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Cub Reporter
Oct 22, 2012, 6:23:45 AM10/22/12
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We'll stick GPS tags on paedos
Justice supremo's pledge as The Sun's Justice Campaigners launch fight
for victims' rights
By Graeme Wilson, Deputy Political Editor
The Sun, UK: 22 October 2012
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4602180/Well-stick-GPS-tags-on-paedos.html
[ http://tinyurl.com/97nmtut ]
A RAFT of measures were promised by Justice Secretary Chris Grayling
yesterday after The Sun launched a campaign to help victims of
paedophiles.
He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags following
their release.
Using the same technology as car sat navs, they will show cops exactly
where a paedophile is. Mr Grayling, writing for The Sun below, also
said children will no longer be "ignored" if they ask for help after
attacks.
[...]
"I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
Justice supremo's pledge as The Sun's Justice Campaigners launch fight
for victims' rights
By Graeme Wilson, Deputy Political Editor
The Sun, UK: 22 October 2012
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4602180/Well-stick-GPS-tags-on-paedos.html
[ http://tinyurl.com/97nmtut ]
A RAFT of measures were promised by Justice Secretary Chris Grayling
yesterday after The Sun launched a campaign to help victims of
paedophiles.
He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags following
their release.
Using the same technology as car sat navs, they will show cops exactly
where a paedophile is. Mr Grayling, writing for The Sun below, also
said children will no longer be "ignored" if they ask for help after
attacks.
[...]
"I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
Nigel Oldfield
Oct 22, 2012, 7:47:38 AM10/22/12
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On 22/10/2012 11:23, Cub Reporter wrote:
>
> "I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
No shit.
>
> "I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
Silly, little, men.
WM
Cynic
Oct 23, 2012, 9:20:10 AM10/23/12
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:23:45 +0100, Cub Reporter <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
>He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags following
>their release.
>Using the same technology as car sat navs, they will show cops exactly
>where a paedophile is.
No, it won't. At least not if the tagged person doesn't want the
police to know. For that reason it is more likely to give the
authorities a false sense of security.
GPS will not work indoors. Thus the police will expect to have
frequent "no fix" indications from the GPS, which will assure them
that the person is inside a property near the location of the last
fix. The tagged person can then simply wrap some aluminium foil
around the tag, or cover it with some leather leggings or similar, and
it will continue to give "no fix" whilst he leaves the premises and
goes elsewhere.
A GPS unit strapped to an ankle is in any case quite likely to fail to
get a fix from inside a car, so a person could drive from home to an
enclosed car park in a shopping center and back without the GPS
recording any movement.
>Mr Grayling, writing for The Sun below, also
>said children will no longer be "ignored" if they ask for help after
>attacks.
I was unaware that children *were* being ignored (by the authorities)
if they asked for help following an attack. Does anyone know of an
incident where that happened?
--
Cynic
wrote:
>He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags following
>their release.
>Using the same technology as car sat navs, they will show cops exactly
>where a paedophile is.
police to know. For that reason it is more likely to give the
authorities a false sense of security.
GPS will not work indoors. Thus the police will expect to have
frequent "no fix" indications from the GPS, which will assure them
that the person is inside a property near the location of the last
fix. The tagged person can then simply wrap some aluminium foil
around the tag, or cover it with some leather leggings or similar, and
it will continue to give "no fix" whilst he leaves the premises and
goes elsewhere.
A GPS unit strapped to an ankle is in any case quite likely to fail to
get a fix from inside a car, so a person could drive from home to an
enclosed car park in a shopping center and back without the GPS
recording any movement.
>Mr Grayling, writing for The Sun below, also
>said children will no longer be "ignored" if they ask for help after
>attacks.
if they asked for help following an attack. Does anyone know of an
incident where that happened?
--
Cynic
Paul Cummins
Oct 23, 2012, 9:25:00 AM10/23/12
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We were about to embark at Dover, when m...@privacy.net (Cub Reporter) came
up to me and whispered:
> He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags
> following
> their release.
That will require a significant change in the law. Not least of which
will be a definition of "child" as well as "child offence".
Under the current literal meaning, it means a minor who serves time in a
YOI for assaulting another minor could be tagged. I'm sure that's not
what they are suggesting.
It's also not going to be retrospective.
--
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up to me and whispered:
> He said child offenders will be forced to wear GPS tags
> following
> their release.
will be a definition of "child" as well as "child offence".
Under the current literal meaning, it means a minor who serves time in a
YOI for assaulting another minor could be tagged. I'm sure that's not
what they are suggesting.
It's also not going to be retrospective.
--
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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
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allantracy
Oct 23, 2012, 9:28:56 AM10/23/12
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>
> "I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
For as long as the SUN delivers up millions of (paying) readers the
> "I welcome The Sun's campaign," says Chris Grayling.
politicians are bound to listen.
Paul Cummins
Oct 23, 2012, 9:53:00 AM10/23/12
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We were about to embark at Dover, when allanb...@ireland.com
(allantracy) came up to me and whispered:
> For as long as the SUN delivers up millions of (paying) readers
Did you misspell (mindless) voters ?
(allantracy) came up to me and whispered:
> For as long as the SUN delivers up millions of (paying) readers
allantracy
Oct 23, 2012, 10:23:29 AM10/23/12
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>
> > For as long as the SUN delivers up millions of (paying) readers
>
> Did you misspell (mindless) voters ?
>
The SUN is mostly read by Labour voters and mostly read by women.
> > For as long as the SUN delivers up millions of (paying) readers
>
> Did you misspell (mindless) voters ?
>
The concept that the SUN has ever engineered a Labour defeat, when
they can do it so well on their own, is laughable.
The idea that Labour lost the last election because of the SUN not
because they were being led by the most hapless f**witt ever to be
unleashed on British politics is just plain silly.
Since when did the Labour party ever need any help to find their way
into political oblivion?
The Todal
Oct 23, 2012, 10:35:45 AM10/23/12
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thing, that support for the Tories was so lukewarm that it was necessary
to arrange a hasty coalition just to achieve a majority.
Obviously the result of the next election will be more clear-cut. The
LibDems will end up with about half a dozen seats and the Tories will
have a clear majority.
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