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Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 3:21:32 AM5/21/08
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What's up?

Since I planted plants, of course my tomatoes and celery and parsley are
quite visible, although the cool temperatures are preventing a lot of
advance.

Among the seeded things so far I can see lettuce, swiss chard, radishes and
cucumbers. No beans at all yet.

The raspberries are looking robust after mulching with 3 year old manure.

How's yours?

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Anne Chambers

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May 21, 2008, 3:33:19 AM5/21/08
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Herb garden flourishing, winter seedlings (kale, broccoli, cabbages
etc.) coming on well, ready to be planted out in a few weeks.

:)

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Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Mike....

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May 21, 2008, 3:57:14 AM5/21/08
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Following up to Giusi

> No beans at all yet.
>
> The raspberries are looking robust after mulching with 3 year old manure.
>
> How's yours?

no beans! My broad beans are just about flowering. Strawberries in flower,
asparagus past its first flush.
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Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 3:57:23 AM5/21/08
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"Anne Chambers" <an...@privacy.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Giusi wrote:
>> What's up?
>>
>> Since I planted plants, of course my tomatoes and celery and parsley are
>> quite visible, although the cool temperatures are preventing a lot of
>> advance.
>>
>> Among the seeded things so far I can see lettuce, swiss chard, radishes
>> and cucumbers. No beans at all yet.
>>
>> The raspberries are looking robust after mulching with 3 year old manure.
>>
>> How's yours?
>>
> Herb garden flourishing, winter seedlings (kale, broccoli, cabbages etc.)
> coming on well, ready to be planted out in a few weeks.


Well, duh! I deserved that little surprise because I have a friend in NZ
who reluctantly lets me have spring back-- so far.

I must discover when to plant the winter stuff, because I wasted a whole
year getting wormy root crops and gave up, but I've already bought the seeds
this year. Brocolli rabe, brocolli, cabbages, swiss chard again, turnips or
even rutabagas! (swedes?) and pčeas because I missed the spring
possibilities due to a crane sitting on my land.


Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 4:03:33 AM5/21/08
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"Mike...." <mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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I do not plant broad beans which like cold, but runner beans and bush beans,
and those only a week or so ago. They like HEAT. As do my poor tomatoes,
who look like those schoolgirls who wear mini skirts and shrink tops in
winter and then try to look sexy near the school gates.


Anne Chambers

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May 21, 2008, 4:36:12 AM5/21/08
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Giusi wrote:
> I missed the spring
> possibilities due to a crane sitting on my land.
>
>
of the avian or metal persuasion ?

I had forgotten about swiss chard, must look for last year's seed.
Thanks :)

Bertie Doe

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May 21, 2008, 5:34:23 AM5/21/08
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"Giusi" < wrote in message
On the allotment coming through are : French climbing beans, garden peas and
potatoes. In the greenhouse ready to plant out soon : perpetual spinach,
leeks, lettuce, turnips, courgettes, pumpkins and cauliflowers.
First pair of cucumbers died but second pair are doing fine. My 3 tomatoe
plants are very slow. Only 1 foot tall and starting to flower already.
Should I pinch the flowers out?

Bertie
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http://www.geocities.com/cumberpach/


Sacha

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May 21, 2008, 9:19:03 AM5/21/08
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On 21/5/08 09:36, in article 69i57tF...@mid.individual.net, "Anne
Chambers" <an...@privacy.net> wrote:

> Giusi wrote:
>> I missed the spring
>> possibilities due to a crane sitting on my land.
>>
>>
> of the avian or metal persuasion ?
>
> I had forgotten about swiss chard, must look for last year's seed.
> Thanks :)

I wonder if anyone grows chard in a border? It's so pretty if you grow the
red stemmed one!

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Sacha

Sandy

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May 21, 2008, 9:30:59 AM5/21/08
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I've grown rainbow chard in a mixed border, looks fantastic as a
backdrop to smaller bedding plants!

Tim C.

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May 21, 2008, 9:40:45 AM5/21/08
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We did 2 years ago - around the edge of the veggie patch to hide the weeds.
It is pretty.
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Tim C.

Sacha

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May 21, 2008, 9:47:29 AM5/21/08
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On 21/5/08 14:30, in article g1186k$q08$1...@registered.motzarella.org, "Sandy"
<sand...@coldmail.com> wrote:

Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Bit like growing e.g. Radishes or
carrots (in the right soil).

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Sacha

Sacha

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May 21, 2008, 10:00:34 AM5/21/08
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On 21/5/08 14:40, in article paydev94nnhv.1g...@40tude.net, "Tim
C." <timcha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

And growing those dear little fraises de bois on the edge of flower borders
if fun - nice to nibble on when weeding, if the bugs and birds leave you
any!

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Sacha

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Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 1:03:16 PM5/21/08
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"Anne Chambers" <an...@privacy.net> ha scritto nel messaggio

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> Giusi wrote:
>> I missed the spring
>> possibilities due to a crane sitting on my land.
> of the avian or metal persuasion ?
>
> I had forgotten about swiss chard, must look for last year's seed. Thanks
> :)
>
> --
> Anne Chambers,

Metal and huge. My house was covered in scaffolding for a a year and the
roofers left part of my roof open and went on vacation, at which point the
heavens opened and 400 years of filth poured down on me with the rain. It's
great to be rid of all of that.


Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 1:05:07 PM5/21/08
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"Bertie Doe" <monteb...@ntl.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> "Giusi" < wrote in message
>> What's up?
>>
>> Since I planted plants, of course my tomatoes and celery and parsley are
>> quite visible, although the cool temperatures are preventing a lot of
>> advance.
>>
>> Among the seeded things so far I can see lettuce, swiss chard, radishes
>> and cucumbers. No beans at all yet.
>>
>> The raspberries are looking robust after mulching with 3 year old manure.
>>
>> How's yours?
>>
> On the allotment coming through are : French climbing beans, garden peas
> and potatoes. In the greenhouse ready to plant out soon : perpetual
> spinach, leeks, lettuce, turnips, courgettes, pumpkins and cauliflowers.
> First pair of cucumbers died but second pair are doing fine. My 3 tomatoe
> plants are very slow. Only 1 foot tall and starting to flower already.
> Should I pinch the flowers out?
>
> Bertie

I think my mother would have, but she was in Maine where there was still a
wait for 60 F nights end of May. Here I leave them alone, because starting
June 1, I expect real heat at any moment.


Giusi

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May 21, 2008, 1:06:44 PM5/21/08
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"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio > I wonder if
anyone grows chard in a border? It's so pretty if you grow the
> red stemmed one!
>
> --
> Sacha

I grow many culinary herbs in the garden, which is much closer than the
orto, but I stopped growing vegetables, because I am not always perfectly
organic in the garden.


Bertie Doe

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May 21, 2008, 5:28:56 PM5/21/08
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"Giusi" wrote in message
> "Bertie Doe" < ha scritto nel messaggio

>> First pair of cucumbers died but second pair are doing fine. My 3 tomato

>> plants are very slow. Only 1 foot tall and starting to flower already.
>> Should I pinch the flowers out?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I think my mother would have, but she was in Maine where there was still a
> wait for 60 F nights end of May. Here I leave them alone, because
> starting June 1, I expect real heat at any moment.

Thanks, I suspect the cold nights are the problem. I'll give the tomato
gurus at urg a call.

Bertie


Sacha

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May 21, 2008, 5:37:57 PM5/21/08
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On 21/5/08 18:06, in article 69j359F...@mid.individual.net, "Giusi"
<decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've always had a sneaking affection for Madonna dell'Orto more than any
other representation. But I would like to check something with you. My
understanding - quite possibly wrong - is that an 'orto' is a vegetable
garden and that a 'giardino' is a flower garden, a pleasure garden. Am I so
wrong? I have seen 'orto' translated simply as 'garden' on more than one
occasion. But I'm tolerably sure that my Italian outlaws thought of an orto
as a veg patch. Your msg. above seems to bear me out?


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Sacha

Giusi

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May 22, 2008, 3:42:35 AM5/22/08
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"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On 21/5/08 18:06, in article 69j359F...@mid.individual.net, "Giusi"
> <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio > I wonder
>> if
>> anyone grows chard in a border? It's so pretty if you grow the
>>> red stemmed one!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sacha
>>
>> I grow many culinary herbs in the garden, which is much closer than the
>> orto, but I stopped growing vegetables, because I am not always perfectly
>> organic in the garden.

> My understanding - quite possibly wrong - is that an 'orto' is a vegetable


> garden and that a 'giardino' is a flower garden, a pleasure garden. Am I
> so
> wrong? I have seen 'orto' translated simply as 'garden' on more than one
> occasion. But I'm tolerably sure that my Italian outlaws thought of an
> orto
> as a veg patch. Your msg. above seems to bear me out?
> --
> Sacha

Correct. In truth among ordinary people the garden as a place you can go
into almost doesn't exist. Great estates had them, and many have a strip of
flowers and lots of pots, but my garden and those of the other expats who
garden are objects of curiosity. For that reason there isn't an Italian
style that isn't a bit too formal for our simple country lives and so we do
more or less English gardens and struggle to find plants that will do it in
this climate. I hope my garden looks Italian even though it's really an
adaptation of my American cottage garden.

When I arrived I was shocked to see suburban gardens completely paved over
with holes for some trees and roses, but now I understand. Can't do it, but
I sympathize. This is a weedy country.

This morning I am in the coldest place in Italy other than L'Aquila which is
at the top of the Appenines, This is the second rainiest May of my life
here. My shoulder is destroyed from sawing down a tree yesterday. Che
gioia!

AIR, your antecedent was from western Toscana?


David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)

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May 22, 2008, 3:51:29 AM5/22/08
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Giusi <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In truth among ordinary people the garden as a place you can go
> into almost doesn't exist. Great estates had them,

Indeed, such as the one at Villa d'Este, which Liszt refers to
frequently in his third Années de Pèlerinage.

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Giusi

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May 22, 2008, 4:40:08 AM5/22/08
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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)"

> Indeed, such as the one at Villa d'Este, which Liszt refers to
> frequently in his third Années de Pèlerinage.

Not very many were up to that standard!


David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)

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May 22, 2008, 5:09:45 AM5/22/08
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Giusi <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I bet- certainly inspired Liszt, and for a country that I don't tend to
associate with spectacular gardens, they were certainly worth my own
pilgrimage!

Giusi

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>> Not very many were up to that standard!
>
> I bet- certainly inspired Liszt, and for a country that I don't tend to
> associate with spectacular gardens, they were certainly worth my own
> pilgrimage!
>

There are now many gardens worth seeing, and some are newish done by
foreigners who came here, like Nikki de Ste Phael, whose name I may have
wrecked. I've a friend who lives between me and Rome who has a business
touring the hidden gardens of Italy and she's doing well.


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