Bus service
Stephen Hammond
If I wanted to run a bus service on New Years Eve, yeah I know for next
year, what would be the rules regulations etc.
Mrcheerful
> If I wanted to run a bus service on New Years Eve, yeah I know for
> next year, what would be the rules regulations etc.
if you mean a paid for pre booked service then you will need the right pcv
(used to be PSV) licence, a suitably eqipped vehicle (easiest to hire one)
and appropriate insurance. If you mean picking up people from bus stops
then that is another world entirely.
If you mean driving friends around with no profit payment then just get a
suitable vehicle, check your licence and insurance covers you and do it.
zaax
I don't think it's that difficult to start a bus service all you need
is a bus and a driver. I think the local council will also give you
money for OAP's.
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> Mrcheerful wrote:
>
>> Stephen Hammond wrote:
>> > If I wanted to run a bus service on New Years Eve, yeah I know
>> > for
>> > next year, what would be the rules regulations etc.
>>
>> if you mean a paid for pre booked service then you will need the
>> right pcv (used to be PSV) licence, a suitably eqipped vehicle
>> (easiest to hire one) and appropriate insurance. If you mean
>> picking up people from bus stops then that is another world
>> entirely.
>> If you mean driving friends around with no profit payment then just
>> get a suitable vehicle, check your licence and insurance covers you
>> and do it.
>
> I don't think it's that difficult to start a bus service all you
> need
> is a bus and a driver.
Lets take a simple case.
How many buses would you need for a service between two points 2 miles
apart, with a 20 minute headway, operating from 6am until 9 pm every
day? How many drivers?
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tim....
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> "zaax" <zaax_gua...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Mrcheerful wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen Hammond wrote:
>>> > If I wanted to run a bus service on New Years Eve, yeah I know for
>>> > next year, what would be the rules regulations etc.
>>>
>>> if you mean a paid for pre booked service then you will need the
>>> right pcv (used to be PSV) licence, a suitably eqipped vehicle
>>> (easiest to hire one) and appropriate insurance. If you mean
>>> picking up people from bus stops then that is another world entirely.
>>> If you mean driving friends around with no profit payment then just
>>> get a suitable vehicle, check your licence and insurance covers you
>>> and do it.
>>
>> I don't think it's that difficult to start a bus service all you need
>> is a bus and a driver.
>
> Lets take a simple case.
Why? What is it you are actually tying to calculate. The "wastage" in a
single route is much more than for multiple routes.
> How many buses would you need for a service between two points 2 miles
> apart, with a 20 minute headway,
With turnaround times at each end it would be tight doing this with one bus,
so will need two.
>operating from 6am until 9 pm every day? How many drivers?
2 buses times 105 hours per bus = 210 hours per week = 5 drivers working 52
hours per week. But you will struggle to schedule "lunch" breaks. And then
you have holidays to account for!
tim
Mr X
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it's 48!
(no company would ever be able to manage rostering staff if it were 40)
tim
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>
Mr X
What about the various PCV driving regs?
tim....
(for this example) they're only going to affect breaks (which I already said
was a problem.)
It is quite normal in the transport sector for people to work 6 * 8 hour
shifts in a week, so it must be allowed.
ISTM that it is easy to rosta 5 people to cover 28 shifts per week. And by
reducing the schedual evenings & sundays so that only one bus is usweed, you
can save a few full/half shifts.
tim
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R. Mark Clayton
>
SNIP
>>>>
>>>>>operating from 6am until 9 pm every day? How many drivers?
>>>>
>>>> 2 buses times 105 hours per bus = 210 hours per week = 5 drivers
>>>> working 52 hours per week. But you will struggle to schedule "lunch"
>>>> breaks. And then you have holidays to account for!
>>>>
>>> EWTD states that the maxium working week is 40hrs.
>>
>> it's 48!
>>
>> (no company would ever be able to manage rostering staff if it were 40)
Rubbish.
>>
> My bad.
> What about the various PCV driving regs?
>
IIRC there are no hours limits in PCV reg's, but there are in HGV reg's.
IIRC there are regs about number of days worked in succession.
Mrcheerful
there are various restrictions for psv/pcv drivers, which has caused a lot
of problems on some routes quite recently, where the route is a long one
they have to change drivers half way through which is logistically
difficult. broadly:
Driving time: a driver may not drive for more than 4 hours without taking
one break of 45 minutes or several breaks of at least 15 minutes taken over
the 4 hours. The daily driving limit is 9 hours but twice a week this may be
extended to 10 hours. A maximum of 90 driving hours in two consecutive weeks
must be observed
http://www.itfglobal.org/road-transport/conditions.cfm
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> SNIP
>>>>>
>>>>>>operating from 6am until 9 pm every day? How many drivers?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 buses times 105 hours per bus = 210 hours per week = 5 drivers
>>>>> working 52 hours per week. But you will struggle to schedule "lunch"
>>>>> breaks. And then you have holidays to account for!
> and sickness etc.
>>>>>
>>>> EWTD states that the maxium working week is 40hrs.
>>>
>>> it's 48!
>>>
>>> (no company would ever be able to manage rostering staff if it were 40)
>
> Rubbish.
I was thinking in practical terms of running the operation
If the maximum working time allowed is the "normal" working week then you
have no scope of asking staff to do any overtime at all.
Whilst I accept that some companies completely abuse the expectation of
staff working overtime, if it was never allowed most companies couldn't cope
with any last minute changes (such as someone going off sick!)
tim
Ian
ensuing discussion, we do not have definitive answers for either staff
numbers or vehicle requirements...... (and no, I am not sur either,
without sitting down and working some figures out.)
But I DO suspect that someone starting a bus service is likely to have
just one principal route, and would want to achieve it as economically
as possible.
Even a one-bus, one-driver route will actually require two buses (one
requires servicing; breakdown; accident) and at least two drivers (to
achieve a continuous service whilst giving drivers breaks).
As soon as you employ someone to handle your income you need some form
of auditing... (route inspector....)
Starting a bus company isn't an inexpensive operation...... the days
of aquiring ex-WD lorries and putting a bus body on them and just
presenting yourself on the streets have long gone.... nearly 80 years
ago!!!!
Mrcheerful
but the question was to set up a bus service for just one day.
Ian
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But you need an Operators Licence, and to register the service with
the Traffic Commissioners for your area, if you want to charge fares.