food waste
Mike....
who said something along the lines of "that parmesan will have to be thrown
out, its been there a couple of weeks" At least thats what I thought I
heard?
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Mike....
> Some people are obsessed with "best before" dates.
Yes, my MIL is, my parmesan doesnt have a date, but some probably has,
Pepys buried his in the garden during the great fire, bit different!
> I believe many "best before" dates are mainly for marketing because
> some items that last forever still have dates.
Dunno, it may be regs. Gentlemens relish people rant about putting a date
on.
> My wife would through salt away if it had an expired date.
over her shoulder I hope :-)
CP
wrote:
> R4 this am were talking about people wasting food, they interviewed someone
> who said something along the lines of "that parmesan will have to be thrown
> out, its been there a couple of weeks" At least thats what I thought I
> heard?
One of the foundations upon which capitalism rests is wastefulness;
that and in-built obsolescence. If we bought only what we needed, and
didn't waste anything at all, the whole system would collapse like a
house of cards. Of course, it depends how we define both 'need' and
'waste', and since there is no consensus on these definitions, it
ain't likely to happen any time soon.
Personally, I detest the thought of wasting food and, like a good boy,
always clean my plate within an inch of its life.
congokid
Wolstenholme <st...@tropheus.demon.co.uk> writes
>Some people are obsessed with "best before" dates.
>
>I believe many "best before" dates are mainly for marketing because
>some items that last forever still have dates.
One evening last summer I was waiting outside the M&S outlet at Victoria
station and watched as the staff took everything immediately perishable
off the shelves (including sandwiches in packs and freshly squeezed
orange juice) bagged it and left it in a skip outside. They filled
several large bin bags, and that's quite a small outlet. I imagine that
happens almost every day in every single supermarket, large and small,
in every town and city across the UK.
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Mike
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>
> Personally, I detest the thought of wasting food and, like a good boy,
> always clean my plate within an inch of its life.
and having been brought up during the War, even though we were never short
of food, it still sticks not to waste.
Mike
Ophelia
LOL
Ophelia
Disgraceful! What it the betting there is some law against giving it to a
charity to distribute!
Dave
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:25:14 +0100, "Mike...."
> <mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>R4 this am were talking about people wasting food, they interviewed someone
>>who said something along the lines of "that parmesan will have to be thrown
>>out, its been there a couple of weeks" At least thats what I thought I
>>heard?
>
>
> Some people are obsessed with "best before" dates.
There was a tv prog on last night about food packaging and this came up
with display until and eat before dates. They are to be stuck to.
According to the prog, the best before dates can be ignored and
discretion can take over. All 'Best Before' means is that the food will
start to deteriorate slowly and should be edible several week/months
later, but with a drop off in taste.
Another item was canned foods with a use by date. The reckoned that
these could be ignored and used up to 2 years after the can's date. I
don't see why not, as several canned foods have been opened well after
the dates on the can (and even before the dates on a can were the norm)
and the food was found to be fit to eat.
> I believe many "best before" dates are mainly for marketing because
> some items that last forever still have dates.
Agreed :-)
> My wife would through salt away if it had an expired date.
I do throw away dried herbs, as they do lose taste after a while, but I
draw the line at traditional preserving goods like salt and vinegar.
I am a great lover of fresh ground mixed peppers and a couple of years
ago, I put some on my meal and couldn't taste it. It turned out that the
peppercorns were 18 months out of date.
This subject also came up with one of my other drinking companions about
Worcestershire Sauce. I am told that the EU has made the
manufacturers put a life time of 2 years on the bottle, but a bottle
that was over 100 years old was opened and found to be much better than
anything that could be bought now. Sounds like fine wines if you ask me.
My speel chucker gave me the option to ignore EU, does that mean it too
wants a referendum on it?)
Dave
Dave
That is just what happened to it, but I think nu laber saw that one off.
What a nanny state we live in.
Dave
Mike....
> Disgraceful! What it the betting there is some law against giving it to a
> charity to distribute!
there isnt, a lot of it does go that way
Arri London
Don't think there is.
Used to attend dinnertime club meetings at a City church. The sandwich
shop across the street (some multiple or nother) put out transparent
bags of sandwiches on the pavement in front of the shop after closing.
Within minutes a van from one of the charities for the homeless came and
picked it up. Presumably they had a daily route. This was only a few
years ago.
Mike....
>> Disgraceful! What it the betting there is some law against giving it to a
>> charity to distribute!
>
> That is just what happened to it, but I think nu laber saw that one off.
> What a nanny state we live in.
I'm surprise you two didnt blame the EU while you were at it! Do you have
a silly spelling for them too?
I assume you believe the tories (should I spell it torees or something?)
will withdraw the sell by/use by system? Is it a manifesto commitment?
R4 seemed to think people still do food runs with supermarket throw outs,
so I assume they do, no doubt the Mail will say the whole supermarket waste
issue is a labour plot. What a load of bollocks.
Mike....
>R4 seemed to think people still do food runs with supermarket throw outs:-
"FareShare, a charity dedicated to reducing food poverty, is offering
supermarkets, manufacturers and sandwich chains an alternative to using
landfill.
Working with companies such as Sainsburys, Tesco and Waitrose, it currently
takes unsold food to provide meals for about 12,000 homeless and low-income
people every day.
And now it wants to provide a much wider service, charging a fee to get rid
of much larger quantities."
funny how the real world isnt like the Daily Express presents it.
Tim C.
> (should I spell it torees or something?)
I thnk u really ort 2.
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Tim C.
Mike....
>> (should I spell it torees or something?)
>
> I thnk u really ort 2.
Yo its the toreeees man! Bojo* ist your main man in locul govmint, brudder.
Everyfink in the wide wide wurld is a nu laybor plot, innit.
That Blare he tell soopermarkets to throw everyfin away like and that Brown
aint fixed it neever. He 2 busy ****in up the ten per cent taxis, man.
There some orange ***er too, but I dont now 'is monika. Soon Kameron will
be the dude with the pants on the outside like sooperman and you will be
seeing the cuntree zinging, hey!
* "mad blonde toff" as described by a supporter LOL
Mike....
> "mad blonde toff"
my prediction: BoJo will do better as Mayor than in his previous
ministerial appointment, thats official.
congokid
<mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> writes
>Following up to Dave
>> That is just what happened to it, but I think nu laber saw that one off.
>I'm surprise you two didnt blame the EU while you were at it! Do you have
>a silly spelling for them too?
Why not. You've got one for restaurants...
Mike....
>>I'm surprise you two didnt blame the EU while you were at it! Do you have
>>a silly spelling for them too?
>
> Why not. You've got one for restaurants...
very true! Oooropeen you knee on?
Mike....
> One of the foundations upon which capitalism rests is wastefulness;
> that and in-built obsolescence.
and more fundamentally - growth.
Giusi
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Either the rest of the world is nuts or I am. I find some of the things
said just senseless. Most crops come once a year and have always been
consumed for at least the year and often more. As I recall, Joseph made the
Egyptians put food away for 7 years and then it lasted 7 years.
We pay a premium for parmigiano that has been aged longer and then toss it?
Because it is old? We buy Roquefort and look carefully for mold and toss
it?
I pay almost no attention to the dates because I think most of them are
just stupid.
--
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Richard Tobin
Giusi <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>We pay a premium for parmigiano that has been aged longer and then toss it?
>Because it is old?
It depends on the circumstances. Just because it is aged for months
doesn't mean it will last long in your kitchen. Cheese is aged in
carefully controlled conditions in large pieces, often covered in a
rind that is not eaten. A small, cut piece of parmesan that has been
in and out of the fridge, fingered while grating, left by the cooker
for a few hours... is not the same thing at all. For something like
that the use-by date is unimportant compared with how long it has been
open and in what conditions.
-- Richard
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Giusi
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I treat my prized ingredients with more respect than that. I suppose one
could ruin a small piece of it, but most homes in my neighborhood have great
big chunks around.
> --
> :wq
Mike....
> A small, cut piece of parmesan that has been
> in and out of the fridge, fingered while grating, left by the cooker
> for a few hours... is not the same thing at all.
or buried in the garden.....
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Mike:........:
> "that parmesan will have to be thrown
> out, its been there a couple of weeks
the other side of the coin, our council is now telling us to put all food
waste in our compostable bin to avoid putting methane producers in landfill
bin. We cant be the first to do this. How do others find the experience of
meat and fish in an unsealed bin for up to a week? I'm expecting a lot of
flies :-(
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Mike
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The heading here is the secret Mike... "FOOD WASTE". We only cook what we
are going to eat :-)
Vegetable preparations go into the compost bin. Fish tins are washed as are
all tins and put in the dustbin. There should be no waste.
Mike
Giusi
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Are you saying that you eat every part of a fish? Gills, scales, guts and
all? Clam shells? Erg.
Mike
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Pru Leith, many years ago, was advising restaurants on their profitability.
When she was called in, the first thing she looked at was the (or should
that be 'were the'?) dustbins outside. "That is where your profit is going".
What I am talking about is the wasted cooked items which COULD be eaten.
We went into the Hotel business straight after the war and food was scarce.
Rationing was still on. It didn't affect us too much as we had connections,
but nevertheless, we made sure not too much went into the pig bins. If a
spud cost a penny and ended up in the pig bin, that's a penny wasted. That
spud could be on tomorrow's table if it wasn't passed through the peeling
and cooking process first. See what I mean?
Mike
Mike:::::::::
>> Vegetable preparations go into the compost bin. Fish tins are washed as
>> are all tins and put in the dustbin. There should be no waste.
I dont buy my fish in tins for gods sake, they have guts and bones, meat
has bones
> Are you saying that you eat every part of a fish? Gills, scales, guts and
> all? Clam shells? Erg.
I'm wondering what week old fish guts smell like in August. Or prawn
shells.
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> This part of the recycling scheme has been in operation for nearly
> 2 years now and I haven't noticed more flies around the bins than
> before. This rubbish is collected weekly as is all the other recycling.
> The infill waste is only collected fortnightly.
same system, glad to hear it should be OK.
Dave
If I was expected to do this, it would be put in an open carrier bag and
dropped off in the local council office for disposal.
I won't have any wheely bins because of this problem. Or house was
designed, when built, to house an old fashioned round metal bin in a
cupboard close to the front door. Any wheely bin would be exposed to the
summer sun and as a consequence would stink to high heaven. And before
anyone asks, to put it at the back of the house would put it in the
afternoon sun and involve a 200 yard walk.
Dave
Sacha
<dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
If you lived here you would have no choice. Wheelie bins rule and as do
clear plastic bags for tins and clear plastic bottles. It's making me want
to ask the government to bring in trash compactors for every home. I have
no idea at all as to why they're so expensive in this country but I do know
that I'd like to have one! Anyone know of a reasonably priced cruncher?
--
Sacha
Dave
I take it that they are not re-cycled then. What a sorry story.
We re cycle all tins, tinfoils, plastics, glass, newspapers and general
rubbish.
Dave
Dave
> The message <1957ejd9qvgfj.k9hgdgmggqoq$.d...@40tude.net>
> from "Mike:........:" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> contains these words:
> In Bristol we have a separate bin for 'food waste' - well two really.
> A very small one, for use in the kitchen, the contents of which goes
> into to a larger one for collection. If we want we can wrap the 'waste'
> in newspaper. The collection one has a handle that locks the lid so,
> in theory, no animals can get in. I find it works well and newspaper
> keeps the bin/bins fairly clean. So far less mess than when foxes/
> cats/dogs managed to get into the old style dustbins and spread the
> contents all around the road/garden/wherever!
>
> This part of the recycling scheme has been in operation for nearly
> 2 years now and I haven't noticed more flies around the bins than
> before. This rubbish is collected weekly as is all the other recycling.
> The infill waste is only collected fortnightly.
>
> We can have a green wheelie bin for garden rubbish and cardboard,
> this is optional. This bin has to be bought and we have to pay, IIRC,
> 25.00 GBP pa for the collection - collected weekly.
So you pay council tax and a bin tax. You are making it easy for
councils to double charge you for rubbish collections :-(
Dave
Mike
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Paper and Glass yes :-) Black Box fortnightly collection
Rest of the 'rubbish' no :-(
When I was a Parish Councillor I was asked why plastic re-cycling was not
carried out. "Looking into it"
We have a superb re-cycling centre with huge skips for wood, metal, paper,
general rubbish, household bulky items and an area for fridges, deep
freezers, computers and TV. But the best area is the garden waste composting
scheme. Tip your garden waste over the wall. 20 foot drop. Picked up by a
front loader JCB, but a lot bigger, dumped into a huge shredder with the
shredded stuff being shot onto a huge pile under cover. This smokes!!!
Carted away to 'mature' and be sorted/graded then sold on. We compost most
of ours ourselves, but many people don't
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Mike
Mike:::::::::
> It's making me want
> to ask the government to bring in trash compactors for every home.
its sounds to me as if its more green for the truck to crush the refuse
rather than everybody have a little one.
Mike:::::::::
> We re cycle all tins, tinfoils, plastics, glass, newspapers and general
> rubbish.
You re cycle your general rubbish? Thats the breakthrough we have been
waiting for.
Mike:::::::::
> So you pay council tax and a bin tax. You are making it easy for
> councils to double charge you for rubbish collections :-(
Its not unusual or *necessarily* unfair to have a general tax with
additional charges for what are considered excessive or high use.
Anne Chambers
> Following up to Dave
>
>> We re cycle all tins, tinfoils, plastics, glass, newspapers and general
>> rubbish.
>
> You re cycle your general rubbish? Thats the breakthrough we have been
> waiting for.
Do they have a special bin for used politicians ?
--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
Dave
> Following up to Dave
>
>
>>So you pay council tax and a bin tax. You are making it easy for
>>councils to double charge you for rubbish collections :-(
All I want my council to do, is empty my bin and sweep the streets. All
the rest should be funded by central government instead of being off
loaded to local gov and not funded by central gov. This can then be
funded by taxation depending on what you earn.
> Its not unusual or *necessarily* unfair to have a general tax with
> additional charges for what are considered excessive or high use.
I take it, that you have an income from some business. Most, if not all
pensioners don't. We see pensioners see nothing but increasing costs.
The rates of this government's rises in the cost of living they call the
retail price index. Remember, this includes plasma TVs that have been
dropping in price and skewing the retail price index level down to a
very low index. Just how many plasma TVs do you buy in a year/ ten years?.
Food, clothing and some luxuries are now deemed unnecessary
Are you including the vast over charging of the fuel tax here? It is
putting all the essentials of food and other things we depend on by road
and transport well above the level of this so called inflation that the
government use. I experienced my first case of fuel theft today. It was
from a demolishition company and was done by someone who was looking
after his mother with a diesel car.
Put together a letter asking your local council of the number of council
job titles and ask them how many members work on that department.
Analyse this and then ask them what authority they created those jobs.
Analyse the reply very carefully and then...
Then ask why they employ those people in that job category. Why do we
need our=treach workers ??
Every time a council decides to do something. they need an authority.
When they get this authority, they need another to move forwards. Look
into this, you might be surprised.
Dave
Christina Websell
"Mike:::::::::" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
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A bit better than fortnight old ones. In my part of the country our wheelie
bins for non-recyclable stuff is only picked up every two weeks - the week
in between they collect the recycled stuff.
In the summer last year I pushed my wheelie bin to the front of the property
for collection with literally hundreds of maggots dropping off it.
Mike.::::::::
>>>So you pay council tax and a bin tax. You are making it easy for
>>>councils to double charge you for rubbish collections :-(
>
> All I want my council to do, is empty my bin and sweep the streets.
councils do a bit more than that, education, police etc etc
>All the rest should be funded by central government instead of being off
> loaded to local gov and not funded by central gov. This can then be
> funded by taxation depending on what you earn.
thats taken care of by what was the rate support grant, trouble is it keeps
going down, thats the issue for you. You dont want to transfer the control
of things to some amateur remote civil servant in Whitehall without a clue.
That or local income tax.
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Mike.::::::::
>> I'm wondering what week old fish guts smell like in August. Or prawn
>> shells.
>
> A bit better than fortnight old ones. In my part of the country our wheelie
> bins for non-recyclable stuff is only picked up every two weeks - the week
> in between they collect the recycled stuff.
> In the summer last year I pushed my wheelie bin to the front of the property
> for collection with literally hundreds of maggots dropping off it.
this week is the first week ive put meat and fish in the compost bin (i
used t only put veg in) it stinks already and its been cold......
Mike.::::::::
> Then you must be allowing flies access to the rubbish, to lay eggs to
> hatch into maggots. You could easily avoid that, by shutting the lid,
easily? If you open it to put stuff in, a fly can get in.
Mike.::::::::
>> easily? If you open it to put stuff in, a fly can get in.
>
> I'm too quick for them. There are no flies on me :-)
nice one! My expereince is that if a container has rotten meat in it flies
hang around it. I suspect the waste pet food wil sometimes already have
eggs laid on it. We will see but i suspect its going to be a smelly fly
blown system?
congokid
"Mike.::::::::" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> writes
>this week is the first week ive put meat and fish in the compost bin (i
>used t only put veg in) it stinks already and its been cold......
I've always understood one didn't add meat scraps to compost as they
might encourage rats - are there sources that say one can?
I found this:
<http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicgardening/compost_pf.php>
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Mike.::::::::
> I've always understood one didn't add meat scraps to compost as they
> might encourage rats - are there sources that say one can?
i dont do so on my allotment, but this is the council collection, they say
all food waste.
Christina Websell
"Mike.::::::::" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Following up to Janet Baraclough
>
>> Then you must be allowing flies access to the rubbish, to lay eggs to
>> hatch into maggots. You could easily avoid that, by shutting the lid,
Oh, the lid is shut - if the lid is slightly open, like too much in they
won't collect it.
I refused to let my neighbours put used disposable nappies in my almost
empty bin when theirs was full of them. I told them to use terries, and
wash them ..
Didn't go down too well.
Christina Websell
"Mike.::::::::" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Following up to Janet Baraclough
>
>> Then you must be allowing flies access to the rubbish, to lay eggs to
>> hatch into maggots. You could easily avoid that, by shutting the lid,
>
> easily? If you open it to put stuff in, a fly can get in.
> --
>
didn't spot it!
My bad, as they say in America.
Dave
> Following up to Dave
>
>
>>>>So you pay council tax and a bin tax. You are making it easy for
>>>>councils to double charge you for rubbish collections :-(
>>
>>All I want my council to do, is empty my bin and sweep the streets.
>
>
> councils do a bit more than that, education, police etc etc
I am well aware of that by getting myself involved with an area close to
me. I get to talk to local gov. that tell me tales of waste by County
gov and vice versa.
And outreach workers, co-ordinators of all types, or social workers that
I would not give the time of day to. When I had the job of site
supervisor, at a school, I could spot a social worker a mile off, Spotty
young things with their nose in the air clutching at what I suppose they
thought were impressive documents. They were far too young to know about
any problem of bringing up a normal family, let alone a family with
problem children. How many times have children slipped through their
nets now?
Education is paid for by county and they are the worst at wasting our money.
Police seem to think that they can dream of a figure to steal from us
and we have to pay up for a service that we just don't get anymore. Even
our 2 PCSO's have not been seen in weeks. They also pick and choose what
crimes they take an interest in. In a recent report, one constabulary
has declared that vandalism of a car's windows does not constitute a
crime if nothing is touched in the car.
>>All the rest should be funded by central government instead of being off
>>loaded to local gov and not funded by central gov. This can then be
>>funded by taxation depending on what you earn.
>
>
> thats taken care of by what was the rate support grant, trouble is it keeps
> going down, thats the issue for you.
As is the state pension when I come to draw it. This is increased by a
rate of inflation that has a huge fiddle factor in it. Plasma TV's are
included in the calculation and because they have come down in price, so
has the rate on inflation. Do I buy one of those every week? No!!!
Anyone know of a site that reflects the true rate of inflation that the
low paid are subjected to? I would be interested to know when I have
meetings with politicians that quote from the fiddle factor one.
Rant over :-)
Dave
Mike.::::::::
> My bin never has rotten meat in it that flies could get to; the most
> meat it ever has is the boiled and picked-clean dismantled skeleton of
> a chicken, sealed in a plastic bag.
your'e not allowed to use plastic bags.
this is for *all* methane producing food waste, meat doesnt have to be
"rotten" to attract egg laying flies.
Mike.::::::::
>> easily? If you open it to put stuff in, a fly can get in.
>> --
>>
> Exactly. I must have opened the lid one day and a blooffy fly got in and I
> didn't spot it!
my guess it will happen every few weeks, I notice the indoor "transit" bin
attracts any fly that comes into the house.
Mike.::::::::
> I refused to let my neighbours put used disposable nappies in my almost
> empty bin when theirs was full of them. I told them to use terries, and
> wash them ..
in Greenwich they have to go in a special orange sack that shouts "these
people are iiresponsible!"
Anne Chambers
> Following up to Janet Baraclough
>
>> My bin never has rotten meat in it that flies could get to; the most
>> meat it ever has is the boiled and picked-clean dismantled skeleton of
>> a chicken, sealed in a plastic bag.
>
> your'e not allowed to use plastic bags.
>
> this is for *all* methane producing food waste, meat doesnt have to be
> "rotten" to attract egg laying flies.
Can you not freeze the stuff that you're going to put in that bin and
then chuck it out of the plastic bags, frozen, on collection day ? A
hassle, I know, but preferable to a maggotty bin.
Mike.::::::::
> Can you not freeze the stuff that you're going to put in that bin and
> then chuck it out of the plastic bags, frozen, on collection day ? A
> hassle, I know, but preferable to a maggotty bin.
innovative idea but we dont have the space.
Mike.::::::::
> They were far too young to know about
> any problem of bringing up a normal family, let alone a family with
> problem children. How many times have children slipped through their
> nets now?
I must say I'm often unimpressed by the "profession" of social worker,
however to be fair they get all the crap to deal with and tend to be damned
for both over reaction and inaction.
congokid
<mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> writes
>Following up to congokid
>
>> I've always understood one didn't add meat scraps to compost as they
>> might encourage rats - are there sources that say one can?
>
>i dont do so on my allotment, but this is the council collection, they say
>all food waste.
My local council distributes special plastic bags for garden waste,
which goes to compost. Printed on them is a warning not to put any
kitchen food waste in, including cooked vegetables and peelings.
The bags are biodegradable and up to last year were free, but now we
have to order them in advance and pay UKP7.25 for the first 50 (and the
same for the next 25). I've ordered some, but it's taking a long time
and the garden waste I gathered last weekend is in danger of rotting the
bags I had left over from last year.
Mike.::::::::
>>i dont do so on my allotment, but this is the council collection, they say
>>all food waste.
>
> My local council distributes special plastic bags for garden waste,
> which goes to compost. Printed on them is a warning not to put any
> kitchen food waste in, including cooked vegetables and peelings.
that was the old system here. Its all changing with the Europe wide move to
avoiding land fill. I dont know anything about the processing, but soon you
will be expected to recycle almost everything, including all raw and cooked
fish and meat waste, not just traditional compostables.
CP
wrote:
> In this house, all food waste that isn't meat ends up as dog food, bird
> food, or in my own compost system.
I remember that when I was very young we had a 'pig bin' attached to
one of the outside walls of our house into which all peelings and
scraps were put. These were emptied once a week IIRC and taken to the
farm at the back of our house.
Sandy
> Following up to Mike....
>
>> "that parmesan will have to be thrown
>> out, its been there a couple of weeks
>
> the other side of the coin, our council is now telling us to put all food
> waste in our compostable bin to avoid putting methane producers in landfill
> bin. We cant be the first to do this. How do others find the experience of
> meat and fish in an unsealed bin for up to a week? I'm expecting a lot of
> flies :-(
Have they not provided you with a special "food waste" bin?
Ophelia
Delightfully called 'pig swill'. They are illegal now.
Sacha
<Oph...@nix.co.uk> wrote:
Was that before or after the last f&m outbreak? I have a feeling that had
something to do with it.
--
Sacha
Mike.::::::::
>> your'e not allowed to use plastic bags.
>
> Yes, I am. In our collection system all plastic bags (including,
> recycled plastic bags, and biodegradeable cornstarch "plastic" bags),
> and waste meat, go in the "non-recyclable" bin whose contents are
> heading for landfill. Bags aren't allowed in the plastic recycling bin.
in the revised systems here, waste meat goes to recycle, not landfill.
> YMMV
>
>> this is for *all* methane producing food waste, meat doesnt have to be
>> "rotten" to attract egg laying flies.
>
> In this house, all food waste that isn't meat ends up as dog food, bird
> food, or in my own compost system.
>
> If your council is permitting meat waste into a collection intended
> for municipal compost, that would be rather surprising because animal
> health regulations make it so difficult to legally disperse the
> resulting product. ( IIRC the impossibility of excluding meat waste
> from vegetable waste, was the reason councils in Scotland stopped making
> municipal compost but I need to check that out)
I dont know, but its general in the new systems. It surprised me.
Mike.::::::::
> Was that before or after the last f&m outbreak? I have a feeling that had
> something to do with it.
you mean i shouldnt throw my sweet and sour pork takeaway to the pigs i
pass while walking? :-)
Mike.::::::::
> Have they not provided you with a special "food waste" bin?
Yes, nothing about it will stop things rotting/smelling etc
Ophelia
I believe so.
CP
wrote:
> you mean i shouldnt throw my sweet and sour pork takeaway to the pigs i
> pass while walking? :-)
If they like Chinese food, why not? After all, police can get mighty
hungry out there on the beat! ;-)
*battens down the hatches in readiness for flurry of outraged posts
defending our valiant police force*
(Only joking, by the way. I have known a lot of policemen in my time
and most do a cracking job)
Sacha
"Mike.::::::::" <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
> Following up to Sacha
>
>> Was that before or after the last f&m outbreak? I have a feeling that had
>> something to do with it.
>
> you mean i shouldnt throw my sweet and sour pork takeaway to the pigs i
> pass while walking? :-)
That comes under the law of Adding Insult to Injury!
--
Sacha
Mike.::::::::
>> Yes, nothing about it will stop things rotting/smelling etc
>
> Don't you make it into compost at/for your allotment?
i compost at the allotment too, but only with veg waste and not all of it,
all my bins are full at the moment.
Dave
> Following up to Dave
>
>
>>They were far too young to know about
>>any problem of bringing up a normal family, let alone a family with
>>problem children. How many times have children slipped through their
>>nets now?
>
>
> I must say I'm often unimpressed by the "profession" of social worker,
> however to be fair they get all the crap to deal with and tend to be damned
> for both over reaction and inaction.
That is only because they have been trained by older social workers that
have made the same mistakes. All they do is take a gut reaction, instead
of studying what could go wrong after their actions.
When I spoke to the head of the school I worked at, about them, she just
rolled her eyes and said nothing verbally. Mind you, she was a _very_
down to earth head teacher. So good that she had to be seconded to turn
around a failing school in Skelmersdale for the best part of 12 months.
Dave
Dave
> In article <1lrl9sltpsogo$.dste7phy...@40tude.net>, "Mike.::::::::"
> <mikemc...@freedomnames.co.uk> writes
>
>> Following up to congokid
>>
>>> I've always understood one didn't add meat scraps to compost as they
>>> might encourage rats - are there sources that say one can?
>>
>>
>> i dont do so on my allotment, but this is the council collection, they
>> say
>> all food waste.
>
>
> My local council distributes special plastic bags for garden waste,
> which goes to compost. Printed on them is a warning not to put any
> kitchen food waste in, including cooked vegetables and peelings.
If you get a wormery, you can put all kitchen scraps in it and the tiger
worms will make it into a very good compost for the garden.
> The bags are biodegradable and up to last year were free, but now we
> have to order them in advance and pay UKP7.25 for the first 50 (and the
> same for the next 25). I've ordered some, but it's taking a long time
> and the garden waste I gathered last weekend is in danger of rotting the
> bags I had left over from last year.
I can never understand why any garden waste is not composted on site, it
too makes a very good food for the ground.
When we had roses, I used to shred the prunings and use them as a mulch
for the rose beds. (We are now moving on to a very low maintenance
garden, so we wont need a shedder for much longer.
Dave
Mike.::::::::
> I can never understand why any garden waste is not composted on site, it
> too makes a very good food for the ground.
It does, although I dont bother with compost in the garden, its all shrubs
and grass, any fertilisation would only encourage growth and more work! :-)