.
Davenport Lyons have been milking this cow for some time. It was the subject of a long thread on this NG earlier this year, called "Letter of claim - p2p", and is discussed on many web sites.
Essentially, as Todal says, don't give them anything, deny what they claim, and demand proof. Tell them you will not answer any further letters until you get it.
> > hi dont have an xbox but did have a wireless connection at that time, > > also had a lodger
> I think that's your answer then.
> "I have no knowledge of downloading the file you speak of. At the time you > mentioned I did have a lodger who had access to my internet connection who > could conceivably have done this. I do/do not have contact details for him"
> > > hi dont have an xbox but did have a wireless connection at that time, > > > also had a lodger
> > I think that's your answer then.
> > "I have no knowledge of downloading the file you speak of. At the time you > > mentioned I did have a lodger who had access to my internet connection who > > could conceivably have done this. I do/do not have contact details for him"
> > -- > > Alex
> > New laptop - Sig missing
> what if you was guilty of it?
there is a part in the letter stating about 5 different ip addresses and times for the colin mcrae file.
> i have recieved a letter form a firm called davenport lyons saying i > have downloaded a file called colin mcrae dirt xbox 360 and they want > me to pay £511 to them , having checked my computer and to my > knowledge i have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my > computer.
> they have stated they have contacted my isp which is BT and they have > gave them my personal details which i find it hard to believe!
> not sure what to do they want a response in 14 days and they want me > to sign saying i did it and wont do it again.
> any help would be appreciated very much
Those were the lot trying it on about a year ago with a pinball game that noone had ever heard of or tried.
I don't recall anyone posting after the threats went out regarding court cases so presumably they dropped the cases.
> On 22 Nov, 17:57, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> mabboman (mabbo...@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying:
>> > are there more of us with these letters?
>> Did you read the post you replied to?
>> >> You are of course one of many hundreds who have received such a >> >> letter.
> anyone have any idea on how to write a good letter to them??
I think they might go away if you write in bright green crayon.
> > On 22 Nov, 17:57, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> mabboman (mabbo...@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like > >> they were saying:
> >> > are there more of us with these letters?
> >> Did you read the post you replied to?
> >> >> You are of course one of many hundreds who have received such a > >> >> letter.
> > anyone have any idea on how to write a good letter to them??
> I think they might go away if you write in bright green crayon.
i will proceed to write them a letter then hopefully they drop it
In article <4c17ec20-8dfe-46ef-a629-ab2c6d80e...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, mabbo...@btinternet.com writes
>On 22 Nov, 17:57, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> mabboman (mabbo...@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying:
>> > are there more of us with these letters?
>> Did you read the post you replied to?
>> >> You are of course one of many hundreds who have received such a >> >> letter.
>anyone have any idea on how to write a good letter to them??
Yes, make no reply whatsoever, they will waste their time on the mugs that do respond and will assume that those who respond have something to hide. If your failure to refute their claim is made issue of in proceedings then state that you having never attempted to download such a program and you assumed the contact was some kind of scam, which it is.
Expect a few attempts before they lose interest but ignore them all, including any that unlawfully threaten debt collection. -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla
> In article > <4c17ec20-8dfe-46ef-a629-ab2c6d80e...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > mabbo...@btinternet.com writes
> >On 22 Nov, 17:57, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> mabboman (mabbo...@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like > >> they were saying:
> >> > are there more of us with these letters?
> >> Did you read the post you replied to?
> >> >> You are of course one of many hundreds who have received such a > >> >> letter.
> >anyone have any idea on how to write a good letter to them??
> Yes, make no reply whatsoever, they will waste their time on the mugs > that do respond and will assume that those who respond have something to > hide. If your failure to refute their claim is made issue of in > proceedings then state that you having never attempted to download such > a program and you assumed the contact was some kind of scam, which it > is.
> Expect a few attempts before they lose interest but ignore them all, > including any that unlawfully threaten debt collection. > -- > fred > Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla
hi fred they reckon they have proof.. They have sent me 5 letters all about the same download but under different ip addresses?
>On 22 Nov, 19:16, fred <n...@for.mail> wrote: >> In article >> <4c17ec20-8dfe-46ef-a629-ab2c6d80e...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >> mabbo...@btinternet.com writes
>> Yes, make no reply whatsoever, they will waste their time on the mugs >> that do respond and will assume that those who respond have something to >> hide. If your failure to refute their claim is made issue of in >> proceedings then state that you having never attempted to download such >> a program and you assumed the contact was some kind of scam, which it >> is.
>> Expect a few attempts before they lose interest but ignore them all, >> including any that unlawfully threaten debt collection.
>hi fred they reckon they have proof.. >They have sent me 5 letters all about the same download but under >different ip addresses?
All automated I bet, there is not a person at the end of these letters. If they make a claim (which is unlikely) by all means defend that claim but until then let them blow, and blow, and blow. You don't like in a straw house do you :-? Replying to their claims just adds (automated) fuel to their fire.
Let them prove their case. -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla
> In article > <d523f9b8-592c-441e-a68d-db2704b8d...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > mabbo...@btinternet.com writes
> >On 22 Nov, 19:16, fred <n...@for.mail> wrote: > >> In article > >> <4c17ec20-8dfe-46ef-a629-ab2c6d80e...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > >> mabbo...@btinternet.com writes
> >> Yes, make no reply whatsoever, they will waste their time on the mugs > >> that do respond and will assume that those who respond have something to > >> hide. If your failure to refute their claim is made issue of in > >> proceedings then state that you having never attempted to download such > >> a program and you assumed the contact was some kind of scam, which it > >> is.
> >> Expect a few attempts before they lose interest but ignore them all, > >> including any that unlawfully threaten debt collection.
> >hi fred they reckon they have proof.. > >They have sent me 5 letters all about the same download but under > >different ip addresses?
> All automated I bet, there is not a person at the end of these letters. > If they make a claim (which is unlikely) by all means defend that claim > but until then let them blow, and blow, and blow. You don't like in a > straw house do you :-? Replying to their claims just adds (automated) > fuel to their fire.
> Let them prove their case. > -- > fred > Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla
thanks for the help fred.
do you no of any people who had been took to court? do you think they are totaly making it up and the makers of the game have not been in touch with them, if thats a yes then maybe they are behind the whole download!!
i was going to ask them to prove it by saying this..
1. Please provide a full and unedited copy of the "forensic computer analysts report" to which you refer identifying my IP address as alleged.
2.A full and unedited copy of the documents that make up the "compelling" evidence to which you refer. This should include a. Proof that my IP address was used to download/upload the "game" on the day/time identified.
3. Proof that the "game" was downloaded to my computer hard drive as alleged.
4. Proof that the "game" was also uploaded from my computer hard drive as alleged.
5.Please provide a copy of the application to the High Court that gave rise to the Order referred to
6. A copy of the court Order sent to (your ISP)
7. A copy of the letter sent to (your ISP) requesting release of information.
8. A copy of the reply from (your ISP) confirming my personal details.
9. A copy of the invoice raised by (your ISP) for £47.62 (this was my charge) for release of such information.
Also add the following statement:
Accordingly, I expect a full and detailed breakdown of the sum claimed including confirmation as to how much of the sum is damages and how much is your costs. As you are also aware I am entitled to a breakdown in relation to any costs claimed as profit costs, VAT, and disbursements
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