it's not my fault says the clown....
abelard
http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
it�s not my fault, says brown the clown
the parable of feckless britain:
Come close and listen, Best Beloved.
In our house, we have a 600-inch TV. We have a Roller in the
drive. I now have my sixth house valued at �7 million. We have
separate nannies for our 4 children.
Unfortunately, the bailiffs are due in tomorrow and the company is
bankrupt. And I�m going through little difficulties with the tax man
and some mean bastards at the Old Bailey.
I�ve just found out Granny has a hospital-acquired disease, the
wife has cancer and I can�t get the specialists. Oh, and none of our
teenage children can read.
My daddy left me a farm, and I lived boozing and partying there
for years, on borrowed money and by selling of sections of the farm.
Now I�m on the dole.
My next door neighbour is an uptight Scrooge. I keep trying to
borrow money from him. I�ve even sent in one or two of my mates to rob
him. But, lacking sportsmanship, he has a bl**dy great strong room,
and has shifted most of his wealth off-shore.
I�ve been super-generous. I�ve given some gold bars I stole to my
aunts and uncles and nephews and nieces and brothers (I don�t have any
sisters) and to thousands of friends. But none of them are now
returning my calls, the liars keep telling people they didn�t know the
gold bars were stolen! Or they even say that they don�t know me -
would you believe it - some people are so-o-o-o dishonest and
ungrateful!
But I believe I have done a marvelous job for my family. Every one
of them has an iPhone and highly overpriced trainers and membership of
god knows how many clubs.
Shame I�ll be indisposed for a while, but I do have a Swiss
account none of them have found yet.
I�m trying to blame it all on my accountant, because I told him to
fix up the books for me and now he�s gone and got caught. But he�s
turning Queen�s evidence and saying I told him to spend as much as he
liked and I�d take responsibility.
So, here I am. I�ve tried to blame it on the neighbours. I�ve
tried to blame it on my predecessor. I�m trying to blame it on my
successors. I�m trying to blame it on the capitalists. Why, I�ve even
said that it�s America�s fault, which everyone tries to blame. But
despite my courage and my moral compass, even my lawyers are laughing.
It�s all so very unfair.
regards
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johannes
abelard wrote:
>
> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
> it�s not my fault, says brown the clown
> the parable of feckless britain:
[cut...]
Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
Lou Ravi
> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
> the parable of feckless britain:
>
> Come
Oh look, a capital letter from the illiterate one. This is either a forgery
or the regular cut and paste from someone who talks a lot and has nothing to
say.
abelard
no cut....no paste
but i'm glad it worries you as it should worry every socialist
abelard
wrong as usual lavi
wrong in all cases
lavi...the fellow who is always wrong
johannes
abelard wrote:
>
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:32 +0000, johannes
> <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote:
>
> >abelard wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
> >> it�s not my fault, says brown the clown
> >> the parable of feckless britain:
> >
> >[cut...]
> >
> >Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>
> no cut....no paste
>
> but i'm glad it worries you as it should worry every socialist
Then you're utterly wrong. My only worry was from an aesthetic perspective.
Do cut&paste on uk.politics.misc group, that what they mostly do there.
Politics is about shouting the loudest and the empty barrels spring to mind.
abelard
<jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote:
you could hardly be more incorrect....
naturally, like any socialist you believe that...that's much of why
you will lose
your lies(idiocies) have become transparent even to those with iqs
down to 90...that is a very large part of your constituency gone
like any socialist you confuse theory with reality
allanbonnetracy
The Tories have one huge difficulty in nailing Brown for this
recession.
In order to nail him, they have to nail the electorate’s drug of
choice - hyper inflating housing markets.
There’s not many votes to be had reminding voters that their house
prices have gone down 40% (with worse to come) and that you can’t do
anything about it so all that negative equity is going to hang,
millstone like, around their necks probably for evermore.
Thankfully, Brown is there to do the Tories job for them by his
constant lying, with all the unconvincing skill of a seven-year-old,
to such an extent that gets him blamed for everything, even when it’s
not his fault.
And, because he takes us all for fools inappropriately, best of all,
and surely the final nail in the coffin, his (own) MPs have given up.
They’ve stopped believing they can win, which means they won’t, and,
even if they do believe they can win, they don’t believe they can do
it without getting rid of Gordon.
Now here’s the real laugh, those same MPs that would do for him have
inexplicably been convinced that it is near impossible to remove a
sitting Labour Prime Minister even though, just thee years ago, Gordon
showed them exactly how to do it.
You couldn’t make it up and surely only in the cretinous Labour party.
Lou Ravi
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:32:49 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> abelard wrote:
>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>>
>>> Come
>>
>> Oh look, a capital letter from the illiterate one. This is either a
>> forgery or the regular cut and paste from someone who talks a lot
>> and has nothing to say.
>
> wrong as usual lavi
> wrong in all cases
Not at all Abelard. I state clearly that in this reply you are a complete
and shameless liar. You did not write the post to which I replied as it was
written because you have never, ever written a capital letter on this
newsgroup. The only time they occur is when you've cut and paste. Don't take
people for fools son, you are as transparent as clear glass.
abelard
Rob
"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>
> I'm trying to blame it all on my accountant, because I told him to
> fix up the books for me and now he's gone and got caught. But he's
> turning Queen's evidence and saying I told him to spend as much as he
> liked and I'd take responsibility.
>
> So, here I am. I've tried to blame it on the neighbours. I've
> tried to blame it on my predecessor. I'm trying to blame it on my
> successors. I'm trying to blame it on the capitalists. Why, I've even
> said that it's America's fault, which everyone tries to blame. But
> despite my courage and my moral compass, even my lawyers are laughing.
>
> It's all so very unfair.
Blame it on the Boogie
Lou Ravi
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:43:45 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> abelard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:32:49 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> abelard wrote:
>>>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>>>>
>>>>> Come
>>>>
>>>> Oh look, a capital letter from the illiterate one. This is either a
>>>> forgery or the regular cut and paste from someone who talks a lot
>>>> and has nothing to say.
>>>
>>> wrong as usual lavi
>>> wrong in all cases
>>
>> Not at all Abelard. I state clearly that in this reply you are a
>> complete and shameless liar. You did not write the post to which I
>> replied as it was written because you have never, ever written a
>> capital letter on this newsgroup. The only time they occur is when
>> you've cut and paste. Don't take people for fools son, you are as
>> transparent as clear glass.
>
> keep digging dopie
I don't need to little one, you do such a good job yourself.
abelard
<allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote:
>
>The Tories have one huge difficulty in nailing Brown for this
>recession.
>
>In order to nail him, they have to nail the electorate�s drug of
>choice - hyper inflating housing markets.
first to remove the corrupt incompetent marxist....
after that comes the serious problems...
we have a wholly corrupt socialist labour party seeking
power by lying to the uneducated and foolish
they have no interests outside their damaging irrational cult
regards from the campaign for franchise by examination
Robert Peffers
"johannes" <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote in message
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He has a thing about Brown. If he had a boil on his bum it would be Brown's
fault.
I heard he had been in trouble in his house for the toilet seat being left
in the raised position and he blamed Gordon Brown.
The poor lad has a mental problem.
He blames Brown for not controlling the interest rates but the BoE are the
rate controllers.
He blames Brown for the credit bubble but Brown never lent any funds to the
people who could not pay it back.
He even blames Brown for causing a World Wide depression.
He even thinks it is Brown's fault that the UK has a service based economy.
I get the impression he thinks it was Brown who crucified Jesus and shot
JFK.
--
Auld Bob
abelard
<j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
still haven't managed to find where it was copied from...
but that doesn't seem to slow your lies....
Robert Peffers
This clown thinks anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a socialist.
Robert Peffers
England by, wait for it ----Gordon Brown, who also, according to him, caused
the World wide depression and lent all the borrowers who couldn't pay back
that caused the credit bubble.
He's a 24 carat nutter..
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"johannes" <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote in message
>news:4B40F094...@size229747257254fitter.com...
>>
>>
>> abelard wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>
>> [cut...]
>>
>> Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>What else can you expect from that clown?
>He has a thing about Brown. If he had a boil on his bum it would be Brown's
>fault.
>I heard he had been in trouble in his house for the toilet seat being left
>in the raised position and he blamed Gordon Brown.
>
>The poor lad has a mental problem.
>He blames Brown for not controlling the interest rates but the BoE are the
>rate controllers.
how think you are...the clown appoints the boe board...
the clown has set out the foolish and incompetent 'rules'
for the boe....
>He blames Brown for the credit bubble but Brown never lent any funds to the
>people who could not pay it back.
you know nothing....absolutely nothing....
the clown has been printing money for several years....
he's now merely speeded up the presses
>He even blames Brown for causing a World Wide depression.
liar...as you've been told several time previously
>He even thinks it is Brown's fault that the UK has a service based economy.
you know nothing about economics....service is valuable
>I get the impression he thinks it was Brown who crucified Jesus and shot
>JFK.
he's also gutless.....he's do nothing that requires courage
any real difficulty and the clown is absent...
amazing how incompetent you are in promoting you
fascist dogma
your 'economics' is straight out of millbank quickliesresponse team
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>And the reality, according to this fool, is that the Jews were expelled from
>England by, wait for it ----Gordon Brown, who also, according to him, caused
>the World wide depression and lent all the borrowers who couldn't pay back
>that caused the credit bubble.
>He's a 24 carat nutter..
your desperation may even become amusing
Robert Peffers
upper case letters is that Gordon Brown stole both his little fingers,
(Brown didn't really but the poor lad has this thing about Brown).
We try to humour him.
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:4js1k5lvvlp36s084...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:32 +0000, johannes
>> <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote:
>>
>>>abelard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>>
>>>[cut...]
>>>
>>>Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>>
>> no cut....no paste
>>
>> but i'm glad it worries you as it should worry every socialist
>This clown thinks anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a socialist.
are you claiming that genghis khan killed more people
than your socialist friends like adolf, staling and mao?
Robert Peffers
"Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
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--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
Do you want him to dig in the Brown stuff?
abelard
>Do you want him to dig in the Brown stuff?
better than he smoke it....
Robert Peffers
"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
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Oh! Goody, another dim bulb who cannot understand the first thing about
politics.
Now I don't vote Labour but I have quite a struggle finding what Cameron
intends to do if he is elected. Just what are his policies, other than that
Brown is bad and wants to attack all those Eton educated Tory types.
Oh! Yes! I nearly forgot that Cameron wants to cut, cut, cut to bring down
the UK's debts.
However, the only cure for a depression, or a recession, that has ever
worked before shows you must do exactly the opposite.
All business is cyclic, (it naturally tends to boom & bust). In a normal
economy the flow of money is also cyclic as in, my spending becomes part of
your earnings, and your spending becomes part of my earnings.
However, this circular flow always falters. If you experiencing tough times
your natural response would be to start hoarding money to make it through
the hard times What causes such cycles to start could be, just a loss of
consumer confidence, a stock market crash, a natural disaster like drought,
earthquake or hurricane, sudden loss of jobs, a weak economy sector,
inequality of wealth with the rich producing a surplus of goods and leaving
the poor too poor to buy them. It could even be the central bank tightening
the money supply too much so people have fewer pounds to spend.
Thus, if you hoard money in your hard time, you're not spending, so I'm not
earning, and if I respond to my hard times by hoarding, then I'm depriving
you of earnings. We now have, between us, made a depression out of a
recession. That is how the circulation of money works and it causes a drop
in economical activity, it increases unemployment, ad infinitum.
The first thing to do to break the recessive cycle, and get the money cycle
flowing again, is for the central bank to expand the money supply. This puts
more money in people's hands, it inspires consumer confidence and compels
them to start spending again.
In the UK the central bank is the BoE and it can expand the money supply by
buying UK securities on the open market, it can just print more pounds and
both will see people with more cash and will increase the amount of money in
circulation. To contract the money supply the BoE will do the opposite, it
sells securities and thus the money it receives is like taking funds out of
circulation. They could put credit restrictions in force by changing the
prime lending rate. They, and the government, may apply moral persuasion to
the financial sector to either tighten or relax lending, depending upon the
economic situation.
In depressions the government, and BoE, should boost the economy, by doing
what the people were unwilling to do, SPEND. However, the spending has to be
with borrowed money for taxing and spending cannot increase the money
supply. Virtually all economists believe that deficit spending on national
defence, in preparation for World War II, is what pulled the U.S. and other
nations out of the Great Depression. Controlling the money supply through
the central bank is known as, "Monetary policy", and controlling it through
deficit government spending is called fiscal policy.
So, Surprise! Surprise! Gordon Brown has followed the only known successful
way out of a depression and you, and David Cameron are not only claiming he
is the culprit who caused a World wide depression but are advocating the
very policies that started the depression in the first place and that would
drive everyone back into even a deeper depression than the Great Depression.
Still think voting for Cameron a good idea?
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:33:53 -0800 (PST), allanbonnetracy
> <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>The Tories have one huge difficulty in nailing Brown for this
>>recession.
>>
>>In order to nail him, they have to nail the electorate's drug of
>>choice - hyper inflating housing markets.
>
> first to remove the corrupt incompetent marxist....
Yes Dear! There! There! Didums the big bad Brown steal your scone?
>
> after that comes the serious problems...
Yes we all know the real problems are a Tory government and a Tory
Government.
Who want to reduce the money supply during a depression, to raise taxes and
thus suppress spending.
That, of course, reduces spending and profits.
That in turn means more taxation and even less profits. and so on.
How nice of you to warn us.
>
> we have a wholly corrupt socialist labour party seeking
> power by lying to the uneducated and foolish
But you didn't realy believe then did you?
> they have no interests outside their damaging irrational cult
Oh! You mean that cult that is the only successful way to beat recessions
and depressions?
>
> regards from the campaign for franchise by examination
Is this another thing you blame that Mr Brown for.
There! There! Didums the bad Mr Brown upset didums?
Yes! Yes! Of course we all believe he did it all by himself and the wholw
World went into depression. 'Course we did.
Yes and we all know he stole both your little fingers so you couldn't type
upper case letters.
Aw! Didums!
>
> --
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> energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year
> past
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> the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
> only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
"Rob" <billy...@mepc.com> wrote in message
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Brown.
At the very least HE will believe you.
--
Auld Bob
abelard
glorianna you are thik....
trust the captain who systematically ran us onto the reef to get
us off
it is the boe experts who are now struggling to get the country
out of the mess the clown got us into....
the clown has been sidelined....mandelslime is now running the
government....the bank has taken over monetary policy...
the problem is now getting out of the mess.....
that is no longer the clown's concern...he's a dead man walking
the clown has systematically destroyed the uk economy by his
idiocy and innumeracy...the clown has played his part which
was perpetrating the destruction....
his pigeons have now come home to roost....inevitably....
as any sane or competent person could have told you 15 years
ago....
only problem is fools like you listened to the siren voices of cult
socialism...
the end of the brown clown's destruction was obvious....
now people are listening....and a year or two later they are
now reporting it...and now at the end of the parade you
are repeating it....
and now you and your fascist friends are looking high and low
for people to blame for your stupidity...it's what your kind
always do...
even the clown is at it....
as my originating post pointed out
you're as naive as a new born child
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:jh62k5pbmfarfbe28...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:33:53 -0800 (PST), allanbonnetracy
>> <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The Tories have one huge difficulty in nailing Brown for this
>>>recession.
>>>
>>>In order to nail him, they have to nail the electorate's drug of
>>>choice - hyper inflating housing markets.
>>
>> first to remove the corrupt incompetent marxist....
>
>Yes Dear! There! There! Didums the big bad Brown steal your scone?
he stole everything he could lay his hands upon...
and he's still seeking for more
rbu
Morning Star
>
> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
> the parable of feckless britain:
>
>
>
A task-force of bored French housewifes has set out to punish the evil
dictator.
Robert Peffers
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:33:04 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"johannes" <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote in message
>>news:4B40F094...@size229747257254fitter.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> abelard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>>
>>> [cut...]
>>>
>>> Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>>What else can you expect from that clown?
>>He has a thing about Brown. If he had a boil on his bum it would be
>>Brown's
>>fault.
>>I heard he had been in trouble in his house for the toilet seat being left
>>in the raised position and he blamed Gordon Brown.
>>
>>The poor lad has a mental problem.
>>He blames Brown for not controlling the interest rates but the BoE are the
>>rate controllers.
>
> how think you are...the clown appoints the boe board...
So now you, a total nonentity, knows better than the entire board of the
Bank of England and the PM of the UK?
> the clown has set out the foolish and incompetent 'rules'
> for the boe....
In your humble opinion, of course?
>
>>He blames Brown for the credit bubble but Brown never lent any funds to
>>the
>>people who could not pay it back.
>
> you know nothing....absolutely nothing....
Oh! I Dunnow - I think I just may know where you are coming from?
> the clown has been printing money for several years....
> he's now merely speeded up the presses
Indeed, and the only known way to get out of a depression or recession is to
do just that.
That's why Hoover could not do it but Roosveldt could.
>
>>He even blames Brown for causing a World Wide depression.
>
> liar...as you've been told several time previously
No I haven't.
You keep blaming Brown for getting the UK into the Recession/Depression.
That is obviously not true as the whole developed World went down too.
It was not a UK only event.
>
>>He even thinks it is Brown's fault that the UK has a service based
>>economy.
>
> you know nothing about economics....service is valuable
You are not only the one who knows nothing but you are a liar too.
At no time have I ever said that the service was not valuable.
Quite the reverse. What I say is that a mainly service based economy will
lead to problems in times of economic trouble, and it has.
Also that without a manufacturing, and extracting, base you are asking for
trouble, and we got it.
If you knew as much as you think you know then you would know that when I
advocated Kenesian policies it meant I believed in a mixed and balanced
economy to guard against just such problems as the UK faces now. Not only
that but it must include some public owned services too.
The way it protects us by each sector keeping the other from just such
excesses as caused the present UK position.
Too much public sector is equally bad as is too much of a manufacturing
base.
>
>>I get the impression he thinks it was Brown who crucified Jesus and shot
>>JFK.
>
> he's also gutless.....he's do nothing that requires courage
> any real difficulty and the clown is absent...
What a nut case you are. He is leading the World in this present fightback.
It takes courage to stand up and be counted when idiots like you are
blameing him for every ill in the World.
I have asked you direct questions to no avail and have explained in detail
why the correct way to beat a recession/depression is to borrow, increase
money supply and encourage spending.
Your only answer is exactly the opposite to the only known successful method
of escaping depression/recession.
You have never explained why you think methods that are known to fail are
the way to go, why?
All you have done is blame Brown for everything and gone on calling him and
everyone else clowns.
If you follow the dogma of Cameron the results are predictable.
You dare not raise taxes too much until you are out of the
depression/recession or you risk driving the economy back into the mire.
If you, as Cameron says, also make cuts there is no way out. Compound your
error by not adding borrowed money to the economy and you are gone.
It goes like this - the guy you tax has less to spend, so he spends less.
That drives someone else's profits down and he has less to spend but that
drives the first guys income down which means he spends less and this goes
on and on. Remember that you have little manufacturing base so there is no
long term fight back either.
So explain how Cameron's policy will first get us out of the mire and how he
will keep us out.
You're very big on blaming Brown and very small on explaining Cameron.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
All you do is plaintively bleat like some lost sheep, "It's all Brown's
fault", over and over again.
Noise but no substance. Empty logic and no theory.
It was the PM wot dun it, Guv! Honest it was!
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
Now you are confusing fascism with socialism.
Don't you know, you bloody idiot, that fascism is extreme right wing - like
you?
Did the fact that the Nazis called themselves National Socialists fool you?
Then there is that little matter the communism can not be socialist either?
You don't know a lot, do you?
--
Auld Bob
You are as ignorant as Paddies Pig
Robert Peffers
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:04:27 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
>>news:2b4186c7-31e7-4fad...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>Still think voting for Cameron a good idea?
>
> glorianna you are thik....
>
> trust the captain who systematically ran us onto the reef to get
> us off
Your brown fixation is showing.
How did Brown manage to, "Run us on the reef again"?
All by himself too.
>
> it is the boe experts who are now struggling to get the country
> out of the mess the clown got us into....
Oh! Dear! he's lost it now.
Didn't you claim, upthread that it was Brown;s fault for picking the BoE
board?
> the clown has been sidelined....mandelslime is now running the
> government....the bank has taken over monetary policy...
Yep! Lost it all the way. Brown gave the BoE the right of acting
independently of government policy a long time ago.
I told you that when you accused him of ruining the country by not
controlling the interest rates.
y and innumeracy...the clown has played his part which
> was perpetrating the destruction....
> his pigeons have now come home to roost....inevitably....
The balls burst now! The whole industrial World goes into a recession and
this numptie thinks it is only Browns fault.
Yet he cannot explain how.
t
> socialism...
> the end of the brown clown's destruction was obvious....
Shouting Brown's a clown only highlights your stupid fixation.
Explain how Brown managed to send the whole World into recession.
are repeating it....
> and now you and your fascist friends are looking high and low
> for people to blame for your stupidity...it's what your kind
> always do...
Err! Numptie! Facists are extreme right wingers.
You have lost the plot.
you're as naive as a new born child
So just where does that place the numptie who accuses someone of being an
extreme left winger and a facist inthe same post?
As you don't know right from left I have to wonder if you know which side is
up?
--
Auld Bob
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:p992k59nn1j1jvmci...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:04:27 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
>>>news:2b4186c7-31e7-4fad...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>snip
>>>
>>>Still think voting for Cameron a good idea?
>>
>> glorianna you are thik....
>>
>> trust the captain who systematically ran us onto the reef to get
>> us off
>
>Your brown fixation is showing.
no 'fixation' i just recognise socialist cultists for the dull and
dangerous fools they are...
the clown is a very little man....unfortunately by chance
he is sitting where he can and has caused immense damage
once he is removed from that seat he will be as irrelevant
as every other impotent socialist...just like yourself...
rbu
--
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:vb72k5tnstjpc5gav...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:40:57 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And the reality, according to this fool, is that the Jews were expelled
>>>from
>>>England by, wait for it ----Gordon Brown, who also, according to him,
>>>caused
>>>the World wide depression and lent all the borrowers who couldn't pay back
>>>that caused the credit bubble.
>>>He's a 24 carat nutter..
>>
>> your desperation may even become amusing
>Get real! You have never been able to explain how Cameron will save the UK.
i have no idea to what extent is now possible to 'save' britain...
the clown and his cronies have done vast damage
i do know the necessary steps and it is very clear cameron also
knows those steps
>All you do is plaintively bleat like some lost sheep, "It's all Brown's
>fault", over and over again.
>Noise but no substance. Empty logic and no theory.
>It was the PM wot dun it, Guv! Honest it was!
you are posting empty blather yet again
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:1e72k5lj760knlqtt...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:35:20 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>news:4js1k5lvvlp36s084...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:32 +0000, johannes
>>>> <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>abelard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>>>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
>>>>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>>>>
>>>>>[cut...]
>>>>>
>>>>>Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>>>>
>>>> no cut....no paste
>>>>
>>>> but i'm glad it worries you as it should worry every socialist
>>
>>>This clown thinks anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a socialist.
>>
>> are you claiming that genghis khan killed more people
>> than your socialist friends like adolf, staling and mao?
>You are so fixated you think anyone who opposes you is a socialist.
again you are posting tripe....jihadi islamists are acting
against my interests...
they are far from socialists
>Now you are confusing fascism with socialism.
there is no difference
>Don't you know, you bloody idiot, that fascism is extreme right wing - like
>you?
just more of your lack of education
>Did the fact that the Nazis called themselves National Socialists fool you?
>Then there is that little matter the communism can not be socialist either?
>
>You don't know a lot, do you?
i know that your ignorance is vast...
you really should stop relying on swp pamphlets
Robert Peffers
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:34:52 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:p992k59nn1j1jvmci...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:04:27 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:2b4186c7-31e7-4fad...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>Still think voting for Cameron a good idea?
>>>
>>> glorianna you are thik....
>>>
>>> trust the captain who systematically ran us onto the reef to get
>>> us off
>>
>>Your brown fixation is showing.
>
> no 'fixation' i just recognise socialist cultists for the dull and
> dangerous fools they are...
> the clown is a very little man....unfortunately by chance
> he is sitting where he can and has caused immense damage
>
> once he is removed from that seat he will be as irrelevant
> as every other impotent socialist...just like yourself...
>
> rbu
again.
Do I take it you really don't know what side is up.
Perhaps I should refer to YOU as the fascist?
You are, after all an extreme right whinger, Err! winger.
And so are the Nazi fascists.
--
Auld Bob
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
the boe are now acting correctly within limits...
but now their choices have become highly constrained
certainly i know a great deal more than the clown...it would
be hard not to
>> the clown has set out the foolish and incompetent 'rules'
>> for the boe....
>
>In your humble opinion, of course?
no, in the opinion of the king of siam....
is there no depths to your ignorance and stupidity
>>>He blames Brown for the credit bubble but Brown never lent any funds to
>>>the
>>>people who could not pay it back.
>>
>> you know nothing....absolutely nothing....
>
>Oh! I Dunnow - I think I just may know where you are coming from?
hardly likely as you are so confused...
you trot out socialist slogans in a substitution for any
ability to think
>> the clown has been printing money for several years....
>> he's now merely speeded up the presses
>
>Indeed, and the only known way to get out of a depression or recession is to
>do just that.
>That's why Hoover could not do it but Roosveldt could.
yet again you are parroting stuff poorly understood
which you are now reading from fossil media scribbler
who also have a very tenuous grasp....
better you go and read what hoover and roosevelt (no 'd')
actually did...
the depths of what you don't know are deep indeed
>>>He even blames Brown for causing a World Wide depression.
>>
>> liar...as you've been told several time previously
>
>No I haven't.
>You keep blaming Brown for getting the UK into the Recession/Depression.
>That is obviously not true
it obviously is true....
> as the whole developed World went down too.
>It was not a UK only event.
no it didn't...
>>>He even thinks it is Brown's fault that the UK has a service based
>>>economy.
>>
>> you know nothing about economics....service is valuable
>
>You are not only the one who knows nothing but you are a liar too.
>At no time have I ever said that the service was not valuable.
you're rambling again
rbu
--
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
you walk like a duck....you squawk like a duck
rbu
--
Rob
>>> I'm trying to blame it all on my accountant, because I told him to
>>> fix up the books for me and now he's gone and got caught. But he's
>>> turning Queen's evidence and saying I told him to spend as much as he
>>> liked and I'd take responsibility.
>>>
>>> So, here I am. I've tried to blame it on the neighbours. I've
>>> tried to blame it on my predecessor. I'm trying to blame it on my
>>> successors. I'm trying to blame it on the capitalists. Why, I've even
>>> said that it's America's fault, which everyone tries to blame. But
>>> despite my courage and my moral compass, even my lawyers are laughing.
>>>
>>> It's all so very unfair.
>>
>>
>> Blame it on the Boogie
>>
> Hey! Do what that poor me Abelard does and blame it on that bad ol' Mr
> Brown.
> At the very least HE will believe you.
> --
>
> Auld Bob
I didn't really read that much of the original post. . . just seemed like an
oppotunity to make a bit of a wisecrack...... who the fuck is Mr Brown
?Wasn't he some bloke who hung aroung Queen Victoria
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:48:32 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"abelard" <abela...@abelard.org> wrote in message
> >news:3n62k5tfurjtt5lvj...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:20:50 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
> >> <j.mur...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
> >>>abelard wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:43:45 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
> >>>> <j.mur...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
> >>>>> abelard wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:32:49 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>
> >>>>>>> abelard wrote:
> >>>>>>>>http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_para...
> >>>>>>>> it's not my fault, says brown the clown
> >>>>>>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>
> >>>>>>>> Come
>
> >>>>>>> Oh look, a capital letter from the illiterate one. This is either a
> >>>>>>> forgery or the regular cut and paste from someone who talks a lot
> >>>>>>> and has nothing to say.
>
> >>>>>> wrong as usual lavi
> >>>>>> wrong in all cases
>
> >>>>> Not at all Abelard. I state clearly that in this reply you are a
> >>>>> complete and shameless liar. You did not write the post to which I
> >>>>> replied as it was written because you have never, ever written a
> >>>>> capital letter on this newsgroup. The only time they occur is when
> >>>>> you've cut and paste. Don't take people for fools son, you are as
> >>>>> transparent as clear glass.
>
> >>>> keep digging dopie
>
> >>>I don't need to little one, you do such a good job yourself.
>
> >> still haven't managed to find where it was copied from...
>
> >> but that doesn't seem to slow your lies....
>
> >> keep digging dopie
> >Do you want him to dig in the Brown stuff?
>
> better than he smoke it....
>
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> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
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>
> - Show quoted text -
They are all just Nazi fucks.
--
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Robert Peffers
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:06:33 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:vb72k5tnstjpc5gav...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:40:57 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And the reality, according to this fool, is that the Jews were expelled
>>>>from
>>>>England by, wait for it ----Gordon Brown, who also, according to him,
>>>>caused
>>>>the World wide depression and lent all the borrowers who couldn't pay
>>>>back
>>>>that caused the credit bubble.
>>>>He's a 24 carat nutter..
>>>
>>> your desperation may even become amusing
>
>>Get real! You have never been able to explain how Cameron will save the
>>UK.
>
> i have no idea to what extent is now possible to 'save' britain...
That is very obvious.
> the clown and his cronies have done vast damage
Bleat! Bleat! Whinge! Whinge!
"It's all that evil Brown's Fault".
Change the record, learn some truth and learn some basic English grammar
while you are at it.
> i do know the necessary steps and it is very clear cameron also
> knows those steps
You know nothing. You cannot explain, in simple terms, what those steps are
and those you have pushed can only lead to more recession.
>
snip
> you are posting empty blather yet again.
Then explain just why it is.
Bleating, "It were that evil clown Brown wot dun it", is obviously nothing
more than the brainless fixation of a numptie.
snip
Good Lord, you don't even know that the self titled, German, "National
Socialist", (NAZI), party were an extreme fascist party and thus very far
right-wing.
You cannot even master your own national language and write here like a
small child.
Grow up and shut up.
--
Auld Bob
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
and what steps are those?
>snip
>> you are posting empty blather yet again.
>
>Then explain just why it is.
>Bleating, "It were that evil clown Brown wot dun it", is obviously nothing
>more than the brainless fixation of a numptie.
why what is?
>snip
>Good Lord, you don't even know that the self titled, German, "National
>Socialist", (NAZI), party were an extreme fascist party and thus very far
>right-wing.
as you have been previously told your history is non-existent...
both fascism and nazism spring from socialist roots
but then of course that is what your swp pamphleteer apologists
told your dull uninformed incautious 'mind'
>You cannot even master your own national language and write here like a
>small child.
>Grow up and shut up.
and yet more of your empty and ignorant blather with two embedded but
unreferented claims...
and you complain about 'grammar
what use is your vaunted grammar if you can neither communicate with
any clarity....nor post sense?
abelard
>They are all just Nazi fucks.
it is the price of a lack of education, abuse and being
lied to as children...
most people never think again once they leave childhood...
they get angry and insecure...
and thence bluster as they attempt to protect and assert
themselves...
it is trying but not entirely within their own control...
with such people, much of the bluster is unconfidence
as they try to get by in a culturally dumb society
--
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energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
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Robert Peffers
groups but you are here spitting spite, lies and bleating that the entire
fault of a World Depression is all the fault of the UK PM.
BTW: You have just insulted all Islamists, including the extremeists among
them, by typing their title without the dignity of an upper case letter.
>>Now you are confusing fascism with socialism.
>
> there is no difference
Of course there is, you bloody idiot, fascism is an extreme right wing
political movement and all main Westminster parties, including the
Conservative Party, are socialist parties.
Has not their leader just proved that on National TV?
"The NHS is my number one priority".
David Cameron's own words. Mind you he proved that he was a liar at the same
press conference when he also said, " There it is behind me in big letters
in black and white".
Laughably it was NOT in black & white it w2as in BLUE & WHITE.
>
>>Don't you know, you bloody idiot, that fascism is extreme right wing -
>>like
>>you?
>
> just more of your lack of education
'Fraid not, numptie - here it is from the COD.
Fascism / n.
1 the totalitarian principles and organization of the extreme right-wing
nationalist movement in Italy (1922-43).
2 (also fascism) a any similar nationalist and authoritarian movement. b
(loosely) any system of extreme right-wing or authoritarian views.
Fascist n. & adj. (also fascist).
Fascistic / adj. (also fascistic).
[Italian fascismo, from fascio 'political group', from Latin fascis 'bundle':
see fasces]
Usage
>
>>Did the fact that the Nazis called themselves National Socialists fool
>>you?
>>Then there is that little matter the communism can not be socialist
>>either?
>>
>>You don't know a lot, do you?
>
> i know that your ignorance is vast...
>
> you really should stop relying on swp pamphlets
Considering that I had to Google to find out what SWP, (or as the grammar
challenged typed it, "swp"), were and that I have shown no tendency to being
a socialist, and often told you that I'm not, it seems quite obvious that
you are not only rather dim but that you really are somewhat removed from
reality.
You are so bloody stupid that you translate my defence of Gordon Brown's
correct action, regarding one matter, as making me a Gordon Brown supporter,
a socialist, a Labour voter, a Socialist Workers Party member and an extreme
right wing fascist.
You are exhibiting many of the outward signs of mental illness, including
paranoia.
You show a paranoid reaction by blaming all the ills of the World upon
Brown. Just how you can blame Brown for the combined World Depression and
the failings of the UK financial sector defies all logic.
--
Auld Bob
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
you're blathering again pifflers...
rbu
--
Francis Burton
abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>> it?s not my fault, says brown the clown
>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>
>>[cut...]
>>
>>Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>
>no cut....no paste
You typed it all in again??
Francis
Robert Peffers
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 02:08:06 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:6nh2k5597066m1ob2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:34:52 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:p992k59nn1j1jvmci...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:04:27 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:2b4186c7-31e7-4fad...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
snip
>>Sorry Little dear, but I'm not a socialist - that's your fixation showing
>>again.
>
> you walk like a duck....you squawk like a duck
Thereby you show how much you are confused.
What is more you confused yourself.
Your self promotional sig says, "news comment service, logic, economics
> energy, education, politics, etc.
So let us examine your own evaluation of yourself.
"News comment service", Yet you exhibit great bias and one wonders if the,
"news comment service", you advertise is as biased in nature as you are.
"Logic", but, by the present contents of this topic, you are not capable of
logical thinking. You have just proved this beyond any doubt.
You expose the fact that you are not capable of logical thinking.
You have labeled me as a socialist, a communist, a fascist, a reader of
Socialist Worker Party leaflets and a Labour party voter.
Yet the total sum of the evidence you have is that, **** ON ONE PARTICULAR
ISSUE ***, I insist that Brown has taken the correct, and only successful,
action to get out of the depression.
That is illogical analysis, illogical diagnosis and your prognosis is
somewhat in error also.
Your label of, "Economics", looks rather suspect too. After all you claim to
be an educator yet cannot, simply, explain what Brown is doing wrong,
(bleats of Brown's a clown are neither clever nor educational).
Then we come to your claim of, "politics", but you are so very biased in
that department you become irrational if anyone dares to challange youand if
you wrongly deduce they are not of the same thinking as you, you throw a
wobbly, have a hissy fit, and make all sorts of strange accusations. You
lose your reason and actually seem to think you know better than anyone else
on the planet all there is to know about politics.
You just haven't got a clue. Why you have even claimed that both I and the
Nazi party, (it is short for, "Nationalsozialist"), are both fascist and
socialist. You cannot be both as they are direct oposites.
It is significant that you cannot place a political party by its policies
and rely upon what it calls itself. They often lie.
.>
> rbu
>snip.
--
Auld Bob
Joe Lee
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:32 +0000, johannes
> <jo...@size229747257254fitter.com> wrote:
>
>> abelard wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.abelard.org/news/behaviour112009.php#feckless_britain_parable_030110
>>> the parable of feckless britain:
>>
>> [cut...]
>>
>> Another dreary cut&paste from alebard.
>
> no cut....no paste
>
Wasn't your rant taking the mick out of greedy capitalists then ?
Only - it did look it!
--
Joe Lee
Robert Peffers
You are becoming even more incoherent by each post.
Did you hear Cameron today?
Like you he lives in fantasy. He stands there declaring his socialist
credentials saying the NHS will be, "His number one priority", then he
declares, on national TV, "There it is behind me in black & white". It was
another of his lies as it was actually there in blue and white.Like you his
sole policy is, "Brown is doing it wrong", and is the devil incarnate.
Then I read the Ceefax news and there was a headline,
"New Year optimism, together with rising commodity prices, has nudged the
share index higher on the first day of trading of 2010. The FTSE 100 index
hit a fresh 16-month high, at 5,500, while France's Cac 40 and Germany's Dax
indexes were up 1.5%. In Tokyo the Nikkei 225 reached a 15 month high, while
the USA Dow Jones was up 1.3% in early trading.The continued rise in
commodity prices meant mining companies were among the biggest gainers.
That certainly looks like the governments policy is the right one to get us
back on song again.
Let us hope, though, that the damage done by Thatcher is now seen for what
it was and after the recovery, whatever government is in power, gets us back
to a good, well balanced economy and clips the wings of those dishonest
financial types who got us into the mess.
--
Auld Bob
Cynic
Are you claiming that the international stock market prices are
influenced mainly by UK government policy?
--
Cynic
Robert Peffers
"Rob" <billy...@mepc.com> wrote in message
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Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:24:14 -0800 (PST), "yitzhak in eretz isreal
> (sic)" <yitzha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 3, 10:51 pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:48:32 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>
>>> <peffer...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"abelard" <abela...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>> >news:3n62k5tfurjtt5lvj...@4ax.com...
>>> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:20:50 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>> >> <j.mur...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>abelard wrote:
>>> >>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:43:45 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>> >>>> <j.mur...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>> abelard wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:32:49 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>> >>>>>> <j.mur...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>> better than he smoke it....
>
>>They are all just Nazi fucks.
>
> it is the price of a lack of education, abuse and being
> lied to as children...
>
> most people never think again once they leave childhood...
>
> they get angry and insecure...
> and thence bluster as they attempt to protect and assert
> themselves...
>
> it is trying but not entirely within their own control...
>
> with such people, much of the bluster is unconfidence
> as they try to get by in a culturally dumb society.
Yes! Dear! Now that you have had your little childish outburst and exhibited
the well known, "Spoiled Child Syndrome".
Back to the nursery with you as Nanny says you have not finished your
English Lesson and she is not at all please with your Grammar, punctuation
and capitalisation.
(You have to laugh at the silly bugger. He dribbles on about education and
he is only semiliterate).
allanbonnetracy
> So, Surprise! Surprise! Gordon Brown has followed the only known successful
> way out of a depression and you, and David Cameron are not only claiming he
> is the culprit who caused a World wide depression but are advocating the
> very policies that started the depression in the first place and that would
> drive everyone back into even a deeper depression than the Great Depression.
>
> Still think voting for Cameron a good idea?
>
Thank you for the Keynesian lesson but I’m here to tell you that
whatever this Labour government is doing is a million miles away from
the economics of Keynes.
They are operating on no known economic theory, and know it, and
certainly you will not have heard any government minister use the ‘K’
word once throughout this financial crisis.
You talk of spending through a recession oblivious to the fact that
we’re not actually spending through the recession we are f**king
borrowing, there is a difference you know.
Keynes says that except in certain prescribed conditions (basically
capital spending investment in the economy on stuff like transport,
the sort of spending Labour historically never does) borrowing through
a recession is the road to economic ruin.
It’s the same way that a Keynesian solution isn’t available to
Zimbabwe (don’t you think they would have tried it by now if it was?)
or to Old Labour during the 70s and their bale out by the IMF.
The only solution left to us last time Labour presided over a basket
case economy was Thatcherite monetarism and I’m afraid the same is
true this time.
It was borrowing and printing money to lend on f**kwitt housing
markets in the US and here in UK that got us into this mess, which by
the way is a correction not a recession, and Labour’s current solution
is more of the same.
Except that it isn’t because eventually the markets will not let us
get way with it, indeed they still may not take up all that debt when
it finally goes to market sometime this year.
Behind the scenes, Alistair Darling is planning (indeed quietly
implementing as we speak) exactly the same (and more) sort of cuts
that the Tories are talking about.
You see all this borrowing is just to put off the bad news long enough
to get them through an election then whoever wins it’s shit hits fan
time.
The only real difference between the parties is by how much they will
cut and do you no what, they are both lying through their teeth
because it’s going to be way grimmer than either will dare to admit
this side of an election.
Robert Peffers
The ones you don't know about.
>
>>snip
>>> you are posting empty blather yet again.
>>
>>Then explain just why it is.
>>Bleating, "It were that evil clown Brown wot dun it", is obviously nothing
>>more than the brainless fixation of a numptie.
>
> why what is?
>
>>snip
>>Good Lord, you don't even know that the self titled, German, "National
>>Socialist", (NAZI), party were an extreme fascist party and thus very far
>>right-wing.
>
> as you have been previously told your history is non-existent...
> both fascism and nazism spring from socialist roots
Rubbish! In the first place Hitler's Nationalsozialist, and Musollini's,
Autonomous Fascists and his Revolutionary Fascists were out and out fascist
parties.
While Mussollini changed sides, he was called a Judas by the Italian
socialists, Hitler just used the name.
No one, except you, thinks that fascism and socialism have anything in
common.
> but then of course that is what your swp pamphleteer apologists
> told your dull uninformed incautious 'mind'
You are a totally uneducated, semiliterate idiot and anyone who has followed
this thread can see for themselves you are also a deluded liar.
I've stated several times that I'm not a socialist voter and they can see
how your utterly stupidity has fooled you te believe I am.
The only facts you have to base your unsubstantiated claims on is that I
show how stupid you are by blaming Brown for every ill in the World's
present economic troubles.
Only a numbskull would think that the PM of the UK could bring such as the
USA, Germany, France, et al, into a depression.
Furthermore, anyone can deduce that as, all these countries also went down,
it was a World crisis and not local.
Well anyone could see it but you.
Then I expressed the view that Brown had led the World to adopt the correct
policy to pull out of the depression and you disagreed.
On only those two linked facts you, rather stupidly, jumped to the
conclusion I was an extreme left wing socialist.
Now I've told you differently, several times, I've said I believe in the
exact centre ground and refered you to the Keynesian economic model, that is
neither left nor right, but smack in the centre.
It advocates a balanced, mixed, economy that includes both service and
manufacturing industry. It also advocates both private and public sectors
yet the idiot that is you throws a hissy fit and accuses my of not only
belonging to the Socialist Workers Party but of pushing their agenda.
You are totally off your head and, laughably, there are none of the present
main Westminster parties that are NOT socilist parties. They all push
socialist ideas.
So today Cameron nails his socialist credentials to the mast, the FTSE is on
the way up. UK factory activity grew at its fastest pace in over two years.
The The P&S managers index rose to 54.1% from 51.8 and any score above 50
indicates growth. The new orders index rose to 57.4 which is the highest
since July 2007., while job cuts have slowed to the lowest since May 2008
and is now mainly confined to the larger companies..
Looks like Brown has got it right after all and both you and Cameron got it
wrong.
So you were, and are, wrong all along the line.
Into the bargain your daft claim about other people's education looks rather
sick to anyone attempting to read your semiliterate English in these
threads.
You have, I have to give you that, an overinflated opinion of your own
abilities. However, most people fail to agree with that opinion.
--
Auld Bob
Francis Burton
allanbonnetracy <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote:
>Thank you for the Keynesian lesson but I?m here to tell you that
>whatever this Labour government is doing is a million miles away from
>the economics of Keynes.
Maynard Keynes, Milton Friedman, Milton Keynes - they're all the
same to me. In fact, I don't them from Adam Smith.
Francis
Francis Burton
abelard
abelard
wrote:
more likely the dole queue....
the clown whines that he's broke after he's been gambling
and borrowing and stealing for over a decade...
bliar, the clown, the parasites....
they all have an indistinguishable attitude...
and they always blame the results of their idiocy on those
who were building while they were wasting...
eg they blame 'the capitalists'...or anyone else to hand
it's the world recession....it's the tories....
no it isn't...it's the socialist clown and all who sail in her
abelard
no, some of it i dictated
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Dear! Me!
>You are becoming even more incoherent by each post.
oh dear, it's mister piffler back again....
>Did you hear Cameron today?
no, but i read bit....happy now?
rbu you're already becoming boring
>Like you he lives in fantasy. He stands there declaring his socialist
>credentials saying the NHS will be, "His number one priority", then he
>declares, on national TV, "There it is behind me in black & white". It was
>another of his lies as it was actually there in blue and white.Like you his
>sole policy is, "Brown is doing it wrong", and is the devil incarnate.
>
>Then I read the Ceefax news and there was a headline,
>
>"New Year optimism, together with rising commodity prices, has nudged the
>share index higher on the first day of trading of 2010. The FTSE 100 index
>hit a fresh 16-month high, at 5,500, while France's Cac 40 and Germany's Dax
>indexes were up 1.5%. In Tokyo the Nikkei 225 reached a 15 month high, while
>the USA Dow Jones was up 1.3% in early trading.The continued rise in
>commodity prices meant mining companies were among the biggest gainers.
>
>That certainly looks like the governments policy is the right one to get us
>back on song again.
>Let us hope, though, that the damage done by Thatcher is now seen for what
>it was and after the recovery, whatever government is in power, gets us back
>to a good, well balanced economy and clips the wings of those dishonest
>financial types who got us into the mess.
--
abelard
who you talking to piffler? your dog?
> He dribbles on about education and
>he is only semiliterate).
isn't he too smart for you?
abelard
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:rsj2k59b326ei9fiu...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 02:08:06 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>news:6nh2k5597066m1ob2...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:34:52 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:p992k59nn1j1jvmci...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:04:27 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
>>>>>> <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"allanbonnetracy" <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:2b4186c7-31e7-4fad...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>snip
>
>>>Sorry Little dear, but I'm not a socialist - that's your fixation showing
>>>again.
>>
>> you walk like a duck....you squawk like a duck
>
>Thereby you show how much you are confused.
>What is more you confused yourself.
still more from the auld piffler...rbu
--
abelard
ie, you don't like reality...
of course that's why you're another dim bulb socialist