Tory says gays have duty to vote Tory
Niles
duty to vote Tory:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7644851.stm
n
Owain
Perhaps she could pass her hairdresser's card on to Ann Widdecombe.
Owain
Lyn David Thomas
Amazing, at one time I would have said we had a duty not to vote for the
tories given their long term opposition to anything pro LGBT (including
calling for us to be gassed/shot). Still they have improved but the
most I have ever done is give a 5th preference vote to one in an NUS
election.... and I could never vote for them now... there are a lot of
gay friendly parties out there, Plaid, The Lib Dems, Mebyon Kernow etc,
even Labour has been relatively good ( :-) ) but to my mind the Tories
are yet to prove themselves. A few apologies would help.
--
\/ Lyn David Thomas
Jon Ribbens
I can see how they might justifiably think they've improved (which is
hardly difficult), but how we have a "duty" to vote Tory... the mind
boggles.
Lyn David Thomas
> I can see how they might justifiably think they've improved (which is
> hardly difficult), but how we have a "duty" to vote Tory... the mind
> boggles.
>
Indeed, they really do owe us an apology for section 28 and their
consistent opposition to every pro LGBT measure.
Niles
<jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>I can see how they might justifiably think they've improved (which is
>hardly difficult), but how we have a "duty" to vote Tory... the mind
>boggles.
Barking, isn't it. And although the top brass occasionally says nice
things, the backbenchers are still completely unpleasant. Dozens voted
against Civil Partnerships, Baroness Young blocaded the equal age of
consent...
n
k...@w3.to
<alex....@zetnet.co.uk> writes
Depends whether you believe in society or not.
If you do not, then you might begrudge the amount of taxpayers money
spent on services not aimed at you (particularly if you don't have
children in your care). Its the Thatcher philosophy dressed up for the
21st century.
--
Kevin
Lyn David Thomas
So selfish and shortsighted LGBT people should forget the past
oppression and look to guarding their wallets. And then ignore society
collapse around them from the security of their gated communities, with
their mini swimming pools and gyms.
A depressing view, but then I remember Funky Duncan, the DJ at the
Powerhouse in Birmingham going out canvassing and working for Dame Jill
Knight...
k...@w3.to
Thomas <l...@cibwr.plus.com> writes
>k...@w3.to wrote:
>> Depends whether you believe in society or not.
>>
>> If you do not, then you might begrudge the amount of taxpayers money
>> spent on services not aimed at you (particularly if you don't have
>> children in your care). Its the Thatcher philosophy dressed up for the
>> 21st century.
>
>So selfish and shortsighted LGBT people should forget the past
>oppression and look to guarding their wallets. And then ignore society
>collapse around them from the security of their gated communities, with
>their mini swimming pools and gyms.
exactly what you would expect from selfish and shortsighted[1] people,
LGBT or otherwise.
--
Kevin
[1] No offence to the myoptically challenged.
Owain
> Depends whether you believe in society or not.
> If you do not, then you might begrudge the amount of taxpayers money
> spent on services not aimed at you (particularly if you don't have
> children in your care). Its the Thatcher philosophy dressed up for the
> 21st century.
I think one can still believe in society while objecting to the vast
amounts of money squandered by the government on socialist meddling and
extravagance for dubious social gain.
Why are we spending more and more on education but educational standards
are dropping, for example?
Owain
Lyn David Thomas
As opposed to Tory social engineering and extravagance I suppose...
Are educational standards dropping? I am not sure they are. We
certainly have people who can't read or write, and there always have.
My father who is 73, and who has been in further education until he
retired, told me that in his school - which was one of Cardiff's best
secondary schools - about 10% of the pupils left that school illiterate.
However society has now changed. The jobs that such people once went
into no longer exist and so they are more noticeable. Plus with the
extension of higher education there are more costs associated with that
and that may account for some of the extension of expenditure.
However there is no reason to vote for a party that has consistently
worked against our best interests as a sector of society, regardless of
what they are saying now they haven't yet apologised for their past
actions. Until they do and recognise that they worked to suppress and
deny us our rights then they don't deserve consideration.
Kate West
k...@w3.to
Thomas <l...@cibwr.plus.com> writes
>
>However there is no reason to vote for a party that has consistently
>worked against our best interests as a sector of society, regardless of
>what they are saying now they haven't yet apologised for their past
>actions. Until they do and recognise that they worked to suppress and
>deny us our rights then they don't deserve consideration.
>
I think the next election will be a rather negative affair, with most
people voting for the lesser of two evils, rather than on a single
issue. On the lesser (or greater) of two evils, I think they run pretty
close overall.
Party members of course will vote to party lines.
--
Kevin
Lyn David Thomas
This is true, and of course there are more than two parties to chose
from....
Stephen M Baines
wrote:
>Are educational standards dropping? I am not sure they are. We
>certainly have people who can't read or write, and there always have.
I think there is little argument that they are. What is degree level
Chemistry was A-Level chemistry when I started teaching, and was GCSE
Chemistry when I was being taught. That's just 20 years.
There's a reason why the O-Level is still being taught (and set by UK
exam boards!) outside the UK.
--
Stephen M Baines
Stephen M Baines
wrote:
>Amazing, at one time I would have said we had a duty not to vote for the
>tories given their long term opposition to anything pro LGBT (including
>calling for us to be gassed/shot). Still they have improved but the
>most I have ever done is give a 5th preference vote to one in an NUS
>election.... and I could never vote for them now... there are a lot of
>gay friendly parties out there, Plaid, The Lib Dems, Mebyon Kernow etc,
>even Labour has been relatively good ( :-) ) but to my mind the Tories
>are yet to prove themselves. A few apologies would help.
Not sure about the apologies. I have problems with retrospective
apologies made on behalf of people who are no longer alive or
involved. Without them actually doing the apologising it's a bit
pointless.
What I'd like to see is some proper decisive action.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> This is true, and of course there are more than two parties to chose
> from....
That may well be the case, but I would be astonished if Greg Hands wasn't
still my MP after the next election. Turning up to the polling booth will be
little more than a formality.