New Voyager missed HELP!
Peter Timothy McCarlie
Is there a chance that one of you good people had better luck in
recording the first episode of Voyager from Sky One on Monday (20th
April)? My VCR worked fine, but the cable decoder timer didn't so the
whole thing was missed. Got something boring from C4 instead.
All those tantalising trailers for a week before and then the effing
technology lets me down. I'll happily pay for tape & postage. Even a
precis of the episode would be better than nothing.
Please e-mail me with any information, or post it here, if permitted.
Thanks in anticipation (waiting with baited breath!)
--
Peter T McCarlie
Simon
Why don't you go down to your local Our Price and buy a nice new boxed
copy like everyone else. You also avoid having the sky one logo stuck in
the corner as well
DHughes250
We can't all afford to do that AND pay Sky 20 squillion pounds a month to keep
the little black box going :-)
Dave [it's payday on friday :-)]
----------------------
Ho hum
----------------------
Peter Timothy McCarlie
The message <353BBA...@hotmail.com>
from Simon <sjml...@hotmail.com> contains these words:
> Why don't you go down to your local Our Price and buy a nice new boxed
> copy like everyone else. You also avoid having the sky one logo stuck in
> the corner as well
Too droll for me I'm afraid, in my delicate position of being
(apparently) the only Trekkie in the galaxy who HASN'T seen any of
the "new season". I'd try a Star Trek NG (if there is one) but they
would probably be all the more scathing. Still, my request remains.
But, just in case, I'll start saving up for the "boxed copy"
Thanks anyway Simon
--
TTFN,
Peter T McCarlie <pet...@zetnet.co.uk>
DHughes250
In article <199804210...@zetnet.co.uk>, Peter Timothy McCarlie
<pet...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
>Too droll for me I'm afraid, in my delicate position of being
>(apparently) the only Trekkie in the galaxy who HASN'T seen any of
>the "new season". I'd try a Star Trek NG (if there is one) but they
>would probably be all the more scathing. Still, my request remains.
>But, just in case, I'll start saving up for the "boxed copy"
Well, IMO the only Trekkie who can be thankful. The episode which had been
built up out of all proportion was absolutely dire. Basically Janeway and
Tuvok, who were on the cube, managed to stop the Borg inserting bits in them to
"allow for better communication." Instead the Borg aquiesced and let them
speak to a representative - 7 of 9. The cube was destroyed defending Voyager
but miraculously managed to beam Janeway, Tuvok and several Borg onto Voyager
(incl 7of9). Janeway had "serious neural damage" and had to be placed in a
comatose state. Just before she slipped into unconciousness, she managed to
tel Chakotay that the alliance with the Borg had to succeed at all costs. 7 of
9 tried to get Voyager to go back 40 light years to the nearest cube and
Chakoptay, who was having none of it, dissolved the alliance intending to place
the Borg on the nearest planet. 7 of 9 managed to gain control of teh main
deflector dish and opened a singularity into "fluidic space" - the domain of
species 8472 ( the rest of the Borg contingent being flushed into space
meantime). Since the Borg knew so much about fluidic space, Chakotay's synapse
finnaly fizzed and he said, "It was you. You started this war." Fortunately
Tuvok had by now manged to modify the torpedoes with the modified nanites and
these easily destroyed the ships that were by this time attacking Voyager
(probably out of boredom - either that or they thought the plot was crap). At
this point Janeway miraculously awoke (my god that doctor's good - must go and
get a check-up with him) and persuaded 7 of 9 to take them back thru the
singularity. Even more 8472 ships came at them and were fought off with one
huge f__k off torpedoe. The rest of 8472 decided they were beaten and made a
hasty exit. 7 of 9 tried to take over the ship and was distracted by Chakotay
while they ran a huge electric current thru her breaking her link with the
collective.
What a miserable end to what promised to be an excellent storyline. I was
sorely disappointed.
Dave (I'm not a ST freak, really I'm not).
----------------------
Ho hum
----------------------
Tom Jordaan
On 21 Apr 1998 20:13:51 GMT, dhugh...@aol.com (DHughes250) wrote:
[snip: voluminous plot summary]
>Dave (I'm not a ST freak, really I'm not).
Of *course* you're not... :-D
Tom.
(Remembering Sliders ep. where Rembrandt recounts the Sliding to a
psychiatrist who sees them slide and winds up being stretchered out...)
--
Tom Jordaan (in Brighton, BN2) t...@phlebas.demon.co.uk
"Gloating is overrated - I prefer to live well."
-- Anthony LaPaglia, Murder One #7212
Harlequin
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:41:32 GMT, Tom Jordaan wrote:
>On 21 Apr 1998 20:13:51 GMT, dhugh...@aol.com (DHughes250) wrote:
>[snip: voluminous plot summary]
>>Dave (I'm not a ST freak, really I'm not).
>
>Of *course* you're not... :-D
>Tom.
>(Remembering Sliders ep. where Rembrandt recounts the Sliding to a
>psychiatrist who sees them slide and winds up being stretchered out...)
Grrrrrrrr....
Don't mention Sl*d*rs!
H. (who still has a personal grudge)
Tom Jordaan
Against who!? And what for?
Tom.
(Confused.)
--
Tom Jordaan (in Brighton, BN2) t...@phlebas.demon.co.uk
"(Windows NT) version 5.0 will build on a proven system architecture
and incorporate tens of thousands of bug fixes from version 4.0."
-- <http://www.microsoft.com/y2k.asp?A=7&B=5>
Harlequin
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:33:36 GMT, Tom Jordaan wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:49:01 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:41:32 GMT, Tom Jordaan wrote:
>>>On 21 Apr 1998 20:13:51 GMT, dhugh...@aol.com (DHughes250) wrote:
>>>[snip: voluminous plot summary]
>>>>Dave (I'm not a ST freak, really I'm not).
>>>
>>>Of *course* you're not... :-D
>>>Tom.
>>>(Remembering Sliders ep. where Rembrandt recounts the Sliding to a
>>>psychiatrist who sees them slide and winds up being stretchered out...)
>>
>>Grrrrrrrr....
>>Don't mention Sl*d*rs!
>>H. (who still has a personal grudge)
>
>Against who!? And what for?
Everyone involved in Sl*d*rs.
A friend (who Lyn might possibly know) and I have been working on
scripts for a TV series for many years involving some people switching
between multiple universes. Then Sl*d*rs came out. However, after
watching a few episodes we came to the conclusion that it was so
absurd as to not be worth worrying about. (Of course, if the length of
time we've spent on the scripts so far is anything to go by, the
series will have been long forgotten by the time they're finished.
Indeed, by that time people may well have forgotten what CRT
televisions were :-)).
That said, I still resent Sl*d*rs for being the first series out to
use the concept as a central theme, even if they have abused it so
badly.
H.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <35b0bdf1....@news.demon.co.uk> qui...@bigfoot.com
> A friend (who Lyn might possibly know)
? Give us a clue.
--
__
*Lyn David Thomas* \/
Web pages start at
http://www.stuffing.demon.co.uk/lyn
Matthew Malthouse
In article <35b0bdf1....@news.demon.co.uk>,
qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
} That said, I still resent Sl*d*rs for being the first series out to
} use the concept as a central theme, even if they have abused it so
} badly.
Time Tunnel.
Matthew
--
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Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>,
jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) spake thus:
> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
I *saw* it on the sci-fi channel this weekend at some ungodly hour
it is CRIMINALLY seventies you know....
--
Mark Ynys-Môn
sua cuique deus fit dira cupido
http://www.archdruid.demon.co.uk
opinions are mine not Demon Internet's
Mike_B
In article <memo.1998042...@mcy.demon.net>, Mark Ynys-Mon
<m...@demon.net> writes
>In article <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>,
>jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) spake thus:
>
>> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
>I *saw* it on the sci-fi channel this weekend at some ungodly hour
>
>it is CRIMINALLY seventies you know....
>
I was a great fan of it as a kid, but Blue Peter was always on the other
channel at the same time, causing so much battling between myself and my
brother that neither of us got to watch either of them most of the time.
That sentence reads horribly to me.... but I can't be bothered trying to
put it another way.
>--
>Mark Ynys-Môn
>sua cuique deus fit dira cupido
>http://www.archdruid.demon.co.uk
>opinions are mine not Demon Internet's
--
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http://www.blackpool.demon.co.uk/
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Matthew Malthouse
In article <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>,
jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) wrote:
} On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:38:18 +0100, matthew....@guardian.co.uk
} (Matthew Malthouse) wrote:
}
} > } That said, I still resent Sl*d*rs for being the first series out to
} > } use the concept as a central theme, even if they have abused it so
} > } badly.
} >
} > Time Tunnel.
}
} Not quite the same, though, surely? Sliders is set in the same present
} time but with different histories in each of the dimensions, whereas
} (IIRC) Time Tunnel was about, well, time travel.
}
} Certainly close relatives though.
}
} Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
Used to be obligatory viewing - almost the only thing we swiched to ITV for
during children's TV. Caught an episode on SF Chanel last week:
excruciating.
Iain Bowen
In article <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>,
Oh, god, yes. I loved that show. Lyn will no doubt post that he always wanted
to break out as well as come out. I know how he feels.
Iain
--
\/ Iain Bowen is alaric(at)harlech.demon.co.uk. Penguin Inside
"April is the cruelest month"
bad...@void.demon.co.uk
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:02:47 +0100, matthew....@guardian.co.uk
(Matthew Malthouse) delighted us by writing this:
>} Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
>Used to be obligatory viewing - almost the only thing we swiched to ITV for
>during children's TV. Caught an episode on SF Chanel last week:
>excruciating.
>
>Matthew
>
>--
>
Some I loved which I would like to see again and think would still be
good.
A for Andromeda. And Andromeda Breakthrough
Chocky
The Brack Report
Out of this world - Little Lost Robot
Which did other people like?
Vicky
*******
"some days the line I walk, turns out to be straight, other days the line tends
to deviate, I've got no criteria for sex or race, I just want to hear your
voice, I just want to see your face." -Ani Difranco
Tom Jordaan
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:27:02 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:33:36 GMT, Tom Jordaan wrote:
>>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:49:01 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:41:32 GMT, Tom Jordaan wrote:
>>>>On 21 Apr 1998 20:13:51 GMT, dhugh...@aol.com (DHughes250) wrote:
>>>>[snip: voluminous plot summary]
>>>>>Dave (I'm not a ST freak, really I'm not).
>>>>
>>>>Of *course* you're not... :-D
>>>>Tom.
>>>>(Remembering Sliders ep. where Rembrandt recounts the Sliding to a
>>>>psychiatrist who sees them slide and winds up being stretchered out...)
>>>
>>>Grrrrrrrr....
>>>Don't mention Sl*d*rs!
>>>H. (who still has a personal grudge)
>>
>>Against who!? And what for?
>
>Everyone involved in Sl*d*rs.
>
>A friend (who Lyn might possibly know) and I have been working on
>scripts for a TV series for many years involving some people switching
>between multiple universes. Then Sl*d*rs came out.
Ah... so I'd better finish the Iain M. Banks/Cold Lazarus thing quickly,
then...
Tom.
(Aspiring.)
--
Tom Jordaan (in Brighton, BN2) t...@phlebas.demon.co.uk
"Anything you think can be used in evidence against you."
-- We Can Remember It For You Wholesale
- Reply using the Reply-To: header's address not the From: header -
Juppy
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:41:04 +0100, Mike_B (mi...@blackpool.demon.co.uk)
wrote:
> In article <memo.1998042...@mcy.demon.net>, Mark Ynys-Mon
> <m...@demon.net> writes
He does? Bloody news propagation delays...
> >> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
> >
> >I *saw* it on the sci-fi channel this weekend at some ungodly hour
> >
> >it is CRIMINALLY seventies you know....
Yeah, but that *was* the seventies. We didn't know how uncool it was back
then.
> I was a great fan of it as a kid, but Blue Peter was always on the other
> channel at the same time, causing so much battling between myself and my
> brother that neither of us got to watch either of them most of the
> time.
That reminds me of the way my sister used to decide to practice on the
piano whenever Batman was on...
John
--
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Dial up, Log in, Chill out * Peace, Love, Unity, Respect
................................................................
"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of
yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."
- Herman Hesse
Dave Williams
In uk.gay-lesbian-bi article <B16A94E7...@0.0.0.0>,
Matthew Malthouse <matthew....@guardian.co.uk> wrote:
: } Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
: Used to be obligatory viewing - almost the only thing we swiched to ITV for
: during children's TV. Caught an episode on SF Chanel last week:
: excruciating.
Hurm. [blush]
Anyone else got the novels? :)
D.
--
Dave Williams
da...@demon.net
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>
> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
Yes and I used to fancy both John and Stephen.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <memo.1998042...@mcy.demon.net> m...@demon.net
> jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) spake thus:
>
> > Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
>
> it is CRIMINALLY seventies you know....
I know and I don't care :-) Anyone remember Sky with the
naked youth in the title sequence :-)
Harlequin
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:52:49 +0000, Lyn David Thomas wrote:
>In article: <35b0bdf1....@news.demon.co.uk> qui...@bigfoot.com
>(Harlequin) writes:
>
Ah, Simon May. He was an LGTG member. His bf for much of that time was
Paul Williams, who I knew in school in Southend, and who's main claim
to fame was slashing some paintings in the National Portrait Gallery.
H.
Harlequin
On 27 Apr 1998 13:02:53 GMT, John Upstone wrote:
>matthew....@guardian.co.uk (Matthew Malthouse) wrote:
>> } That said, I still resent Sl*d*rs for being the first series out to
>> } use the concept as a central theme, even if they have abused it so
>> } badly.
>>
>> Time Tunnel.
>
>Not quite the same, though, surely? Sliders is set in the same present
>time but with different histories in each of the dimensions, whereas
>(IIRC) Time Tunnel was about, well, time travel.
>Certainly close relatives though.
Well, we've noticed certain similarities with many films and TV series
(including "Time Tunnel"). I'm still pushing for an oblique reference
to a different one in most of the episodes (such as "Oh Boy" playing
on the radio as someone realises that he's in a different place and
body[*]).
However, "Split" would have been the first series to be properly based
on the multiple-worlds concept, with the divergence point tending to
slip back further for each reality. And it would hopefully have a
strong enough scientific base to prevent physicists from laughing at
the wrong bits. (I'm handing the science and mysticism, but if Mik
would like to give the pilot a look over...)
I loved "The Tomorrow People". It's possible to read a strong gay
subtext into it (particularly the concept of "breaking out" and
accepting one's true nature :-).) However, it does seem to have dated
badly, and most of the stories seem to be based on the same theme of
people being manipulated into hated each other.
H.
[*] That's one for "Quantum Leap" fans. Unfortunately, most of my
intended references seem to require copyrighted music which we'd
probably not have the budget for :-(.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <35ab4250...@news.demon.co.uk> qui...@bigfoot.com
>
> Ah, Simon May. He was an LGTG member. His bf for much of that time was
> Paul Williams, who I knew in school in Southend, and who's main claim
> to fame was slashing some paintings in the National Portrait Gallery.
Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind a glimmer of light partially
softens the gloom. I think I do.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <893714059.2943.1...@news.demon.co.uk>
I just remember this. Yes I'd like to see it again.
>
> Chocky
Ditto.
> The Brack Report
Don't remember this one.
> Out of this world - Little Lost Robot
Part of the BBC's SF programming from the 1960s where they
took short stories and televised them? If so they have
wiped all the tapes :-( I see no reason why they couldn't
do a series of 60-90 minute short SF stories again - after
all there are plenty of them out there. BBC SF output seems
largely confined to radio at the moment.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <6i2kk1$egt$1...@harlech.demon.co.uk>
> Oh, god, yes. I loved that show. Lyn will no doubt post that he
> always wanted to break out as well as come out. I know how he feels.
I resisted the temptation, just :-)
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <ant28092...@RJET1.quns.cam.ac.uk>, rj...@cam.ac.uk
(Rupert Thompson) spake thus:
> Gold ... jet ... copper ...
> lead ... diamond ... sapphire ... silver ... and steel. Sapphire and
> Steel have been assigned. What *was* that all about?
drug abuse in a minor fantasy scribbler i *shouldn't* wonder....
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <649755...@stuffing.demon.co.uk>, l...@stuffing.demon.co.uk
(Lyn David Thomas) spake thus:
> In article: <6i2kk1$egt$1...@harlech.demon.co.uk>
> ala...@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen) writes:
> > Oh, god, yes. I loved that show. Lyn will no doubt post that he
> > always wanted to break out as well as come out. I know how he feels.
>
> I resisted the temptation, just :-)
watch the fist Lyn, it's not too late :)
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <6i32oo$edb$2...@basil.clues.com>, da...@demon.net (Dave Williams)
spake thus:
LOL
you seventies fogey!
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <648376...@stuffing.demon.co.uk>, l...@stuffing.demon.co.uk
(Lyn David Thomas) spake thus:
> In article: <memo.1998042...@mcy.demon.net> m...@demon.net
> (Mark Ynys-Mon) writes:
> >
> > In article <memo.19980427...@shikasta.demon.co.uk>,
> > jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) spake thus:
> >
> > > Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
> >
> > I *saw* it on the sci-fi channel this weekend at some ungodly hour
> >
> > it is CRIMINALLY seventies you know....
>
> I know and I don't care :-) Anyone remember Sky with the
> naked youth in the title sequence :-)
yes - rather over the top wasn't it - all those blue contact lenses and
"strange" views of Glastonbury Tor.
Iain Bowen
In article <6i32oo$edb$2...@basil.clues.com>,
Dave Williams <da...@demon.net> wrote:
>In uk.gay-lesbian-bi article <B16A94E7...@0.0.0.0>,
>Matthew Malthouse <matthew....@guardian.co.uk> wrote:
>: } Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
>: Used to be obligatory viewing - almost the only thing we swiched to ITV for
>: during children's TV. Caught an episode on SF Chanel last week:
>: excruciating.
>
>Hurm. [blush]
>
>Anyone else got the novels? :)
Somewhere, I think they are in the horde at the 'rents. Any one want to
borrow them?
AFAIK, the TV programmes were actually better.
DHughes250
In article <6i2kk1$egt$1...@harlech.demon.co.uk>, someone somewhere wrote:
>Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
Aah, anyone remember Timeslip? Now there's one programme that probably
wouldn't stand up to well to the ravages of time.
Dave (OK I am a SF freak - and referring back to a long lost thread 7 of 9's
breasts are absolutely huge - I swear they're getting bigger each episode (and
it's only episode 2))
----------------------
Ho hum
----------------------
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <memo.19980528...@mcy.demon.net> m...@demon.net
> > I know and I don't care :-) Anyone remember Sky with the
> > naked youth in the title sequence :-)
>
> yes - rather over the top wasn't it - all those blue contact lenses
> and "strange" views of Glastonbury Tor.
Yes but wasn't he cute (I was only about 15 at the time so most
looked cute - particularly if they displayed flesh).
Harlequin
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:25:16 +0000, Lyn David Thomas wrote:
>In article: <35ab4250...@news.demon.co.uk> Harlequin writes:
>> Ah, Simon May. He was an LGTG member. His bf for much of that time was
>> Paul Williams, who I knew in school in Southend, and who's main claim
>> to fame was slashing some paintings in the National Portrait Gallery.
>
>Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind a glimmer of light partially
>softens the gloom. I think I do.
By a strange coincidence, he rang me last night (the first contact for
a month or two) as I was composing the "Split" script post. He says
that he has a similarly faint recollection of you.
H.
Harlequin
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:33:04 +0000, Lyn David Thomas wrote:
>jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) writes:
>> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
>
John was a stuck-up twerp. Stephen was quite nice, though :-).
H.
Harlequin
On 28 Apr 1998 20:02:00 GMT, DHughes250 wrote:
>In article <6i2kk1$egt$1...@harlech.demon.co.uk>, someone somewhere wrote:
>
>wouldn't stand up to well to the ravages of time.
>
>Dave (OK I am a SF freak - and referring back to a long lost thread 7 of 9's
>breasts are absolutely huge - I swear they're getting bigger each episode (and
>it's only episode 2))
I've seen Timeslip quite recently (Simon brings round videos of both
series). If anything, it's dated less than TTP.
And since they've been mentioned, I find the aforementioned mammaries
grabbing much of my attention while watching Voyager. I see that
they've now been given a smoother covering.
H.
Harlequin
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:01:25 +0100, Rupert Thompson wrote:
><URL:mailto:bad...@void.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Some I loved which I would like to see again and think would still be
>> good.
>> The Brack Report
>> Out of this world - Little Lost Robot
>
>_Sapphire and Steel_?
>All irregularities will be handled by the forces controlling each
>dimension. Transuranic heavy elements may not be used where there is
>life. Medium atomic weights are available. Gold ... jet ... copper ...
>lead ... diamond ... sapphire ... silver ... and steel. Sapphire and
>Steel have been assigned. What *was* that all about?
>sequence? You could always tell who the alien leader was, 'cos he always
>looked like Leslie Nielson - same as the guy from _U.F.O._
I got the impression that Sapphire and Steel were part of some kind of
multi-demensional elemental police force, but it's difficult to be
certain.
UFO had some good storylines, and the tower block I lived in until
recently was used as the home of one of the central characters
(external shots).
H.
Harlequin
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:55:20 GMT, bad...@void.demon.co.uk wrote:
>matthew....@guardian.co.uk (Matthew Malthouse) delighted us by writing this:
>>
>>during children's TV. Caught an episode on SF Chanel last week:
>>excruciating.
>
>good.
>A for Andromeda. And Andromeda Breakthrough
>Chocky
>The Brack Report
>Out of this world - Little Lost Robot
>
Not SF, but Rentaghost was fun. There was also another, surrealistic
series about a kid having to work his way up a building to get out,
encountering different characters and stories on each floor. I've been
trying to get the name of it for years. Anyone got any idea?
H.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <616060...@stuffing.demon.co.uk>, l...@stuffing.demon.co.uk
(Lyn David Thomas) spake thus:
> In article: <memo.19980528...@mcy.demon.net> m...@demon.net
> (Mark Ynys-Mon) writes:
> > > I know and I don't care :-) Anyone remember Sky with the
> > > naked youth in the title sequence :-)
> >
> > yes - rather over the top wasn't it - all those blue contact lenses
> > and "strange" views of Glastonbury Tor.
>
> Yes but wasn't he cute (I was only about 15 at the time so most
> looked cute - particularly if they displayed flesh).
too androgynous (not that I could have put it like that at the time).
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <199804282002...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
dhugh...@aol.com (DHughes250) spake thus:
> Aah, anyone remember Timeslip? Now there's one programme that probably
> wouldn't stand up to well to the ravages of time.
lol
indeed not!
Lyn David Thomas
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <3588a502...@news.demon.co.uk> qui...@bigfoot.com
(Harlequin) writes:
>
> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:33:04 +0000, Lyn David Thomas wrote:
> >jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (John Upstone) writes:
> >> Anyone remember The Tomorrow People?
> >
>
> John was a stuck-up twerp. Stephen was quite nice, though :-).
Yes insufferable wasn't he, but I still wanted to "do" things
with him.
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <memo.19980429...@mcy.demon.net> m...@demon.net
> > > yes - rather over the top wasn't it - all those blue contact
lenses
> > > and "strange" views of Glastonbury Tor.
> >
> > Yes but wasn't he cute (I was only about 15 at the time so most
> > looked cute - particularly if they displayed flesh).
>
> too androgynous (not that I could have put it like that at the time).
But I like androgeny sometimes...
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Sun, 3 May 1998 00:52:35 +0100, Rupert Thompson <rj...@cam.ac.uk>
wrote:
>In article <6ig7bk$43j$1...@basil.clues.com>, Dave Williams
><URL:mailto:da...@clues.com> wrote:
>
>> Now "Into the Labyrinth", on the other hand...
>>
>
>Wow! I'd forgotten that! Ron Moody and Pamela Salem. "I deny you the
>Nidus!". Excellent stuff.
>
Yeah, but the best series was the first... The second one, with the
other character replacing Ron was pure crap.
Who reckons the original Mike in The Tomorrow People was resonably
cute for the time ;) (Getting a bit more on topic ;)
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Sun, 03 May 1998 10:41:21 +0000, Lyn David Thomas
<l...@stuffing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article: <354904a...@news.clara.net>
>mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse writes:
>>
>> Yeah, but the best series was the first... The second one, with the
>> other character replacing Ron was pure crap.
>>
>> Who reckons the original Mike in The Tomorrow People was resonably
>> cute for the time ;) (Getting a bit more on topic ;)
>
>Let me see, me 16 year old (or so), him warm with pulse and
>without shirt on occasion = of course I fancied him.....
>
>:-)
That old?! I wouldn't have thought it :)
I was a mere 7 or 8, IIR ...
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Sun, 3 May 1998 11:26:51 +0100, Rupert Thompson <rj...@cam.ac.uk>
wrote:
>In article <354904a...@news.clara.net>,
><URL:mailto:mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 May 1998 00:52:35 +0100, Rupert Thompson <rj...@cam.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6ig7bk$43j$1...@basil.clues.com>, Dave Williams
>> ><URL:mailto:da...@clues.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now "Into the Labyrinth", on the other hand...
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wow! I'd forgotten that! Ron Moody and Pamela Salem. "I deny you the
>> >Nidus!". Excellent stuff.
>> >
>> Yeah, but the best series was the first... The second one, with the
>> other character replacing Ron was pure crap.
>
>That's true. I don't remember much about the second series, but I seem
>to recall it turned into a poor comedy. Was it that the character who
>replaced Rothgo was an incompetent magician, or something?
Yeah... he was a lot younger too... but not a patch on Rothgo in
power.
Mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On 3 May 1998 19:00:57 GMT, da...@clues.com (Dave Williams) wrote:
>
>: Who reckons the original Mike in The Tomorrow People was resonably
>: cute for the time ;) (Getting a bit more on topic ;)
>
>with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
>bubbles, that kind of thing.
>
>D.
I dunno... I don't think it was *that* bad for something really aimed
at kids... was quite an interesting story that one. (The one about the
jumpsuits that took over the bodies of the owners, wasnt it?)
David Ledbury
On 3 May 1998 23:05:58 GMT, jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (Juppy) wrote:
>On 3 May 1998 19:00:57 GMT, Dave Williams (da...@clues.com) wrote:
>
>> Yet another HTV/Patrick Dromgoole weird programme - followed later
>> by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
>
>I liked RoS. Not so much when Jason Connery was in it (shame he couldn't
>act, really), but in the first series with Michael Praed...
>
>> Dunno. I just start shuddering when I remember how bad it got. Episodes
>> with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
>> bubbles, that kind of thing.
>
>Did anyone see any of the 90s series of TP?
>
Not so bad. But the original was better :)
Dave Williams
Harlequin <qui...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
: Not SF, but Rentaghost was fun. There was also another, surrealistic
: series about a kid having to work his way up a building to get out,
: encountering different characters and stories on each floor. I've been
: trying to get the name of it for years. Anyone got any idea?
Um. Was it something bizarre like "King of the Castle"?
I vaguely remember the programme, but it's getting way back
towards the edge of what I can remember.
Now "Into the Labyrinth", on the other hand...
D.
Lyn David Thomas
> other character replacing Ron was pure crap.
>
> cute for the time ;) (Getting a bit more on topic ;)
Let me see, me 16 year old (or so), him warm with pulse and
without shirt on occasion = of course I fancied him.....
:-)
Dave Williams
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
: On Sun, 3 May 1998 00:52:35 +0100, Rupert Thompson <rj...@cam.ac.uk>
: wrote:
:>Wow! I'd forgotten that! Ron Moody and Pamela Salem. "I deny you the
:>Nidus!". Excellent stuff.
: Yeah, but the best series was the first... The second one, with the
: other character replacing Ron was pure crap.
<geekpedantgibberish>
That was the third series :) - you'd be thinking of "Lazlo" as
opposed to "Rothgo", and the "Scarabaeus" as opposed to the
"Nidus". Contrived or what?
The first two series were Ron Moody, Pamela Salem, and the three
kiddies. The last one was just had Pamela Salem and one of the kiddies
out of the original cast.
Yet another HTV/Patrick Dromgoole weird programme - followed later
by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
(Yes, I've got the "Into the Labyrinth" novels somewhere as well :)
</geekpedantgibberish>
: Who reckons the original Mike in The Tomorrow People was resonably
: cute for the time ;) (Getting a bit more on topic ;)
Dunno. I just start shuddering when I remember how bad it got. Episodes
with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
bubbles, that kind of thing.
D.
Iain Bowen
In article <memo.19980504...@juppy.compulink.co.uk>,
Juppy <jo...@shikasta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 3 May 1998 19:00:57 GMT, Dave Williams (da...@clues.com) wrote:
>
>> by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
>
>act, really), but in the first series with Michael Praed...
Funny, loads of people I know seem to say that. Couldn't be that Michael
Praed was fanciable and Jason Connery wasn't (unlike his dad).
>> Dunno. I just start shuddering when I remember how bad it got. Episodes
>> with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
>> bubbles, that kind of thing.
>
>Did anyone see any of the 90s series of TP?
No, I think I rationalized it as "it wouldn't be the same".
--
\/ Iain Bowen is alaric(at)harlech.demon.co.uk. Penguin Inside
"I grow old.... I grow old....
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled."
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <memo.19980504...@juppy.compulink.co.uk>
>
> On 3 May 1998 19:00:57 GMT, Dave Williams (da...@clues.com) wrote:
>
> > Yet another HTV/Patrick Dromgoole weird programme - followed later
> > by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
>
> I liked RoS. Not so much when Jason Connery was in it (shame he
> couldn't act, really), but in the first series with Michael Praed...
Michael Praed ... *swoon* *drool* .... this isn't doing the keyboard
much good either.
> > Dunno. I just start shuddering when I remember how bad it got.
> > Episodes with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by
> > large plastic bubbles, that kind of thing.
Bubble suits, change people into not nice people (just like shell suits
:-) )
>
> Did anyone see any of the 90s series of TP?
Yes, had good moments but not as interesting as the original, they
never really did sort out their range of psionic abilities etc. Still
interesting none the less.
Harlequin
Hmmm... yes. I think that may well have been it. Thanks.
"Into the Labyrinth", though, I can't place at the moment...
H.
--
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(According to http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/9715/)
Harlequin
On 3 May 1998 23:05:58 GMT, Juppy wrote:
>On 3 May 1998 19:00:57 GMT, Dave Williams (da...@clues.com) wrote:
>> Yet another HTV/Patrick Dromgoole weird programme - followed later
>> by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
>
>I liked RoS. Not so much when Jason Connery was in it (shame he couldn't
>act, really), but in the first series with Michael Praed...
>
>> with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
>> bubbles, that kind of thing.
>
I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
The 90s TP was terrible, IMHO. It was turned into another mediocre
adventure show for near-toddlers. The original series seemed to have
something more meaningful at its core.
Martin
In article <359eb0e1....@news.demon.co.uk>
qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
<big snip>
>
> I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
>
<small snip>
If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
(transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
Martin mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk
------
"I am for those who have never been master'd. For men and
women whose tempers have never been master'd. For those whom
laws, theories, conventions, can never master." - Walt Whitman
Harlequin
On Tue, 05 May 98 21:35:35 GMT, Martin wrote:
> qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
...
>> I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
>
>If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
>recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
>(transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
>of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
Hmmm... thanks. Something else to check out when the library strike is
over.
Matthew Malthouse
In article <894404...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
} qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
} > I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
} If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
} recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
} (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
} of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
Eeeekkk!!!!
I first read Empyrion which I thought not to bad so I started on his
Arthurian cycle with Taliesin only to find that the writing was dreadful. I
wondered if it was an early work but no, checking the dates it was written
after Empyrion so I came to the conclusion that once he'd sold he either
became lazy or bullied his publishers into dispensing with the services of
a much needed editor.
I don't much care if he got better again, I have no intention of buying
books that put royalties in the pockets of someone who shows such contempt
for his readers. And I'm not too keen on publishers who put out any old
crap because they'll make a mint out of the author's name alone either.
Matthew
--
"Homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto"
mailto:matthew....@guardian.co.uk
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/6630/index.html
http://www.calmeilles.demon.co.uk/index.html
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <894404...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) spake thus:
> In article <359eb0e1....@news.demon.co.uk>
> qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
>
> <big snip>
> >
> > I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
> >
> <small snip>
>
> If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
> recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
> (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
> of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
Well I will see if your recommendations are good then... I have just
ordered all three (along with the new Pratchett and the Rough Guide to
Tuscany) from www.bookshop.co.uk :)
Martin
In article <B175FF22...@0.0.0.0>
matthew....@guardian.co.uk "Matthew Malthouse" writes:
> In article <894404...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
> Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
>
>
> } qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
>
> } > I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
>
> } If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
> } recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
> } (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
> } of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
>
>
> Eeeekkk!!!!
>
> I first read Empyrion which I thought not to bad so I started on his
> Arthurian cycle with Taliesin only to find that the writing was dreadful. I
> wondered if it was an early work but no, checking the dates it was written
> after Empyrion so I came to the conclusion that once he'd sold he either
> became lazy or bullied his publishers into dispensing with the services of
> a much needed editor.
>
> I don't much care if he got better again, I have no intention of buying
> books that put royalties in the pockets of someone who shows such contempt
> for his readers. And I'm not too keen on publishers who put out any old
> crap because they'll make a mint out of the author's name alone either.
>
Oops. And I know you're a serious SF/Fantasy man from
the bookshelves over your buffet!
I read the Silver Hand stuff first. I liked it lots. I then
read the Arthur stuff, and loved it - enough that I've just
bought Book 5 ("Grail") in hardback at pounds lots. I haven't
yet read Empyrion. I suspect we're miles apart here, but the only
author I feel is better at grown-up fantasy is Stephen Donaldson,
and the first Thomas Covenant trilogy the best work ever.
PS Just for the fantasy fans, place the sig. <g>
--
Martin mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk
------
"Only in silence, the word; Only in darkness, light
Only in dying, life; Bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky"
Ursula K Le Guin
Matthew Malthouse
In article <894496...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
} Oops. And I know you're a serious SF/Fantasy man from
} the bookshelves over your buffet!
}
} I read the Silver Hand stuff first. I liked it lots. I then
} read the Arthur stuff, and loved it - enough that I've just
} bought Book 5 ("Grail") in hardback at pounds lots. I haven't
} yet read Empyrion. I suspect we're miles apart here, but the only
} author I feel is better at grown-up fantasy is Stephen Donaldson,
} and the first Thomas Covenant trilogy the best work ever.
One day when I've really got nothing to do I'll give Taliesin another try.
But my memory is of clumsy writing - bad enough to jar and stop the flow of
reading - in the face of which it was rather dificult to say if plot and
character were up to scratch.
I'm not going to agree about Donaldson: I loved the Covenant books, first
and second trillogy, but they are the work of obsession rather than
inspiration. Technicaly the short stories in "Daughter of Regals" are
better, The Mordant's Need diptych is better written both in prose and
ploting although its lighter in tone the themes of power and the abnegation
of responsibilty are just as well handled as in Covenant.
But for Donaldson at his supreme the five books of the Gap series - four
long novels and an introductory novella - which I have recently re-read.
Dark and brutal, many dislike them for their violence but the skill with
which they are constructed and the plot that takes five characters and
entirely reverses the role each plays is remarkable.
But to top my list of admired fantasy: Gene Wolfe's four volume Book of the
New Sun ("The Shadow of the Torturer", "The Claw of the Conciliator", "The
Sword of the Lictor" and "The Citadel of the Autarch") which to my mind is
his master work. It's a story in the classic mould of there and back again
with transformations along the way. Both the surface richness of the
writing and the underlying skill with which a vastly complex world is
brought out make it a remarkable work.
bad...@void.demon.co.uk
On Wed, 06 May 98 23:08:50 GMT, Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin)
delighted us by writing this:
>I read the Silver Hand stuff first. I liked it lots. I then
>read the Arthur stuff, and loved it - enough that I've just
>bought Book 5 ("Grail") in hardback at pounds lots. I haven't
>yet read Empyrion. I suspect we're miles apart here, but the only
>author I feel is better at grown-up fantasy is Stephen Donaldson,
>and the first Thomas Covenant trilogy the best work ever.
>
Someone has just lent me The Unlikely Ones by Mary Brown and it is the
perfect fantasy. Dragon, Unicorn, knight in armour, heroine..and I can
see the happy ending almost within reach.
Vicky
*******
Don't tell me I'm burning the
candle at both ends - tell me where to get more wax!
Martin
I'll agree with you on the Gap; I'd never recommend them,
because they are so very, very dark. And I enjoyed
Mordant's Need as 'a good yarn'. But I loved Thomas Covenant
because the hero (???) is so real, so broken, so obviously
an outsider. And he comes through to levels of unimaginable
sacrifice for causes he'd have laughed in the face of at
first.
Typical heroes are easy to like. Covenant I cared for, and
loved.
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Mon, 11 May 98 21:15:54 GMT, Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) >
>No, thankfully. Amtrack _is_ dire. I don't think I'll ever
>share my sf/fantasy tastes here again, but I think I've just
>discovered another plus side to being a gay man; I've shared
>my tastes with people I like, they don't find them appealing
>to them, and I honestly don't mind.
>
>BTW, I hit Books Etc CXR on Sunday (see Edmund White thread)
>and filled four carriers with books. A last minute addition
>was Ethan Mordden's 'Some Men Are Lookers', more for the cover
>model than anything else. It's billed as the New York
>Armistead Maupin, but I think it's better.
>
>Please _don't_ buy it on my recommendation (I don't do guilt
>well), but if anyone else has read it I'd like to hear their
>reactions.
>
I'm still a great fan of Terry Pratchett myself... although I was put
off a little by the "Burn faggots" bit in Good Omens...
m...@my.place
On Tue, 12 May 1998 21:43:38 GMT, sp...@phlebas.demon.co.uk (Tom
Jordaan) wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 21:29:28 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>
>>I'm still a great fan of Terry Pratchett myself... although I was put
>>off a little by the "Burn faggots" bit in Good Omens...
>
>Hmm, yes. Mind you, we do have Roderick & Keith...[1]
>
>Tom.
>
>[1] Heraldic hippos in Feet of Clay.
Mind you, that could have been Gaiman that wrote that bit....
Harlequin
On Wed, 06 May 98 23:08:50 GMT, Martin wrote:
> matthew....@guardian.co.uk "Matthew Malthouse" writes:
>> Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
>> } qui...@bigfoot.com "Harlequin" writes:
>> } > I also got into RoS. I liked the inclusion of the mystical aspects.
>>
>> } If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
>> } recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
>> } (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
>> } of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
>>
>> Eeeekkk!!!!
>> I first read Empyrion which I thought not to bad so I started on his
>> Arthurian cycle with Taliesin only to find that the writing was dreadful.
>Oops. And I know you're a serious SF/Fantasy man from
>the bookshelves over your buffet!
>read the Arthur stuff, and loved it - enough that I've just
>bought Book 5 ("Grail") in hardback at pounds lots. I haven't
>yet read Empyrion. I suspect we're miles apart here, but the only
>author I feel is better at grown-up fantasy is Stephen Donaldson,
>and the first Thomas Covenant trilogy the best work ever.
I haven't read much fantasy (apart from Pratchett), but I've become
quite a fan of Clive Barker, who I've recently introduced Greg to. I
recommend that people not be put off by his "horror" label. His novels
tend to be adult fantasies involving victimised sub-cultures of weird
and wonderful beings, portals to other realms, and portrayals of the
best and worst aspects of human nature. The gay characters have also
become more prominent in each book to the point where the protagonist
of his last novel was a gay man.
BTW, Matthew, I noticed that you don't seem to have that book (the
title of which escapes me for the moment) or the "Books of The
Art"[*]. Have you read them?
H.
[*] "The Great and Secret Show" and "Everville".
Juppy (John Upstone)
>} If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
>} recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
>} (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
>} of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
>
>Eeeekkk!!!!
I can't even remember what the first Lawhead stuff I read was*, but it
was so dire I've never given him another try.
* was the Amtrak stuff his?
John
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Juppy (John Upstone)
On 4 May 1998 08:04:33 +0100, ala...@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen)
wrote:
>>> by things like "Robin of Sherwood". :)
>>
>>I liked RoS. Not so much when Jason Connery was in it (shame he couldn't
>>act, really), but in the first series with Michael Praed...
>
>Funny, loads of people I know seem to say that. Couldn't be that Michael
>Praed was fanciable and Jason Connery wasn't (unlike his dad).
Well, that may have played some part in things, but I think it also
had to do with the fact that the trees had a greater range of
expression than JC. "Wooden" doesn't even begin to describe his
acting.
I also thought the girl who played Marion was pretty gorgeous, too. So
what with her and Praed I was fairly hooked on it.
>>> with The Tomorrow People and "Tim" being taken over by large plastic
>>> bubbles, that kind of thing.
>>
>>Did anyone see any of the 90s series of TP?
>
>No, I think I rationalized it as "it wouldn't be the same".
I saw one episode, and it wasn't. But there are loads of web pages
devoted to it - apparently it was shown in the states, where they
don't know any better.
Juppy (John Upstone)
>But to top my list of admired fantasy: Gene Wolfe's four volume Book of the
>New Sun ("The Shadow of the Torturer", "The Claw of the Conciliator", "The
>Sword of the Lictor" and "The Citadel of the Autarch") which to my mind is
>his master work. It's a story in the classic mould of there and back again
>with transformations along the way. Both the surface richness of the
>writing and the underlying skill with which a vastly complex world is
>brought out make it a remarkable work.
Have you read 'Soldier In The Mist' by GW, the story of a soldier in
ancient Greece who has no memory. It's been ages since I read it, but
I like it almost as much as the New Sun stuff.
Matthew Malthouse
In article <355b440d...@news.demon.co.uk>,
john.s...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (Juppy (John Upstone)) wrote:
} Have you read 'Soldier In The Mist' by GW, the story of a soldier in
} ancient Greece who has no memory. It's been ages since I read it, but
} I like it almost as much as the New Sun stuff.
No, "The Book of Day's", "The Devil in a Forest" and the Long Sun quartet.
I did have 5th head, but mislayed it somehwere.
Most times I see it I think about buying Soldier, but end up finding
somthing that appeals more. I have a far greater appetite for reading than
tha bank manager is prepared to support.
BTW, I only today learned the definite connection between the Long Sun and
the New Sun books. :)
Matthew Malthouse
In article <3552faa8...@news.demon.co.uk>,
qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
} BTW, Matthew, I noticed that you don't seem to have that book (the
} title of which escapes me for the moment) or the "Books of The
} Art"[*]. Have you read them?
No the only Barker's I've read are "Weaveworld", "Cabal", "Imajica" which I
loved and "The Thief of Always" which I don't think I finished.
Martin
In article <355a43a5...@news.demon.co.uk>
john.s...@shikasta.demon.co.uk "Juppy (John Upstone" writes:
> On Wed, 06 May 1998 11:50:58 +0100, matthew....@guardian.co.uk
> (Matthew Malthouse) wrote:
>
> >} If you liked the 'mystical' bits of RoS, may I heartily
> >} recommend Stephen Lawhead? His 'Silver Hand' trilogy
> >} (transport of Oxbridge don to Celtic Britain) has lots
> >} of 'overworld' and 'the Green Man' done properly.
> >
> >Eeeekkk!!!!
>
> I can't even remember what the first Lawhead stuff I read was*, but it
> was so dire I've never given him another try.
>
> * was the Amtrak stuff his?
>
No, thankfully. Amtrack _is_ dire. I don't think I'll ever
share my sf/fantasy tastes here again, but I think I've just
discovered another plus side to being a gay man; I've shared
my tastes with people I like, they don't find them appealing
to them, and I honestly don't mind.
BTW, I hit Books Etc CXR on Sunday (see Edmund White thread)
and filled four carriers with books. A last minute addition
was Ethan Mordden's 'Some Men Are Lookers', more for the cover
model than anything else. It's billed as the New York
Armistead Maupin, but I think it's better.
Please _don't_ buy it on my recommendation (I don't do guilt
well), but if anyone else has read it I'd like to hear their
reactions.
Martin mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk
------
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Only in dying, life; Bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky"
- Ursula K Le Guin
Juppy (John Upstone)
>> I can't even remember what the first Lawhead stuff I read was*, but it
>> was so dire I've never given him another try.
>>
>> * was the Amtrak stuff his?
>
>No, thankfully. Amtrack _is_ dire. I don't think I'll ever
>share my sf/fantasy tastes here again, but I think I've just
>discovered another plus side to being a gay man; I've shared
>my tastes with people I like, they don't find them appealing
>to them, and I honestly don't mind.
I may be misjudging Lawhead, confusing him with someone else. I'm
trying to remember what of his I can have read.
<later> Having looked through amazon.com, I can't see a single Lawhead
book that I remember reading. I think I must definitely be confusing
him with another writer. I think I've got the first of the Arthur
books here somewhere, maybe I'll try it.
>BTW, I hit Books Etc CXR on Sunday (see Edmund White thread)
>and filled four carriers with books. A last minute addition
>was Ethan Mordden's 'Some Men Are Lookers', more for the cover
>model than anything else. It's billed as the New York
>Armistead Maupin, but I think it's better.
Sounds interesting.
>Please _don't_ buy it on my recommendation (I don't do guilt
>well), but if anyone else has read it I'd like to hear their
>reactions.
It's alright, I never blame people for recommending books if I end up
not liking them. I normally take the recommendation as reason to look
at the book to see if I think I might like it. The decision to buy it
is always mine. :)
Juppy (John Upstone)
>} Have you read 'Soldier In The Mist' by GW, the story of a soldier in
>} ancient Greece who has no memory. It's been ages since I read it, but
>} I like it almost as much as the New Sun stuff.
>
>No, "The Book of Day's", "The Devil in a Forest" and the Long Sun quartet.
>I did have 5th head, but mislayed it somehwere.
I've got the first two, but what's the Long Sun quartet?
>Most times I see it I think about buying Soldier, but end up finding
>somthing that appeals more. I have a far greater appetite for reading than
>tha bank manager is prepared to support.
I know the feeling, I used to be the same. Now it's more a case of not
having enough time to read as much as I'd like.
>BTW, I only today learned the definite connection between the Long Sun and
>the New Sun books. :)
What are they called?
Matthew Malthouse
In article <894921...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
} BTW, I hit Books Etc CXR on Sunday (see Edmund White thread)
} and filled four carriers with books.
Either you get paid too much or I get too little.
} A last minute addition
} was Ethan Mordden's 'Some Men Are Lookers', more for the cover
} model than anything else. It's billed as the New York
} Armistead Maupin, but I think it's better.
}
} Please _don't_ buy it on my recommendation (I don't do guilt
} well), but if anyone else has read it I'd like to hear their
} reactions.
It's on my 'to read' stack and I've dipped a bit. I think I'm going to
enjoy it.
A while back I recomended Mary Doria Russell's "The Sparrow". It's sequel
"Children of God" is published in a US edition (beautifully produced) and
available in some bookshops. It's quite as good as the first and well worth
recomending.
Matthew Malthouse
In article <35577624...@news.demon.co.uk>,
john.s...@shikasta.demon.co.uk (Juppy (John Upstone)) wrote:
} >No, "The Book of Day's", "The Devil in a Forest" and the Long Sun
quartet.
} >I did have 5th head, but mislayed it somehwere.
}
} I've got the first two, but what's the Long Sun quartet?
"Nightside of the...", "Calde of the...", "Lake of the..." and "Exodus from
the Long Sun"
Qualitatively different from TBotNS but good. The story is of a community
coming to a crisis point - both nature of the community and the crisis
would be spoilers.
Tom Jordaan
On Sat, 09 May 1998 21:29:28 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>I'm still a great fan of Terry Pratchett myself... although I was put
>off a little by the "Burn faggots" bit in Good Omens...
Hmm, yes. Mind you, we do have Roderick & Keith...[1]
Tom.
[1] Heraldic hippos in Feet of Clay.
--
Tom Jordaan (in Brighton, BN2) t...@phlebas.demon.co.uk
"The British are subtle, but nasty when provoked."
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Martin
In article <B17E664B...@0.0.0.0>
matthew....@guardian.co.uk "Matthew Malthouse" writes:
> In article <894921...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>,
> Mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk (Martin) wrote:
>
> } BTW, I hit Books Etc CXR on Sunday (see Edmund White thread)
> } and filled four carriers with books.
>
> Either you get paid too much or I get too little.
>
Almost certainly both. However, I get a big slab of my income
as quarterly bonus (=profit related pay), and a good one is
always a cue to buy every book I want while I have the cash.
<snip serious book comment>
Juppy (John Upstone)
>} I've got the first two, but what's the Long Sun quartet?
>
>"Nightside of the...", "Calde of the...", "Lake of the..." and "Exodus from
>the Long Sun"
>
>Qualitatively different from TBotNS but good. The story is of a community
>coming to a crisis point - both nature of the community and the crisis
>would be spoilers.
Thanks, Matthew. Noted the names and will try and hunt them down.
John
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Harlequin
On Mon, 11 May 1998 19:31:55 +0100, Matthew Malthouse wrote:
>qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
>} BTW, Matthew, I noticed that you don't seem to have that book (the
>} title of which escapes me for the moment) or the "Books of The
>} Art"[*]. Have you read them?
>
>No the only Barker's I've read are "Weaveworld", "Cabal", "Imajica" which I
I still haven't managed to find a copy of "Cabal" (I've got to try
ordering it in the library when it reopens). I enjoyed the film
version, "Nightbreed" (which Barker directed), but felt that it
suffered from "Lord of the Rings" syndrome, i.e. trying to stuff too
much plot into too short a film (which also seemed to be a failing of
"Dune" and "Enemy Mine").
The Books of the Art primarily involve an battle between a couple of
enhanced ex-humans, their efforts to involve their children in said
battle, and rifts between our world and another. They also introduce
the character Harry D'Amour, who featured in Barker's film "Lord of
Illusions" (yes, that was pretty poor). The later book ("Sacrament"?)
is a small, non-epic story (with no other worlds) about a gay man
coming to terms with events and characters from his childhood. I would
recommend both (or all three) for different reasons.
H.
Matthew Malthouse
In article <3576e826....@news.demon.co.uk>,
qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
} On Mon, 11 May 1998 19:31:55 +0100, Matthew Malthouse wrote:
} >qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
} >} BTW, Matthew, I noticed that you don't seem to have that book (the
} >} title of which escapes me for the moment) or the "Books of The
} >} Art"[*]. Have you read them?
} >
} >No the only Barker's I've read are "Weaveworld", "Cabal", "Imajica"
which I
} >loved and "The Thief of Always" which I don't think I finished.
}
} I still haven't managed to find a copy of "Cabal" (I've got to try
} ordering it in the library when it reopens). I enjoyed the film
} version, "Nightbreed" (which Barker directed), but felt that it
} suffered from "Lord of the Rings" syndrome, i.e. trying to stuff too
} much plot into too short a film (which also seemed to be a failing of
} "Dune" and "Enemy Mine").
Dune should have been a series. Unfortunately the economics of it wouldn't,
I think, have been practical.
Enemy mine however I'm not so sure about. It was a good-ish effort, but
could have been better. I don't think length / plot cram was really a
problem
}
} The Books of the Art primarily involve an battle between a couple of
} enhanced ex-humans, their efforts to involve their children in said
} battle, and rifts between our world and another. They also introduce
} the character Harry D'Amour, who featured in Barker's film "Lord of
} Illusions" (yes, that was pretty poor). The later book ("Sacrament"?)
} is a small, non-epic story (with no other worlds) about a gay man
} coming to terms with events and characters from his childhood. I would
} recommend both (or all three) for different reasons.
I'll keep an eye out.
Oh, and Martin mentioned Ethan Mordden's "Some Men are Lookers" a week or
so ago. I finished it and can say it's a damn good read.
Episodic like Maupin's Tales it deals with, if possible, a more limited
cast and deeper issues.
In some ways it also reminded me of Larry Kramer's "Faggots" and "Queens"
by Pickles - both of a like kind but set in earlier times and New York and
London respectively.
All recomended.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <B1874A75...@0.0.0.0>, matthew....@guardian.co.uk
(Matthew Malthouse) spake thus:
> "Queens"
> by Pickles
I recall laughing a lot at that.
Mark Y-M
His senses are too gross; and he'll contrive
A sixth, to contradict the other five.
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Thu, 21 May 1998 02:27:31 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin)
wrote:
>You're probably right about "Enemy Mine". I just felt that the story
>was rushed once it left the planet. Mind you, unlike the other films
>I've never read the source.
It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
large tho.
Martin
In article <B1874A75...@0.0.0.0>
matthew....@guardian.co.uk "Matthew Malthouse" writes:
<sf snip>
>
> Oh, and Martin mentioned Ethan Mordden's "Some Men are Lookers" a week or
> so ago. I finished it and can say it's a damn good read.
>
> Episodic like Maupin's Tales it deals with, if possible, a more limited
> cast and deeper issues.
>
> In some ways it also reminded me of Larry Kramer's "Faggots" and "Queens"
> by Pickles - both of a like kind but set in earlier times and New York and
> London respectively.
>
> All recomended.
>
Glad to see Matthew approves of some of my literary tastes!
'Some Men Are Lookers' is Mordden's 4th book in the
series, but the first to be published in the UK. Blackwell's
and Books etc. CXR provided the US editions of the first two,
but I haven't found the third ('Buddies') yet. I may have to
resort to trying out Matthew's instructions on book ordering.
--
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Mon, 25 May 1998 06:40:46 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin)
wrote:
>On Thu, 21 May 1998 23:45:03 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 May 1998 02:27:31 GMT, Harlequin wrote:
>>>You're probably right about "Enemy Mine". I just felt that the story
>>>was rushed once it left the planet. Mind you, unlike the other films
>>>I've never read the source.
>>
>>It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
>>so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
>>large tho.
>
>Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
Bugger. I'll look it up later... it's stuck in one of my bookcases...
get back to u tomorrow on it!
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Sat, 23 May 1998 21:09:27 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>On Mon, 25 May 1998 06:40:46 GMT, qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 May 1998 23:45:03 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>>>On Thu, 21 May 1998 02:27:31 GMT, Harlequin wrote:
>>>>You're probably right about "Enemy Mine". I just felt that the story
>>>>was rushed once it left the planet. Mind you, unlike the other films
>>>>I've never read the source.
>>>
>>>It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
>>>so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
>>>large tho.
>>
>>Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
>
>
>Bugger. I'll look it up later... it's stuck in one of my bookcases...
>get back to u tomorrow on it!
IIR It was something like Manifest Infinity.... But I'll look it up
later.
BTW Anyone going to the Manchester Mardi Gras here?
mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse
On Sat, 23 May 1998 21:11:36 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
>>>>so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
>>>>large tho.
>>>
>>>Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
>>
>>
>>Bugger. I'll look it up later... it's stuck in one of my bookcases...
>>get back to u tomorrow on it!
>
>IIR It was something like Manifest Infinity.... But I'll look it up
>later.
>
>BTW Anyone going to the Manchester Mardi Gras here?
I found the book! (My partner's had to shove a load in the cupboard
due to lack of space :( Bugger.)
It's actually Manifest Destiny - by Barry B Longyear.
The book charts the future of the human race in their journey into
space... not quite as good as the Foundation stories... but not so
bad.
:)
Harlequin
On Thu, 21 May 1998 23:45:03 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>On Thu, 21 May 1998 02:27:31 GMT, Harlequin wrote:
>>You're probably right about "Enemy Mine". I just felt that the story
>>was rushed once it left the planet. Mind you, unlike the other films
>>I've never read the source.
>
>so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
>large tho.
Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
H.
--
Matthew Malthouse
In article <3577e0d5...@news.demon.co.uk>,
qui...@bigfoot.com (Harlequin) wrote:
} On Thu, 21 May 1998 23:45:03 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
} >On Thu, 21 May 1998 02:27:31 GMT, Harlequin wrote:
} >>You're probably right about "Enemy Mine". I just felt that the story
} >>was rushed once it left the planet. Mind you, unlike the other films
} >>I've never read the source.
} >
} >It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
} >so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
} >large tho.
}
} Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
I thought it was in one of the anthologies I have, but I can't find it
which means either I dreamt it or it's in the only one that's out on loan -
"Science Fiction Hall of Fame" Vol 4, the Nebula winners '65-'69 ed. A.C.
Clarke.
A quick web search should find it, there are plenty of sf archives out
there. Or one could try asking on uk.media.books.sf and uk.people.sf-fans
Kevin (Justask)
"Enemy Mine" *was* available in paperback some years ago ( I'm sure I have
a copy of it somewhere) Not sure if it's still in print....but I was a
most enjoyable read. The film wasn't a 'dreadful' attempt ,considering
the transfer from script to screen.
Hugs Kev.
Harlequin
On Sat, 23 May 1998 21:38:56 GMT, mr.g...@the.martian.madhouse wrote:
>>>>>It was a great story... but it was only one short story initially...
>>>>>so there's only so far it could stick to the source. It did by and
>>>>>large tho.
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm... do you know where I could find the story?
>It's actually Manifest Destiny - by Barry B Longyear.
>The book charts the future of the human race in their journey into
>space... not quite as good as the Foundation stories... but not so
>bad.
>:)
Thanks. And I've heard that the library's reopened :-).
It sounds like the story was part of a larger overall plot, which
might have been what I was sensing in the film.
H.