Prosecution for blasphemy?
JohnD
On Tue, 02 Sep 97 20:41:31 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
wrote:
> There's nothing bigoted about hoping queers die of AIDS
My dictionary says a bigot is "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to
his or her own opinions and prejudices". Would Baron care to explain in what way
"hoping queers die of aids" is in any way tolerant or lacking in prejudice?
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On 05.09.97 12:22, JohnD <john...@mindless.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 97 20:41:31 GMT,
> A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
> wrote:
>
> > There's nothing bigoted about hoping queers die of AIDS
I think Herr Baron (rather apt don't you think? Perhaps he has a
red face?) is still living in the early forties.
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In article <3427ea5d...@news.cableinet.co.uk>
johnny_d/at/mindless.com "JohnD" writes:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 97 20:41:31 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
> wrote:
>
> > There's nothing bigoted about hoping queers die of AIDS
>
> My dictionary says a bigot is "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to
> his or her own opinions and prejudices". Would Baron care to explain in what way> "hoping queers die of aids" is in any way tolerant or lacking in prejudice?
Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals; I've studied
the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people, the only
difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
intimidated to say so.
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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
David Quinton
In message <873724...@abaron.demon.co.uk> - A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk
(Alexander Baron)Mon, 08 Sep 97 13:07:39 GMT writes:
:>
:>In article <3427ea5d...@news.cableinet.co.uk>
:> johnny_d/at/mindless.com "JohnD" writes:
:>
:>> On Tue, 02 Sep 97 20:41:31 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
:>> wrote:
:>>
:>> > There's nothing bigoted about hoping queers die of AIDS
:>>
:>> My dictionary says a bigot is "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to
:>> his or her own opinions and prejudices". Would Baron care to explain in what way> "hoping queers die of aids" is in any way tolerant or lacking in prejudice?
:>
:>Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals; I've studied
:>the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people, the only
:>difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
:>intimidated to say so.
"I've studied the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people" - so
it's *not* just queers you hate; but most of the world!
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In article <873724...@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>In article <3427ea5d...@news.cableinet.co.uk>
> johnny_d/at/mindless.com "JohnD" writes:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 97 20:41:31 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's nothing bigoted about hoping queers die of AIDS
>>
>> My dictionary says a bigot is "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted
to
>> his or her own opinions and prejudices". Would Baron care to explain in what
way> "hoping queers die of aids" is in any way tolerant or lacking in prejudice?
>
>Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals; I've studied
>the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people, the only
>difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
>intimidated to say so.
>
Intimidated!!?? By a ramshackle bunch of queers!!??
Oooh! You are the living end!
Allan
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JohnD wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 97 13:07:39 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
> wrote:
> > Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals;
> > I've studied the subject and it revolts me.
> > Ditto most other people, the only
> > difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
> > intimidated to say so.
>
> Rubbish! Most people are happy for homosexuals to live their own
> lives however much they do not wish to be involved themselves.
Well put.
How many times have we heard that old "I'm speaking for the
silent, right-minded majority" argument?
And have you noticed that this argument is usually used by
people who want to unreasonably curtail the freedoms and
rights of others?
And that the mythical 'majority' they champion is usually
an invenion of these people purely to provide (in their
own mind) a social justification of their bigotry?
But, at least we can take comfort in the fact that they
do not fool many people with this argument - other than
themselves, of course.
Stuart
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Alexander Baron
In article <5v18fi$qjf$3...@biffo.sol.co.uk>
dav...@post.almac.co.uk "David Quinton" writes:
> :>Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals; I've studied
> :>the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people, the only
> :>difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
> :>intimidated to say so.
>
> "I've studied the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people" - so
> it's *not* just queers you hate; but most of the world!
Ditto most other people hate homosexuality. But you knew that, of course.
Patrick Mcdonnell
A Baron wrote:
> > :>Prejudice means to pre-judge. I don't prejudge homosexuals; I've
> > studied
> > :>the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people, the only
> > :>difference is that with a few brave exceptions most people are too
> > :>intimidated to say so.
> >
> > "I've studied the subject and it revolts me. Ditto most other people"
> > - so
> > it's *not* just queers you hate; but most of the world!
>
> Ditto most other people hate homosexuality. But you knew that, of
> course.
I'm glad to see that you yourself aren't intimidated by homosexuals.
I wonder if any poor souls feel intimidated by you?
What do you mean by homosexuality? Male, female or both?
Do you hate the concept of all or some same-sex sexual practises?
Do you extend this hatred to people of homosexual sexuality who undertake
these sexual practises?
Do you feel this hatred towards anyone who has a homosexual sexuality
even if he/she manages to live a suppressed or covert lifestyle?
You make the claim that 'most other people hate homosexuality.'
The polls are against you there, but mebbie the pollsters so terrified
the respondents that they lied. :)
Homosexuality is a human condition where the person concerned feels
sexual attraction to persons of the same sex. Arguments abound about
whether it is caused by nature or nurture but in practical terms they
matter not.
Nobody gets to choose their sexuality, it comes as part of the package.
It affects a proportion of all populations. 10% is an oft-quoted figure.
Bearing the above in mind, might it just be possible that you suffer from
a phobia about homosexuality? I suffer from an irrational fear of
spiders myself, so I can understand such feelings.
OTOH, I harbour no illusions that the remainder of the population
supports and applauds my spider-hating ways. :)
Patrick.
Alexander Baron
In article <341536...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m>
stua...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m "Dr Stuart McIntyre" writes:
> How many times have we heard that old "I'm speaking for the
> silent, right-minded majority" argument?
>
> And have you noticed that this argument is usually used by
> people who want to unreasonably curtail the freedoms and
> rights of others?
Actually, it's mostly faggots who are in favour of curtailing freedoms;
they are predominantly leftist.
>
> And that the mythical 'majority' they champion is usually
> an invenion of these people purely to provide (in their
> own mind) a social justification of their bigotry?
Not so. A few years ago the "Gay Pride" festival was driven out of
Brixton because young blacks were beating them up on the streets.
I don't advocate that but I would point out that I am not the only
one member of the silent majority, and that many people have stronger
views than yours truly.
As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead guilty.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <873875...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote thus:
> In article <341536...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m>
> stua...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m "Dr Stuart McIntyre" writes:
>
> > How many times have we heard that old "I'm speaking for the
> > silent, right-minded majority" argument?
> >
> > And have you noticed that this argument is usually used by
> > people who want to unreasonably curtail the freedoms and
> > rights of others?
>
> Actually, it's mostly faggots who are in favour of curtailing freedoms;
> they are predominantly leftist.
Oh dear - best to ignore this chap one I think.
Mark Ynys-Môn
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A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
>minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead guilty.
You can't really judge them as disgusting until you try them :-)
I felt the same way about mussels before I had them in black bean
sauce...
Matt Brown
Alexander Baron vomited out the following:
> In article <341536...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m>
> stua...@lsl.co.uk-s-p-a-m "Dr Stuart McIntyre" writes:
>
> > How many times have we heard that old "I'm speaking for the
> > silent, right-minded majority" argument?
> >
> > And have you noticed that this argument is usually used by
> > people who want to unreasonably curtail the freedoms and
> > rights of others?
>
> Actually, it's mostly faggots who are in favour of curtailing
> freedoms; they are predominantly leftist.
*Love* these people who think bandying the term "leftist" or "left-wing"
around is some sort of insult that immediately seals an argument in
their favour.
"Faggots", as you put it, are no more predisposed to curtailing freedoms
than anyone else - that's not to say that all gay people are wonderful
but I expect, on average, a gay person to be just as tolerant as the
next heterosexual. (If that "next heterosexual" is you, Mr. Baron, we're
all in deep shit.)
In fact, you can count on gay people to "predominantly" support moves
for greater freedoms such as anti-racism, anti-sexism, equal
opportunities for minorities in the workplace, the right to safely walk
the streets, in fact the end of all discriminatory practices that focus
on gender, skin colour or sexual preference. If that's curtailing your
freedom to be a homophobic racist sexist violent tosser, then sorry pal,
fuck off and live somewhere else 'cos personally I'm not going to change
my life to fit in with you.
> > And that the mythical 'majority' they champion is usually
> > an invenion of these people purely to provide (in their
> > own mind) a social justification of their bigotry?
>
> Not so. A few years ago the "Gay Pride" festival was driven out of
> Brixton because young blacks were beating them up on the streets.
Bullshit. It was moved out of Brockwell Park because the festival was
getting too large for the Park to comfortably contain, and because
Lambeth Council were sick of picking up the bill for collecting the
litter for three years in a row. Minor gay-bashing incidents occur at
every Pride, no matter what its location, because they are some truly
sick people out there.
> I don't advocate that but I would point out that I am not the only
> one member of the silent majority, and that many people have stronger
> views than yours truly.
Oh yeah pal, you're real silent about your views. Anyway, it has been my
experience that the stronger and more silent one's views are, the more
one is a foaming-at-the-mouth evil bigot who has a "silent, strong"
problem with one's own sexuality. People comfortable with their
heterosexual status don't have a problem with gays. You appear to, and
it makes me wonder why.
> As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
> minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead
> guilty.
Congratulations: a self-confessed evil narrow-minded bigot is better
than an evil narrow-minded bigot in denial. Who knows - maybe there's
some hope for you.
You rant against disgusting practices - you appear, then, to consider
same-gender sexual relations to be more disgusting than, say,
disfiguring someone's face for life, or maiming or disabling someone for
life, or living in permanent state of such hatred that you cannot
tolerate anyone who lives a different life than your own. I think that
says a lot about your level of compassion and I suggest you seek help.
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes
> himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
I suggest you re-examine what "truth" you "know".
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Patrick Mcdonnell
Mark Y-M wrote:
> Oh dear - best to ignore this chap one I think.
He seems to be a racial supremacist too. For some reason he refuses to
answer my posts. Colour me surprised. :)
Patrick.
Rupert Thompson
In article <EGEnM...@cix.compulink.co.uk>, Patrick Mcdonnell
<URL:mailto:lo...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
> I have some knowledge of the 'ex-gay' movement as I run a local referral
> service for the many people who suffer as a result of their activities.
> Our local branch of 'gay curers' here in Ipswich (U-turn Anglia) is/was
> run by a sad man called George Harvey who drove his gay son to suicide
> some 10 years ago and is on the record as being glad that he did it.
>
> It has taken me much time and money to stop him from advertising his evil
> practises but I'm happy to say that his UK financial backers have now
> withdrawn their support and his US backers were so upset by the details I
> sent them of his 3 previous bankruptcies (for a total of 978,554 ukp)
> that they have set the local fraud squad onto him.
Well done!
--
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http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!)
Patrick Mcdonnell
A_Baron wrote:
> Actually, it's mostly faggots who are in favour of curtailing freedoms;
> they are predominantly leftist.
Guffaw! Check your facts before calling people 'lefties.'
I'm a capitalist with businesses spread across 3 continents, rental
property in the UK and Thailand and I hold a minor Irish title. Moreover,
I've been lied to personally by T Blair within the last 2 years. :)
> Not so. A few years ago the "Gay Pride" festival was driven out of
> Brixton because young blacks were beating them up on the streets.
> I don't advocate that but I would point out that I am not the only
> one member of the silent majority, and that many people have stronger
> views than yours truly.
I attended *ALL* the Pride events at Brixton and saw no evidence of
violence. Do you honestly think that a few local homophobes would have a
cat in hell's chance of attacking 500,000+ homosexual people?
Homophobes are usually careful to target gay people who are on their own
(I suppose the 'phobes would feel too intimidated if there were several
gays to beat up.)
Have you been living on Planet Zog for long? :-)
> As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
> minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead
> guilty.
Practice makes perfect you know. :)
Patrick.
Patrick Mcdonnell
A_Baron wrote:
> Like I said, most people are too intimidated. Only good old Al and the
> Stephen Greens of this world dare. And Rovert Mugabe, and the President
> of Israel, and a group of Rabbis and Catholic Priests in New York, and
> the former homosexuals who run Homosexuals Anonymous in America...
More and more interesting.
Forgive my ignorance but who are 'good old Al' and 'Stephen Greens'?
I have some knowledge of the 'ex-gay' movement as I run a local referral
service for the many people who suffer as a result of their activities.
Our local branch of 'gay curers' here in Ipswich (U-turn Anglia) is/was
run by a sad man called George Harvey who drove his gay son to suicide
some 10 years ago and is on the record as being glad that he did it.
It has taken me much time and money to stop him from advertising his evil
practises but I'm happy to say that his UK financial backers have now
withdrawn their support and his US backers were so upset by the details I
sent them of his 3 previous bankruptcies (for a total of 978,554 ukp)
that they have set the local fraud squad onto him.
You quote a nasty African dictator, the Israeli president (who is
he/she?), various un-named rabbis and RC priests and a few poor deluded
idiots of the US 'ex-gay' movement in support of your views. Surely you
can do better than this? :)
I also note that you seem reluctant to reply to any of my comments. A big
strong heterosexual chap like yourself surely isn't intimidated by a self
deluded deviant like me... or are you??
Patrick.
Ree-shar
> As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
> minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead guilty.
Out of curiosity, *which* disgusting practices are we talking about?
And which would you identify as never occuring in str8 relationships?
To my knowledge there aren't any.
As a guideline, since you're not talking about gays but their
disgusting practices, you're not allowed to make a distinction between
men sucking dicks and women sucking dicks. The practice is one and the
same.
Richard
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Ree-shar
On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:47:02 GMT, k...@kenski.demon.co.uk wrote:
> A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>
> >As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
> >minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead guilty.
>
> You can't really judge them as disgusting until you try them :-)
>
> I felt the same way about mussels before I had them in black bean
> sauce...
If I stand back from it, I find str8 sex rather disgusting really.
It's hardly dignified for humans who like to place themselves so far
above the rest of the animal kingdom. In fact, my wife and I have
always believed that the Queen never actually "does it". Her kids just
appeared by immaculate conception, a much more satisfactory and clean
solution - at least until we come to the birth! *waaaaaaagh*
The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
too!
Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
Ree-shar
Alexander Baron
In article <34183EF1...@yeahright.co.uk>
ma...@yeahright.co.uk "Matt Brown" writes:
> In fact, you can count on gay people to "predominantly" support moves
> for greater freedoms such as anti-racism, anti-sexism, equal
> opportunities for minorities in the workplace, the right to safely walk
> the streets, in fact the end of all discriminatory practices that focus
> on gender, skin colour or sexual preference. If that's curtailing your
> freedom to be a homophobic racist sexist violent tosser, then sorry pal,
> fuck off and live somewhere else 'cos personally I'm not going to change
> my life to fit in with you.
I don't want you to change your life I just want you to die of AIDS, but
not in my shop, house or any other property I own, etc. Obviously you think
you have that "right" and that it should be enshrined in law. So much for
freedom.
> Bullshit. It was moved out of Brockwell Park because the festival was
> getting too large for the Park to comfortably contain, and because
> Lambeth Council were sick of picking up the bill for collecting the
> litter for three years in a row. Minor gay-bashing incidents occur at
> every Pride, no matter what its location, because they are some truly
> sick people out there.
There was a big article in one of the "gay" press about local black youths
beating up queers. I don't do this myself and wouldn't recommend it, being
a non-violent type - but it does show that everyone is sick to death of
you politically correct pricks.
> People comfortable with their
> heterosexual status don't have a problem with gays. You appear to, and
> it makes me wonder why.
This is an old chestnut of queer propaganda: anyone who finds queers and
their practices revolting must be a repressed queer himself. I suppose that
includes Mary Whitehouse and anyone else who wants to stop your poisoning
the minds of the young.
--
David Quinton
In message <873993151.6811.0...@news.demon.co.uk> -
k...@kenski.demon.co.ukThu, 11 Sep 1997 15:47:02 GMT writes:
:>
:>A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:
:>
:>>As to my being a bigot, all you are saying is that I am evil or narrow
:>>minded for expressing revulsion at disgusting practices. I plead guilty.
:>
:>You can't really judge them as disgusting until you try them :-)
:>
:>I felt the same way about mussels before I had them in black bean
:>sauce...
Are you sure of your spelling of "mussels"?
Alexander Baron
In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
> The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
> those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
> too!
>
> Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
> pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
>
This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
Alexander Baron
In article <341a5aa7...@news.demon.co.uk>
g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
> As a guideline, since you're not talking about gays but their
> disgusting practices, you're not allowed to make a distinction between
> men sucking dicks and women sucking dicks. The practice is one and the
> same.
If you're a queer yourself you know what I'm referring to; if you're not
you know too and you're just playing dumb. If you genuinely do not, try
reading some of the literature. I would suggest Michael Fumento's The
Myth of Heterosexual AIDS as a starting point.
JohnD
On Sat, 13 Sep 97 07:28:12 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
wrote:
>In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>
>> The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
>> those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
>> too!
>>
>> Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
>> pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
>>
>
>This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
>their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
People like what? People with a sense of humour perhaps. Now it starts to become
clear, Mr Baron is a misanthropist plain and simple.
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Leo
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>> The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
>> those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
>> too!
>> Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
>> pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
>This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
>their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
Good grief, you're certainly drowning in yours... and you seem so sane
on the other threads!
<fx:sudden dawning realisation> You're trolling, aren't you? Duh!
--
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"I am only free in so far as I recognise the humanity and respect the
liberty of all the men surrounding me." -Bakunin
Ree-shar
> In article <341a5aa7...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>
> > As a guideline, since you're not talking about gays but their
> > disgusting practices, you're not allowed to make a distinction between
> > men sucking dicks and women sucking dicks. The practice is one and the
> > same.
>
> If you're a queer yourself you know what I'm referring to; if you're not
> you know too and you're just playing dumb. If you genuinely do not, try
> reading some of the literature. I would suggest Michael Fumento's The
> Myth of Heterosexual AIDS as a starting point.
Perhaps you're the one who's playing dumb. So let me just say that all
the "disgusting practices" you might care to mention are practised by
str8 and gay couples alike. Including anal sex to which I assume you
are alluding. But then perhaps you don't realise that some women like
to be buggered?
Richard
Leo
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>> The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
>> those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
>> too!
>> Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
>> pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
>This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
>their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
Good grief, you're certainly drowning in yours... and you seem so sane
on the other threads!
Frederick
In article <874087...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, Alexander Baron
<A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk> spurts
>
>I don't want you to change your life I just want you to die of AIDS, but
>not in my shop, house or any other property I own, etc. Obviously you think
>you have that "right" and that it should be enshrined in law. So much for
>freedom.
>
cottaging he could not resist! :)
fred
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Patrick Mcdonnell
A_Baron wrote:
> I would suggest Michael Fumento's The
> Myth of Heterosexual AIDS as a starting point.
I have read this book. I have also worked in Uganda and seen the dreadful
effects of AIDS on some 30% of the population there.
IMV, the reality of heterosexually transmitted HIV/AIDS in Uganda
conflicts utterly with the views expressed in said book.
Patrick.
David Quinton
In message <3421d58f...@newnews.demon.co.uk> - johnny_d/at/mindless.com
(JohnD) writes:
:>
:>On Sat, 13 Sep 97 07:28:12 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
:>wrote:
:>
:>>In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
:>> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
:>>
:>>> The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
:>>> those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
:>>> too!
:>>>
:>>> Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
:>>> pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
:>>>
:>>
:>>This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
:>>their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
:>People like what? People with a sense of humour perhaps. Now it starts to become
:>clear, Mr Baron is a misanthropist plain and simple.
Better stick to _short_ words for our Mr B <G>
Matt Brown
Alexander Baron wrote:
> Ree-shar wrote:
> > Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
> > pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
>
> This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
> their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
Charming. Remind me not to shed a tear when you get your head kicked in,
too.
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes
> himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
"He who bellows the truth can piss off, I prefer a bit of peace and
quiet." - Matt Brown
Joy Hilbert
Patrick Mcdonnell <lo...@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes
>Forgive my ignorance but who are 'good old Al' and 'Stephen Greens'?
>
Family Association. He is unusual among anti-sex bigots in opposing
some married heterosexual practices ("menstrual intercourse") as well as
the usual homosexual and non-marital sexual activities in his rants.
--
Joy Hilbert
Patrick Mcdonnell
Rupert wrote:
> > I have some knowledge of the 'ex-gay' movement as I run a local
> > referral service for the many people who suffer as a result of their
> > activities. Our local branch of 'gay curers' here in Ipswich (U-turn
> > Anglia) is/was run by a sad man called George Harvey who drove his
> > gay son to suicide some 10 years ago and is on the record as being
> > glad that he did it.
> >
> > It has taken me much time and money to stop him from advertising his
> > evil practises but I'm happy to say that his UK financial backers
> > have now withdrawn their support and his US backers were so upset by
> > the details I sent them of his 3 previous bankruptcies (for a total
> > of 978,554 ukp) that they have set the local fraud squad onto him.
>
> Well done!
I knew Simon Harvey (George H's son) quite well and having been put
through 'cures' myself as a teenager (homosexuality was a crime then) was
so upset at his death that I felt driven to action.
G Harvey used to run an advert in the local paper.. "Can homosexuals
change? Thousands have! For Christian counselling phone etc..."
I complained to paper who refused to speak to me. So I complained to the
Advertising Standards Authority on the grounds of truth and demanded a
list of 1001 or more 'cured' homosexuals. Much to my surprise [NOT] they
could not produce such a list and the advert ceased.
I circularised all MPs, MEPs, local councillors and senior UK clergy on a
monthly basis, providing all the latest details on G Harvey and his
victims.
From the enormous response I received, ISTM that what was needed was the
'oxygen of publicity' to expose these evil practises, so I hustled
various TV luvvies to do documentaries on the evil GH. Three were made
and broadcast with the full co-operation of G Harvey. Especially
effective were the concealed camera shots of an enraged GH kicking
flowers off Simon's unmarked grave.
Luckily, the sisters of perpetual indulgence were kind enough to cause
grief to "a certain UK supermarket" whose family trust fund was financing
the various UK gay curers (said curers usually operate as AIDS charities).
The sisters were equipped with stickers saying "Homophobia.. not our
favourite ingredient" and stuck them on products and shelves on a
nationwide basis. :-)
I was given considerable grief by solicitors and several of the gay
'great and good' for being unpleasant about a charity which gave over 1
million ukp/year to AIDS charities, even after explaining what the
buggers actually did by way of charity... "repent your evil ways and the
Lord will cure you." :(
The final stroke came quite by accident when an American friend told me
that Southern Baptists view bankruptcy as a judgement of God. It seems
that they view financial soundness as a reward from God for the righteous
only.
I'm nasty and sneaky when I'm roused. :-)
Patrick.
Rupert Thompson
In article <EGJyx...@cix.compulink.co.uk>, Patrick Mcdonnell
<URL:mailto:lo...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The final stroke came quite by accident when an American friend told me
> that Southern Baptists view bankruptcy as a judgement of God. It seems
> that they view financial soundness as a reward from God for the righteous
> only.
Which just goes to show that the Lord moves in mysterious ways :-)
> I'm nasty and sneaky when I'm roused. :-)
Ahem!
Adam Kightley
Alexander Baron (A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> I don't want you to change your life I just want you to die of AIDS, but
Is this view also shared by the silent majority? If so, does that make
it any less vile, hateful and inhuman?
(I can't remember the results of the last opinion poll, but I doubt that
one person in a hundred has attitudes like the above.)
> There was a big article in one of the "gay" press about local black youths
> beating up queers. I don't do this myself and wouldn't recommend it, being
> a non-violent type - but it does show that everyone is sick to death of
> you politically correct pricks.
A 12 year old boy was beaten nearly to death in Hounslow last Tuesday.
He is of Asian origin and the son of a policeman. Are we to conclude that
"everyone" is sick to death of Asians or of policemen?
AJK
--
Adam Kightley A.J.Ki...@sussex.ac.uk
Unix Systems Programmer, University of Sussex Computing Service, UK
WWW page will go here when I get around to making it. Ditto PGP key
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <874135...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote thus:
> In article <341b5c20...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>
> > The problem with all this is that I rather enjoy str8 sex despite all
> > those ghaaaastly bodily fluids flowing around. And, ahem, the gay sex
> > too!
> >
> > Perhaps you should give cock-sucking a whirl, Alexander, before
> > pronouncing judgment... *giggle*
> >
>
> This is one reason I don't shed any tears when people like you have
> their heads busted. Drown in your own poison.
You're no fun at all.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <874087...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote thus:
> There was a big article in one of the "gay" press about local black youths
> beating up queers. I don't do this myself and wouldn't recommend it, being
> a non-violent type
You just did my dear - oh dear me no, you're definitely not fun...
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <874135...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote thus:
> In article <341a5aa7...@news.demon.co.uk>
> g...@blow.your.mind "Ree-shar" writes:
>
> > As a guideline, since you're not talking about gays but their
> > disgusting practices, you're not allowed to make a distinction between
> > men sucking dicks and women sucking dicks. The practice is one and the
> > same.
>
> If you're a queer yourself you know what I'm referring to; if you're not
> you know too and you're just playing dumb. If you genuinely do not, try
> reading some of the literature. I would suggest Michael Fumento's The
> Myth of Heterosexual AIDS as a starting point.
I bet you're the sort who gets it out of the library and colours all the pictures
with felt pens.
Alexander Baron
In article <5vje26$5nv$1...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>
ada...@central.susx.ac.uk "Adam Kightley" writes:
> A 12 year old boy was beaten nearly to death in Hounslow last Tuesday.
> He is of Asian origin and the son of a policeman. Are we to conclude that
> "everyone" is sick to death of Asians or of policemen?
They should beat that piece of slime from New Scotland Yard to death,
the scum who tried to destroy my life. I'd give them a medal.
--
David Quinton
In message <874344...@abaron.demon.co.uk> - A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk
(Alexander Baron) writes:
:>
:>In article <5vje26$5nv$1...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>
:> ada...@central.susx.ac.uk "Adam Kightley" writes:
:>
:>> A 12 year old boy was beaten nearly to death in Hounslow last Tuesday.
:>> He is of Asian origin and the son of a policeman. Are we to conclude that
:>> "everyone" is sick to death of Asians or of policemen?
:>
:>They should beat that piece of slime from New Scotland Yard to death,
:>the scum who tried to destroy my life. I'd give them a medal.
:>
Ignoring the last... ISTR that the lad (Policeman's son) was *white* but was
(a peripheral part) of a "gang" who suffered retaliation for as previous
White-on-Asian attack.
But maybe I've got it wrong. IIRC this was just *one* argument used in this
now moribund Thread.
Alexander Baron
In article <E0lhECAv...@moseley1.demon.co.uk>
jon...@moseley1.demon.co.uk "Jonathan Bratt" writes:
> Driven out? You're talking through your ass
> again.
Rather talk through mine than what you degenerates use yours for.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <874621...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk
(Alexander Baron) wrote thus:
> In article <E0lhECAv...@moseley1.demon.co.uk>
Strange and defamatory that a bigot uses Peguy.
"In 1913, Charles Peguy, then forty and an unlikely combination of poet,
journalist, Socialist, and Roman Catholic, made the
famous and oft-repeated statement that the world had changed less since the
death of Jesus than it had in the last thirty years. ...
So what of Peguy's ... triggering observation that culture and its tools had
changed more in thirty years than in the previous
1900? ...
It is _still_ true that things have changed more in the last thirty years than
in all the time since Christ. Since it is _still_ true, than
_nothing_ has changed since Peguy. Social culture has taken tail in mouth and
rolled a benzene ring. Art takes itself as both
subject and content: post-modernism about painting, serialism anbout musical
composition, constructivist novels about fiction.
At that, the century has become _about_ itself, history about history: a still,
eclectic, universally reflexive, uniformly diverse,
closed circle, the homogeneous debris in space following a nova. Nothing can
take place in this century without some coincident
event linking it into a conspiratorial whole.
Peguy himself suffered from the self-modifying nature of his own observation.
His life changed more in the year following his
statement than it had in the forty before it. All his eclectic, simultaneously
held beliefs - Catholicism, mysticism, socialism,
aestheticism - paled before the Ism he received at the Battle of the Marne, only
a month after the start of the war. Separate
casualty figures for the Marne are difficult to determine, but at least a few
hundred thousand received baptism into the same
terminal belief as Peguy's. And they have held that faith now longer than any
living conviction. It may well turn out to be the
century's triggering and most durable religion.
-- Richard Powers, Three Farmers On Their Way to a Dance "
MYM - http://www.archdruid.demon.co.uk
For words are wise men's counters, they do but reckon by them; but they are the
money of fools. Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan. I.iv.
Joy Hilbert
>Alexander Baron wrote:
>politically correct pricks.
Wot a relief!
Most whiny excuses for men, like yourself, claim you cannot _be_
politically correct and still have a prick.
I recommend cocksucking, too, btw. Got any rude words for me?
--
Joy Hilbert
Anthony & Joy Hilbert
mcyatdemondotnet <?@?.?> writes
>I bet you're the sort who gets it out of the library and colours all the
>pictures
>with felt pens.
>
if there was more than one side to it) discussion about him on
soc.support.fat-acceptance at the moment. He seems to think that people
can be made to be thin simply by having narrower seats in theatres etc.
Wonder how he thinks people can be made hettie?
--
Joy Hilbert
Will your weight be on your tombstone? Will your family talk about your clothing
sizes or about the love you've given them? Are you a number or a person?
- Leanna Kennedy-Alvis
Alexander Baron
In article <$x32RSA0...@hilbert.demon.co.uk>
hil...@hilbert.demon.co.uk "Joy Hilbert" writes:
>
> I recommend cocksucking, too, btw. Got any rude words for me?
How about slag, which is obviously what you are.
Joy Hilbert
Alexander Baron writes
>> I recommend cocksucking, too, btw. Got any rude words for me?
>
>How about slag, which is obviously what you are.
>
her sexuality", which is perfectly true.
Or you could mean "rock that has had the coal taken out of it". I'm
hurt!
--
Joy Hilbert
Joy Hilbert
Alexander Baron writes
>I made a study of homosexuality a while back as part of my research on
>David Irving. Anyone who has studied homosexual practices will agree with
>me. Anyone with a brain who is not thoroughly perverted.
>
This is rather puzzling, because I can't think of any homosexual
practices which are not exactly the same as heterosexual practices save
that there are two MOTSS involved. In fact, there is a heterosexual act
- vaginal intercourse - but no specific homosexual acts (except perhaps
mutual fellatio or cunnilingus).
So which act were you referring to? Don't be shy, we're not easily
shocked here.
--
Joy Hilbert
Alexander Baron
In article <970920...@parkyns.intonet.co.uk>
par...@intonet.co.uk "Bill Parkyns" writes:
>
> Firstly, Mr Baron, you may like to note that (a) Not all homosexual
> couples
A couple is a man and a woman; a man and a man is an abomination. If
you're trying to tell me there are abstinent homosexuals that's a bit
like saying there are abstnent thieves. Homosexuals are defined by their
acts.
engage in anal intercourse and (b) that a significant proportion
> of heterosexual couples _do_ engage in anal intercourse.
So they tell me, this is largely queer propaganda. I don't doubt that
normal people do sometimes practice anal sex, like maybe one woman in
20 tries it once or twice in her life, but it is impossible to find
meaningful statistics.
> Secondly, you may like to note that most homosexual or bisexual people
> are just as worthy, hardworking, taxpaying, law-abiding, clever, kindly
> and decent as are most heterosexual people. This rather destroys your
> implied contention that homosexual or bisexual people are "degenerates".
I don't deny that homosexuals can work hard - so can burglars - or that
they are oppressed by taxes - so is the Queen - or that they can be clever -
so were Hitler and Stalin - or well mannered - so was that "nice" Ted
Bundy who murdered, sodomised and desecrated the corpses of twenty or
more young women - are you saying he wasn't a degenerate? What's your point?
>
> Of course, there are some homosexual people who are pretty degenerate.
By definition
> But then there are some heterosexual people who are also pretty
> degenerate. (Fred and Rosie West, for instance.) It is therefore
> clearly the case that there is no causal connection between homo-
> or hetero-sexuality and degeneracy.
False logic; homosexuality is not a necessary cause of degeneracy
but it is certainly one.
> Thirdly, I am certainly not a degenerate, Mr Baron. Please keep
> your epithets to yourself in future.
Apologies given, you sounded like a faggot, it's unfortunate that many
normal people have been taken in by their propaganda and miss no
opportunity to spread it.
Rupert Thompson
In article <874827...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, Alexander Baron
<URL:mailto:A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <970920...@parkyns.intonet.co.uk>
> par...@intonet.co.uk "Bill Parkyns" writes:
> > Secondly, you may like to note that most homosexual or bisexual people
> > are just as worthy, hardworking, taxpaying, law-abiding, clever, kindly
> > and decent as are most heterosexual people. This rather destroys your
> > implied contention that homosexual or bisexual people are "degenerates".
>
> I don't deny that homosexuals can work hard - so can burglars - or that
> they are oppressed by taxes - so is the Queen - or that they can be clever -
> so were Hitler and Stalin - or well mannered - so was that "nice" Ted
> Bundy who murdered, sodomised and desecrated the corpses of twenty or
> more young women - are you saying he wasn't a degenerate? What's your point?
You missed out "worthy", "law-abiding", "kindly" and "decent", none of which
apply to any of your examples except the Queen - the relevance of
whom to your "argument" is unclear.
> False logic; homosexuality is not a necessary cause of degeneracy
> but it is certainly one.
Homosexuals may be degenerate _per accidens_ - as may you heterosexuals;
we are not degenerate _per se_ because of our sexuality. You are
confusing necessary cause, sufficient antecedent and accidental property.
Read some Aristotle.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <ant21222...@RJET1.quns.cam.ac.uk>, rj...@cam.ac.uk (Rupert
Thompson) wrote thus:
> Homosexuals may be degenerate _per accidens_ - as may you heterosexuals;
> we are not degenerate _per se_ because of our sexuality. You are
> confusing necessary cause, sufficient antecedent and accidental property.
> Read some Aristotle.
Don't bother with him - he's just a trashy troller.
Joy Hilbert
Alexander Baron writes
>A couple is a man and a woman; a man and a man is an abomination.
What, then, is a woman and a woman?
What is a man and two women?
<rest of emotional instability snipped>
--
Joy Hilbert
Adam Kightley
Alexander Baron (A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> In article <970920...@parkyns.intonet.co.uk>
> par...@intonet.co.uk "Bill Parkyns" writes:
> >
> > couples
>
Argument by assertion. Proves nothing.
> you're trying to tell me there are abstinent homosexuals that's a bit
> like saying there are abstnent thieves. Homosexuals are defined by their
> acts.
No, a homosexual is generally defined as a person who is primarily
attracted to members of their own sex. If you wish to use your own
private definition (which appears to be "a person who engages in anal
intercourse"), it would be a good idea to point this out in advance.
Two otherwise identical gay couples might differ only in whether they
partake in anal sex. Neither are "absinent", both are homosexual.
> engage in anal intercourse and (b) that a significant proportion
> > of heterosexual couples _do_ engage in anal intercourse.
>
> So they tell me, this is largely queer propaganda. I don't doubt that
> normal people do sometimes practice anal sex, like maybe one woman in
> 20 tries it once or twice in her life, but it is impossible to find
> meaningful statistics.
I have never seen a study that gives such a low figure. Given that most
surveys are likely to under-report "taboo" behaviour, it is clear the
real figure is likely to be higher. But even if the figure is as small
as you claim, it gives the lie to the idea that there are unique,
perverted "homosexual acts".
> > Secondly, you may like to note that most homosexual or bisexual people
> > are just as worthy, hardworking, taxpaying, law-abiding, clever, kindly
> > and decent as are most heterosexual people. This rather destroys your
> > implied contention that homosexual or bisexual people are "degenerates".
>
> I don't deny that homosexuals can work hard - so can burglars - or that
> they are oppressed by taxes - so is the Queen - or that they can be clever -
> so were Hitler and Stalin - or well mannered - so was that "nice" Ted
> Bundy who murdered, sodomised and desecrated the corpses of twenty or
> more young women - are you saying he wasn't a degenerate? What's your point?
Very weak. By showing that each of these "non-degenerate" qualities
also existed in a "nasty" person, you ignore the actual argument,
instead implying that each individual property was being given given as
proof of "non-degeneracy", rather than the sum total. Without wishing
to put words in the mouth of the quoted poster, the point is that if
homosexuals were degenerate, there would be some proof in moral or other
standards. There is none.
> > Of course, there are some homosexual people who are pretty degenerate.
>
> By definition
So, when you claim that homosexuals are degenerate, you are actually
claiming that homosexuals are homosexual?
AJK
Alexander Baron
In article <ant21222...@RJET1.quns.cam.ac.uk>
rj...@cam.ac.uk "Rupert Thompson" writes:
>
> You missed out "worthy", "law-abiding", "kindly" and "decent", none of which
> apply to any of your examples except the Queen - the relevance of
> whom to your "argument" is unclear.
Worthy of what, dying of AIDS? Most of us are law abiding most of the time.
Sex crimes aside including consensual sex crimes (which I don't believe should
be crimes) queers have a tendency to kite cheques but don't appear to be
particularly active in other fields, except murder and sadism. Kindly, what does
that mean, kind to young boys? I'm sure. Decent, yeah, sure, just don't do
it in the road and frighten the horses.
> Homosexuals may be degenerate _per accidens_ - as may you heterosexuals;
> we are not degenerate _per se_ because of our sexuality. You are
> confusing necessary cause, sufficient antecedent and accidental property.
> Read some Aristotle.
Yeah, well, we all know about the ancient Greeks, don't we.
--
Alexander Baron,
93c Venner Road,
Sydenham,
London SE26 5HU.
England.
+44 (0)181 659 7713
E-Mail A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK
Rupert Thompson
In article <874911...@abaron.demon.co.uk>, Alexander Baron
<URL:mailto:A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant21222...@RJET1.quns.cam.ac.uk>
> rj...@cam.ac.uk "Rupert Thompson" writes:
> > Read some Aristotle.
>
> Yeah, well, we all know about the ancient Greeks, don't we.
Evidently not. Aristotle was from Chalcidice in Macdenoia, and therefore
not inherently Greek.
Rupert Thompson
In article <memo.19970923...@mcy.demon.co.uk>, Mark Ynys-Mon
<URL:mailto:mcyatdemondotnet@> wrote:
> In article <ant23131...@RJET1.quns.cam.ac.uk>, rj...@cam.ac.uk
> (Rupert Thompson) wrote thus:
>
> >
> > Evidently not. Aristotle was from Chalcidice in Macdenoia
>
<embarrassed look>
Keyboard skills, who needs 'em?
> > and therefore not inherently Greek.
>
> No, he was a Hellene (cue the Mad Prophet Ezekiel)
*snigger*
Mark Ynys-Mon
> > Yeah, well, we all know about the ancient Greeks, don't we.
>
> Evidently not. Aristotle was from Chalcidice in Macdenoia
Is that near Macdenoife?
> and therefore not inherently Greek.
No, he was a Hellene (cue the Mad Prophet Ezekiel)
MYM - http://www.archdruid.demon.co.uk
Patrick Mcdonnell
A_Baron wrote:
> A couple is a man and a woman; a man and a man is an abomination. If
> you're trying to tell me there are abstinent homosexuals that's a bit
> like saying there are abstnent thieves. Homosexuals are defined by their
> acts.
Oh dear!
Homosexuals have three options. (a) to be celibate (b) to try and pretend
to be heterosexual or (c) to follow their feelings.
I think that your *abomination* refers to option (c)... the practising
homosexual.
Two question for you.
Why do you think that the practise of option (c) is an abomination?
The term 'abomination' sounds a bit Leviticus to me. Do you base your
beliefs on said book? OTOH, if you follow the other prohibitions within
that book (such as no paying or receiving of interest, no mixed fibre
clothing, no haircuts, no indoor funerals, no menstruating women in the
house etc) then fair enough.
Why do you exclude the term 'couple' (meaning a pair or two of) from the
term homosexual when there are plenty of such couples about? You may not
approve of us but its silly to pretend that we don't exist. :-)
I have lived happily (in the main) for the last 17 years with the same
homosexual partner. I consider us a 'couple' as do my red-neck rural
neighbours. We get joint invites to parish and county events, joint
Christmas cards, joint electricity bills and even got a joint invite to
Buckingham Palace when Chris's dad got his CBE.
In your view, we are abominable... in the view of the remainder of
society we are mebbie a bit unusual but quite acceptable nonetheless.
Perhaps its just my PR skills? :-)
Patrick.
Alexander Baron
In article <606a5m$q9v$1...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>
ada...@central.susx.ac.uk "Adam Kightley" writes:
> > > Of course, there are some homosexual people who are pretty degenerate.
That's a neat point, what, in your humble opinion must a homosexual do to
be classed as a degenerate?
> >
> > By definition
>
> So, when you claim that homosexuals are degenerate, you are actually
> claiming that homosexuals are homosexual?
No, I'm claiming that homosexual acts are degenerate, ditto the people
who perform them. Up until about 40 years ago everybody knew this.
Homosexuality was classed as a disease, a perversion. There has been
no medical evidence in the past 40 years to suggest that this diagnosis
was wrong, what there has been is a lot of yelping and screaming by
the organised homosexual movement and their ugly fellow travellers about
queers being "oppressed", ie everybody hates us so we must be. People didn't
hate queers in order to oppress them, they hated them because they were
revolted by what they did. 40 years ago if I'd said this in public nobody
would have batted an eyelid, but now I'm branded a bigot.
Alexander Baron
In article <342c9600...@news.demon.co.uk>
horn...@geocities.com.delete-bit-after-com! "Matt" writes:
> Alexander you are obviously Anal retentive, you just need a good man
> to give it a good stretching for you..........
>
> See you next Tuesday
>
I know that one: C.U. Next Tuesday. I should warn you that my "homophobia"
is completely rational so you won't wind me up by making obscene suggestions.
All you will do is expose yourself to the world for what you are, lowlife
and slime. Now go away and die of AIDS.
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <3429cddf...@news.demon.co.uk>, g...@blow.your.mind
(Ree-shar) wrote thus:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 97 06:56:49 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
> Baron) wrote:
>
> > Alexander Baron,
> > 93c Venner Road,
> > Sydenham,
> > London SE26 5HU.
> > England.
> > +44 (0)181 659 7713
>
> Bloody hell! He only lives a mile away from me!
I know - he is a demon customer after all - very unusual for a troller to
give their address and phone number out!
Rupert Thompson
In article <memo.19970924...@mcy.demon.co.uk>, Mark Ynys-Mon
<URL:mailto:mcyatdemondotnet@> wrote:
> In article <3429cddf...@news.demon.co.uk>, g...@blow.your.mind
> (Ree-shar) wrote thus:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 97 06:56:49 GMT, A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
> > Baron) wrote:
> >
> > > Alexander Baron,
> > > 93c Venner Road,
> > > Sydenham,
> > > London SE26 5HU.
> > > England.
> > > +44 (0)181 659 7713
> >
> > Bloody hell! He only lives a mile away from me!
>
> I know - he is a demon customer after all - very unusual for a troller to
> give their address and phone number out!
Perchance this is a new form of personal? Sort of taking advantage
of the "vocal homophobe = closet case" theory?
Ree-shar
> Alexander Baron,
> 93c Venner Road,
> Sydenham,
> London SE26 5HU.
> England.
> +44 (0)181 659 7713
Bloody hell! He only lives a mile away from me!
I'll have to be especially careful, then, not to scare his horses by
kissing a motss publicly in the street.
I have an awful urge to lurk outside his flat and see what a real
bigot looks like, but I'll resist it! ;-)
Ree-shar
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If you wanna write to me, use the address formed by putting an @
between "rick" and "coopinf.demon.co.uk". Should be a doddle
if you've ever built anything using Blue Peter instructions ;-)
Lyn David Thomas
In article: <3429005...@news.demon.co.uk>
horn...@geocities.com.delete-bit-after-com! (Matt) writes:
> So howabout organising a "snog-in" outside his house one weekend ?
I'm game, haven't done on of those for years!
--
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*Lyn David Thomas* \/
web pages now at:
http://www.stuffing.demon.co.uk/lyn/
Joy Hilbert
Matt <horn...@geocities.com.delete-bit-after-com!> writes
>Alexander you are obviously Anal retentive, you just need a good man
>to give it a good stretching for you..........
Make sure you use your arm, though, wouldn't want to do any of these
sinful homosexuals acts would you?
(-:
Besides, your arm is probably bigger...
--
Joy Hilbert
Adam Kightley
Alexander Baron (A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> In article <606a5m$q9v$1...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>
> ada...@central.susx.ac.uk "Adam Kightley" writes:
>
> > > > Of course, there are some homosexual people who are pretty degenerate.
>
> That's a neat point, what, in your humble opinion must a homosexual do to
> be classed as a degenerate?
Your attribution is incorrect; I did not write the above sentence.
> No, I'm claiming that homosexual acts are degenerate, ditto the people
> who perform them.
As you have utterly failed to define "homosexual acts" or even suggest
a single example, the above makes no sense.
> Up until about 40 years ago everybody knew this.
Argumentum ad antiquitatem. People have "known" all sorts of daft things
in the past. There have also been many times in history when homosexuality
has been perfectly acceptable.
> Homosexuality was classed as a disease, a perversion. There has been
> no medical evidence in the past 40 years to suggest that this diagnosis
> was wrong,
There has been no medical evidence in the past 400 years to suggest that
homosexuality *is* a disease. As for perversions, oral sex has also been
widely classed as such in the recent past - it is not medical evidence
that has led to it no longer being viewed as such, simply a more
sensible moral outlook.
> didn't hate queers in order to oppress them, they hated them because they
> were revolted by what they did.
I'm fairly revolted by what brain surgeons, sewerage workers and
heavyweight boxers do, but I don't hate them for that reason.
> 40 years ago if I'd said this in public
> nobody would have batted an eyelid, but now I'm branded a bigot.
I think you're being branded a bigot more for saying things like:
> I don't shed any tears when people like you have their heads busted.
and
> I don't want you to change your life I just want you to die of AIDS,
than for making weak appeals to historical precedence.
AJK
Mark Ynys-Mon
In article <EH2C7...@cix.compulink.co.uk>, lo...@cix.compulink.co.uk
("Patrick Mcdonnell") wrote thus:
> You may be a nutter, but you're a nutter with balls. :-))
Or a thicky who didn't realise...
Patrick Mcdonnell
A_Baron wrote:
> > > > Of course, there are some homosexual people who are pretty
> > > > degenerate.
>
> That's a neat point, what, in your humble opinion must a homosexual do
> to be classed as a degenerate?
> > >
> > > By definition
> >
> > So, when you claim that homosexuals are degenerate, you are actually
> > claiming that homosexuals are homosexual?
>
> No, I'm claiming that homosexual acts are degenerate, ditto the people
> who perform them. Up until about 40 years ago everybody knew this.
> Homosexuality was classed as a disease, a perversion. There has been
> no medical evidence in the past 40 years to suggest that this diagnosis
> was wrong, what there has been is a lot of yelping and screaming by
> the organised homosexual movement and their ugly fellow travellers about
> queers being "oppressed", ie everybody hates us so we must be. People
> didn't
> hate queers in order to oppress them, they hated them because they were
> revolted by what they did. 40 years ago if I'd said this in public
> nobody
> would have batted an eyelid, but now I'm branded a bigot.
>
>
> --
>
> Alexander Baron,
> 93c Venner Road,
> Sydenham,
> London SE26 5HU.
> England.
> +44 (0)181 659 7713
> E-Mail A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK
From what you say, I reckon that you have a phobia about anal sexual
intercourse and that you prolly are a bigot when it comes to sweeping
generalisations about people with a homosexual sexuality.
OTOH I've got a certain admiration for a 'phobe who isn't shy about who
he is and where he lives (inc telephone numbers :)
You may be a nutter, but you're a nutter with balls. :-))
Patrick.
Peter Theakston
Who the fuck does this Alexander Baron bloke think he is pontificating that
homosexuals are degenerate. If that's his opinion fine..but he should keep
it to himself..and anyway you know what they say about those people who are
so anti-gay...scared stiff of themselves and why is he fishing through gay
newsgroups anyway..because he's gagging for it !!
Well mate people with ugly personalities aren't welcome here..so bog off.
Thanks I feel better now :-))
See ya
Peter